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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: rastalant on May 31, 2001, 07:56:02 PM
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Lucasarts ported over starfighter to xbox.... and look at the results.. Remember this was ps2 code that was ported over to the xbox, and the ps2 version was optimised fully for the ps2. If you have any doubts of the xbox\'s power in comparison to the ps2... this interview should put all those doubts to rest.
LucasArts has relaunched the official Star Wars Starfighter: Special Edition site with a cool new design to promote the Xbox game with new levels and features and enhanced graphics to get you flying in 3D vehicles set in the fictional worlds of Star Wars. And the promotion seems to be working because GameSpot Australia has an interview with produce Reeve Thompson. As with the original PS2 version, the game will feature three main characters: the rookie fighter pilot Rhys Dallows, the mercenary Vana Sage, and the interstellar pirate leader Nym. Various 3D vehicles, including the Naboo starfighter will also be implemented. The upgrade will have five new bonus missions, enhanced graphics, and an improved two-player mode.
GS: Are you going to take advantage of the Xbox self shadowing and other hardware effects?
RT: Absolutely. Well when we brought over the code we instantly got a huge boost in performance. Right out of the gate, we got boost. Also with the Xbox we have twice as much memory to work with. And Starfighter has always been acclaimed when it comes to detail of the terrain, and also of the ships themselves. Now, we can go from 128x128 to 256x256 textures. That\'s quadrupling the detail. So we\'re going to do that. So all the people who\'ve seen Starfighter, and think it looks great, just wait until you see the Xbox version.
GS: Four times better?
RT: Well it\'s definitely going to be a lot better. Technically, we\'ll have four times the information in certain areas but um, yeah. It\'s gonna look awesome.
Link
http://www.zdnet.com.au/gamespot...382,00.htm
Interesting info
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Good to hear. I still h8 LA\'s.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Good to hear. I still h8 LA\'s.
LA does suck!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On a side note, I really do not think Lucas Arts got close to all of the PS2\'s power tapped when they made starfighter.
but naturally expected improvements with the Xbox version. Textures being one of the improvements
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Originally posted by ddaryl
On a side note, I really do not think Lucas Arts got close to all of the PS2\'s power tapped when they made starfighter.
but naturally expected improvements with the Xbox version. Textures being one of the improvements
The real test is seeing if Konami(or Hideo) could push MGS2 to new heights using the X0Box.
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I agree with ddaryl. Starfighter may have been "fully optimised" for the PS2 hardware.. but it did not, in anyway, take full advantage of the PS2\'s power. I would have thought that would have been easy to see when you consider all the games comming out in the next few months that look worlds better than SF.
I also gotta disagree that LucasArts sucks. Granted, they lean WAYYYYY to heavily on their Starwars franchises, and expected anything with the words "Jedi" Or "Empire Strikes Back" to sell.. no matter how crappy the product. However, they do make a lot of great games outside of the Starwars vein. Take Monkey Island, Loom, Grim Fandago, Manic Mansion, and the Indiana Jones games for example. Yes, those are all adventures.. but it really shows what LucasArts is capable of when their not just leaning on a wildly popular licences to sell digitalized crap for a quick profit.
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I heard that the XBox is supposed to be 10 times as powerful as the PS2....WOW
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riiiiight...so their game was fully optimised for the PS2 was it...i see...somehow, i dont believe that fully...i hardly think this is \'confirmation\'
and on a side note, X-Box would ****ing well want to be way more powerful than the PS2, its being released almost two years after it
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xbox is easily 2-3 times more powerfull than ps2 in terms of graphics, but in terms of games it needs to catch up quite a bit
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
xbox is easily 2-3 times more powerfull than ps2 in terms of graphics, but in terms of games it needs to catch up quite a bit
That is very well debatable seeing how there are only a handful of AAA titles on ps2. I.e MGS2, ffx, gt3......and maybe tekken.
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What looks better? Half Life on a P3 900Mhz and GeForce2 or on a P5 2000Mhz and GeForce4? There is no difference. I mean that the power is not important but the games, which try to use the power of a console. Who knows, maybe the best-looking PS2 game will look better than the best-looking XBOX game.
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Originally posted by XBOX
That is very well debatable seeing how there are only a handful of AAA titles on ps2. I.e MGS2, ffx, gt3......and maybe tekken.
a hand full?? The only real AAA exclusive title I can see on xbox are Halo, munch, doa3 and Unreal champions. the rest all wait and see
ps2 has
MGS2
Onimusha (2)
Devil may Cry
The getaway
Tekken 4
Soul calibur 2
FFX
FFXI
Xenosaga
Virtua fighter 4
GT3
WipeOut Fusion
Resident evil 4 (and a DC port of CV)
and some hidden titles (sega!)
thats more than xbox!
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Ah yes, SROKE, a peice of software can only perform within the limits of its design, irrespective of the hardware that it\'s running on. While HalfLife may look the same on your P5-2GHZ (2GHZ? purdy slow for a P5) as it would your P3-900MHZ, other games designed to utlise the power of the GeForce4 and the P5 will look a helluva lot better.
By mentioning hardware utilisation, you have raised the subject of the accessability of power, better known as developer friendlyness. This is something that the PS2 lacks, in the most relative of terms. We\'ve seen this fact manifest itself in the form of Jagtastic Japanese Launch games and now the unofficial complaints concearning the archaic nature of Vector Unit Optimisations. (Square, FFX-Delays, etc. etc.)
Credit must be given to Sony for improving things since the days of "hard coding" and the non-existance of high level PS2 libraries. However, dispite what is (assumed) officially described as Sony\'s best efforts, the Xbox\'s accessability in this respect, by far eclipses the PS2. One is hard pressed to legitimately argue the contrary.
This of course has very major implications. Afteral, developers are faced with two consoles, with one having formidable advantages in both fields of technical capability and the accessability of said aspect. Bar any major unexpected "twists", these two Xbox advantages will ultimatley outweigh the PS2\'s current popularity, as the PSX did the Saturn. (although not in as dramatic a fasion)
Simplified Version of above:
Xbox Power > PS2 Power
(this includes the widespread utlisation of the Xbox\'s HDD)
Xbox Developer Friendlyness > PS2 Develper Freindlyness
Xbox Game Quality > PS2 Game Quality
Given Time:
Xbox Fanbase > PS2 Fanbase
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Though this might be my qualified prediction of things to come, it is non-the-less, just a prediction. Don\'t get too worked up by something that might not happen at all. In short, please don\'t flame.
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sure, the x box is more powerful, but the games are what counts.
psx beat the crap out of n64,
so this arguement is flawed.
no one knows what the ps2 can really do, and noone knows what the x box can do! its not even out yet!
dont be a fanboy raslant,
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L.A. sucks!
They cant program PS2..
Look at FFX, DMC, GT3, MGS2 and JaD instead..
Btw I think Dropship looks waay better than SWSF!
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Well the only thing i can say is that Xbox and PS2 are both lacking triple A titles becuase you really can\'t base your opinion on a game that has not even had any screens released on it yet or any info at all...ala...Xenosaga...RE4...Soul Caliber2...Tekken4...etc.
if you haven\'t played the game - then i would not get it in your head that it will DEFINTELY be awesome or you are setting yourself up for Possible disappointment - the same goes for Xbox and GC
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Originally posted by fastson
Btw I think Dropship looks waay better than SWSF!
I totally spaced out Dropship. It looks a bit PCish (For those who care. I have no problem with crisp graphics) but tons of fun.
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xbox is easily 2-3 times more powerfull than ps2 in terms of graphics, but in terms of games it needs to catch up quite a bit
pfft...X-Box hasnt proven that yet either...judging by what ive seen so far, X-Box may be about 5 - 10% more powerful than the PS2 graphics wise
I know X-Box will get a lot better soon, as will the PS2...but if your expecting your X-Box games to completely blow away PS2 games, your gonna be sadly mistaken
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xbox is easily 2-3 times more powerfull than ps2 in terms of graphics
If you think (from what we\'ve seen) that the x-box looks 2-3x better than the PS2, then I feel bad for you.
Not a flame against the x-box, I think it looks great. Not 2-3x better than the PS2 tho.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by datamage
If you think (from what we\'ve seen) that the x-box looks 2-3x better than the PS2, then I feel bad for you.
Not a flame against the x-box, I think it looks great. Not 2-3x better than the PS2 tho.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
I reccomend you watching the lates HALO movies or go over to msxbox to see some new Doa3 screens, they look far sharper (no jaggies) and detailed than ps2 will ever be! And tekken 4 & Sc2 will ne a AAA title for me no mater what :)
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The game above you will never see on the xbox..
not only that, it looks awsome...
not only that, its a prequal to one of my favorite rpgs..
not ONLY THAT.. its on the ps2
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Originally posted by Chrono
I think I shall say this
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Think of something else quick, that\'s not too impressive...
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"Currently, Koei claims that it can get performance out of the Xbox only equal to the PS2; it attributes this to its inexperience in working with the machine, so perhaps we can expect more as the titles approach completion."
link : http://ps2.ign.com/news/35392.html
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Oh yes! Koei! Bringers of Winback, Kessen and other subpar crap. I\'m less impressed with them than LucasArts...
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Games by Koei
Angelique Trois
Dynasty Warriors 2
Dynasty Warriors 3
GI Jockey 2001
Gitaroo-Man
Kessen II
Kessen III
Romance of the Three Kingdoms VII
Winback
Yanya Caballista Featuring Gawoo
Why did you leave out Dynasty Warriors?
afriad its a good game?
I don\'t debate with you ethugg cause you are too stuborn, I have no fear of the xbox anymore, e3 showed me many things, and many of my predictions were right. The most imporant thing E3 showed me, MS has next to no japaneese support, ensuring their failure in japan. USA software DOES NOT sell in japan.. look at sales of THPS. Especially support from japan on exclusives... I count 2 right now, DOA3 and Dino Crisis 3.. think the japaneese will buy this console for only 2 games?
Japaneese want RPG\'s, Xenosaga, FFX are enough to sell millions of systems.. the xbox has no real system seller for japan.. and it also looks like the xbox won\'t be launching outside the USA this year either....
I\'m not afraid of the xbox, nobody is.
I no longer need to defend the ps2, cause its future is 100% certain.. so why should I bother with a stuburn person such as yourself, that can\'t see the light at the end of the tunnell and the writing on the wall
Well anyway, i\'m going back to play darkcloud now.. goodnight
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EThugg says:
Oh yes! Koei! Bringers of Winback, Kessen and other subpar crap. I\'m less impressed with them than LucasArts...
subpar games on ps2 --- subpar games on XBox...either way, they are still only get the same level of performance, even on the ultra easy to develope for, ultra powerful X-Box
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
I reccomend you watching the lates HALO movies or go over to msxbox to see some new Doa3 screens, they look far sharper (no jaggies) and detailed than ps2 will ever be! And tekken 4 & Sc2 will ne a AAA title for me no mater what :)
will ever be? take a step back, youre going to far. the x box looks only marginally better than the ps2 so far.
dont get youre hopes up.
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will ever be? take a step back, youre going to far. the x box looks only marginally better than the ps2 so far.
dont get youre hopes up.
We will see my friend we will se!!!
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I reccomend you watching the lates HALO movies or go over to msxbox to see some new Doa3 screens, they look far sharper (no jaggies) and detailed than ps2 will ever be! And tekken 4 & Sc2 will ne a AAA title for me no mater what
If those graphics to you look 2-3x better than the PS2, then you have extremely low-standards.
Better textures and less aliasing does not equate to 2-3x better. Believe what you will. And btw, the unstable framerates of Halo really do impress me. :rolleyes:
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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LA said that the xbox has twice as much memory as the PS2. This says to me that they dont know how to use the PS2.
The PS2 uses streaming for it\'s textures so you dont need much memory. Dont get me wrong. I\'m not saying the xbox isnt more powerful than the PS2, I just dont think LA are using the PS2 the way it is supposed to be used.
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tehy\'re not talking vram here, but (I think) main ram, of which ps2 has 32 and xbox has 64, but the xbox has to use those 64 for multiple purposes, so I don\'t think 2x more ram is the right thing to say
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
a hand full?? The only real AAA exclusive title I can see on xbox are Halo, munch, doa3 and Unreal champions. the rest all wait and see
ps2 has
MGS2
Onimusha (2)
Devil may Cry
The getaway
Tekken 4
Soul calibur 2
FFX
FFXI
Xenosaga
Virtua fighter 4
GT3
WipeOut Fusion
Resident evil 4 (and a DC port of CV)
and some hidden titles (sega!)
thats more than xbox!
Maybe you don\'t know what a AAA title is? A triple A title is a game that you know just buy it\'s name that is one of the best games you will ever get on that game system. Besides SC, gt, RE, tEKKEN, ffx and mgs. You can\'t name those others has AAA titles because you have not even yet to play any of those games. You have no idea how the game play is and how the games actually feel. And there is no way for me to know what AAA titles will be on xbox except doa3 the name alone guarantee\'s a awesome fighter. So until you know don\'t speculate what will be a killer and what will not because you don\'t know.
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We will see which console is the best.
PS: PS2 RULEZ!!!!!!!!!
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This thread has gotten pretty long so I\'ll just take the "random thought" route.
1: I think that the new PS2 Alien game in development looks very close to the indoor levels in Halo.
2: IMO, RE4 does not count as a AAA title.
3: Halo\'s frame rate issues should be played down until we see it on final hardware.
4: I don\'t believe that LA got anywhere near the full power of the PS2 and so it makes their Xbox comments moot. If the team has worked on PC titles before then they have an advantage on the Xbox.
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Originally posted by ho3j
This thread has gotten pretty long so I\'ll just take the "random thought" route.
1: I think that the new PS2 Alien game in development looks very close to the indoor levels in Halo.
2: IMO, RE4 does not count as a AAA title.
3: Halo\'s frame rate issues should be played down until we see it on final hardware.
4: I don\'t believe that LA got anywhere near the full power of the PS2 and so it makes their Xbox comments moot. If the team has worked on PC titles before then they have an advantage on the Xbox.
Those alien shots are fake, they look far to good to be ingame
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
Those alien shots are fake, they look far to good to be ingame
seen the video?
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
Those alien shots are fake, they look far to good to be ingame
I was going by the movie. I just cleared my history but you can find the link in the main forum.
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One question.
How does RE4 not classify as an "AAA" title? It is a huge franchise that is always great.
Then again, I am a \'Capcom Whore\' so I have to say that.. Its in my contract.
:D
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
One question.
How does RE4 not classify as an "AAA" title? It is a huge franchise that is always great.
Then again, I am a \'Capcom Whore\' so I have to say that.. Its in my contract.
:D
lol :) Fair enough, but sales aside, I think any series that has been milked as much as RE can no longer count as AAA.
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Originally posted by Chrono
Games by Koei
Angelique Trois
Dynasty Warriors 2
Dynasty Warriors 3
GI Jockey 2001
Gitaroo-Man
Kessen II
Kessen III
Romance of the Three Kingdoms VII
Winback
Yanya Caballista Featuring Gawoo
Why did you leave out Dynasty Warriors?
afriad its a good game?
DW was ok. And so was Winback. Everything else you listed is ****. And 2 \'ok\' games don\'t make Koei credible.
The rest of your fanboyish rant wasn\'t quoted, as I fear anyone who reads it will be instantly dumber. But obviously Sony and Nintendo\'s very unproffesional public statements about XB prove they\'re scared.
Bob- No doubt. I\'m not excited about their crap on any console, not even XB.
datamage- Funny how everyones dissing Halo. I saw the video of the HALF DONE game on INCOMPLETE hardware, and I was plenty impressed. It looked great for a FPS (a rather shallow genre to begin with).
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Why is Ethugg still allowed on this forum?
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Whoa!!!!!! Is this the real futami I did not know you posted here its good to have you hear.