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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Coredweller on June 03, 2001, 07:38:10 PM
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Is anyone here using a rear projection television with their PS2? What\'s your experience? Did you run into any special problems?
I\'m considering a new purchase, and I believe it will be either the Toshiba 56H80 or 65H80. http://www.toshiba.com/tacp/tv/projection.html Both are 16:9 aspect ratio rear projection models that offer 480i, 480p, and 1080i modes.
Most 16:9 televisions like these can display 4:3 images (regular television aspect ratio) either by (1) centering the image and drawing vertical grey bands on the left and right of the display, or (2) compressing the image vertically, so that it takes up the entire horizontal area of the display. RP televisions are more suseptable to burn-in than ordinary televisions, so many people recommend that the 4:3 mode with grey bands not be used, even for short periods of time. This would apply to signals displayed from the PS2 as well, so I\'m wondering if anyone has tried playing a game in the vertically compressed mode on a 16:9 television. Did you find it annoying? I\'ve been observing RPTVs at retail stores running in this mode, and it really seems that one could get used to this compressed mode for television programs without much difficulty. Maybe PS2 games would be the same, but somehow I don\'t think so.
Are you happy with the results from connecting the PS2 component video cable to an RPTV? I will probably be using a dedicated progressive scan DVD player with this television rather than the PS2, but if you\'re using the PS2 for DVD playback, what are your thoughts? I found the PS2\'s sound reproduction on DVDs to be inferior to my dedicated DVD player, but the video was more or less indistinguishable through a composite cable. Has anyone compared the PS2 DVD playback to another DVD player through component video cables?
Sorry to ask so many questions, but if you\'ve had an experience with this feel free to answer as much or as little as you want. Thank you!
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wasnt there some problem about it burning images into it?
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Originally posted by ps2gamer_59
wasnt there some problem about it burning images into it?
Yes. I think in every console manual there is the warning that it can destroy the projection TV.
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The problem with the \'Burn in\' statement if for older video games that has one thing on the screen for a long time, and I mean a long time....
For example if there is a logo in the left hand corner of the screen on a video game and you play that game for a good 12 hours a day everyday, then your going to burn your screen. I have a rear projection HDTV 16:9 TV, (ps2 optimizes for 16:9 too!!!) and its fine, actually its awesome..
Videoholic will back me up on this, there is nothing to worry about... Just remeber that it \'Can\' happen if your not smart, have no life, and play the same game for 23 hours out of the day.... You will be fine...
And about the dedicated DVD player.. The PS2 does an excellent job of DVD playback.. I use an aftermarket component video cable and it looks great.. But the fact is I am in the market for a progressive DVD player. I am looking at a Toshiba right now.. An aftermarket DVD player will be superior to the PS2. Escp. if its progressive playback
I recommend the Mitsubishi, but everyone has there own tastes..
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Thanks for your reply Kirath. When you said you recommend the Mitsubishi, were you talking about a Mitsu projection television? I know that is the other big brand often favored by enthusiasts. Whenever I\'ve seen one in a store, I felt the screen was way too reflective for my taste. In addition, I\'ve notice there is a comparatively huge amount of info on the Internet about calibrating/tweaking the Toshiba units, so that\'s sort of why I am leaning toward Toshiba. What make and model do you have?
You are correct about the game image itself not burning in a projection display so long as it doesn\'t remain completely stationary. I think you could still get uneven burning if you display any game or video in the 4:3 simulation mode with grey bars on the left and right. Do you display PS2 games in the "squashed" 16:9 mode? Is it annoying to you? Do any PS2 games you\'re aware of take advantage of the full screen area on a 16:9 set while maintaining correct aspect ratio? I heard Madden 2002 was supposed to do this.
Thanks for the input. I\'m really looking forward to completing this display upgrade before TM:B and GT3 are released.
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When you said you recommend the Mitsubishi, were you talking about a Mitsu projection television?
Yeah the mitsubishi TV\'s are really nice, they have great picture and there is a lot of information out there about tweaking them out..
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Do you display PS2 games in the "squashed" 16:9 mode?
The PS2 has an option in the menu to set it for 16:9, its looks good on every PS2 game that I have played. PS1 games don\'t look so good in 16:9 mode though.
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Don\'t worry about the gray bars on the side, they will not burn in.. Burn in is really something of the past, with older TV models. I have not heard of a burnt screen in a long time. And there is nothing in my documentation about not using game systems on this TV. I have the Mitsubishi 46\' 16x9 The Ps2 looks absolutely awesome on this TV. I love 16x9, some people don\'t. Thats why we all have a choice I suppose.
Anything else, just go ahead and shoot.. :eyemouth:
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Originally posted by kirath
it \'Can\' happen if your not smart, have no life, and play the same game for 23 hours out of the day.
Looks like no projection TV for me. :(
LOL, just kidding......
(I WISH I was kidding :crying: )
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The grey bars do not cause burn in. They are to Prevent burn in...... I have full hi-def and I have to run the grey bars myself. Don\'t compress and fill the screen.. It looks stupid.
Kirath was right when he said that that was the old time RPTVs. New ones aren\'t going to have a prob. You have to play the same game for a VERY long time to get burnin. I wouldn\'t think twice about it. And I haven\'t. I\'ve been doing it for years now.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
The grey bars do not cause burn in. They are to Prevent burn in...... I have full hi-def and I have to run the grey bars myself. Don\'t compress and fill the screen.. It looks stupid.
Videoholic: I won\'t disagree with you because I don\'t even have a projection TV yet, so what do I know? Others however seem to be undecided. Take a look at this thread from the AVS Forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/010332.html
Some people report no burn-in with grey OR black bars. Others report noticable burn-in even with the supposedly safer grey bars. The sample is small and not very scientific, but I\'ve heard this other places too.
I agree that the 16:9 squashed mode can look dumb on some sets, but the Toshibas have a so-called "theater wide" mode that stretches the image at the edges more than it does at the middle. This is supposed to keep the focus of the image less distorted. I don\'t know if I\'ve seen this mode in action at any stores yet (the way it\'s described, it sounds like a funhouse mirror) but many people claim this is a big improvement over linear stretching provided by some sets.
Which make and model do you have, Videoholic? Which do you wish you had?
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I have a question, I heard that projection tvs burn easier than crt tv. Is there such thing as LCD Projector, I heard Mitsubishi made one with 16 x 9 720p or 1080i 43" LCD Projector\'s type. What the different between regular projector and LCD projectors? Well, rather using a small screen CRT tube and project it to the desire size, it use LCD type and you know that LCD uses less Watt and energy than CRT so it will be less likely to burn. I am not sure about picture quality though. probably the same.
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LCD is no where near the quality of a CRT. It can\'t produce true blacks so they always turn out grey. DLP is the way to go now. I have front projection theater. I have 7 inch CRT lenses. This is obviously the way to go, but we are talking a 30,000 dollar projection unit.
The grey bars essencially are to wear out your tubes on the parts you don\'t use at the same rate that the center is wearing out. Essentially to keep from burnin.
I am shooting our TV show this week so I am real tired right now, but I will try and answer you a little more when I get a chance.
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Here\'s another point relevent to using the PS2 with an HDTV. This was posted by someone on Amazon.com, in the review area for the Sony Component Video cable:
Great product but..., May 28, 2001
Reviewer: Chris (see more about me) from Myrtle Beach, SC
This product does exactly what it was meant to do. The picture comes through 10 times better on my HDTV, but this is the Playstation 2 we are talking about. With most games having no form of anti-aliasing the flaws of the system are exploited. I have a Dreamcast hooked up with a VGA converter with an Audio Authority VGA-Component video converter attached and it actualy makes the PS2 look like the weaker system. I hate to say it, but the PS2 was meant for standard TV only. Guess we will have to wait for GCN or X-box for true next generation gaming experience.
Anyway I have to give the product itself 5-stars if only for the irony of sometimes getting what you wish for.
OK, The guy\'s wrong about no anti-aliasing, but could display on an HDTV actually highlight other shortcomings? Do you think PS2 game graphics were optimized for standard television display? Could a Dreamcast really look better than a PS2 in this situation, even going through a VGA converter?
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That\'s interesting. I need to get the VGA adapter for my set. I am just blowing up the standard interlaced image so it kind of blows, but it still looks good.
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is there a VGA adapter available and would I be able to use it with my set...??
Hmmmmm.....
I think the qualilty looks great on my set, I don\'t know how much more I could ask for, yeah sometimes you see a little bit more jaggies, but its huge, so its kinda hard to miss. But its just a game, and its damn fun on a big screen TV
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I have a PS2 and a DC both going to a HDTV. The DC is using the vga and looks a lot better than the PS2. I would really like to see sony come out with a vga adapter. :)
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VGA out on the DC looks simply amazin. Sony should have been thinking more of the future of home entertainment and added some type of 480p+ output on the ps2. I would agree with the statement made above in that vga out on the DC looks better than anything on the PS2 when shown on a 55"+ rptv.
And the ps2\'s playback of DVDs is just crappy. I notice it right off the bat, and I\'m comparing it to my entry-level Toshiba sd-1200. For a detailed explanation and actual testing check out HT Hifi (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_1/dvd-benchmark-sony-ps2-dvd-player-3-2001.html).
"We need to say up front that the PS2 is a game console first and foremost. Its performance as a DVD player does not even match DVD players costing $100 less. So, if you are looking primarily for a DVD player, you can do better. If you want a game console that can double as a DVD player for the sake of convenience, then the PS2 might be what you are looking for. We are not reviewing this as a game machine here, only a DVD player."
"The video output is below par for a DVD player, and if you factor in that it plays games, it\'s still a poor DVD player..."
As for the Toshiba TheaterWide HDs, I was saving up for the 40H80 myself. I got to about $700 and said screw it I\'m gonna upgrade my computer. :) Nonetheless Toshiba is always a good choice. Also take a look at the Mitsubishi Platinum Plus line which have VGA inputs. And yea the Mitsu\'s do look crappy in the showroom, I even said this to the salesman. Once you get it, you\'re supposed to use it regularly for about a month to break it in, then get it calibrated by an ISF-certified technician. Have to get rid of that damn red push among many other things.
Of course I\'m talking best case scenario here (aka- you have moolah to waste). From what I\'ve gathered at HTF, an ISF calibrated Mitsu is more preferred than a Toshiba. Happy hunting!
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How do you hook a VGA adapter up to your TV..?? I have a serial port in the back, but I think its for HDTV controller..
Maybe I can\'t, maybe I need a VGA port, maybe I have one and don\'t know...
Any more info on this subject, video or THX..??
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You need to have a vga input to get the picture. As far as big screens go I would look at the Elite line from Pioneer as well depending on your budget.
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Thanks to everyone who replied on this thread. THX, that site you mentioned, http://www.hometheaterhifi.com is very cool. Their testing procedure for DVD players was really fascinating.
I purchased the Toshiba 65H80 on Sunday from a local retailer at a VERY good price. It will be delivered sometime this week. I investigated Mitsubishi, Sony, and Pioneer alternatives, but eventually decided on the Toshiba based on owner testimonials. Spec-wise, none of the manufacturers seemed to offer obvious advantages over the others. While the Mitsubishi models do feature VGA input, I couldn\'t imagine an immediate application for this. The Toshiba ended up being quite a bit less expensive than a comparable Mitsubishi, so I think this was a good trade-off for a VGA input that may or may not be used.
If anyone\'s interested, I may post my comments here after a week or two of break-in. My emphasis on this forum will be on functionality with the PS2, but I\'ll mention my DVD playback experiences as well.
One more question to give you all something to think about: Have any of you used the video calibration DVDs like Video Essentials or Avia? I\'m considering buying one, but I\'ve been seeing an even distribution of positive and negative comments about each. Which do you prefer?
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Enjoy it.
Where are you getting your HD from? You get the RCA DC100? Do you live in a city with OTA HD content? You will love it.......
There have been many reports that CBS is going to offer a lot of NCAA football content this year in HD... YAHOO!!! GO GATORS!!!
CBS\'s full slate is in HD (Just about) and from what I have heard, ABC is going to be transfering there programming to HD this fall as well. Should be real nice. Only thing ABC does now is NYPD Blue and that show in HD makes me sick to my stomach.
Let us know how you like it.
Oh, and pray for more widescreen games. SSX is great in Widescreen. I wish Football would follow suit.
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All this talk of Big screens and HDTV makes me wish I bought that 32in WEGA over my Dell but then again I would have failed computer school....oh the choices:(
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I agree that the 16:9 squashed mode can look dumb on some sets, but the Toshibas have a so-called "theater wide" mode that stretches the image at the edges more than it does at the middle.
I have a Toshiba widescreen TV and the "theater wide" mode does not stretch out the edges more than the middle, it actually has three theater wide settings. All three of them zoom into the image so that it takes up the whole screen. Two of the three theater wide settings stretch the picture in different ways so you can use whichever you prefer. The third setting doesn\'t stretch the picture in anyway and is best used for widescreen movies that aren\'t 16:9 enhanced. For 16:9 movies and games you have to use a completely different mode, the "full" mode. That mode just stretches the compressed image out to fill the screen up with no loss of resolution. Since the image is already compressed by the dvd player, it looks normal when the TV stretches it out to fill the screen.
You probably already knew a lot of what I just said, but I just wanted to clear it up for anyone that gets confused by all that crazy stuff. :)
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Raze: Thanks for the clarification. Actually I did not know that the "Theaterwide" mode was just a zoom mode, so I must have misunderstood a post on one of the home theater forums. It\'s ok, I wasn\'t really looking forward to that feature anyway... :rolleyes: Which Toshiba model do you have? How do you like it?
Videoholic: I don\'t have any of the infrastructure to start viewing High Definition, but I don\'t really care about it that much either. I don\'t watch much television, so my main priorities are DVD playback and (or course) the PS2. I\'ve seen HD demonstrations at the showrooms, and they certainly look impressive. My roommate is an aspiring television writer, and he watches quite a bit of prime time programming. Maybe I can get him to spring for the HD decoder and split the DirecTV service... :) Yeah right :laughing:
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Raze: Thanks for the clarification. Actually I did not know that the "Theaterwide" mode was just a zoom mode, so I must have misunderstood a post on one of the home theater forums. It\'s ok, I wasn\'t really looking forward to that feature anyway... Which Toshiba model do you have? How do you like it?
I was an early adopter of DVD and a widescreen TV so I had a chance to learn about all that stuff right away. You should hear me trying to explain all that stuff to someone at a party when I\'m drunk. It\'s amazing how popular DVD has become considering how complicated 16:9 enhanced, 5.1 channel dolby digital and everything else sounds to the common consumer.
Anyway, to answer your questions, I have the Toshiba 40" Theaterwide television. I don\'t remember the exact model number and I\'m too lazy to find the booklet to see. It\'s not an HDTV, but I still love it. I\'m a big home theater junkie so that\'s where most of my money goes. The picture is amazing on it especially with DVD movies. I\'d like to have a bigger one, but for now it\'s pretty sufficient for my apartment. You can split the screen in two and watch two shows at once or flip through the channels on one side while you watch the other. As for video gaming......well I don\'t really use it for video games much. I have a 27" sony trinitron that I use for my PS2 and DC. Sometimes I hook up the PS2 to my toshiba to play SSX in split screen mode and take advantage of the widescreen option in the game. I will definitely use it more when I get GT3 since it is 16:9 compatible. Right now I can\'t suggest getting a widescreen tv just for gaming since not many games take advantage of them yet, but if you are into DVD movies then you can\'t go wrong with one. They are definitely great to use with a PS2 for the movies and for the growing amount of games that take advantage of widescreen.
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Well I tried hooking ps2 up to are big projection screen tv and said forget it. I read in the manual that is can very well harm the tv. I hate you have to turn the power off ever time you hook in this wire and that wire. I could not get it too work on the tv. We even tried going in direct, and through the dvd player. And it just would not work . So it is hook up to a standard 32" tv with a/v jacks and it will have too do until I figure out someway to get the ps2 to work on it or wait and see will it work on other next gen systems:D
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Are you telling me that BOTH SSX and GT3 have widescreen options? I can\'t believe I haven\'t heard that before! This is definitely going to rock, m\'man.
To be honest, the PS2 is only about 20% of my reason for buying the new television. My main application will be DVDs, but of course I need to replace my crappy Toshiba SD-3109 player with a progressive player sometime soon. That\'s going to be a big decision judging from the test results reported on the hometheaterhifi.com website.
I just got the One For All "Cinema 7" universal remote, and I\'m even excited about THAT! It doesn\'t look like much, and it\'s dirt cheap, but it does everything. I\'m looking forward to entering some macros as soon as my collection of components has stabilized. :)