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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Bobs_Hardware on June 05, 2001, 12:56:32 AM
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if this has been done before, can someone close it please, otherwise, read on...
i would like to know your opinion on whether Spiderman could beat Wolverine, or Wolverine would win, clearly, i think Spidey would win
ill post a small article i wrote for Ryu\'s own site
SPIDERMAN vs. WOLVERINE
The hotly debated clash of comic book heroes. But who would win? Well I think its pretty obvious what the result would be. But, we\'ll have an analysis of the statistics of both \'people\'.
Spiderman:
Super Agility
Webbing
Super Strength
Can stand on walls etc.
Extremely intelligent
Spider sense
Wolverine:
Super Agility
Claws
Adamantium bones
Heals quickly
Heightened senses
But on the con side, Wolverine is extremely old, so this costs him quite a bit of ground. Well, who would win? Obviously the answer is Spiderman. With agility exceeding wolverines, greater speed and power would allow a quick exit (or a hit and run) and a retreat to set his plan into motion. While wolverine could track him down easily, spiderman can go onto walls and use his webbing to get to places almost inaccessible by Wolverine. And even if Wolverine did reach Spiderman, Spidey\'s spider sense would warn him so Wolverine couldn\'t even touch him. But that helps spiderman retreat, how can he win the fight? Easy, his webbing. But before you say anything about how wolverine can use his claws to cut spidermans webbing remember this; If spiderman webs up wolverines chest, upper arms and forearms wolverines claws are rendered useless. Why? Wolverine would no longer be able to move his arms. All his claws would be good for would be cutting the side of his thighs. Spiderman could simply web up his lower legs, stopping his mobility, and web his face, blinding him. Now the tricky part. Killing Wolverine. Wolverines adamantium bones are hard to crack, and his fast healing doesn\'t help anyway. How does spidey do it. Well, when Wolverine is immobilised (and suffocating mind you, another easy way) spidey could simply use his super strength to rip flesh away, exposes what\'s inside. Sound gruesome and corny, well... it\'d at least be cool to see. Maybe thumbs through Logans eyes (Evil Dead style) and into his brain. Or do it the easy way by webbing up Logans face and suffocating him to death
How could wolverine even compete. Anyone got any suggestions? well, type away
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spiderman with superstrength???? no way!! Wolvey would take him for strength any day of the week!!
Spideys cartridges are limited, eventually the webbing will wear off. It\'ll have to be long distance attacks, cos if he gets close to wolvey he\'s gone. A long distance webshot could be easily avoided or cut by his claws. When he runs out, he\'s done for, wolvey would tear him apart in close combat.
Wolfvey wins hands down
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Wolverine would slaughter Spiderman, no doubt.
Even though Wolvey is old, his healing factor retards his aging, thereby nullifying his age altogether. One hit is all Wolverine would need, and believe me, he would get it.
And yeah, Spiderman is stronger than Wolverine, but not a better fighter.
Spiderman is a dopey, picture taking kid, whilst Wolverine is a trained assassin.
Also, does anyone have the Wolverine vs. Batman comic anywhere? I would love to see it.
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Spiderman has super strength
Wolvey\'s healing process retarded his aging, but he is still no where near as hifit, healthy or powerful as he used to be
Spiderman is a supersmart scientist, not a dumb photographer
remember, even if spidey did get in close, he still outmatches wolvey in agility and speed, plus his spider sense is FAR superior to wolvies hightened senses...Wolvie would NOT get a hit in, Spidey is too good...and once in close, the webbing would just ruin Wolvies day...goodnight fellas
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hahahaha, Wolverine would get worked so damn hard.
You all tell us that Wolverine has healing power, but ITS NOT INSTANT. It still takes him time to re-cuperate after being thoroughly hammered by a senior citizen or something.
Spidey is too quick, he\'d be straight in there, *biff* *bam*, lights out wolverine.
I have the Marvel Super Heros screenshots to prove that spidey is the bomb.
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You make out as if he could move at the speed of light. Not so, he\'s fast, but not THAT fast. Wolvey may have a hard time hitting him, but it\'d happen, no worries about that.
Spidey\'s main atillery is limited, whereas wolveys healing powers and adamantium claws are not (unless magnetos sitting in the corner of the room ;) )
ANYWAY, wolvey would easily be able to take him out. And being a super smart genius of science WON\'T save him from a king hit from Wolvey. And don\'t go saying he\'s gonna make some crazy potion that renders the world useless and aligns all the planets so he can pull some mystical feat of wonder, because NO potions are allowed. Wolvey would tear him to shreds. One hit, and it\'s goodnight Irene.
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BAH, you have no arguement, your ENTIRE arguement is "one hit and he is gone"
bah, one hit from spideys webbing and you can say goodbye to your precious wolverine...and that is much more likely, as wolverine wouldnt get a hit in on Spidey...spidey can climb up to a roof, on building tops, where Wolvey CANT access...and even IF wolvey caught up with Spiderman, spidermans spidersense would go off, letting him avoid this potential "one hit"
"You make out as if he could move at the speed of light. Not so, he\'s fast, but not THAT fast. Wolvey may have a hard time hitting him, but it\'d happen, no worries about that. "
he is MUCh faster, and MUCH more agile than Logan is
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ME no argument, no way dewd. You make out as if Spiderman is a super saiyan or something. He\'s no THAT FAST. Sure, he\'s quick, he\'s agile, but NOT THAT FAST. If wolvey kept a constant strafe with ONE arm up, then he could continuously cut the bolts, and with his one arm up, there\'s no way that the bolt could wrap his entire body clamping his arms against his body, therefore he could always cut loose if he was consumed
His cartridges DON"T last forever, it wouldn\'t take long at all for him to run out. So many episodes of the show he ran out, using minimal amounts of cartridge fluid, never in the show has he kept a constant stream of it, cos he\'d RUN OUT.
When that happens, it would be down to close combat, and unless spidey learns to teleport, then he\'s NOT going to be able to avoid every strike from logan. Spidey may be intellectual, but in the ways of battle logan is a veteran. He would win.
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"If wolvey kept a constant strafe with ONE arm up, then he could continuously cut the bolts, and with his one arm up, there\'s no way that the bolt could wrap his entire body clamping his arms against his body, therefore he could always cut loose if he was consumed
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ONE arm up? please...Spiderman is firing two bolts at him (at constantly changing angles) while logan is running as fast as he can from side to side trying to keep his ballance....he COULD NOT DO THAT. the bols would hit him. how could holding up one arm stop two bolts coming from different directions. the only way he could stop the bolts would be by having arms that moved at lightning speeds, and even then he couldnt do it. Spidey can also turn his webbing into a spray, slowing wolvey up, using his other arm as a bolt to tie him up. HE COULD NOT AVOID THE WEBBING
IF he had to change cartridges, he would simply retreat to a safe spot, somewhere on a roof top, where logan couldnt get to him, and refill them
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IF he had to change cartridges, he would simply retreat to a safe spot, somewhere on a roof top, where logan couldnt get to him, and refill them
Well firstly, who says this is an urban setting. Clearly in this scenario this can only be taken as spidey fleeing from battle. If it were not in an urban situation with no buildings, spidey would be in considerable trouble. And as I said to you before (yes folks, this debate rages on ICQ as well), spidey CAN NOT constantly strafe at a high pace and fire his bolts STRAIGHT. They bend, it\'s not possible for him to be able to move, and shoot straight. Wolvey could easily use this to his advantage to dodge the bolts on a 3d plane.
As for cutting the bolts, if he comes down, and cuts each bolt coming directly to him against the way they are coming ie. at a 90 degree angle, then the previous section of web that hit him is useless. Therefore, he hardly has to keep moving at the speed of light, he just has to move somewhat quickly, which he CAN do.
If he comes down and cuts the fluid WHILE dodging, then the previous section CANNOT bind him. Spidey will NOT hit 100% of the time, especially if they\'re BOTH moving, which means Wolvey has AMPLE time to free himself from what HAS hit him, until the point of time where Spideys cartridges run out. If they\'re both on the ground, then spidey is in real trouble. Unless Aunt May comes along to help him, but let me tell you, Aunt May isn\'t gonna have as much of a chance with wolvey as spidey does ;)
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In DeFalco & Castro\'s Time\'s Arrow Trilogy, Wolverine kills Spiderman in an alternate reality; Spidey tries to jump over Wolverine, and Logan guts him in a single swing as he passes overhead.
:)
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hahahha, oh this reminds me so much of the argument we had back at school with Don Alex and FrozenPea, I beleive we covered all this material already, or at least we were up to the "if they were no buildings spiderman would get owned". hahaha.
You make out as if Spiderman is a super saiyan or something
Now that would be interesting. Goku vs Vegeta vs Spiderman vs Wolverine vs Cell.
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It was a tough choice,but I have to say Spiderman.
The most important thing to do for Spidey is to avoid the claws,once the claws are out of the way Wolfie\'s abilities become severly limited.
And even if he has heightened senses,they are nothing compared to the Spider sense.And Spidey is alot faster and agile than the Wolfster.
I\'d have say they are about equal in strength.The only real advantige that Wolfie has are the claws and the fast healing,the claws can be avoided,ot Spidey can just web them up,if he put\'s enough on both hands he would have a hard time getting it off because the thing is sticky as hell.
So the only problem Spidey has to face is the fast healing.He could web up his face and sufficate him,he could rip off all the flesh as Bobo said.He could gather up alot if refridgerator magnets and laugh at him while he has to pick them off himself :D.But I\'d have to say the suffication is the way to go,web up his face and throw him into the sea.
OMG this was post 2000 :D:D:D:D
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Spiderman, for sure. If you ever read the spiderman books or comics, you would know that he is rarely hit, his spidersense lets him dodge most blows. He can leap hundreds of feet, and move as fast a wolverine. I think he would web him up (which wouldn\'t slow down wolverine for but a second or two), but it would be enough time for him to slam him.
Remember, like superman, spiderman almost never uses his full strength or speed, but when he does, he can toe-to-toe with Venom.
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First of all Spidey\'s Spidersense is nothing compared to Wolvie\'s Enhanced senses. All it does for crissakes is warn him if somethings about to hit him. Big Whoop. Wolvie could fight Spiderman in the dark using just his sense of smell and hearing. Wolverine\'s age is not a factor due to his healing ability. Spiderman may be young but Wolverine is a TRAINED killer. The Weapon X program more than prepared him for the likes of Spiderman. Spidey is just a smart kid with a lot of strength. Would you rather have a Ninja w/ heightened senses and adamantium claws defend you or Bill Gates with super strength and the ability to stick to walls?
Also Spiderman doesn\'t kill. He is too moral for that. Wolvie kills for fun.
Anyway my vote goes to Wolvie.
As for Gokou he would win and if he started to lose he would just talk to wolverine and spiderman for 3 days while he prepares to transform into the Legendary Super Mega Ultra Saiya-jin 7.(Or something like that :D)
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Umm the Spider sense is like a 100 times better than Wolfie\'s heightened senses.
Spidey could contunue fighting even if was blinded for some reason (he has fought using only his spider sense to guide him)
And he is alot faster and more agile than Wolfe,and combined with a spider sense that warns him about all attacks and where they are coming from,he could dodge Wolfie\'s attacks with ease.
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Originally posted by Gohan
Wolvie could fight Spiderman in the dark using just his sense of smell and hearing. Wolverine\'s age is not a factor due to his healing ability. Spiderman may be young but Wolverine is a TRAINED killer. The Weapon X program more than prepared him for the likes of Spiderman. Spidey is just a smart kid with a lot of strength. Would you rather have a Ninja w/ heightened senses and adamantium claws defend you or Bill Gates with super strength and the ability to stick to walls?
Also Spiderman doesn\'t kill. He is too moral for that. Wolvie kills for fun.
Amen. All I have to say is read Book 2 of the Time\'s Arrow Trilogy, Wolverine kills Spiderman (he guts him) in about 5 seconds. Spidey sense wasn\'t fast enough to help him then.
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hell just because someone knows a punch is coming doesn\'t mean that they could avoid
numerous times i have seen SpiderMan get punched or thrown aside in a battle and get back up - well i don\'tthink he would get back up if he got hit with wolvies claws
Ok say that the scenario is in an urban setting since all you guys want to put Spidey in an advantage since you want him to win - ok so what happens if Wolvies goes and blows the power to the building - now they are both in darkness - ok so now wolvie can sense spidey yet spidey can only sense wolvies attacks yet he does not know where to go to avoid them - well then spidey is screwed
hell the battle can go either way really - its just that people that favor one hero will put them in the scenario that puts their hero at an advantage - say spidey around buildings or wolverine in the dark or on an open battle field
so what it comes down to is scenario
there thats that
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Wolvey would tear spidey apart, no worries. You talk about immobilising his claws, the only way for spidey to do that would be to web them against his body. As I said, if wolvey could keep cutting the sections of bolt coming at him, there\'d be no chance of nailing his claws down. If you bolted just his hands, he could have his claws retracted. When he shoots them out it\'d pierce all the webbing around his hand rendering the whole attack useless. Spideys cartridge fluid is NOT as long lasting as you think it is. He has NEVER shot out a continuous beam of web for as long as bobby said he would. He\'d run out, and it\'d be down to close combat.
Spidey has spidey sense, but STILL it doesn\'t help him all the time. He can\'t move at the speed of light, so if he senses an attack from the left, he\'ll dodge to the right. Wolvey is a trained assassin, he\'d know how to play the game, and he\'d know to attack with two hands while spidey is dodging. As soon as it was down to close combat, it\'d be over in a few mins easy.
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You forget that his web is sticky.
And Spidey is so fast he could dodge his attacks without breaking a sweat.
We need Stan Lee hear to settle this (or maybe Brody from Mallrats)
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Spidey would win easily. All he has to do his back away, jump really high and shoot his web at Wolverine and the fights over. What\'s Wolvy gonna do? Run at him and hope he connects with his claws? Spidey is too fast for that. He is faster and much more agile so I doubt Wolverine could do anything to stop him.
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If he jumps high and shoots, that\'s a longer way that the web bolt has to travel. All wolvey has to do is a strafing dodge, whilst cutting the bolt into sections. If he dodges on a 3d plane, then spidey really has to take aim. Plus, spidey CAN\'T move and shoot straight at the same time, his bolts will bend and go in other directions. All wolvey has to do, is wait for the cartriddge fluid to run out, then it\'s down to close combat, where there\'s no match.
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sheesh,even when it\'s in close combat there\'s no way Wolfie can match Spidey\'s speed.And they are about equal in strength.
And if Spidey emptied his cartridge,he could just climb up a wall where Wolfie couldn\'t reach him,and replace the cartridge.
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well... that very flattering spidey suit can only hold so many remember. All wolvey has to do is run through a few cartridges, and that\'s only IF spidey actually has extra cartridges.
In close combat there\'d be absolutely no competition. Yes, spidey is fast, but not THAT much faster than logan. All he can do is pull some ninja skillz (if he\'s actually got any), and logan can easily counter and eventually get in the king claw hit. Then it\'s all over.
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grrr
Don\'t forget that each time Wolfie strikes Spidey\'s spider sense warns him.
Wolverine attacks
Spidey\'s sense warns him,he jumps up and kicks Wolverine in the face.
His kick makes Wolverine back up,he again runs and attacks.
Spidey jumps over him and kicks him in the back of his head.
Of course during this fight Spidey squirts some spider juice into his face.
All this will continue until either Wolverine get\'s tired or to pissed off.
But of course why would they fight,they are on the same team ;)
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That\'s one particular scenario, but remember wolvey has heightened senses too. And i\'ve seen spidey get hit a lot of times, he can\'t move like Goku does, if a punch comes at him he has to dodge it. Logan is a trained killer, he knows about countering etc.
Spidey would go for a shot after dodging wolveys attack... wolvey would know this and his heightened senses would help him somewhat to counter it. Wolvey would not tire anywhere as quickly as Spidey, his age is nullified by his healing powers.
But of course why would they fight,they are on the same team ;)
hahah, good point :)
But I like these discussion/debates... makes me want to start an FF series... "fantasy fight"
Each week we should take two superheroes, and hold a poll to see who wins... that\'d be sweet! :)
I might put a poll up on sunday maybe..
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Originally posted by Gradman
Logan is a trained killer,
Well you forget Peter is a trained reporter (well photograper)
And yes,Wolverine has heightened senses,but that\'s nothing compared to the SpiderSense.
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Wolvey\'s senses are still pretty decent....
if spidey\'s spidey senses are what he\'s all about, maybe wolvey would do an overstimulatory strip tease..... maybe even aunt may will get involved
When his senses are overloaded to breaking point, baaam, wolvey strikes... .then gets dressed again :D
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ok i have one problem with this whole spidey sense deal
people keep acting like it telepathicly sends spidey the exact move that an enemy is gonna make - and thats BS - it tellshim that he is danger and thats all it does
then theres the fact that people think he can fight awesome or something - spidey can not fight or anything like logan - he knows nothing about counters and what not - he is all about the wall climbing and web cartridges - after the webs are gone so is spideys chances of winning
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Whoops, looks like the Spidey sense failed him that time. :D
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I think you\'re all on crack cocaine. Spidey wouldn\'t stand a chance against the ole Canuckule head. Granted, it\'s been awhile since I last read anything Marvel... but I\'m sure he\'s still the best at what he does.
Face it, Spidey\'d be in real trouble if he faced HALF the villans Wolvey has. I mean, do you really think he would have survived Cyber, Bloodscream, Omega Red, PsyBorg, or Deadpool? Unlikely.
Once Wolvey got to seeing red and started walking through the land of radiators and trees gnashing their teeth.. Spidey\'d be one dead bug. I dunno exactly how.. but Wolvey would get him one way or another.
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let me cleat this up, spiderman has FAR superior strenghth to Wolverine. Thats one of Spidermans special traits.
lets say it was a steel cage death match (and the steel is adamantium) It all depends on who gets the early advantage. But Wolverine would MOST LIKELY win....if it was an urban setting, Spidey EASILY wins. I like the way Jumpman put it. All wolvie can do is run at spidey really fast (obviously he can jump etc.). and hope he gets close enough to claw him. but spidey is faster, and more agile than the almighty wolverine, so this method is pretty useless.
And you underestimate how good these webs are, they shoot at extremely high speeds, and are very strong, and very sticky. Gradmans strafing technique, IMO, is an absolutely rediculous idea, it wouldnt work AT ALL.
And if your going by the comics and cartoons, then lets ask...How many times have we seen wolverine to attack a living person with his claws, only to have that living person catch wolvie by the wrists, stopping his claws from reaching their body??? PLLLLEEEEENNNNTTTTY (well at least i have)
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yea but how many times after that person grabs his wrists do they hold on to them - not long at all
see the thing is i think they should fight in some sort of void - say a big grassy plain - that way it is up to skill not some damn crawling on walls and stuff because 1. its gay and 2. its just plain cheap - if the only way spidey can beat wolverine is to run to a corner of the ceiling and hide - then who cares - if i could do that then i could beat him to - but if they are in an open area then it means they have to use actual fighting skills and not cheap tricks
anyway - that IMO is the case
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Heck, throw \'em in a dark room with Daredevil and they\'d get caned so bad [/irrelevant]
Anyways, I voted for Wolverine, because he just is the most badass Marvel character in existence. And I started hating Spidey when McFarlane quit drawing his adventures. I remember these two characters sorting it out a couple of times, and they both seemed to receive an equal battering. But on the basis that Wolverine is a crazy blood-thirsty psycho (maybe I\'m exaggerating a bit... or not) who\'s been mind****ed more than is healthy, while Parker is a natural born wussy, good ol\' Logan would walk away victorious.
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I think sublime put it right, spiderman, to win, would have to fight cheap. How so? If he did run out of cartridege fluid, everyone so far has said spidey would run and hide in a corner to change them. Now if that isn\'t just the most cheap ass tactics in the world, no such thing exists.
If it came down to a fully urban setting, spidey would have the advantage, but wolvey could still win.
Sure, spidey can crawl on buildings, but all wolvey has to do is "run and hide" in a tight alley way, using objects around him as shields. Heck, wolvey has no restrictions, he can even run inside these damn buildings. Either way, he has the killer mentality that spidey does not, and would do anything not to lose. Spidey would eventually run out of fluid, and it\'d be down to close combat. Wolvey would win EASILY
Like sublime said, spidey\'s sense doesn\'t give him a picture of what attack is coming, it simply tells him danger is near, that\'s NOT going to do him any good, i think he\'ll know danger is near when he\'s standing opposite wolvey. It\'d be a wolvey win. The ONLY chance spidey would have, is if it were in an urban setting, and then my money would still be on logan
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Originally posted by Sublimesjg
yea but how many times after that person grabs his wrists do they hold on to them - not long at all
see the thing is i think they should fight in some sort of void - say a big grassy plain - that way it is up to skill not some damn crawling on walls and stuff because 1. its gay and 2. its just plain cheap - if the only way spidey can beat wolverine is to run to a corner of the ceiling and hide - then who cares - if i could do that then i could beat him to - but if they are in an open area then it means they have to use actual fighting skills and not cheap tricks
anyway - that IMO is the case
you are a fool (when it comes to this, otherwise your cool...and that rhymes dammit)
if you say Spiderman cant use some of his special abilities, i might as well say wilverine cant use his claws, or his healing, your testamony is IRRELVANT!!!
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Fact is, whoever lands the FIRST punch will win:
Wolverine: Claws would kill him with a face/body punch.
Spidey: Like Superman, he almost NEVER uses his full super strength, but when he does... it would easily KO or even kill wolverine (wolvie\'s brain/heart/lungs aren\'t coated with Adamantium).
Fact is, I think spidey would land that first, telling blow. Keeping wolvering at 5-10 meters wouldn\'t be too hard, since he\'s faster, and his sense would react just before wolverine charged. His webbing would be the small \'edge\' he would need to come in close and deliver the blow (whether he slows down wolverine\'s arms, trips him, blinds him, whatever). Remember, spiderman is the only one of the two with a long range attack, and one that is sticky and irritating at worst.
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and his sense would react just before wolverine charged
Now see I don\'t think this is true at all. Spidey\'s senses do NOT give him telepathy. They warn him if there is danger COMING, ie. there is already danger, it\'s just a sense of how close it is. It would NOT sense when wolvey is about to strike, because it is not telepathic. Wolvey could be safe knowing that spidey would not be able to sense anything until he actually made the charge... there\'s no way he could pick it up beforehand.
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Spiderman. He could easily stand a distance infront of Wolvie, when Wolvie rushed him, he could jump, flip off a building, then drop kick him in the head or something. He is so much more agile then Wolverine, that he could succesfully dodge almost anything Wolverine done. And if he did get hurt and needed a break, he could just climb up a wall and rest for a second.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
you are a fool (when it comes to this, otherwise your cool...and that rhymes dammit)
if you say Spiderman cant use some of his special abilities, i might as well say wilverine cant use his claws, or his healing, your testamony is IRRELVANT!!!
ok i am not saying that he can\'t use his abitlities - i am more or less pointing out that if he was not able to use them say an open area no buildings then he would lose and if he was in a building then he would have a better chance at victory
so back to an earlier scenario what if the lights in the building were shut off then what would spidey do - hide in the corner of the ceiling - ok so he is hiding what stops wolverine from climbing up the with his claws in the wall - i know he as climbed with them before
just curious
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Originally posted by Sublimesjg
so back to an earlier scenario what if the lights in the building were shut off then what would spidey do - hide in the corner of the ceiling - ok so he is hiding what stops wolverine from climbing up the with his claws in the wall - i know he as climbed with them before
just curious
1: Spider sense would warn him danger is coming.
2: He could hear Wolvie\'s claws . They would be loud.
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Spidey can also fight using only is spider sense to guide him.
It tells him about danger and where it\'s coming from how close it is etc...
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yea i know he would hear his claws - but since he knows he is coming he would have to do what - run and hide somewhere else - why cn\'t he take him on up close
and also spideys sense would tell himof dange but he would not know where to dodge since he is in the dark
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Spidey has went through the dark plenty of time while in danger, thanks to his spider-senses.
And how would wolverine know where to get Spiderman? He cannot see in the dark. Yes he can smell him. But when climbing up, if Spiderman listened, he could tell the general direction on which wolverine was comin\' from..therefor he could move fast. and if he wanted...he could swing across and kick wolverine and then get on another wall, before wolvie could get one claw out the wall to hit Spidey. And if he kicked him hard enough, he could knock him off the wall he was climbing up.
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2 words giant magnet. Immediatley immobilizing poor logan. Now where this magic magnet comes from is anyobdys guess.
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well i am not really counting on Wolvie to get a blow on spidey when he is up there - more or less i am saying that he could get to spidey to at least keep him moving so that he would not have time to refill his cartridges
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bt how can he do this sublime, spidey is much quicker and more agile
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okay, firstly logan has been in TONS of battles. He was MADE for battle... and he\'d KNOW that a flat out lunge at spidey would be stupid, he just wouldn\'t do it. If he did, it\'d be a dummy shot and he\'d be ready for a counter, no worries.
As for the spidey sense issue, in the dark. His spidey sense does warn him if there is danger coming, and from where it\'s coming, but it WON"T do him good in close combat like you say it will. He can\'t move at the speed of light. If wolvey is perfectly still, face to face, then just lunges for a punch, and wolvey IS quick, there\'s NOT enough time for spidey to utilize his senses and react.... it\'s just silly to think otherwise
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Originally posted by Gradman
okay, firstly logan has been in TONS of battles. He was MADE for battle... and he\'d KNOW that a flat out lunge at spidey would be stupid, he just wouldn\'t do it. If he did, it\'d be a dummy shot and he\'d be ready for a counter, no worries.
As for the spidey sense issue, in the dark. His spidey sense does warn him if there is danger coming, and from where it\'s coming, but it WON"T do him good in close combat like you say it will. He can\'t move at the speed of light. If wolvey is perfectly still, face to face, then just lunges for a punch, and wolvey IS quick, there\'s NOT enough time for spidey to utilize his senses and react.... it\'s just silly to think otherwise
why the hell would spidey be standing in close face to face with wolverine???
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why the hell would spidey be standing in close face to face with wolverine???
GAH, I don\'t know, it was just making a point to a theoretical situation someone had. I think it was in a dark room. And by the sounds of how they were putting it, it\'s NOT a large room, so they\'d be pretty close.
Well that\'s how I picked it up anyway.
ahhh well
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gah, if it was a theoretical small room, wolverine would JUST have the edge, but id like to see spidey dart away at the start, and quickly spray a web, seperating them, sure wolvvie could cut through, but it would take time to cut through, precious seconds, and the webbing would stick to him
just another possible situation, not all that practical though, but if he had a few seconds, he could do it
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Okay, I see alot of people saying "if Spidey stood still". Why the hell would Spidey do that? Then I see people saying it would be "cheap" for Spidey to climb on walls. Whattttttt? That is like saying its "cheap" for Wolverine to use his healing powers!
If they are going to fight, they clearly should be able to use all their special powers. Which in that case, Spidey has the clear advantage.
Sheesh.
;)
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Check that out. It has a listing of all Marvel characters in depth.
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I don\'t think it\'s cheap at all for Spidey to use buildings. Like you said, that\'s one of his key attributes. What I think is cheap, is spidey crawling up a building and running to a dark corner to change his cartridges. I reckon that\'s damn cheap... ah well
I never pictured Spidey sitting still... the only way spidey would be sitting still is if they were in a small dark room. Of course that wouldn\'t do him good.... logan would be able to smell him, and attack. So no, he wouldn\'t remain still he would continue moving.