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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Futami on June 05, 2001, 07:19:22 AM
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Considering fresh, and belated, impressions from E3, it appears that the Xbox has had its 3rd and final strike. Each time its advocates implored we wait, assuring us that the system would impress upon us its vast superiority over the competition, and each time we obliged their desperate requests we were left underwhelmed and exhausted with anticipation unfufilled. The Xbox is a bust. Let\'s get that out of the way. 3rd party interest in the system has dwindled considerably, primarily because of Japanese disinterest and less than accurate claims of the system\'s disproportionate strength with regards to the PS2 and GameCube. Granted, it has a few "exclusives" in the form of Dead or Alive 3, a sequel to a modestly received fighter for the DC/PS2, and Jet Grind Future, the sequel to Sega\'s Rollerblade actioner that, albeit received with critical acclaim, was a commercial flop. With the question of Microsoft\'s emergence as a significant player no longer applicable, we now find ourselves confronted with the increasing prospect of the PS2 being the primary player for the next 5 years. How will this affect the industry? Will this semi-monopoly pose a threat to quality, or will it spur greater incentive for developers to hone their talents and produce the best possible PS2 games they can?
Any thoughts?
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yeah sure, sony is lookin sharper than x box at the moment, but i wouldnt count them off yet.
its too early, i would wait till we see games on the "final hardware" around launch. then we will see.
the ps2\'s future is unbeliveably bright, just dont count out microsoft. $ 500,000 ad budget?
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How many chances are will willing to grant the Xbox? Its games indicate no superiority over the Gamecube and PS2. It\'s received multiple chances to demonstrate how it intends to seperate itself from the PS2, to no avail. 500 million dollar AD budget can only go so far. You can\'t take a lump of doodoo and make it into a diamond, no matter how much money you pour into it.
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yes, it has been given many chances, im just saying that we shouldnt count it out. microsof has finally given the final devs out, so if the games dont show the superioriy they say, they will fail, just dont count it out, thats all im saying.
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I think the x box will still sell but just wont have as large a market share as Sony
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*flies off to console debating*
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Who said the Xbox will be a bust? You are talking out of your ass. Sony has not run off w/ this generation just yet. Maybe you should wait until the Xbox launches before you make STUPID claims like this one.
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Ahh another Xbox fanboy. Geezus. How many pathetic Xbox fanboys are on this forum?? If you can\'t rummage through the various published, and posted, impressions of E3, by press and consumer attendees alike, and glean that the Xbox had a miserable showing then you\'re just too pathetic for words. The Xbox had its chance, and it bombed. It has NO chance. It\'s launching after the Gamecube which, although highly unlikely to sell anywhere near as much as the PS2, will undoubtedly garner a much greater share of the market than the Xbox. So why don\'t YOU refrain from responding with STUPID BS replies when you\'re not dealing with the facts idiot.
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Futami, would you please stop spewing bull****. Gohan is definitely not a Xbox fanboy, he\'s just posting the truth. Suck it up princess.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Futami, would you please stop spewing bull****. Gohan is definitely not a Xbox fanboy, he\'s just posting the truth. Suck it up princess.
I agree.
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[microsoft mind control Chip Enabled]
Come November the X box will send all the PS2 fanboys and indded owners running to trade in their playstation 2\'s
i am going to be at the head of the lot fighting them to get one and to try and trade mine in for a fraction for what i paid for it.
i know i will....
[microsoft mind control chip disabled]
Hey wait a min\' did i just say what i think i said, Damit Bill what did you put in my Drink, all i remember was ordering a Jack Danels and Coke and going to the Toilet and something about Bill Gates saying that it was his round.
the next thing .... i wake up with a sore head and a strange lump of metal sticking out of my head with a Microsoft logo on it ......
Futami start to panic he said your next on his list ;).
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If there\'s one thing I\'m sure of about XBOX is that unlike Dreamcast it\'s gonna be damn hard for it to fail when It\'s backed by one of the richest men on the planet and he can afford to sell each console for $40 if he wanted to it\'s not like he\'s really worried about money he\'s looking to broaden Microsoft\'s grip in the electronic world and some of the games look interesting but for now I\'m about 100% more interested in GameCube no offense. I\'m sure there will be good games on Xbox as will all other systems so all the bashing is pretty much pointless since most Xbox games will be on other systems eventually I said MOST not all and what I really want is DOA3...I\'ll wait for that game when it comes over to PS2 or GC.
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I think that the competition is between x-box and GC not the PS2, I pretty sure that the PS2 will be the main console, but second place I dont know..........
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Originally posted by Bossieman
I think that the competition is between x-box and GC not the PS2, I pretty sure that the PS2 will be the main console, but second place I dont know..........
i can\'t what for the X box and GC launch.......
Just think in the USA there will be HARDEBED X BOX and GC fanboys faceing each other in the games stores .....
Any one think there will be any fights ?
now thats what i call a console war....
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I disagree. I don\'t think you can count the XBox out because of a trade show. Think about it. If you based a console\'s success off of how it performed at a trade show, then all of you would be on your hands and knees worshipping Nintendo as we speak.
I don\'t think you can even begin to count a console out until it has been out for at least 6 months. Only then will we see the fate of the XBox and GC.
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Well, the PS2 sold tons despite their weak showings @ last year\'s E3. So..
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Futami, you are and idiot and have always been an idiot since the UGO forum and Blast City days. Gohan is a huge Nintendo and Sega fan I believe, and while excited about X-Box, is surely no fanboy.
X-Box had a better showing than Sony did at last year\'s E3, did Sony have a bad launch? No. In terms of how poorly they handled the demand, they still sold hundreds of thousands of consoles.
Casual gamers are the ones who make consoles successful and unsuccessful. Casuals don\'t know what E3 is. Casuals love pretty graphics, and X-Box is delivering in spades. They are teaming with Taco Bell to get the word out to the casuals.
DOA2 sold over 1 million copies throughout its conversions. that is NOT \'fairly well received\' being on new consoles as it were.
Sony has exactly .1% quality control. If they run away with this gen, as with last, EXPECT a crash not unlike 1984, as what happened when Coleco, Atari, and Mattel, released and let release crap after crap.
Did I mention you are an idiot?
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Futami, you are and idiot and have always been an idiot since the UGO forum and Blast City days. Gohan is a huge Nintendo and Sega fan I believe, and while excited about X-Box, is surely no fanboy.
X-Box had a better showing than Sony did at last year\'s E3, did Sony have a bad launch? No. In terms of how poorly they handled the demand, they still sold hundreds of thousands of consoles.
Casual gamers are the ones who make consoles successful and unsuccessful. Casuals don\'t know what E3 is. Casuals love pretty graphics, and X-Box is delivering in spades. They are teaming with Taco Bell to get the word out to the casuals.
DOA2 sold over 1 million copies throughout its conversions. that is NOT \'fairly well received\' being on new consoles as it were.
Sony has exactly .1% quality control. If they run away with this gen, as with last, EXPECT a crash not unlike 1984, as what happened when Coleco, Atari, and Mattel, released and let release crap after crap.
Did I mention you are an idiot?
Eric Jacob
Preach it
That 500Million dollar campaign is going to be big.
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may i remind you all that THEY ARE JUST VIDEO GAMES!!! why do we argue about this? THe only reason this "console war" is an issue is because people who already bought a PS2 for $300 dont want to have to buy another system so they convince themselves what they bought will be the greatest and vice versa. I know people will buy all 3, but not everybody is bill gates. I dont care if the xbox bombs, im not losing any money! I dont care if GC will be the best! I\'m not making one red cent off it! alright, i\'ll stop talking nonsense and go back to playing Dark Cloud...
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why the hell are people bickering over this? Xbox vs PS2,
who cares!? I love my PS2, but if XBox puts out really great games i will buy that system for "the games" not because it says microsoft, sony, or nintendo, in the end we all win, since we get to have another system to play with,
damn i sound like a preacher, "People, People ! Can\'t we all get along?"
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Instead of the usual cat fight like a of bunch schoolgirls why not pick up Futami\'s ball and run with it?
As long as we don\'t see Sony putting the screw to developers the way Nintendo had a rep for doing, I see the future of gaming much brighter as a result of PS2\'s domination. Before long no developer will be able to afford to endlessly crank out mediocre games and expect to thrive when they are all competing for market share on the same console. Do you see? EA football vs. Sega football, you\'ve got to believe neither one can afford to hold back features for next years version when they\'re going toe to toe against an equally talented team, 989 will have to get its act together or find a new niche to fill with thier sports dev team.
With the lack of a "new and improved" system coming out every year or two the pressure to be innovative will be enormous due to the motivation of having to stand out in an ever more crowded playing field.
As to the crash of 84. I would put it down to the appeal of paying $60 to $80 (adjusted for inflation) for games with all the staying power of pong. How long was that bubble supposed to last? Yeah there\'ll be big a shake out, of weak developers not video gaming in general. I would like to see Sony get a handle on quality control but in the long run with the substantial investment now required to produce a decent game it will work itself out by devs going belly up putting out mediocre titles that don\'t sell in a market flooded with good games.
Well, that\'s the way I see it.
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Hell I\'m still impressed with the XBox.
Rememebr last year when the PS2 launched. Sony at E3 2000 was nothing to dance in the streets about, and Xbox is just following in the footsteps
Xbox has a heluva alot going for it
1st its graphics are sharp, and we\'ve not seen final games on final dev kits
2nd Xbox has a hard drive, If you can put all of your Xbox hatred aside and realize how huge of an effect the HD will have on console games.
RPG\'s will bnecome enormous in scope on a console with a HD available for data storage. I do believe games on the XBox in a few years will have a superior look, and larger depth then any other console. Diehard hardcore gamers will be in hog heaven.
The only thing keeping Xbox from starting off fast will be the MS name. I fully expect Xbox to start taking off in the sales department in a few years as long as dev\'s make some creative games that do take advantage of Xbox\'s harddrive which will then make XBox more then just a machine with great graphics
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Heretic - Sega is arguably the best developer ound for pound out there. Yet there titles can\'t seem to sell worth crap.
Looking Glass is gone
Origin (as we know it) is gone
I fear this is just the beginning of a very nasty shake up in the industry. One not fueled by who makes the best games, but who can crank out the popular sequels year after year.
Eric Jacob
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How odd... Futami called me out as a troll, yet... all he comes in debate to do is diss Xbox regardless if he\'s mistating facts, or even made **** up. ****, he even said Shenmue was confirmed for PS2 in another thread. *cough*ultratroll*cough*
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You have some good points futami,but xbox may do pretty good in the U.S. market.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Heretic - Sega is arguably the best developer ound for pound out there. Yet there titles can\'t seem to sell worth crap.
Eric Jacob
how the hell can someone be cosidered the best developer pound for pound if there titles don\'t sell
I mean anyone can be extremly innovative but that don\'t mean **** if the game aren\'t liked enough to be bought.
I think your Sega zealousness is interfering slightly with your ability to perceive common sense.
Sega is respected, but if you aren\'t reaching the masses by developing games people want then how the hell can they be consider the best. Maybe this will change now since Sega is a 3rd party, but I see them having a mixed bag of success. SOmething they do will rock, somethings will be duds.
your logic is confusing
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AlteredBeast, I think the narrow user base is the only problem Sega had in producing major software sales. Now that they are free to invest solely in games I can\'t see them out of the picture anytime soon. Even if a good dev house folds it doesn\'t mean the talented programers and game designers start flipping burgers for a living.
Not doubt we\'ll see the endless rehashes of the sos, I guess I\'m just putting a lot of faith in developers imaginations to keep gaming moving forward because its the nature of the beast. I\'m relying on the best developers getting as bored doing the same old thing as much as any hardcore gamer would.
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the Tomb Raider series has sold something 18 million copies since inception. Core must be highly regarded as one of the best, since they sell so much.
Square\'s RPGs sell tons. Their other genred titles suck major crap with few exceptions. Yet they still sell in sad massive qualities. Square must be the best developer because everyone buys their games.
Millions of Kids across the world have bought each Pokemon, knowing full well that the only thing new about a new pokemon will be a couple new characters. Nintendo must be the developer because their games sell so well.
Do you see what I am getting at? sales don\'t matter when it comes to rating how well a company makes a game, ESPECIALLY in this generation and last. Brands sell. Series sell (which Sega has many of, but doesnt drag dead-horse- beat them to death). Jugs Sell. Blood sells. gameplay means nothing. originality means zero. quality means less than zero. WE (hardcore incorporated) mean zero.
Eric Jacob
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Futami, I\'m not even going to bother rehashing everyones arguments in my own words about your half-thought out and vindictive diatribe against the Xbox. However, there is one point that everyone else seemed to miss.
"Will this semi-monopoly pose a threat to quality, or will it spur greater incentive for developers to hone their talents and produce the best possible PS2 games they can? - Futami
Sony dosen\'t have a Monopoly on the gaming market, or even a Semi-Monolpoly. It may seem that way by walking through the isles at Wal-mart.. but in actuallity Sony only controls some 60 odd percent of the market. The other 40 is owned by Nintnedo and Sega. If, however, you consider total product coverage into the equasion(sp), then it turns out Nintnedo owns much more marketshare.. matching or exceeding Sony\'s own. The Gameboy holds a real monopoly on the gaming market, with 99% control over all handheld markets world wide. This is even greater than Microsofts OS dominance. (Which is around 90% worldwide. The rest being the dominance of Apple, Linux, Unix, or other various OS\'s)
Anyone who thinks Sony has ANY kind of monopoly on the gaming market has had their heads stuck firmly in their rectum for far too long.
Also, I think Altered has a point. IMO, Sega is one of the absolute best developers out there. However, Sega games might not have sold well in the past because of their exclutivity to Sega consoles... which are largely berift of 3rd party support and fail to gain consumer confidence. No matter how good your first and second party games are.. noone will buy your console is that\'s ALL it offers.
In my experience.. the ingredients for a winning console seems to be 20-30% AAA titles and the rest a slew of crap games. Really, no matter how generally crappy.. any game will certainly draw a fanbase. Having a mass of games, no matter the quality, will convince the mixed bag of fans from those games to buy the console they are on. It\'s called broad market appeal.. and it almost always works for some odd reason.
Now that Sega has gone multiplatform.. we will truly see just how well Sega\'s game stack up against the competition.
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"Casual gamers are the ones who make consoles successful and unsuccessful. Casuals don\'t know what E3 is. Casuals love pretty graphics, and X-Box is delivering in spades. They are teaming with Taco Bell to get the word out to the casuals. "
i agree with the fact that casuals are how a console \'wins\'...but i disagree with the idea that pretty graphics is what casuals are after...they want something they KNOW will be good...casuals KNOW that PSX was good, and had great games, therefore, they buy a PS2...casuals do NOT KNOW that XB sells great games, and they DO KNOW that Microsoft are sons of *****es, that fuk everything up
you people seriously think that while XB pumps out its $500 million in advertising that Sony arent going to launch a counter attack. They arent stupid, they have hardly dont ANY advdertising so far, just before the launch of NGC and XB, expect Sony to make their offensive on the casual gamers also.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
"Casual gamers are the ones who make consoles successful and unsuccessful. Casuals don\'t know what E3 is. Casuals love pretty graphics, and X-Box is delivering in spades. They are teaming with Taco Bell to get the word out to the casuals. "
i agree with the fact that casuals are how a console \'wins\'...but i disagree with the idea that pretty graphics is what casuals are after...they want something they KNOW will be good...casuals KNOW that PSX was good, and had great games, therefore, they buy a PS2...casuals do NOT KNOW that XB sells great games, and they DO KNOW that Microsoft are sons of *****es, that fuk everything up
you people seriously think that while XB pumps out its $500 million in advertising that Sony arent going to launch a counter attack. They arent stupid, they have hardly dont ANY advdertising so far, just before the launch of NGC and XB, expect Sony to make their offensive on the casual gamers also.
I agree..
I think most casual gamer know what MGS2 is.. and Final Fantasy.. and Gran Turismo 3..
MGS2 is being released in November and with the planned pricecut, I think Sony has a big advantage..
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Jumping from SonyFan\'s comments:
"In my experience.. the ingredients for a winning console seems to be 20-30% AAA titles and the rest a slew of crap games. Really, no matter how generally crappy.. any game will certainly draw a fanbase. Having a mass of games, no matter the quality, will convince the mixed bag of fans from those games to buy the console they are on. It\'s called broad market appeal.. and it almost always works for some odd reason"
Whell, assuming that this is in fact true, one has to consider the Xbox\'s development environment. It\'s certainly the indisputable king in terms of developer friendlyness & accessablity, bringing games closer to critical acclaim by lightening the burden on its makers.. In that respect, developers have the most creative freedom with the Xbox, effectively making it the ideal platform for masses of AAA titles. With these considered, an impartial mind comes to the conclusion that the Xbox will eventually overtake Sony and rule.
[whisper]
Remember Netscape
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We are XBox
You will be Assimilated
Resistance is Futile
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However, one can\'t help but think of the giant obstacles that Microsoft would have to overcome to reach such an end. Back in the broader world of vicious competition, Microsoft\'s opponents will make it anything but an easy task. Not unlike the forces that killed the Dreamcast, these (opponents) include the minions of Stupidity, Ignorance and Close Mindedness as well as their corporate adversaries.
I leave the floor to Time to decide the ultimate outcome.....
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Its gonna be PS2 or GC who wins this one..
Im sure..
PS2 has a huge userbase.. and some must have killer apps..
Plus the fact that Sony is planning a pricedrop to 199 USD.. Prob in november (usa) and xmas (uk, eu)!
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If a console\'s fate is determined by how well it impressed at a trade show like E3 or TGS, then we\'d all be singing a different tune.
Like Altered has mentioned, Sega totally dominated last year\'s E3 and just look where the DC is headed. :crying:
Unfinished products mean nothing. Reserve judgment when its completed.
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Total domination of E3 2000 by Sega is a total exaggeration, won the show is more like it. I recall MGS2 being named game of the show and generating a lot of excitement.
If gamers hadn\'t been saying/told over and over months before this years E3 how xbox was going to blow everything else out of the water come show time, blowing as it did in the eyes of many it wouldn\'t of been such a let down.
I\'m still willing to wait another year or so to see what the box can do with all that power fully programed before making final judgment but have been given no reason to think the public at large will care by then any more than they do now. Too little too late, no second chance to make a first impression, if the cliche fits use it. Final hardware not being ready so close to launch belies all the programers dream ultra power talk as overrated vaporware until the day it proves otherwise. In the meantime PS2 keeps looking better and better, we\'ve been told to wait until 2003 to see what it can really do. Are you willing to? Fair is fair
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Remember Netscape
Netscape shot themselves in the foot when they made their browser into a peice of crap that didn\'t support a lot of the standards that THEY originated. MS was just in the right place at the right time.
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Originally posted by Ashford
If a console\'s fate is determined by how well it impressed at a trade show like E3 or TGS, then we\'d all be singing a different tune.
Like Altered has mentioned, Sega totally dominated last year\'s E3 and just look where the DC is headed. :crying:
Unfinished products mean nothing. Reserve judgment when its completed.
True true but ill think that you will find that the funny thing with E3 2001 was all the X box Fanboys shouting...........
" Ah Just wait till E3 then we will see a REAL console".
So we waited and we saw one.
Pitty it was the other Black Console
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*ooseven thinks over the X box Fanboys quote*
" Ah Just wait till E3 then we will see a REAL console".
Hey they never said which E3........
Oh S%^& looks like we will go through it all over agian for next year :crying:.
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But what attracted casuals to PSX? Sure as heck not established franchises, as their were zippo when PSX came out. No, what attracted casuals to PSX was pretty graphics, the much overrated name of Sony, and on a few games: Twisted metal, ESPN X Games, and Destruction Derby.
Eric Jacob
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Now this has to be the dumbest peace of crap read yet.
First of all you are being nothing but a bias sony fool. Last year before ps2 launched what did sony do at e3? Nothing they barely gave us screen shots. Only shot we saw all the time where of TTT and ssx. Because like always the rest of the games sucked and it proved it at launch. And with all the crappy reviews and horrible game play that plagues many of the rushed(excuse me launched games for ps2.
I wanna see three strong console that I have to choose from. Makes companies work harder thus more fun for me. One thing about psx that plauged it is that. It had more games than any video sysmtem could have and the majority of the games where crap. And ps2 is picking right where it left of at. Which nothing is wrong with that because all console have crappy games and that is not ever going to change, but to say that sony is on top of it games and where getting the best games we can get would be lying.
Although I guess you can\'t blame sony can you? Developers are still learning the technology
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Originally posted by Gohan
Netscape shot themselves in the foot when they made their browser into a peice of crap that didn\'t support a lot of the standards that THEY originated. MS was just in the right place at the right time.
lol. You\'re kidding right? Netscape lost, because even though it was a better browser than explorer (which blows to this day, and recently destroyed over 100 contacts in my mail contact list), it was only stable on systems OTHER than windows XX. That\'s why it really failed, explorer was just too integrated into MS\'s Operating Systems to effectively remove.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
But what attracted casuals to PSX? Sure as heck not established franchises, as their were zippo when PSX came out. No, what attracted casuals to PSX was pretty graphics, the much overrated name of Sony, and on a few games: Twisted metal, ESPN X Games, and Destruction Derby.
Eric Jacob
bah, Sony entered into a shaky market of uncertainty and dispute. Microsoft are entering into a market with an established front runner, and a veteran who has lernt from past mistakes. The market is established, and people know who they can trust. Microsoft will NOT find it as easiy to even break into the market as Sony did...netherlone dominate.
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Netscape- sucks
Explorer - sucks
Try OPERA.. ITs the best browser yet IMO!
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i think XBox has a chance, even though i do not like Micro$oft because of their past practices.
When i say that, i don\' t mean that XBox1 has a chance, but maybe XBox3, yes, just like the browser wars, M$ will release a so-so console, then they will see where they went wrong, they will improve, and like the "BORG" assimilate good technology/ideas from their competitors, and come back with a product no gamer would be without. 3 Years ago, i would laugh at anyone that told me that i would be using MS Explorer exclusively. Well 3 years later, i wouldn\'t go back to Netscape, not with their browser as is.
The only good thing about this market, is that SONY has enough money to stay in this war for a decade or more, because it would be a shame if M$ would get another monopoly going. :(
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Maybe footami is right. Lets just boycott the X-Box and hope it goes away. LOL
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Originally posted by FatalXception
lol. You\'re kidding right? Netscape lost, because even though it was a better browser than explorer (which blows to this day, and recently destroyed over 100 contacts in my mail contact list), it was only stable on systems OTHER than windows XX. That\'s why it really failed, explorer was just too integrated into MS\'s Operating Systems to effectively remove.
Netscapes been inferior for at least the last 3 versions...
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Originally posted by FatalXception
lol. You\'re kidding right? Netscape lost, because even though it was a better browser than explorer (which blows to this day, and recently destroyed over 100 contacts in my mail contact list), it was only stable on systems OTHER than windows XX. That\'s why it really failed, explorer was just too integrated into MS\'s Operating Systems to effectively remove.
No I\'m not kidding. Netscape is a peice of garbage and it is a b*tch trying to design pages that will show correctly in IE and Netscape. IE supports 99% of the standards set by the W3C and Netscape supports much less. What is weird is that they are derived from the same browser(which for the record DOES support the W3C standards) so Netscape had to go into the code and REMOVE things that actually made the browser work.
My old web design teacher said it best, "The best thing about Netscape is NOT downloading it."
BTW, I used to use Netscape on a Mac it is was a peice of trash then and is even WORSE now. IE is better on the PC and the MAC; but like someone said there are better browsers out there.
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This just in. Netscape just recently announced that they will not be making any more web browsers after thier current one. This was greeted with a great "HUZZAH!!" from web developers everywhere.
BTW, This IS true and I\'m trying to find a link.
LATE
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Originally posted by Futami
How many chances are will willing to grant the Xbox? Its games indicate no superiority over the Gamecube and PS2. It\'s received multiple chances to demonstrate how it intends to seperate itself from the PS2, to no avail. 500 million dollar AD budget can only go so far. You can\'t take a lump of doodoo and make it into a diamond, no matter how much money you pour into it.
The PS2 has been given a billion more chances than Xbox and it still has crappy software. The Xbox hasn\'t launched yet, nor are all the titles shown. There are 40 first party titles and around 15 launch titles and another 15 coming before christmas. As of right now, there is a lot we don\'t know about the Xbox. While we know everything about the PS2.
I was at E3 and I saw and played the PS2. The best game was Devil May Cry, MGS2 is okay, GT3 was outstanding on the non playable camera views, but when you play it, it looks like a PC game.
Face it Futami. PS2 should have taken this E3, but they didn\'t. Microsoft would have not taken E3 because of three main reasons... A) They were not prepared (no final hardware shown except behind closed doors and no games were using the final hardware but instead used slow emulation of graphics and soundchips. B) They were holding back their very best titles to be shown at a later time C) Its six months before launch and they want to make sure they have some awesome stuff to show laters.
Do you know how I got my tickets and my Xbox TSHIRTS? I got them from James Allard Personally. :) There is a lot of stuff you don\'t know. I Converse with Allard all the time and I try to give him suggestions on what I would do. I take a lot of feedback from boards such as this and I keep him informed.
Compared to the PSX, the PS2 is a bust...
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Originally posted by Docwiz
Do you know how I got my tickets and my Xbox TSHIRTS? I got them from James Allard Personally. :) There is a lot of stuff you don\'t know. I Converse with Allard all the time and I try to give him suggestions on what I would do. I take a lot of feedback from boards such as this and I keep him informed.
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Sorry, just had to do that. :)
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Futami
Some of your vocabulary is quite out of place. Keep in mind you are posting in a videogame forum *and not* writing a mid-term paper. Although I am sure you will do exceptionally well if you were. :D
With the question of Microsoft\'s emergence as a significant player no longer applicable, we now find ourselves confronted with the increasing prospect of the PS2 being the primary player for the next 5 years
I find it incredibly funny how you came up with this supposition. Did you draw it on E3 alone? I hate to shoot ppl\'s opinion down but if you are making this assessment base on that alone (which it seems like) then you are pretty inaccurate and not *in place* to judge the outcome of the console race.
That is my opinion of course....
I will help you paint a clearer picture of what E3 is though...
E3 = Is not for gamers to go ohh and ahhh. It\'s for companies to make sweet deals with developers, producers and retailers. That\'s the whole point of Trade-Only trade shows. And E3 is the biggest of the videogame trade shows.
Winner = Nintendo
Is Nintendo aiming at the same market as Microsoft? No
Who is their real competition? Sony.
How did Sony do? Not much better than Microsoft.
Both system failed to generate the same kind of excitement Nintendo did with the GC. In the end, the PS2 "showed more of the same" and the Xbox "had a weak showing".
Nevertheless...
If Sony did exceptionally well and Microsoft did poorly, then they should worry. Nintendo is a dark horse that wouldn\'t affect the outcome of the two consoles either way.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
But what attracted casuals to PSX? Sure as heck not established franchises, as their were zippo when PSX came out. No, what attracted casuals to PSX was pretty graphics, the much overrated name of Sony, and on a few games: Twisted metal, ESPN X Games, and Destruction Derby.
Eric Jacob
Nope dood. Final Fantasy 7 really attracted people to the PSX. Sony was battling Sega really close, then FF7 came out... and there you have it.
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
Nope dood. Final Fantasy 7 really attracted people to the PSX. Sony was battling Sega really close, then FF7 came out... and there you have it.
Uhhh, no, apparently you don\'t have it. Sony sold more PSXs at launch than Sega had Saturns up til that point (having had launched months in advance). Don\'t make up facts. Sony sold for every reason he said. Ex-N-fanboys crossed sides for FF7, not the mainstream. The mainstream was already there.
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Yup, basically what EThugg said. It took Sega ike 2 and a half years to sell 1 million consoles in America. by that time, PSX had somethng like 5 or 6 million.
BTW, it was backwards with Japan. Sega was kicking Sony\'s ass until FF went to PSX. That was basically the gist of it. All the RPGs until then were going directly to Saturn, while PSX was much neglected. In fact, until FF came out in AMerica, PSX only had 3 RPGs. Crazy, eh?
Eric Jacob