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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Solid Snake 88 on June 09, 2001, 09:32:12 PM
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I love CS but I\'m not sure if it will run on my sh1t box of a computer.
500mhz AMD K-6 2 3D (processor)
196mb RAM
Matrox MGA Mystique PCI 4mb (vid card)
???
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It will run fine. No more needs to be said really, it\'ll just run fine.
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Originally posted by Ryu
It will run fine. No more needs to be said really, it\'ll just run fine.
ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!
Thank god.
Any estimates on the FPS?
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you think your computer is a **** box, hell, compared to my PC yours is completely awesome...its really only the video card that lets your system down as far as game playing ability is. As Ryu said, it\'ll run fine.
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Really? Cool. I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now. :D
You know what a strange thing is? I have an AGP card a friend gave me but its worse than my PCI card. Maybe its just the drivers though, but I\'m not sure.
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Jebus!? u call that a **** box?
well in that case mines a **** factory.
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The only problem here I think is the video card... it doesn\'t seem to be the best and that would be the bottleneck here. I suggest you buy a cheap card like Geforce or even Voodoo3 (I have a Voodoo3 on a 466 MHz Celeron and 128 megs of RAM - runs fine). But as I said, I think the currect card will be a problem.
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as samwise said, I doubt it can run a framerate above 30 with your current vid card, get a gf2 mx, kyro II or if you a desperate a voodoo 3
EDIT
I see what video card you have its one of the old ones back in the day of voodoo1 its a powerVR based chip and it might not be supported by the game
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I was just checking out PriceWatch.com and I found a few good deals:
1. Generic Savage 2000 AGP Video Card, 64MB SDRAM, Retail Box.
Specs: 128-bit 2D & 3D 350MHz RAMDAC Texture compression S3 DirectX 6. X (S3TC) Driver. 1 Yr Warranty.
$57
2. GeForce2 MX200 64MB SDRAM AGP- mx 200 64 mb.
$68
There were a few more but those were the cheapest of that type.
What should I do? Buy one of them? Look around more? Get a used one?
I have a very limited budget right now.
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Get the Geforce 2 MX for Christ\'s sake... don\'t touch the other one. If your budget is low then buy a used card. But stick to nVidea for this one. :)
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You know, now that I think about it I think I\'ll just stick with my sh1t stick of a video card and save up some more until I can get a real vid card.
Besides, I need that money for PS2 games.
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Solid,
Go for the MX. With your processing power there\'s no point in going higher anyway.. and the MX is a good value for its price. Leagues above that Matrox junk.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by datamage
Solid,
Go for the MX. With your processing power there\'s no point in going higher anyway.. and the MX is a good value for its price. Leagues above that Matrox junk.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
Well if I was going to go for an MX I want to get an MX400.
A friend of mine has a Pentium 2 350mhz, 64mb RAM, and an MX400 64mb, and it works great. So it should run even better on mine.
The only problem is most MX400\'s I\'ve seen have been $100 and up. :(
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SS88 when you get Counter STrike IM me on AIM and I will give you an IP so we can play together... I will beat your a** lol j/k
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Originally posted by FackinKubuss
SS88 when you get Counter STrike IM me on AIM and I will give you an IP so we can play together... I will beat your a** lol j/k
n/p FackinKubass. I love to play against people I "know" (that way I get to rub it in their faces more. hehehe).
Well now I have another question:
My friend used to have a 4mb AGP card. One day he let me install CS on my comp for a while. Strange thing is, my computer is superior in just about every way compared to his (he\'s the guy with the P2 350), and yet it still ran massively better on his than on mine. I figure this has something to do with the fact that its an AGP card, which is, what, like 50x faster than PCI?
Although this is about the only thing the card has going for it compared to mine.
So a few weeks ago I installed his new card for him (a GF2 MX400 64mb) on his comp, and in return he gave me his old one (joy :rolleyes: )
So I looked over it again and again but couldn\'t find a manufacturers name. In fact the only name on the card was on a very small chip (like 3/4 of an inch) which read "Holtek". I know this isn\'t the manufacturers name because it wasn\'t on the main chip and because I know Holtek isn\'t a card manufacturer.
Also the heatsink was covering the main chip and I was afraid that if I ripped the heatsink off I might not be able to get it back on.
So I eventually got around to installing the card, only to find, to my dismay, that it didn\'t offer a name on the "Installing New Hardware" program either. The only thing it said was "Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)".
Now two things are not right about this, #1 it says PCI when the card is clearly AGP, and #2 wtf does it mean by Standard???
Anyway, I assign it drivers, ect, ect, Windows does its usual 640x480 crap, I go to Control Panel>Display>Settings and find that it won\'t allow anything higher than 640x480x16.
I know this is because it needs new drivers but I can\'t very well find new drivers when the cards manufacturer is "Standard" now can I?
Another thing is I know the card supports higher than 640x480x16 because my friend had it set to 800x600 when he was using it. Darn
Any ideas???? Please.
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I hate to do this, but.......
^ BUMP ^
Plz I need help!!
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If you don\'t know what brand/model the card is, look at your screen immediately after the PC starts up. The video card almost always displays a little line of DOS text at the top of the screen that identifies the make and model of the card. This is the FIRST thing you see, even before the Power-On-Self-Test.
If you can at least figure out what chip the card is based on, you can download the chip manufacturer\'s reference driver and use that instead of the Windows default VGA driver. The "Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)" is just one of the Default drivers that comes with Windows. It doesn\'t mean anything, except it reminds you that you have to upgrade your driver. You will never get the card into 3D mode unless you find the right manufacturer\'s driver for the card and/or chip.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
If you don\'t know what brand/model the card is, look at your screen immediately after the PC starts up. The video card almost always displays a little line of DOS text at the top of the screen that identifies the make and model of the card. This is the FIRST thing you see, even before the Power-On-Self-Test.
If you can at least figure out what chip the card is based on, you can download the chip manufacturer\'s reference driver and use that instead of the Windows default VGA driver. The "Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)" is just one of the Default drivers that comes with Windows. It doesn\'t mean anything, except it reminds you that you have to upgrade your driver. You will never get the card into 3D mode unless you find the right manufacturer\'s driver for the card and/or chip.
Ok thanks, I\'ll try that.
BTW any idea how much of a performance increase I would get using an AGP card over a PCI card?
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I can\'t make a quantifiable guess at how much improvement you\'ll experience. I would guess the difference would be noticable to a human, which is the minimum you should expect.
The AGP port is technically superior to ordinary PCI, so you should experience some improvement for that reason alone. Cards supporting AGP are generally newer than cards supporting PCI, so once again, I\'d expect some improvement.
When you figure out the make and model of the AGP card, post it here and we can compare specs.
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Well the good news is I found the manufacturer (with Sandra) of the card and got the right drivers. :D
Now I just have to upgrade the cards video BIOS (its too old). Unfortunetly I have to be in DOS mode to do it and I can\'t figure out how to get into DOS mode in Win ME. :rpissed:
More good news, I\'m getting Counter-Strike today!!
Specs on next post (not enough space)
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Specs (done by SiSoft Sandra. I think it messed up the specs a bit though.)
Matrox MGA Mystique
<< Matrox MGA Mystique >>
< Video Adapter >
Model: Matrox MGA Mystique
Total Memory: 135MB (7MB Video) (128MB AGP)
Texture Memory: 135MB
Supports DIME Texturing: Yes
Hardware Revision: 002
VESA PnP/DDC Support: Yes
Supported Refresh Rates: 60 72 75 Hz
< Video Driver >
Model ID: mgapdx64.drv
Version: 4.10.00.1682
Supported Windows Version: 4.00
Plug & Play Video Driver: Yes
Video Acceleration: Yes, All Functions
Screen Saver Active: No
Low Power Saving Active: Yes, 10 min timeout
Power Off Saving Active: Yes, 10 min timeout
< Supported Video Modes >
Windows Video Mode 0: 640x480 16 colours (4-bit)
Windows Video Mode 1: 640x480 256 colours (8-bit) at 60 61 72 75 Hz
Windows Video Mode 2: 720x480 256 colours (8-bit)
Windows Video Mode 3: 720x576 256 colours (8-bit)
Windows Video Mode 4: 800x600 256 colours (8-bit) at 60 72 75 Hz
Windows Video Mode 5: 1024x768 256 colours (8-bit) at 60 70 75 Hz
Windows Video Mode 6: 1152x864 256 colours (8-bit)
Windows Video Mode 7: 1280x1024 256 colours (8-bit) at 60 Hz
Windows Video Mode 8: 640x480 64K HiColour (16-bit) at 60 61 72 75 Hz
Windows Video Mode 9: 720x480 64K HiColour (16-bit)
Windows Video Mode 10: 720x576 64K HiColour (16-bit)
Windows Video Mode 11: 800x600 64K HiColour (16-bit) at 60 72 75 Hz
Windows Video Mode 12: 1024x768 64K HiColour (16-bit) at 60 70 75 Hz
Windows Video Mode 13: 1152x864 64K HiColour (16-bit)
Windows Video Mode 14: 1280x1024 64K HiColour (16-bit) at 60 Hz
Windows Video Mode 15: 640x480 16M TrueColour (24-bit) at 60 61 72 75 Hz
Windows Video Mode 16: 720x480 16M TrueColour (24-bit)
Windows Video Mode 17: 720x576 16M TrueColour (24-bit)
Windows Video Mode 18: 800x600 16M TrueColour (24-bit) at 60 72 75 Hz
Windows Video Mode 19: 1024x768 16M TrueColour (24-bit) at 60 70 75 Hz
< Video BIOS >
Release Date: 09/02/1998
< VESA BIOS >
Version: 2.00
VESA VBE/PM Version: 1.00
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Video Adapter: Intel740 Display Controller
Adapter Version: 1
OEM Chipset BIOS: Intel740 Super VGA
OEM BIOS Version: 1.00
Total Video Memory: 8MB
Current Video Mode: 52h
Linear Frame Buffer Address: 3488 - 3496MB
< Video Chipset >
8-bit Colour Width RAMDAC: Yes
VGA Compatible Controller: Yes
Programmed RAMDAC with Blank Bit: No
< Supported VESA Video Modes >
VESA Mode 100h: 640x400 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
250kB
VESA Mode 101h: 640x480 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
300kB
VESA Mode 103h: 800x600 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
468kB
VESA Mode 105h: 1024x768 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
768kB
VESA Mode 107h: 1280x1024 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
1.3MB
VESA Mode 110h: 640x480 15-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
600kB
VESA Mode 111h: 640x480 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
600kB
VESA Mode 112h: 640x480 24-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
900kB
VESA Mode 113h: 800x600 15-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
937kB
VESA Mode 114h: 800x600 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
937kB
VESA Mode 115h: 800x600 24-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
1.4MB
VESA Mode 116h: 1024x768 15-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
1.5MB
VESA Mode 117h: 1024x768 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
1.5MB
VESA Mode 118h: 1024x768 24-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
2.3MB
VESA Mode 119h: 1280x1024 15-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
2.5MB
VESA Mode 11Ah: 1280x1024 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
2.5MB
VESA Mode 11Ch: 1600x1200 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
1.8MB
VESA Mode 10Eh: 320x200 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
125kB
VESA Mode 10Fh: 320x200 24-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
187kB
VESA Mode 11Dh: 320x200 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
62kB
VESA Mode 11Eh: 320x240 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
75kB
VESA Mode 11Fh: 320x240 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
150kB
VESA Mode 120h: 320x240 24-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
225kB
VESA Mode 121h: 400x300 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
117kB
VESA Mode 122h: 400x300 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
234kB
VESA Mode 123h: 400x300 24-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
351kB
VESA Mode 124h: 512x384 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
192kB
VESA Mode 125h: 512x384 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
384kB
VESA Mode 126h: 512x384 24-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
576kB
VESA Mode 127h: 640x400 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
500kB
VESA Mode 128h: 640x400 24-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
750kB
VESA Mode 136h: 1152x864 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
972kB
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< Enhanced Video Settings >
Animation Effects Enabled: Yes
Full Windows Drag Enabled: No
Font Smoothing Enabled: No
HighContrast Feature On: No
Screen Reader Active: No
< Video Mode Characteristics >
Physical Screen Width: 211 mm, 8 in
Physical Screen Height: 158 mm, 6 in
Recommended Monitor Size: 14 in
Horizontal/Vertical Resolution: 96x96 dpi
Colour Bits/Planes: 24 / 1 bit(s) per pixel
Brushes: 4294967295
Pens: 4294967295
Device Colours: 4294967295
Pixel Width/Height/Diagonal: 36 / 36 / 51
< Video Driver Clipping Capabilities >
Can Clip Output to Rectangle: Yes
Can Clip Output to Region: No
< Video Driver Raster Capabilities >
Supports Banding: No
Supports Fonts Larger than 64K: Yes
Can Transfer Bitmaps: Yes
Supports Bitmaps Larger than 64K: Yes
Supports Device Bitmaps: Yes
Supports DIBs: Yes
DIBs on Device Surface: Yes
Flood Fills: No
Supports Windows 2.00: Yes
Stretch/Compress Bitmaps: Yes
Stretch/Compress DIBs: Yes
Supports Scaling: No
Palette-Based Device: No
Saves Bitmap Locally: Yes
< Video Driver Curve Capabilities >
Can Draw Circles: No
Can Draw Ellipses: No
Can Draw Pie Wedges: No
Can Draw Chord Arcs: No
Can Draw Wide Borders: No
Can Draw Styled Borders: No
Can Draw Wide, Styled Borders: No
Can Draw Rounded Rectangles: No
Can Draw Interiors: No
< Video Driver Line Capabilities >
Can Draw Polylines: Yes
Can Draw Styled Lines: Yes
Can Draw Wide Lines: No
Can Draw Wide, Styled Lines: No
Can Draw Markers: No
Can Draw Polymarkers: No
Can Draw Interiors: No
< Video Driver Polygonal Capabilities >
Can Draw Alternate-fill Polygons: No
Can Draw Winding-fill Polygons: No
Can Draw Rectangles: Yes
Can Draw Scan Lines: Yes
Can Draw Wide Borders: No
Can Draw Styled Borders: No
Can Draw Wide, Styled Borders: No
Can Draw Interiors: Yes
< Video Driver Text Capabilities >
Supports Stroke Clip Precision: Yes
Supports Stroke Output Precision: No
Supports Character Output Precision: No
Supports 90° Character Rotation: No
Supports Any Angle Character Rotation:No
Supports Independent X-Y Scaling: No
Supports Doubled Character for Scalin:No
Supports Integer Multiples for Scalin:No
Any Multiples for Exact Scaling: No
Can Draw Double-Weighted Characters: No
Can Italicize: No
Can Underline: No
Can Draw Strikeouts: No
Can Draw Raster Fonts: Yes
Can Draw Vector Fonts: No
Cannot Scroll Using BitBlt: No
Thats it.
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New Card (Intel740 Graphics Accelerator
<< Intel740 Win9x PV4.0 >>
< Video Adapter >
Model: Intel740 Win9x PV4.0
Total Memory: 135MB (7MB Video) (128MB AGP)
Texture Memory: 135MB
Supports DIME Texturing: Yes
Hardware Revision: 033
VESA PnP/DDC Support: Yes
< Current Video Mode >
Video Mode: 800x600 16M TrueColour (24-bit)
Vertical Refresh Rate: Adapter Default
< Video Driver >
Model ID: gfxdrv.drv
Version: 4.11.01.2719
Supported Windows Version: 4.00
Plug & Play Video Driver: Yes
Video Acceleration: Yes, All Functions
Screen Saver Active: No
Low Power Saving Active: Yes, 10 min timeout
Power Off Saving Active: Yes, 10 min timeout
< Supported Video Modes >
Windows Video Mode 0: 640x480 16 colours (4-bit)
Windows Video Mode 1: 640x480 256 colours (8-bit) at 60,75,85Hz
Windows Video Mode 2: 720x480 256 colours (8-bit) at 75,85Hz
Windows Video Mode 3: 720x576 256 colours (8-bit) at 75,85Hz
Windows Video Mode 4: 800x600 256 colours (8-bit) at 56,60,75,85Hz
Windows Video Mode 5: 1024x768 256 colours (8-bit) at 60,75,85Hz
Windows Video Mode 6: 1152x864 256 colours (8-bit) at 60,75,85Hz
Windows Video Mode 7: 1280x1024 256 colours (8-bit) at 60,75,85Hz
Windows Video Mode 8: 640x480 64K HiColour (16-bit)
Windows Video Mode 9: 720x480 64K HiColour (16-bit)
Windows Video Mode 10: 720x576 64K HiColour (16-bit)
Windows Video Mode 11: 800x600 64K HiColour (16-bit)
Windows Video Mode 12: 1024x768 64K HiColour (16-bit)
Windows Video Mode 13: 1152x864 64K HiColour (16-bit)
Windows Video Mode 14: 1280x1024 64K HiColour (16-bit)
Windows Video Mode 15: 640x480 16M TrueColour (24-bit)
Windows Video Mode 16: 720x480 16M TrueColour (24-bit)
Windows Video Mode 17: 720x576 16M TrueColour (24-bit)
Windows Video Mode 18: 800x600 16M TrueColour (24-bit)
Windows Video Mode 19: 1024x768 16M TrueColour (24-bit)
< Video BIOS >
Release Date: 09/02/1998
< VESA BIOS >
Version: 2.00
VESA VBE/PM Version: 1.00
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Video Adapter: Intel740 Display Controller
Adapter Version: 1
OEM Chipset BIOS: Intel740 Super VGA
OEM BIOS Version: 1.00
Total Video Memory: 8MB
Current Video Mode: 52h
Linear Frame Buffer Address: 3488 - 3496MB
< Video Chipset >
8-bit Colour Width RAMDAC: Yes
VGA Compatible Controller: Yes
Programmed RAMDAC with Blank Bit: No
< Supported VESA Video Modes >
VESA Mode 100h: 640x400 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
250kB
VESA Mode 101h: 640x480 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
300kB
VESA Mode 103h: 800x600 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
468kB
VESA Mode 105h: 1024x768 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
768kB
VESA Mode 107h: 1280x1024 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
1.3MB
VESA Mode 110h: 640x480 15-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
600kB
VESA Mode 111h: 640x480 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
600kB
VESA Mode 112h: 640x480 24-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
900kB
VESA Mode 113h: 800x600 15-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
937kB
VESA Mode 114h: 800x600 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
937kB
VESA Mode 115h: 800x600 24-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
1.4MB
VESA Mode 116h: 1024x768 15-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
1.5MB
VESA Mode 117h: 1024x768 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
1.5MB
VESA Mode 118h: 1024x768 24-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
2.3MB
VESA Mode 119h: 1280x1024 15-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
2.5MB
VESA Mode 11Ah: 1280x1024 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
2.5MB
VESA Mode 11Ch: 1600x1200 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
1.8MB
VESA Mode 10Eh: 320x200 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
125kB
VESA Mode 10Fh: 320x200 24-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
187kB
VESA Mode 11Dh: 320x200 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
62kB
VESA Mode 11Eh: 320x240 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
75kB
VESA Mode 11Fh: 320x240 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
150kB
VESA Mode 120h: 320x240 24-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
225kB
VESA Mode 121h: 400x300 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
117kB
VESA Mode 122h: 400x300 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
234kB
VESA Mode 123h: 400x300 24-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
351kB
VESA Mode 124h: 512x384 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
192kB
VESA Mode 125h: 512x384 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
384kB
VESA Mode 126h: 512x384 24-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
576kB
VESA Mode 127h: 640x400 16-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
500kB
VESA Mode 128h: 640x400 24-bit, Direct, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
750kB
VESA Mode 136h: 1152x864 8-bit, Packed, Graphics, BIOS_Out, Linear,
972kB
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