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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: tHe GaMe on June 12, 2001, 08:21:28 AM
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I was watching TechLive and some other business channels. And they were talking about the gaming industry, this is what I heard from TechLive yesterday.
"It\'s going to take more than a 1 Billion Dollar campaign to steal both Nintendo and Sony\'s shining light." A quote from a analyst. I wonder what he meant about that.
From watching many business programs yesterday:
Anyways, they mention that Sony right now is the number one console in the gaming world, and will remain that way for the remaining years. They also said that Microsoft needs to focus more on Nintendo than Sony, becuz the Gameboy Advance launch is a very very good lead in to the Gamecube launch, and that with the Gameboy Advance being sooooo sucessful it will give the Nintendo a very big leaverage come November. They also said that Sony does not need to do anything at this point in time, infact they don\'t have to do anything this year, or the year after that. Playstation 2 is selling very well on it\'s on, and when competition does arrive they only need to spend a couple of millions on advertising games not the console.
This is preliminary:
Current Market:
Here is the console market:
Sony: 65%
Nintendo: 25%
Sega: 10%
Here is the handheld market:
Nintedno:100%
My predicition:
In the Market for 2002, Sony will have gunnered almost the entire market due to the Playstation 2.
Sony: 75%
Nintendo: 15%
Mircosoft: 10%
Question: Can anyone stop Sony in the next generation
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Nothing can stop Sony this generation. Simple and very true.
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Nothing can stop Sony this generation. That might be true, but can something slow them down? Yes, I certainly believe so: Nintendo and Microsoft. I find a 75% Sony share very hard to believe... but come next year(s) and we shall see. :)
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Originally posted by Samwise
Nothing can stop Sony this generation. That might be true, but can something slow them down? Yes, I certainly believe so: Nintendo and Microsoft. I find a 75% Sony share very hard to believe... but come next year(s) and we shall see. :)
I think nothing can slow them down, they are hot on a trail.
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Hmm..
Intresting.. I agree with most of what they said..
But I think sony really need to lower the price of PS2.. In november.. That would sell alot more consoles, and make the userbase bigger..
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Originally posted by fastson
Hmm..
Intresting.. I agree with most of what they said..
But I think sony really need to lower the price of PS2.. In november.. That would sell alot more consoles, and make the userbase bigger..
im sure they will, although some quotes say they wont.
they would need to and if they did,,, do you know how many people are waiting for the ps2 to drop its price before buying it?
alot of people i know at least:D
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Originally posted by fastson
Hmm..
Intresting.. I agree with most of what they said..
But I think sony really need to lower the price of PS2.. In november.. That would sell alot more consoles, and make the userbase bigger..
That would be a good suggestion.
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Sony is far from invincible. Microsoft is going to be a success in the US IMO that is pretty much a given. If MS can succeed in putting their console in international gamer\'s homes then they will be a much larger threat. Nintendo IMO has a huge advantage due to their GBA. Like many people have said it is their "trojan horse". As a matter of fact on the back of the US GBA box there is a picture dead center showing the interactivity between the handheld and the console. This could be used to shoot Nintendo\'s userbase through the roof. I am not saying that this going to happen; but it may and Sony and their PS2 are FAR from invincible. PEACE AND LOVE
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Sony can be slowed down rather easy. MS could do it in the US, but international I think it will be Nintendo who slows Sony down.
If Nintendo can get the mature products out, that they have promised gamers, and keep them comin\' during this generation, all the while they cater to people with classic franchises like Zelda, Mario, Metriod then that could very well sell ALOT of units and slow Sony down. It is a given that Nintendo will be a huge success at launch, it is just a matter of how they deal with everything after launch.
Another factor, that could slow Sony down is the release of the HD. If it is a failure, I think alot of Sony fans will be upset, just like with the 32X or any other add-on situation.
In short; Sony probably won this generation. But that doesn\'t mean one company can\'t start the turn around for the next generation.
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My predicition:
In the Market for 2002, Sony will have gunnered almost the entire market due to the Playstation 2.
Sony: 75%
Nintendo: 15%
Mircosoft: 10%
Question: Can anyone stop Sony in the next generation
Would someone please smack the game in the head for his fanboyism. He even forgot to mention Nintendo in the title of this thread which startles me since they were clearly mentioned in that article too. As for the 75% thing...no chance. With two stronger oppenents this time around that number will decrease.
Like Gohan said, Sony is not invincible, and they never will be. For all we know Microsoft could win the console war. Your laughing aren\'t you? Probably, but any gaming analyst would laugh at the thought of PSX out-selling N64 2:1. See the point? You can\'t make assumptions on who will win the war right now, it\'s idiotic.
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True Jumpman, like someone can easily stop Microsoft from dominating the PC operating system market.
Sony has already won, just like Microsoft has won the PC market.
Except in this market you have a choice, instead of it being thrown infront of u.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Sony can be slowed down rather easy. MS could do it in the US, but international I think it will be Nintendo who slows Sony down.
If Nintendo can get the mature products out, that they have promised gamers, and keep them comin\' during this generation, all the while they cater to people with classic franchises like Zelda, Mario, Metriod then that could very well sell ALOT of units and slow Sony down. It is a given that Nintendo will be a huge success at launch, it is just a matter of how they deal with everything after launch.
Another factor, that could slow Sony down is the release of the HD. If it is a failure, I think alot of Sony fans will be upset, just like with the 32X or any other add-on situation.
In short; Sony probably won this generation. But that doesn\'t mean one company can\'t start the turn around for the next generation.
If Microsoft were to ever win the next generation the console market will be damage, becuz if they can have a dominate role in the PC industry, just look what they can do to the console market. The billion dollar campaign is a buyout to the gaming industry. They want to buy there way into victory, but that isn\'t going to happen. Like the VP of Sony said "Those next generation consoles pose no threat to the PS2." Once Microsoft gains the console market, say goodbye to competition.
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Originally posted by tHe GaMe
True Jumpman, like someone can easily stop Microsoft from dominating the PC operating system market.
Sony has already won, just like Microsoft has won the PC market.
Except in this market you have a choice, instead of it being thrown infront of u.
Sony has not won anything, yet. Would we say that Country A won the war because they had their troops on the battlefield and they were blowing stuff up yet Country B and C were on their way to the Battlefield? How about a fight? If Tyson was in the ring fighting before his opponent entered the ring would anyone say the Tyson has already won the fight? No, because that would be premature and at best a guess. Now I am not saying that they are not in a good position but they are not untouchable. Why is that so hard to understand? If Sony already has this generation locked up why is this only being announced by Sony Execs and Sony fanboys in message boards? BAH
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Originally posted by Gohan
Sony has not won anything, yet. Would we say that Country A won the war because they had their troops on the battlefield and they were blowing stuff up yet Country B and C were on their way to the Battlefield? How about a fight? If Tyson was in the ring fighting before his opponent entered the ring would anyone say the Tyson has already won the fight? No, because that would be premature and at best a guess. Now I am not saying that they are not in a good position but they are not untouchable. Why is that so hard to understand? If Sony already has this generation locked up why is this only being announced by Sony Execs and Sony fanboys in message boards? BAH
You are right, they are not invicible, maybe I was wrong for saying that.
But do not expect Microsoft to gain everything that this market offers. You know Microsoft likes to buy things, and they will try to do the same here, why do u think they are soooooo confident.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Would someone please smack the game in the head for his fanboyism. He even forgot to mention Nintendo in the title of this thread which startles me since they were clearly mentioned in that article too. As for the 75% thing...no chance. With two stronger oppenents this time around that number will decrease.
Like Gohan said, Sony is not invincible, and they never will be. For all we know Microsoft could win the console war. Your laughing aren\'t you? Probably, but any gaming analyst would laugh at the thought of PSX out-selling N64 2:1. See the point? You can\'t make assumptions on who will win the war right now, it\'s idiotic.
For once I agree with you jumpman. Its looking very good for sony winning but there no guartnee. Heck, 6 years ago if you told me ps1 would beat sega and nintendo I would have laughed. So they shouldn\'t be so quick to underesitmated M$.
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Too say that sony is unstopable is yet fanboyish and ignorant. These analyst know nothing. PS2 has yet to be proven the best console gamers can have. So for these so called specialist to be saying such things makes you wonder even more how do these ppl get there jobs. It is already a given that Xbox is strongest console. With gamecube falling right behind. Nintendo knows how to make games and appeal to their audience and this time in the next gen race they are not plague with a cartridge problem. I expect to see nintendo games better than I have seen before. Sony only knows how to make one good game and that is gt3. Nintndo has shown they can survive and make money on their own, but know they have better hardware and better support. Sony needs to watch out.
Second I advise them not to be so ****y when it comes to Microsoft. The name alone breed dominance. It proven they have the strongest console in the next gen race. And the exclusive xbox game list gets more impressive with each game that is announced. Sony needs to stop sitting around being ****y and makes some decent first party games, because GT is not enough when you look at Nintendo and what Microsoft is trying to do. Nintendo has it games and Mircrosoft is building thiers and the games are looking nice. I advise sony to fire 989 and hire some better developers and give us some better first party games.
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Sony HAS won. But how did they win? THey won by coming into this market dominated by Nintendo and Sega and surpassing both in quantity/quality. That was a few years ago.
"To be the man, you got to beat the man"
And right now Sony is the man. They have to do absolutely nothing but keep on keeping on.
And before you guys start running your mouths about "what a fanboy" theGame is, you need to realize he posted an article from another source. HE DIDN\'T WRITE IT SO STOP INSULTING HIM. People go around shouting at others for something they didn\'t even do. STUP-ID.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Sony HAS won. But how did they win? THey won by coming into this market dominated by Nintendo and Sega and surpassing both in quantity/quality. That was a few years ago.
"To be the man, you got to beat the man"
And right now Sony is the man. They have to do absolutely nothing but keep on keeping on.
And before you guys start running your mouths about "what a fanboy" theGame is, you need to realize he posted an article from another source. HE DIDN\'T WRITE IT SO STOP INSULTING HIM. People go around shouting at others for something they didn\'t even do. STUP-ID.
I agree with what your saying and the most annoying fanboys are nintendos. Oh yeah I liked the way you added the part in with "To be the man you have to beat the man". Sounds like ric flair to me whhooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
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opps wrong thread
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One systems been out for just over a year, the other 2 aren\'t even out. Only a moron (that\'s your que GaMe and TechTV) would be calling a winner.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Sony HAS won. But how did they win? THey won by coming into this market dominated by Nintendo and Sega and surpassing both in quantity/quality. That was a few years ago.
"To be the man, you got to beat the man"
And right now Sony is the man. They have to do absolutely nothing but keep on keeping on.
And before you guys start running your mouths about "what a fanboy" theGame is, you need to realize he posted an article from another source. HE DIDN\'T WRITE IT SO STOP INSULTING HIM. People go around shouting at others for something they didn\'t even do. STUP-ID.
Well said!!
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Sony will do well that I am sure. Lemmings all over again. But just because its popular doesn\'t mean its quality. Thats the sad thing about it. The PS2 may win the console wars and sony may win until 3000 A.D, but the consumer will suffer.
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Just like all the other half assed products out there DOCWIZ, yet the average consumer never even realizes it.
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Originally posted by Docwiz
Sony will do well that I am sure. Lemmings all over again. But just because its popular doesn\'t mean its quality. Thats the sad thing about it. The PS2 may win the console wars and sony may win until 3000 A.D, but the consumer will suffer.
I don\'t know about you DOC, but I\'m pretty sure Joe Schmoe will enjoy Twisted Metal: Black, Metal Gear Solid 2, Silent Hill 2, Devil May Cry, Gran Turismo 3 etc. etc. No one says you have to buy crap titles - you can just buy the good ones. Yes, PS2 has good titles now and lots more to come. The sad thing is if you miss out on that because of your blind hatred. Ignorance isn\'t limited to Sony fans you know. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by raslant
I agree with what your saying and the most annoying fanboys are nintendos.
I could take offense to that, being that I like Nintendo\'s stuff the best... But then I figure if we\'re going to have fanboys, why not just piss everyone off and have the most annoying ones at the same time? ;] Besides that, you\'re right, heh.
On topic, I\'m pulling for a Nintendo victory in this one. While the GCN has sold me on a GBA, I\'m sure it could work the other way around as well. Franchises will sell systems, too. So will upstarts like Eternal Darkness. So will the name Nintendo. So will Nintendo\'s marketing.
They\'ve got a lot going on, and I think it might be enough to stay on top of Microsoft who can\'t match a number of those things. Will it be enough to topple Sony? That\'s tough, but personally I feel their stock has dropped in the public eye after launch (and many of the following months) being mired with shortages and problems.
I think each console will enjoy life, at least for awhile until one might get weeded out or at least decreased to being the obvious loser in the battle for marketshare. (My guess is Microsoft in that respect. It\'s just a feeling; I\'m not going to support it...) But in the end I think the market as a whole is going to enjoy a great period of growth in the coming years.
-Eik
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
I could take offense to that, being that I like Nintendo\'s stuff the best... But then I figure if we\'re going to have fanboys, why not just piss everyone off and have the most annoying ones at the same time? ;] Besides that, you\'re right, heh.
On topic, I\'m pulling for a Nintendo victory in this one. While the GCN has sold me on a GBA, I\'m sure it could work the other way around as well. Franchises will sell systems, too. So will upstarts like Eternal Darkness. So will the name Nintendo. So will Nintendo\'s marketing.
They\'ve got a lot going on, and I think it might be enough to stay on top of Microsoft who can\'t match a number of those things. Will it be enough to topple Sony? That\'s tough, but personally I feel their stock has dropped in the public eye after launch (and many of the following months) being mired with shortages and problems.
I think each console will enjoy life, at least for awhile until one might get weeded out or at least decreased to being the obvious loser in the battle for marketshare. (My guess is Microsoft in that respect. It\'s just a feeling; I\'m not going to support it...) But in the end I think the market as a whole is going to enjoy a great period of growth in the coming years.
-Eik
Sorry I didn\'t mean to offened you. I\'m not talking about you personally.
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Originally posted by raslant
Sorry I didn\'t mean to offened you. I\'m not talking about you personally.
Nah it\'s cool. In my own roundabout way, I was actually agreeing with you. ;] Thanks, though.
-Eik
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I agree Eik.
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On a personal note, I think Microsoft needs to seriously carve out a user-base and fast.
Sony/Nintendo have their target audience. Most of the games, that aren\'t franchises, that hit Sony systems won\'t ever make it to a Sega/Nintendo machine simply b/c of their intended audience. And vice-versa.
Microsoft is either going to have to find a new target market or re-define one.
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This is the Micro$oft plan:
1) Sell as many Xboxes as posible in North-America.
2) Try to sell at least 3 million in Japan.
3) Copy all succesful features/games and bring them over to their Xbox franchise.
4) Come out with improved XBox every 3 years. (Make sure it is backwards compatible)
The Xbox might not be a hit this year, but with lots of money from M$ it is just a matter of time before they bring better product to market. (It might never be perfect though) :D
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Many people think that the problem with the XBox if they only do well in North America, is that they go the way of Dreamcast. Sega\'s last system was the only Japanese-made console that sold better in North America than in its homeland. The thing is that this time it will be an American-made system that will most likely do well in its home country. Although I have a hard time seeing FULL support from Japan, I think Microsoft won\'t do too badly. Then again, they\'ll have a tough time this Christmas going against Nintendo\'s new machine too. It\'ll be hard, but hopefully we\'ll see both pull through to challenge Sony\'s success in 2002.
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It might never be perfect though
So just what is the perfect console???(didn\'t know htere was one)
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Nothing can stop Sony this generation. Simple and very true.
I like the confidence, yet ****y attitude Sony is displaying right now.
LONDON--Microsoft\'s Xbox games console is \'\'finished,\'\' Ken Kutaragi, president of Sony Computer Entertainment, told the Financial Times.
\'\'Microsoft was finished before it even got started,\'\' Kutaragi said. \'\'They have no games\'\' and \'\'retailers in the US are already disappointed.\'\'
It kind of remind me of Sega\'s attitude with the Saturn back in 93\'. :D
Here\'s a little tidbit the Sony camp didn\'t take into consideration. Microsoft is focusing 2-3 years down the road and not at launch.
- PSX didn\'t start leading until the 3-4 year.
- Genesis = 3 years
- SNES = 4 years
Guys let\'s paint a clearer picture shall we....
They have the first party and exclusives to build a strong following off of...
Unreal Championship
ODD world
DOA3
Gun Valken
Jet Set R F
Panzer Dragoon
Gun Metal
Amped
Project Ego
Project Gotham
Halo
Blood wake
Then.....
They have the 3rd party support. As I am aware these are the biggest players in their corner..
EA = 12 games
Namco = 2 *new* games. 6 online games.
Capcom = 2 exclusives
Konami = MGSX and Silent Hill X
Sega = 11 titles. 4 exclusives.
When you look closely at the games that are going to be released on the system, it is astounding how many *big* PS2 franchises are making their way onto the Xbox.
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The 1 billion advertising campaign.
- The reason why the PS2 was so successful at launch was because of hype.
- The DC with its 100 million dollar advertising push was able to pull away with "the most successful launch ever" (for its time) even though it had a bad stigma.
What does this all prove? Hype sells! Americans buy into hype like a giddy lil kid at a candy store.
Here is a quick excerpt:
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FuncoLand and others report mass ps2 trade-ins
Financial Times May 31st, 2001
New York- In an article in todays FI, FuncoLand and other used game traders have reported a mad rush from ps2 owners to try to pawn their systems. A spokesman for the company said they received close to 26,000 request nationwide for quotes on ps2 trade-ins. The reason? "It\'s most likely the announcement that some companies are abandoning their ps2 game plans for the upcoming Xbox" John Rushkin said. " I believe by next year the ps2 line-up will shrivel up and Gamecube and Xbox will dominate".
When asked to comment a Microsoft spokesman confirmed that they are in the negotiating process with game develoment companies that are now making ps2 games to join them when their contract ends this year. "If all goes according to trends ps2 will be remembered as the biggest flop and shortest lived system in history" Larry Dousin of Gamedome said. "And if companies see Xbox doing well and ps2 fading, like it will most likely do, They too will leave the Sony train and jump over to the Xbox".
"It does\'nt look good for Sony and ps2" Larry exclaimed " They rushed out that system, made it unfriendly for developers, and never thought of the result."
"I bought a ps2 myself and I cant wait for Xbox, Ill probably use the ps2 to hold up the shelf in my den."
-Jerry Krause USA Today Online
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The article is quite biased but it is evident the hype has already started.
Then
The prospect of Square on board is very strong. Although nothing has been official yet, it is a good supposition nevertheless. Why do I believe this? Well there are a lot of reasons, but one thing that has caught my attention lately was Sakaguchi, the father of the Final Fantasy series, publicly said "he was interested in bringing the series to *all* platforms so everyone can enjoy the game."
Would it be reasonable to conclude the bad stigma the Xbox is having over in Japan be washed away once Square is on board? You bet!
Couple with Square...
The developement of 100+ Japanese games by various developers (whether they are stinkers or great games I don\'t know) over the next 5 years more than staple the Xbox as a serious contender overseas.
Let\'s hope they really get Square.
Then
Online gaming!
Having the modem and the hard drive out of the box will surely attract more online users to the Xbox.
Both the GC and PS2 requires an add on. Add ons confuse the consumers, dillutes the buyers, and even if those companies come up with some sophisticated marketing ploy, they would have a hard time gaining widespread acceptance.
The bb market right now is too small to break in, but who knows how it will be like 2-3 years from now. Maybe with the push of the next PSO and FF online can certainly draw more users.
Nonetheless, down the line, I think the Xbox will be the only contender with the strongest online push out of the three.
Three reasons:
- PC developers
- Marketing power
- BB and hard drive straight out of the box
Then
Developement for the PS2 is very hard.
Capcom has stated publicly it is displeased with the PS2 environment. Many developers have sweated blood just to finish a project and it is not a secret that the system is one of the most complicated ever made. Of course, there is some grace at the end of the tunnel, but in the end many are overwhelm with the amount of work they have to put in to finish a given project versus the advantages it delivers.
Enter Xbox.
Ease of developement on the system has enable it to already surpass 2nd generation PS2 games graphically (DOA 3). This is all 5 months prior to launch. If such a quick graphical task was able to be attain in such a short amount of time, can you imagine how things will be 2-3 years from now?
The potential of the system is further more coercive with its powerful chip, and architecture. Here is a quote from Tecmo:
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Itagaki was first asked to address the issue of Dead or Alive 3 for the PS2 and GameCube. It is technically impossible," he stated, continuing with "The [graphics] quality would drop." Itagaki believes that the Xbox can achieve four to five times the performance of current machines. His team wants to make the number one fighting game, and won\'t consider a downgraded version. "If DOA appears on another platform," commented Itagaki, "it won\'t be DOA3, but perhaps another title.
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The graphical difference between the two consoles will be quite evident. Not only is the PS2 hard to program for, it is less powerful than the Xbox. This in the long run will bridge a greater gap in terms of "graphical differences" amidst the two system.
In closure.
If you add all that up and take into consideration the kind of push Microsoft is giving the system, the prospect of Square, the ease of developement, the attainment of some of the best PS2 franchise, a strong internet infrastructure, a highly potential exclusive/1st party base, the kind of impact a 1 billion ad campaign can do, and give Microsoft a window of 2-3 years....
In your honest answer....
Do you think they have a chance? Is there potential?
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there are too many PS2 fanboys in here taking potshots at the system, so I feel a certain obligation to stick to its side.
That\'s the exact reason why i started to post in console debating 4 months ago. Although let me say this T-Shirt you should have seen how bad people here disliked the xbox long ago. Anyhow many people here now have lighten-up to XBOX, so it\'s nice to see.
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Message only for t-shirt to read(even though i say this I know you guys are going to read it)
Hey T-Shirt listen, I understand you and I both share the same preference in consoles, but let me give you a word of advice. This coming in here and posting all these good solid points about XBOX superiority to PS2 isn\'t the best approach. When I first came here into console debating, I too was frustrated with all the BULL**** people here were posting about the console, so that really got me motivated to give a piece of my mind on the issue, so with that I begin with posting long threads on the xbox, backed up with links and quotes etc.... Also I defended the XBOX whenever someone posted BS about it. Man you should have seen some of the threads people started regarding the XBOX, makes me laugh today, **** like XBOX will cost $800, xbox will fail cause japan does not like it,, XBOX sucks cause it\'s too big, XBOX is weak cause it has a Plll chip etc..... . Was it worth it, well I still do not regret it, but people here really don’t care in general, why well first off this is a psx2 forum, second people have made there choice of ps2 and don\'t care for people coming in here making it seem like there choice of console was not the best(not saying your doing that, but some might take it as an offence). One more thing like I said earlier people here are not so anti-xbox as before, so it really is not necessary to throw all your might and passion into your threads, people here are listening, there is a lot of good people here in this forums, granted they have different opinion and views, but hey that’s what makes this console debating.. I think I said this before can’t remember if I did, but I really ENJOY reading your threads. You have a fresh perspective on this thing .
I may not have been perfect myself in here sometimes, heck I admit it, there were a few times were I got a little out of hand, but many others here are guilty of the same. Every time something positive was mentioned of XBOX (which in other words further exemplified it\'s superiority) someone tried to make it look like nothing special. Reminds me of the time when XBOX was officially announced to have DD 5.1 decoding for games, people came in here saying, it was not possible for it to do it, or who needs DD 5.1 for games etc.... LOL
Anyhow I’m rambling big-time, but listen all I have to say T-shirt is don\'t get to worked up on the whole XBOX thing( not saying you have but letting you know ahead of time) or else you will be called a fanboy or even better a troll.
PS. watch people come in here and bash the hell out of me for writing this, I say let it be, cause this message or post is directed to T-shirt only. Oh and T-shirt tell me if I’m making sense, as I am drink at the this particular moment, well not to drunk, but hey it’s really hot out here, and my air conditioner is broken.
Hey mods why are the pm\'s not working.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
PS. watch people come in here and bash the hell out of me for writing this, I say let it be, cause this message or post is directed to T-shirt only. Oh and T-shirt tell me if I’m making sense, as I am drink at the this particular moment, well not to drunk, but hey it’s really hot out here, and my air conditioner is broken.
Yep, I read it. :) There is no reason to bash you for saying what you did. You were actually helping Tshirts get a better idea of what these forums are like. This forum is not like certain Nintendo forums I\'ve been to where everybody is completely clueless about everything except for the NGC. Some people at those forums are even clueless about the NGC :) They support it just because it\'s Nintendo and they have sworn allegiance to Nintendo.
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This forum is not like certain Nintendo forums I\'ve been to where everybody is completely clueless about everything except for the NGC
No your right, like I said this is a Good forum. Myself I only only hang aroung two game forums out of all the forums on the net.
My favourite forum is PSX2 Central
my second is MSXBOX Though i barely go to msxbox, I think it\'s a nice forum, the best XBOX forums out there, but two many people there, alot of spam etc...
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TheOgodlyThing
Thanx for the advice! :D
Anyhow I’m rambling big-time, but listen all I have to say T-shirt is don\'t get to worked up on the whole XBOX thing( not saying you have but letting you know ahead of time) or else you will be called a fanboy or even better a troll.
Haha........
I really don\'t care if I am labeled a "troll" or "fanboy". I will try my best to present myself in a neutral manner and back up all my statements with objectivity, and verity.
Of course....
Thanx for the fair warning.
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hey Tshirts what gives witht he name, I kind of like it. Where did you get it from?