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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: tHe GaMe on June 12, 2001, 07:35:08 PM
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What should the next Playstation be called:
Playstation 3 - PS3
Playstation Cell - PSC
Playstation 3 Cell - PS3C
There is no doubt this system is going to rule 1,000 times more powerful than the PS2, rumored to be voice activated "You can turn it off with your voice".
Backwards compatible with:
PS1
PS2
Damn, all those generations. God Sony is Good.
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Ah ok.
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i probably wont be alive in 2005...
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Its alittle to far off to get to excited about
but with IBM, Toshiba and Sony working together and investing 400 million between them you know the chip will be pretty high tech
only 4 + years to go
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It can play PS 1,2 games? Right on!! I like it to be called, PS3. :D
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I don\'t care about the "PS3." I care about the PS2. :)
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I like the playstation 3 cell that sounds cool.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
...but with IBM, Toshiba and Sony working together and investing 400 million between them you know the chip will be pretty high tech only 4 + years to go
I\'m gonna hate myself for asking this...but with this kinda dollar figure related to the development of the chipset...could it be true that the Devil, um, pardon me, Bill Gates, is actually going to have MS invest 1 billion beans to market the X box? Have I read that right somewhere recently??? Egads!
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i posted a thread about this a whiille back.
"Cell" is the name of the processor that IBM, Sony, & Toshiba are going to develope during these 5 years, it should be 1000 times more powerful than the PS2.
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Originally posted by unknown
i posted a thread about this a whiille back.
"Cell" is the name of the processor that IBM, Sony, & Toshiba are going to develope during these 5 years, it should be 1000 times more powerful than the PS2.
A thousand times more powerful a thousand times more expensive :(
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Definatly PS3 - Did you just make up PS Cell?
Thats crap. What are they gonna make the system look like, a bubble?
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the "cell"will indeed be called PS3 sony already trademarked the logo which is a slight variation on the PS2 logo
it will come out in 2005
it will be backward compatible with all previous playstation systems
it will be AT LEAST 1000 times more powerful and not more expensive* below
and yes bill gate its using a a lot of money to push xbox just to make more(i already seen a tv commercial for it)
the reason PS3 will not be more expensive is this...
technology advances in 5 years the chip will be cheaper and easier to make remember back in the day we payed 40 and 50 dollars for snes and genesis games? perfect example
intel recently found a way to stretch silicon and shink transistors and they claim by 2007 they can market a 20GHz chip easily and priced near todays equivelent price
so it will not be more expensive at all in 5 years ps2 technology will not be what it is today(look at PS1)
what ps1 was 5 years ago was amazing now you are used to playing ps2 ps1 games are almost unbearable
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hmm....who gives a flying rats ass...tell me this information in four years time and ill be excited
but this cell technology couldnt be the eaisiest developement environment to get used to :)
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Uhhh... last I heard. Both Sony and IBM representitives have gone on record as saying that the "Cell" chip they\'re developing (along with Toshiba) is not going to be in the PS3. Their hopes are to get this single chip to be almost on par or just slightly below the preformance of IBM\'s "Deep Blue" supercomputer. Expect the chip to be extreemly expensive and (most likely) not to meet the hopeful 2005 release date... at least for mass market application.
2006 is a more realistic date for mass production, since not only do they have to develop this technology.. but they have to re-tool existing factories and/or build new production plants. This will take time, and we all know what producing a new chip en masse at the last minuite while cutting corners in the re-tooling department does. (EE, PS2 shortages, major profit losses.. ect..) If you think about it... even IBM\'s Gekko for the NGC is taking about 9 months to a year from completion to be produced for the consumer end product.
Not only that.. but think about it. Who can really afford to develop a game for a machine that\'s 1000x as powerful as the PS2? Right now, it costs millions of dollars just to produce the stuff we\'re seeing now. There\'s going to have to be some MAJOR advances in software to make the process hundreds of times more efficent before we\'ll see games that would even begin to take advantage of all that power.
I just don\'t see that happening in the next 4 years.
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well said sonyfan.
And who gives a fu*k about the ps3. The ps2 isnt even a year old outside of Japan.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Uhhh... last I heard. Both Sony and IBM representitives have gone on record as saying that the "Cell" chip they\'re developing (along with Toshiba) is not going to be in the PS3. Their hopes are to get this single chip to be almost on par or just slightly below the preformance of IBM\'s "Deep Blue" supercomputer. Expect the chip to be extreemly expensive and (most likely) not to meet the hopeful 2005 release date... at least for mass market application.
nope they ARE Going ot use Cell in the PS3, and they will also use it with other applications i have an interview in my PSM about the development of Cell, and that is exactly what they said
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Whatever happened to Sony\'s big plan for the EE. Remember they were supposed to be using the ps2\'s architecture to go into different electronic products. The EE2 was supposed to be coming out in 2002 or 2003, and then the EE3, which would go into the ps3, would come out in 2005 or 2006.
I have another questions too. With the development of new chips, such as the Cell, will a GPU still be necessary? :cool:
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Originally posted by Kenny--73
I have another questions too. With the development of new chips, such as the Cell, will a GPU still be necessary? :cool:
GPU=Graphic proccesing Unit
If you want to see what the cell is doing then you will have to have a GPU.It puts it on the TV screen.
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live the present, forget the future
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Originally posted by Adan
live the present, forget the future
That\'s exactly what I\'m going to do, I will erase PS3 or PS Cell out of my memory until 2005.
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Originally posted by Vulcan Raven
well said sonyfan.
And who gives a fu*k about the ps3. The ps2 isnt even a year old outside of Japan.
correction, it has been a year in japan. It came out there in may. (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.contrabandent.com%2Fpez%2Fotn%2Fglasses%2Ficon20.gif&hash=c1e74cc02e22f99fe10c391c410e0ef18d63c7ae)
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I\'ve said it before,and I\'ll say it again:
The PS.3 will have PS.2 combatability NOT psx combatability
It\'ll be out in 2005,by then psx games will be about 10 years old,there is simply no point in keeping suppirt for 10 year old games.
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are there oficial news?? links please ;)
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Get back to me in 5 years will ya??
I dont really care now.. its 5 fricking years away..
I will enjoy PS2.. and enjoy PS3 in the future..
Like Adan said, "live the present, forget the future"!
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correction, it has been a year in japan. It came out there in may
That\'s why he said outside of Japan. -- Meaning that it\'s not a year old except for in Japan.
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- the trick is to keep breathing.
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[asshole]It actually came out March 4 of last year[/asshole]
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Uhhh... last I heard. Both Sony and IBM representitives have gone on record as saying that the "Cell" chip they\'re developing (along with Toshiba) is not going to be in the PS3. Their hopes are to get this single chip to be almost on par or just slightly below the preformance of IBM\'s "Deep Blue" supercomputer. Expect the chip to be extreemly expensive and (most likely) not to meet the hopeful 2005 release date... at least for mass market application.
2006 is a more realistic date for mass production, since not only do they have to develop this technology.. but they have to re-tool existing factories and/or build new production plants. This will take time, and we all know what producing a new chip en masse at the last minuite while cutting corners in the re-tooling department does. (EE, PS2 shortages, major profit losses.. ect..) If you think about it... even IBM\'s Gekko for the NGC is taking about 9 months to a year from completion to be produced for the consumer end product.
Not only that.. but think about it. Who can really afford to develop a game for a machine that\'s 1000x as powerful as the PS2? Right now, it costs millions of dollars just to produce the stuff we\'re seeing now. There\'s going to have to be some MAJOR advances in software to make the process hundreds of times more efficent before we\'ll see games that would even begin to take advantage of all that power.
I just don\'t see that happening in the next 4 years.
Well I surprised Sonyfan. IBM already has the production plants as does SOny and Toshiba, the cell will be based off manufacturing technoligies that are full reliazable by 2005.
Sony has said the cell will be in PS3, while Sony, Toshiba and IBM will also use the technology in other applications besides PS3. This will be the 1st step in getting this techniology into the mainstream as an acceptable architexture.
Developers will learn to cope with the costs of the Next gen developing and there techniques will be perfected more so by the time PS3 becomes a reality., a machine 1000x\'s more powerful doesn\'t have to mean a huge shift in costs. For all we know SOny is working on a GPU with hardware implemented effects to help reduce the costs some which is not necessarily the case with PS2.
I fully 100% expect the cell to be apart of PS3 in 2005 - 2006. WHY
because SOny knows streaming data and broadband content are the key to set top box design. This is the reason for investing heavily inot this technology. What other reason would SOny have for pouring such a large investment inot such a chip. Having a techology which is supported by applications through Toshiba and IBM as well, means a damn good possibility of a widely accepted architexture. Which creates a wider range of user tools and sopftware applications that also help to reduce overhead in the longrun. Which is a strength of XBox\'s PIII, and PowerPC chip in GC,
I doubt the PS3 will be 1000 x\'s more powerful in a whole but I expect it to be significantly more powerful.
Everyone
Why is it such a big deal to discuss the technology of the next Playstation. Some of you appear insulted about discussing this. I love the technology and love discussing it even if it is 5 years away. YOu don\'t have to be apart of the discussion if it insults you, but I don\'t see why anyone here can\'t be curious about the future
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Originally posted by ddaryl
I doubt the PS3 will be 1000 x\'s more powerful in a whole but I expect it to be significantly more powerful.
I agree. 1000x more powerful is heavily over exaggerated. That would probably be a 100 years ahead of itself. :D
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Why is it such a big deal to discuss the technology of the next Playstation. Some of you appear insulted about discussing this. I love the technology and love discussing it even if it is 5 years away. YOu don\'t have to be apart of the discussion if it insults you, but I don\'t see why anyone here can\'t be curious about the future
Not insulted. I just dont see the point of disscussing it when we dont really know anything about it yet. When actual figures get released by sony then it will be better to be disscussed then.
Someone could just make up figures and all it takes is someone to believe them and then it will be a big rumour all over the net.
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*Shrugs shoulders* Well like I said.. The last I heard. I really haven\'t been keeping up with Cell news since it was first announced.. at which time Sony and IBM had denied that it would be in the PS3. Yes, all three corperations have factories.. but they also need NEW factories, or at least re-tool their old ones, to accomodate Cell production. Remember, Sony and Toshiba both have chip processing plants.. but that didn\'t stop the shortages due to insufficent factories. In fact, didn\'t Sony cut corners on their re-tooling efforts and end up having to use a .18 micron silicon waffer instead of the .13 they are switching to now? Making a bigger waffer means that there\'s more material there that may become corrupted or damaged. That\'s why Sony couldn\'t meet their 1 million unit launch production.. because a crapload of their .18 micron silicon waffers got ****ed up durring production.
So if Sony is planning to use the Cell in the PS3, that means that their research & development is much farther ahead than thay made it sound durring their initial press report. What other significant info is available for the Cell chip? Will it be based off of the EE\'s archetecutre or is it a refinement of the x86? Or in other words.. will developers have to learn a whole new programming standard with the PS3 or will they be able to draw upon their PS2 experiences?
For some reason, I feel that developers won\'t be so willing to pick up another totally new archetecture so soon after they get the PS2 figured out.
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Aren\'t we getting a little ahead of ourselves here I mean the PS2 isn\'t that old yet and already we\'re talking about PS3 all this talk about sequels these days.....:(
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RISC = SONY
M$ = CISC
yeah that is it, PS-Cell, sounds too much like SELL. Playstation Sell, hmmmmm, don\'t like the sound of that,
i prefere the boring PS3 :D
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I\'d just like to say that you are pretty much full of it. Their is absolutly no conformation of a PS3 launching. You have no proof of any of these so called "rumours" (Lies) How can you say it\'s going to be voice activated and have all these details when the PS2 just launched. The last thing Sony wants right now is to launch another system. Maybe next time you can try to make another story up that\'ll be more belivable.
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actually proof of ps3 is abundant
i have seen many articles in game magazines stating that sony admits to being at work on the technology which WILL be in ps3
and sony is scheduling the release in 2005 which isnt strange because the ps2 launched just about 5 years after the original PSX
as for the 1000× more power i have heard that UP TO 1000 times the current number of polygons can be displayed which I believe could be done but that like all polygon count figures does not include special effects such as lighting which halfs polygon count each time it is used in a game
also more proof is that sony has already shown demos to select developers which wqere the original ps2 tech demos on steroids
the linked a series of ps2s together into a sort of cluster connected to a computer monitor and computer showed these demos
so the whole ps3 depends on 1 thing PS2!!
if ps2 does well and makes sony lots of money like PSX then ps3 will happena nd as far as i can see ps2 is doing well from my own personal experiance I LIKE IT
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Originally posted by nO-One
I\'ve said it before,and I\'ll say it again:
The PS.3 will have PS.2 combatability NOT psx combatability
It\'ll be out in 2005,by then psx games will be about 10 years old,there is simply no point in keeping suppirt for 10 year old games.
I would have to agree. Including PSone combatability is one of the most useless features, if they do it.
And I refuse to believe it will be $300. I imagine by then Sony will have jacked the price up alittle more.
But , hey, this is in 2005 . Who cares?
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"yeah that is it, PS-Cell, sounds too much like SELL. Playstation Sell, hmmmmm, don\'t like the sound of that" - Toxical
Sounds like Subliminable(G.W. Spelling) marketing to me. Does Sony\'s underhanded trechery know no bounds? ;)
Personally, I\'d rather Sony come up with an all new original name for the PS3. I doubt that will happen though. Sony\'s got brand recognision. After the PSX, PSOne, PS2, and PocketStation.. there\'s nothing to lead to me to believe Sony\'s going to drop the "PS" logo anytime soon.
Oh well.. guess I\'ll just have to wait for the Nintnedo GamePolyhedron or the Sega Pheonix!
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First of all, nobody knows what the hell they\'re going to call it, so let\'s not jump to conclusions. Secondly, the PlayStation 2 has been out since March of \'99, which makes it about 2 and a half years old. Sony usually comes out with a new system every 5-6 years, which makes sense for it to come out in 2005. They\'re really working hard on it. They did codename it the "Cell," which is, of course, just a codename. I read up on an article in one of the latest PSM magazines, and a lot of the stuff posted about it was a tad bit (way off) wrong. Sorry aout being such an a**, but we really don\'t know too much about it yet, and there\'s a huge thread about it. I now you guys are probably having fun, but this is crazy...:) Anyways...that\'s about it and thank your for listening to my annoying opinions.
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Originally posted by ViVi
I agree. 1000x more powerful is heavily over exaggerated. That would probably be a 100 years ahead of itself. :D
I think PS3 will be 200-1000 Times more powerful than the actual PS2...and a 100 years ahead of itself should mean "Molecular Technology"...wich is said to be billions times faster :D
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I doubt sony can make a better chip than NVIDIA, considering the best, and most creative chip makers in the world work for them. Although you never know!
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
I doubt sony can make a better chip than NVIDIA, considering the best, and most creative chip makers in the world work for them. Although you never know!
IBM Toshiba and Sony are working together in creating this chip, and since this chip is a processor not a GPU. I seriously doubt NVidia could make anything as good compared to what these three giants come up with here.
I will say that I am curious to see where Sony or how Sony does handle the GPU portion of the PS3. Sony DEFINTELY has to incorporate hardware effects into its PS3 GPU, or at least make them work without any serious performance hits. I\'m not a huge fan of Sony\'s graphics sythesiser and can only imagine how powerful the PS2 could be if SOny used a familiar styled GPU along side of the EE.
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Nvidia\'s president made some comments on what GPU\'s will look like around 2005.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/19036.html
I came across a real interesting page about Ram on Toshiba\'s web site. Fast Cycle DRAM will probably find its way into the Playstation 3 because of its low latency. Low latency is the main reason for Nintendo went with Mosys ram in the Gamecube.
I found the whole article quite interesting to read. Enjoy.
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/compone...WP_memory.shtml
Sony has a new DVD standard that they are working on called "DVR-Blue". It can hold over 20 gigabytes of data. Probably by the time the PS 3 arrives, that standard will have been improved upon.
Here\'s a link
http://srd.yahoo.com/goo/dvr+blue/1/*http://ne.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/20...3sony_d-ce.html
Simplex Solutions, the company that helped make the Graphic Synthesizer for the PS 2, made an interesting announcement about a design process known as "X". "X" is the process of putting the wires in an X pattern instead of the traditional square pattern. The benefit of "X" is that it reduces wire length allowing for 10% increase in chip speed and reducing power consumption.
Here is the link
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20010604S0087
The article states that Toshiba is already involved with the new design method. Since Toshiba is involved with "cell", I won\'t be surprised if the technology ends up in the EE 3 chip.