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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: STROKE on June 15, 2001, 06:53:28 AM
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On some news sites there is the info that a 10 years old boy hang himself because of Pokemon Cards:
"I like my friends and I like my school. I don\'t like Mrs. Winston and Miss Murphy. She took my cards and won\'t give them back. They are bullies. I can\'t get anything right, I am always wrong. I just want to die, I\'m going to hang myself."
I find this ill.
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no way this is true...... he actually died?
thats crazy.
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The kid was way too devoted to his cards. There is obviously far more to this story then just some kid pissed about cards. Gotta assume there are some parental issues with this one. Very sad though. I hope to God my child never gets ignored so much from parents/friends etc. that he fines so much in something as trivial as paper with a stupid picture on it.
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pokemon = evil.
School teacher = SATAN.
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I know that some kids can\'t live without Pokemon, but this is no reason to kill yourself. I think there\'s more behind it, too.
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Could you imagine if you were the two teachers? Oh the guilt. Even if the kid is a whack job. I\'m kind of surprised he didn\'t kill the teachers before he killed himself. That would be the norm these days.
Just about everyone goes through suicidal thoughts as a child. It\'s just the easy way out. It\'s just the non-loons pull themselves out of the slump.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Could you imagine if you were the two teachers? Oh the guilt. Even if the kid is a whack job. I\'m kind of surprised he didn\'t kill the teachers before he killed himself. That would be the norm these days.
Just about everyone goes through suicidal thoughts as a child. It\'s just the easy way out. It\'s just the non-loons pull themselves out of the slump.
Kill the teachers? I think it\'s not very easy for a (british) 10 years old boy to kill an adult.
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Originally posted by STROKE
On some news sites there is the info that a 10 years old boy hang himself because of Pokemon Cards:
"I like my friends and I like my school. I don\'t like Mrs. Winston and Miss Murphy. She took my cards and won\'t give them back. They are bullies. I can\'t get anything right, I am always wrong. I just want to die, I\'m going to hang myself."
I find this ill.
Blaming the cards is very Liberman-ish. Just read his message,
"they are bullies"
"I can\'t get anything right"
"I am always wrong"
This poor kid had very very low self-esteem and was picked on at school - the cards were just a small part of a bigger problem. It\'s not the cards\' fault, it\'s his parent\'s and his teachers\' fault for not seeing the signs and noticing that he was a troubled child.
Of course it\'s always easier to blame the cards or videogames, and that\'s what the media is doing.
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Originally posted by STROKE
Kill the teachers? I think it\'s not very easy for a (british) 10 years old boy to kill an adult.
What? Are you kidding me??? It happens all the time. There was a trial just last month where a 13 year old was convicted for shooting and killing his teacher. But then again that was in the US. I am assuming the british don\'t have guns. um, yeah....
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Nah, the british hide swords in those big furry hats of theirs. :D
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nah, the British throw Fish&Chips at you, while they are very hot. ! :D "Austin ! That\'s my mother"
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Originally posted by Toxical
nah, the British throw Fish&Chips at you, while they are very hot. ! :D "Austin ! That\'s my mother"
Elizabeth Hurley!!! YEAH, BABY!!!
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hmmm, they can throw Elizabeth Hurley at me any time, yummy to ma tummy ! :D
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yeah i read about this the other day, you got to be messed up too do that over pokimon card in the first place though
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who is to blame?
teachers? no.
the media? no.
the cards? no.
his parents? yep.
without a doubt, any kid who kills himself because he believes that nobody loves him or that he doesnt do anything right was raised without self esteem. This is something that should be ingrained into our brains by the time we are 5.
I am not sympatathetic to anybody about this as overall, it is the kid\'s fault. Obviously if he likes school and has friends, there was something wrong with him. Probably just wantyed to prove he would go through with it. dumb kid.
Eric Jacob
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I\'m tellin ya there is some sort of subliminal messages in the cards and the other Pokemon stuff........Coincidence...I think not
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think about this for a second
a normal 10 year old kid.
he has no friends
his teachers just took away his cards
his parents maybe never encouraged him
now i know there are people like that all over the world but this kid,
a child to do the act to find something to think of a place to put it to put your neck in it to think about it as your doing it , as your taking your own life , . a 10 year old kid would have thought alot about this as he was doing it. its becaus he had something wrong with him , a mental problem , becaus i dont see how any kid with his whole life infront of him could do this without stoping and deciding not to.
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I read about this elsewhere. Thought to bring it here, but I was afraid people would make fun of him and disgrace the poor child. That almost even happened at the site that reported it... It\'s sad and it\'s good to see for the most part that no one is (a) joking about this, or (b) blaming the cards.
-Eik
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Originally posted by Lavan
Blaming the cards is very Liberman-ish. Just read his message
Lavan, you just went up 2 cool points in my book.
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That is just sickening.
I don\'t know if the event is bing highly publisized because it involves pokemon cards. Obviously the kid had some issues, but I don\'t know if there are records of kids killing themselves because of Magic cards or baseball cards?
Obvioulsy the media will lay the blame on Pokemon, but is it possible the the connection is to the actual collecting of cards?
I find it very unusual that a 10 year old would commit suicide. Normaly people that age are not mentally mature enough to get severely depressed to that point. Does anybody know the age of the youngest person ever to commit suicide?
Some things in this world are just not right.
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That is sick, someday someone is going to become TOO obsessed about games, and do something way stupid...
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IMO anyone that mental should do what he did. Thin out the heard.
I bet that\'ll piss people off... heh....
No compassion for mentally ill people,
EThugg
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Originally posted by EThugg
IMO anyone that mental should do what he did. Thin out the heard.
I bet that\'ll piss people off... heh....
No compassion for mentally ill people,
EThugg
That doesn\'t make alot of sense. There is plenty of CHEMICAL INBALANCES that can cause various mental illness--such as manic depression, bi-polar and so on. A chemical inbalance is something someone cannot help. That is the equal of saying that people with cancer should die because it is \'thinning out the herd\'.
I am not saying the boy had a chemical inbalance. Infact, I doubt he did, because alot of times they show up later in life --around the age of puberty. But still, the mentally ill are no different from anyone else sick. It is not like they ask for it.
And the very fact that mental illness is such a broad field, makes it hard for people to get help. It could be emotional, it could be chemical (i.e, low serontine levels) and so on.
And if they do get help, the usually end up takin\' so much medication it is sad. Wellburnit, depakote, prozac, respirdol, zoloft, xanax, the list goes on and on.
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...................no offense..................to that kid..........................but..........................HE IS A DUMBA$$!
GOD! HE KILL HIMSELF BECAUSE HE DIDNT GET RIGHT ANSWERS AND WORST YET!BECAUSE HE GOT HIS POKEMON CARDS GOT TAKEN BY THE TEACHERS!
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Originally posted by cloud345
...................no offense..................to that kid..........................but..........................HE IS A DUMBA$$!
GOD! HE KILL HIMSELF BECAUSE HE DIDNT GET RIGHT ANSWERS AND WORST YET!BECAUSE HE GOT HIS POKEMON CARDS GOT TAKEN BY THE TEACHERS!
You obviously missed the point. He did not kill himself because of that. Those was only incidents related to the act. He killed himself due to low self esteem, because of bad parenting. That is all there is to it. It wasn\'t because of the Pokemon cards.
Sheesh.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
That doesn\'t make alot of sense. There is plenty of CHEMICAL INBALANCES that can cause various mental illness--such as manic depression, bi-polar and so on. A chemical inbalance is something someone cannot help. That is the equal of saying that people with cancer should die because it is \'thinning out the herd\'.
I am not saying the boy had a chemical inbalance. Infact, I doubt he did, because alot of times they show up later in life --around the age of puberty. But still, the mentally ill are no different from anyone else sick. It is not like they ask for it.
And the very fact that mental illness is such a broad field, makes it hard for people to get help. It could be emotional, it could be chemical (i.e, low serontine levels) and so on.
And if they do get help, the usually end up takin\' so much medication it is sad. Wellburnit, depakote, prozac, respirdol, zoloft, xanax, the list goes on and on.
Your not impressing me. I NEVER under any circumstanses use medicine. If he has a chemical imbalance, low anything levels, I DONT CARE. Let him kill himself. If he was born with a disease, he is by definition weak, and whatever he does to himself is natures way of handling it. We save too damn many lives from natural problems nowadays.... if he can\'t go on without killing himself unless he\'s been doped up and in councilling, he shouldn\'t live. And this is coming from a anti-death penalty, pro-life, vegan. Human overpopulation is one of the biggest threats to the planet...
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Hay ethug, you are taking A Christmas Carol book way to serious,
Here let me explain: SCOOGE is not real, the part about " get rid of the surplus population " was only the authers way of showing how evil this person is, (see any connection yet).
Look big man with words I wish I could take you to a childrens hospital so you can look a child dieing of a horriable disease in there eyes and you tell them " sorry there little one its natures way of taking care of surplus population" So If you ever have a child and there was a problem you wouldn\'t take care of it you would just send the child into the woods and let nature take its course I suppose.
Having no compassion makes you weak.
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Alright, I can tell this is a serious topic and people are getting really edgy. Through my reading of the thread I thought it all seemed somewhat familiar. Now, please take this maturely, this article I\'m linking too is a satyre and is supposed to be funny, but I think that if you read it y\'all will realise that you sound just like the person who wrote the article.
http://www.theonion.com/onion3628/fun_toy_banned.html
I have been close to someone with a chemical inbalance, all you Darwinist can say what you want, but he is now completly "balance" after a month of prescriptions. We have the know-how to help people, and I think we should. It\'s hard where to draw the line of help, but at least parents should make sure they play their part with impressionable children.
What people don\'t realise is that child suicides happen all the time all over the world. Earth is an equally stressful place for adult and child alike. Maybe it\'s noone\'s fault the child died, maybe it\'s everyone\'s fault. This is a (term used loosely) "Fact of Life." It\'s an individuals responcibility to do something about it if they are inclined. I\'ll stop now, I\'m sure I\'ll have to post some more later.
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Blah blah blah.... DDIIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by EThugg
Your not impressing me. I NEVER under any circumstanses use medicine. If he has a chemical imbalance, low anything levels, I DONT CARE. Let him kill himself. If he was born with a disease, he is by definition weak, and whatever he does to himself is natures way of handling it. We save too damn many lives from natural problems nowadays.... if he can\'t go on without killing himself unless he\'s been doped up and in councilling, he shouldn\'t live. And this is coming from a anti-death penalty, pro-life, vegan. Human overpopulation is one of the biggest threats to the planet...
I\'m guessing there are no doctors in your family.
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Look ethug, is that the best you could do. You posted what you wanted to say and for that you should\'ve expected some backlash, which is fine, free speech is what I believe. I can\'t and won\'t change the way you feel.
But lashing out with "Blah Blah Blah" and soforth is just a defect. So now what do you do, if were to believe in all your rehtoric.
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This is an unfortunate tragedy . . .
I really don\'t know what to say about it. Which is why I have avoided responding until now.
I am a proponent of free speach, which is why I enjoy internet based message boards. However, there is a fine line between stating one\'s own opinion and just tactlessly disrespecting the memory of the child who comminted this act, as well as disrespecting the grieving family and friends.
Furthermore, such comments are hurtful to people who live with or know people who live with disabilities/illness.
No one is asking you to modify your opinions, EThugg, but maybe you could show some respect? It is the least you can do.
Frodo
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Well said Frodo.
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Ethugg, I have to deal with depression and I am suffering from a chemical imbalance In which I cause harm to myself. SHOULD I GO KILL MYSELF. If you say yes you are severely sick.
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yo ethugg if i was a admin here i woulda banned your ass 20 times by now , so far in 2 threads youve managed to call football palyers gay , wrestlers gay ,and people who watch it are morons , and sick children should die? you should be banned if soulgrind or someone has read what hes been saying i dont see why hes still posting here.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Your not impressing me. I NEVER under any circumstanses use medicine. If he has a chemical imbalance, low anything levels, I DONT CARE. Let him kill himself. If he was born with a disease, he is by definition weak, and whatever he does to himself is natures way of handling it. We save too damn many lives from natural problems nowadays.... if he can\'t go on without killing himself unless he\'s been doped up and in councilling, he shouldn\'t live. And this is coming from a anti-death penalty, pro-life, vegan. Human overpopulation is one of the biggest threats to the planet...
Exactly how can you be ANTI-DEATH PENATLY and yet support people who are sick killing themself?
Those on death row got themself on it. They killed someone, and resulted in getting punishment. This was a personal choice for them. Yet, you think if someone is sick mentally from a chemical inblanace, they should kill themself?
So, let me get this straight.
If I kill five people--get on death row, I shouldn\'t die. Because, the death penatly is harsh.
But, if I have a chemical inbalance, I should kill myself, because I\'m weak?
That is some pretty screwed up logic.
(mind you, I am also anti-captial punishment.)
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Does anybody else think EThugg should be banned, Phil is my cousin and he does have a chemical imbalance that causes depression, you didnt answer him, do you think he should kill himself, do you?, free speach is something that I believe in but I think you went to far and you should be banned from the site, doesnt it bother you that you feel this way about somebodys life
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I refuse to say if EThugg should be banned. It is not my choice. The MODS/ADMINS make that choice.
I do agree, that Ethugg may of went overboard with his opinion. I have never said anything about his way of being extreme and in times, I think it fully works out, because sometimes it gets his point across. In this topic, I think it was a touchy subject, because obviously there will be mixed emotions on this and there is obviously the chance that some board members do suffer from manic depression or another type of mental illness.
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ETHUGG is just anti-everything. He means no harm. Or maybe he does.
Ethugg, I hope you never get seriously ill. Sometimes death isn\'t quick and painless, you know.
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I don\'t mind free speech, in an age where everything is "Politically Correct" it makes a difference.
I have always tried to express what i thought, sometimes i just joke too much, and it comes out in a bad way. :D
But i don\'t think anybody should be banned from a forum just because they have an opinion, even though
95 percent of people might think it is in bad taste.
If a person breaks a forum rule, and has been warned, then maybe. :D
I read on theRegister.co.uk that some XBox editor on IGN got into some sh!t because he said something about Nintendo fans being "Nazis", well-fu@k-di-do.
Most of those people are called worse at school. :D
This is what i say, because I believe in free speech.
Abortion is alright.
Drinking Vodka at lunch is cool.
Going to a nuddy bar at lunch is hardcore. :D
I do not like Lieberman, he sucks major sh!t. :D
Those are my opinions and I am sure some of you might disagree and some of you do might agree, but so what? :D
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Yes he is entitled to free speech, but still thats just sick, just because a person is born that way or they don\'t have a great childhood doesnt mean they should die, what the hell is the matter with him, I\'m glad hes banned
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I think Ethugg is funny, and since he is now banned I will pick up where he left off.
My view point is a little different thought.
It has nothing to do with this kid.
He said, "Humans overpopulating the earth is a serious problem." blah blah blah. Read his post if you want to know exactly what he said.
But he was right. And the reason this is such a problem is because humans have cheated mother nature by side stepping natural selection. For example, lets say you are 100 years old and you contribute nothing more to society anymore, because all you do is sit in a chair all day and consume resources needed for others in this world. In a perfect society, one ruled by nature, that person would have been killed by health or predators since they can no longer support themselves and since they no longer contribute anything to society. But, in this sentimental, sensitive society resources needed for the hungry or the needy are set aside for this person.
P.S. "we should ban ethugg cause he thinks wrestling and football is gay"... come on, thats just gay.
HAHAHAHA!
I think thats funny.
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Originally posted by Faithdies
But he ((Ethugg )) was right. And the reason this is such a problem is because humans have cheated mother nature by side stepping natural selection. For example, lets say you are 100 years old and you contribute nothing more to society anymore, because all you do is sit in a chair all day and consume resources needed for others in this world. In a perfect society, one ruled by nature, that person would have been killed by health or predators since they can no longer support themselves and since they no longer contribute anything to society. But, in this sentimental, sensitive society resources needed for the hungry or the needy are set aside for this person.
So do you consider yourself Greek? They believed that Life was perfect in the beginning, then it started going all downhill. Plus, games and computers don\'t exist in a "perfect society, one ruled by nature" You have to give up on natural selection in order for time to relax and play games.
Oh, and all you natural selection fans, here is a site that will be of great interest to you:
http://www.darwinawards.com
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Wow now I see why MM banned him and this is worse then what he was banned for. I was gonna try and defend him in the other thread with the petition but not anymore... He says weak people should kill themselves? He\'s the weak one here. I hope he has a kid with a mental deficiancy (SP? Word? lol) and he sees what it\'s like. It\'s not the kids fault, it\'s in their genes, they\'re born with genes. Where do they get these genes? Their parents. I guess if Ethugg had a kid it would be pretty messed up, just look at what EThugg is saying, his kid would be just as bad as what he is talking about.
Oh and BTW Cloud, VERY VERY well stated, that was nice
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Trogolodyte, If I could trade my life to end the existance of all humans I would.
In a heartbeat.
They are destorying this world.
And as for the darwinawards, I know all about it.
I have a chemical Inbalance and I didnt take what Ethugg said at all offensivally.
Granted mines only a large case of ADHD, but it still is there.
And what, people should only have the right to say things until they arnt PC anymore. Thats what I hate about america. Its not the land of the free, its the land of the majority. People in large enough groups in america could get anything legalized or illegilized as the case is nowadays.
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Originally posted by Faithdies
Trogolodyte, If I could trade my life to end the existance of all humans I would.
In a heartbeat.
They are destorying this world.
And as for the darwinawards, I know all about it.
I have a chemical Inbalance and I didnt take what Ethugg said at all offensivally.
Granted mines only a large case of ADHD, but it still is there.
And what, people should only have the right to say things until they arnt PC anymore. Thats what I hate about america. Its not the land of the free, its the land of the majority. People in large enough groups in america could get anything legalized or illegilized as the case is nowadays.
PC????
And I see the world in two lights, progressive and degressive (I\'ll explain later if need be) and they tend to cancel each other out.
Plus, you don\'t need to give up your life, someone already has. Things take time, and when eternity is involved, the time man has spent on earth is a simple grain of sand in an hour glass. (Insert opening of a can of worms here.)
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I completely understand what you mean by progressive and regressive.
It seems that while one part of the population of humans is evolving and contributing another even larger part is becoming more base and stupid and using the immense powers available to humans to destroy anything that gets in the way of thier comfort or entertainment.
Also, it seems as we make something that helps mankind it hurts nature.
Very annoying.
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P.S. "we should ban ethugg cause he thinks wrestling and football is gay"... come on, thats just gay.
HAHAHAHA!
I think thats funny.
I asume you were talking to me in this comment since i did writes something like that.....
well thats not what he said first of all he said
people who watch fottball are morons
people who watch wrestling are morons
football players are queer
wrestlers are queer
and whoever watchs either is queer
all i ever see him do is bash evrything , he told you to kill yourself , now you dont care? ok you dont have to care but if you dont want to watch the earth die , and you say stop using resources , well then why dont you go live in the forests and live of worms.... now considering you were talkng about my comment i think saving the earth is queer , and your queer for tryin to do so!
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Yeah, it\'s too bad he got banned for such a trivial thing, but he did so much worse in this thread. No sane person really thinks the ediotic things he was saying. I remember a case here in Tampa where some whackos didn\'t offer their son doctors care when he had over 500 bee stings on his body. Actually I think it was like a thousand or something ridiculous. THe kid died. Duh...
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Hmm...so if I were to go eat worms in a forest, the world would not have an ozone problem, and we wouldnt be stripping it of its natural resources.
Thank you deadly hamster.
I didnt know I was that important to the worlds well being.
But in reality it is possible for humans to exist with everything we have now and still not destroy the earth, but people are just to stubborn to try new things out.
So why did you all of a sudden start attacking me?
I made a joke, and I thought it was funny.
It wasnt even offensive.
No wonder ethugg always freaks on you guys.
Jeez, like a bunch of nazis in here.
Dont here what you believe so you start crying.
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well maybe a j/k would have helped since you said what i said was gay and i know you pro-ethugg and im anti-ethugg....
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oh yeah and i also yelled at ya\' caus you were saying some1 that called me gay was funny and shouldnt be banned and stuff like that....
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Summary: ****ed up kid can\'t handle life; ****ed up kid kills self; No more problems for or with ****ed up kid.
Everyone who\'s disagreeing with me seems to think I\'m uncompasionate... I have plenty of unbalanced friends/family, and a disabled mother. I have a cousin with Downsyndrome. A aunt with serious chronic depression. I\'m coming at this from a altruistic point of view. Only a selfish person would force a psycho to use drugs just so he stays alive, and doesn\'t kill him/herself. This individual is by their very NATURE unfit to live. Don\'t fight it.
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oh that makes sense , noone ( not the member ) is perfect , so i guess evryone should die?
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this also has gone on too long