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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: rastalant on June 17, 2001, 07:38:35 PM
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Is anyone impressed with it? Are you satisfied with it? Are you disappointed in it? Express your feelings about how you feel about the GBA.
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I like it, but I think it\'s a bit underpowered now. I also am starting to dislike the screen. I liked it at first, but Tony Hawk and Castlevania are insanely dark. It won\'t last as long as the original Gameboy, that\'s for sure. All in all, I give it 7.5 out of 10.
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Nintendo went cheapo in this one. First off SONY or MS could have made a more powerful portable device. Also you guys, if gameboy advance were to be a true 3d system, you would need a hell of better SCREEN.
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Coulda, woulda, shoulda... What could be will always be better, but at least what we actually have is damn impressive.
I got my kicks with SMB, but now my attention is shifting to F-Zero. The graphics on this game really let me appreciate the step up from the previous Gameboys.
BTW, for those of you with light problems, spend another ten bucks and buy a worm light. If you stretch it right, the glare will be just off the top of the screen, but the screen itself will still be lit all around. I know it works because I just got done playing F-Zero in what would otherwise have been total darkness.
As for the future, I\'m waiting to get my hands on Castlevania. If nothing else, the GBA is a great peice of fun until Gamecube comes out, at which point it will turn into a controller/VMU of some sort, apparently...
-Eik
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My only complaint, no back lighting.... also, buttons a little close. Everything else is perfect.
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Coulda, woulda, shoulda... What could be will always be better, but at least what we actually have is damn impressive.
Yes I understand, but so far the gamecube is nothing impressive to me. I f were to ever buy a handheld it would have to have a kickass screen, 3d gpu, and good buttons.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
I f were to ever buy a handheld it would have to have a kickass screen, 3d gpu, and good buttons.
Don\'t forget a truckload of batteries.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Yes I understand, but so far the gamecube is nothing impressive to me. I f were to ever buy a handheld it would have to have a kickass screen, 3d gpu, and good buttons.
It would suck batteries and also cost the price of a normal console.. Gee...
;)
Personally, I love my GBA. I agree with Aaron, that it will not last as long as the original GB. But still, I enjoy it right now, and to me that is what counts.
I give it an 8 out of 10.
I wish the screen didn\'t scratch so easy.
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Before I state what I love about the system, I will mention the one and only complaint I have.
The screen . . . cover! Not the screen itself. I have lighting, which amazingly accommodates the screen just fine, so darkness is not my problem.
No, I hate the Cheap-O-Screen-Cover they used this time. Mine came with these little verticle\'esque scratches all over it. After checking around, I\'ve found allot of people have the same complaint. You can only see them if the on screen graphics are dark and you\'re under a direct light source. Now I have to see if Ninetendo will send me a new cover, or if I\'ll have to buy one for the $4.99 they\'re charging.
Anyway, with that out of the way . . .
I love the GBA, hands down. This is the first system I\'ve bought, since the PSX in 1997, that has completely lived up to my personal expectations the day I bought it.
The system itself is great, but the games really shine. Graphically, they\'re superior to most SuperNes titles I\'ve had experience with over the years. But, graphics don\'t make a game. Castlevania, for example, is a huge platformer. Think in terms of Super Metroid, the way the automap works, and its relation to that world, size-wise; Castlevania is vast in the same way.
The game play is there too. The easiest way I can convey what I\'m trying to say, without writing a three page article, is these don\'t feel like portable games. What you expected from the SuperNes, in terms of game play, deep vibrant sound effects/music and ingenuity, expect from GBA titles.
IMHO, the only thing holding this system back in any way, leaving out the backlight issue, is the lack of a four button layout. But, from what I\'ve played thus far, they can work around it.
Frodo
There you go, my attempt a quick review.
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The idea would of been great 3 years ago, but in my opinion, it is a step down of what Nintendo could of done.
Once again, Nintendo thrives little on innovation.
- The battery issue could of easily been resolved with the use of Lithiums. They are cheap ($10 - $15) and lasts a long time; and plus they are rechargable and it could save consumers a lot of money in the long run.
- The system is deriving off of games(most of them) that are rehashes of prior SNES titles. I have not found one new innovative title that I would like. Nintendo seriously needs to sign Treasure (arguably the most innovative 2D developer) and/or deliver some new, original, bold contents of their own that will break the boundary of 2D gaming and bring it to new heights. I am personally sick of seeing the same thing I have been playing for the last ten years.
- No backlight is a big deal to me considering almost every system prior to this one has had one and every Sega system does have it. Again, the whole battery issue could of easily been resolved with the use of Lithiums and/or an advance battery pack and not age old double As.
- 2D gaming is dead. Three years ago this idea would of been grand when 3D gaming was new and limited. Nowadays, we are seeing some major improvements in term of gameplay, framerate, and control. Some 3D games have already equal and/or surpass the best 2D games in terms of gameplay. Things are different now and the average consumers would prefer 3D gameplay over old traditional 2D. There is a small company that has already created a portable graphics chip that has the power of a DreamCast. Nintendo should of opt with that chip instead and move the portable generation one step ahead rather than keep it at a standstill. What a shame!
P.S. I seriously think Nintendo could lose the portable war if a company as big as Sony or Microsoft decides to come in and take it. They could use that new graphics chip (as powerful as the DC) and have Square develope exclusively(since Nintendo won\'t let them on the GBA) for them. A 3D handheld system on the level of a DC will definitely be a lot more enticing than an age-old 2D game system that looks just like my SNES.
Well this is all my opinion of course. In the end I will probably end up getting the GBA regardless.;)
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I agree I think the system is alittle under power considering we had to wait 10 years for the next gameboy.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
The idea would of been great 3 years ago, but in my opinion, it is a step down of what Nintendo could of done.
- The system is deriving off of games(most of them) that are rehashes of prior SNES titles. I have not found one new innovative title that I would like. Nintendo seriously needs to sign Treasure (arguably the most innovative 2D developer) and/or deliver some new, original, bold contents of their own that will break the boundary of 2D gaming and bring it to new heights. I am personally sick of seeing the same thing I have been playing for the last ten years.
- 2D gaming is dead. Three years ago this idea would of been grand when 3D gaming was new and limited. Nowadays, we are seeing some major improvements in term of gameplay, framerate, and control. Some 3D games have already equal and/or surpass the best 2D games in terms of gameplay. Things are different now and the average consumers would prefer 3D gameplay over old traditional 2D. There is a small company that has already created a portable graphics chip that has the power of a DreamCast. Nintendo should of opt with that chip instead and move the portable generation one step ahead rather than keep it at a standstill. What a shame!
P.S. I seriously think Nintendo could lose the portable war if a company as big as Sony or Microsoft decides to come in and take it. They could use that new graphics chip (as powerful as the DC) and have Square develope exclusively(since Nintendo won\'t let them on the GBA) for them. A 3D handheld system on the level of a DC will definitely be a lot more enticing than an age-old 2D game system that looks just like my SNES.
Well this is all my opinion of course. In the end I will probably end up getting the GBA regardless.;)
1: It is gettin\' new titles also. There is nothing wrong with rehashing some of the best games ever and selling them for the portable market. Infact, it makes perfect buisness sense and alot of people love the idea. Still, there is new titles comin\' for it.
2: 2D may be close to dead, but not because its limited or not fun. It is dead, because people got this notion that 3D would have to be better then 2D. Yet, I have never seen a 3D game like CastleVania:COTM . And if there has been, I truly doubt that pulled it off succesfully. 3D and 2D in a perfect world could live in harmony. Both serve their own purpose. Obviously, you will not see a 2D game, like MGS2:SOL. But, at the same time, I don\'t think you will be seeing a 3D game on the same calibur as Yoshi\'s Island or CastleVania. They both have their disadvantages and advantages. 3D\'s biggest disadvantage is camera angles and so forth. 2D is just looked upon as "old".
3: Nintendo has a "monoply" (term used loosely) on the handheld market and enough base support that it wouldn\'t make a difference. Square has supported the WonderSwan or whatever the hell it is. Yet, it barely made a dent in the Japanese market and wouldn\'t even make a "spec" in the American market. Its a simple matter of people associate handhelds with Nintendo. That is what happens when you dominate a market for 12 + years.
Not to mention that if you want a handheld on the same level as the DC, I hope you are ready for a few things.
- Battery power. If the handheld is havin\' to do DC graphics and so on,it is goin\' to drain batteries.
- Outrageous price. You cannot have a handheld with DC specs or even close without havin\' to charge out of the ass for it.
- 3D games,eh? You\'ll need a larger screen. Raise the price more and the size of the handheld.
- More buttons. More buttons equal more cramped space, unless you make the handheld even BIGGER (its not becomin\' to portable now, is it?)
With current technology, there is no way a company can offer DC or even Psone power in a handheld, without sufferin\'. You can invent the chips and so forth, but it is still not a viable option.
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Damn I got to this thread too late. Nothing more I can really say that L-I-C and Gohan didn\'t already cover.
For those that want a 3D portable and say 2D is dead... was the PSX your first console? Seems like it. The only things lacking from the GBA to make it perfect would be a backlit screen and 4 buttons (not counting the top ones) .. Too bad for those of you that can\'t appreciate 2D goodness. CV is a gem, and alone worth the purchase of a GBA.
The system is deriving off of games(most of them) that are rehashes of prior SNES titles
The GBA just launched and has great games. So a ton of them are rehashes, so what? Nintendo is just showing some of the capabilities of the GBA, such as easy SNES-ports. Give it some time, I\'m sure you\'ll see great and unique games.
Ok, so maybe I had more to say than I thought. That is all, for now. :)
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathiing.
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If any body can make a portable GPU that can push some polys it\'s NVIDIA.
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Yeah, I stumbled back way too late . . .
Okay, trying to keep from reiterating the extremely thorough rebuttals from Gohan, L-I-C and datamage, I shall try to address an issue not yet voiced.
How far is to far? What I mean is, simply, how far should portable sytems be taken?
Let\'s for the moment forget battery, cost, size and weight issues and consider the following.
Portable systems are fun because generally
they\'ve offered a gaming experience somewhat less intrusive and time consuming than home console units. In so doing, these games were more portable. Now, with the GBA, that gap is beginning to close, as already these first gen titles, Castlevania for example, prove to be massive platformers, rivialing in size and complexity those of only a few years ago.
Assuming portable games were to advance, no pun intended, to the level suggested by a few of the people in this thread, would the gap between portable and console units still be definable? And if not, would that be a good thing?
Would it be good for the undustry, if one could go out and purchase a portable which could offer a like experience to an expensive non-portable console? And, would the portable still be, in and of itself, a portable?
Where would it end? As the fine veil which distinguishes the markets lifts, and the two technologies become more alike, both in what they offer and what they cost, what would that do to the market? Things would certainly change, that\'s for certain. But, would the changes be for the better? Or would the sudden shift in the power struggle result in a new console war? A war between console and portable.
This is just one of my random mussing\'s, and I perhaps overstate the issue more that I ought. But I think I\'ve made my point quite nicely even if I added a flare of drama to it.
I enjoy my portabes, especially my GBA, because they offer me a quality gaming session which differs from the experience I come away with after playing my PS2 or other home consoles. Not to imply the gaming is less fun or complex, it just offers me something different, which I can enjoy in a different way, at a different pace.
I don\'t personally want portables which are the equivalent to the Dreamcast. I feel that would detract from the charm, the essence of what portable gaming is about. For me, a portable SuperNes with tweaked graphics and sound processing is a dream come true. Eventually, yes, there will have to be an upgrade. But I think portables should always remain less powerful than the current competing hardware.
In any case, these are just my personal opinions and don\'t reflect the views of others. But its how I feel, and I felt it was relevant enough to be brought into the mix.
Frodo
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I\'m just wondering who here uses portable gamming devices. I mean no disrespect, but The only people I see with handheld gamming devices are kids. Then again I come from TORONTO, canada and it se4ems people here are big into mini disc, mp3 player etc...
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
I\'m just wondering who here uses portable gamming devices. I mean no disrespect, but The only people I see with handheld gamming devices are kids. Then again I come from TORONTO, canada and it se4ems people here are big into mini disc, mp3 player etc...
No disrespect taken :)
I think the phenomenon you\'re observing is the same that occurs anywhere else. There is no age limit to portable gaming, be it Canada, Japan, Europe or the United States. I\'m twenty two years of age and enjoy my portables, as do many of my friends. I know of many, many people in my area who enjoy Gameboy\'s, some of whom are twice my age and beyond.
The thing is, most people who play their portables out in public, or rather, lug them around for "gaming on the go," are kids. Most of the people in my age bracket, that I know, play their portables at home or while killing time on trips which are devoid of other entertainment.
Hope this answers your question, somewhat.
Frodo
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Underpowered, Underwhelming, and Uninspireing.... so far. We really haven\'t seen what the GBA can do yet, seeing as how the launch games were mostly all rushed. (As per usual with new systems). After seeing what the Nomad could do 5 years ago.. the GBA\'s graphics aren\'t anything to gawk over. Plus they should have put a backlit screen in. I know I know.. what about battery life.
Well, one of the few comments Tshirts makes that I agree with, is that they could have used a lithium ion battery and extended the width of the unit a few cm to accomodate it. Another way to save batteries is to NOT go the 3D direction consoles did, but instead focus on EXTREEMLY detailed 2D graphics with limited 3D capabilities. I just don\'t see why we shouldn\'t be playing PSX/PS2 looking 2D games given the technology that could have gone in it. I mean, just look at what they\'ve done with THPS2.. now imagine enviroment and player sprites 50x or 100x more detailed. Hell with a bit of creative programing, a 2D game could be made almost indistinguishable from a 3D game.
I\'m torn right now between the idea of saving my money and buying one, despite the fact that I believe Nintnedo is holding back the handheld industry. Chances are, I\'ll most likely get one in the future some time.. long after I\'ve gotten my Nomad and the GBA has accumulated a larger library of games.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
If any body can make a portable GPU that can push some polys it\'s NVIDIA.
HeyOgodly thats not a bad idea. That thing would be a beast with power and eat gba and spit it out.
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Originally posted by raslant
HeyOgodly thats not a bad idea. That thing would be a beast with power and eat gba and spit it out.
Right before the batteries die out.
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Right before the batteries die out
That\'S where you are wrong. first NVIDIA mobile chips consome so very little power, second lithium ion-Need I say more.
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Ogodlything, your asking for way too much.
Let\'s take a second to remember the Sega GameGear and how it drained batteries. Overall, it was FAR superior in technology than the GB. But, it could only last 6-8 hours on SIX AA batteries. This was mainly because the backlit screen is such a power comsumer. I honestly don\'t think you truly understand how fast they will drain batteries.
Now, the GBA only need two AA batteries and it can last 10-15 hours. That\'s twice as long as the GameGear could last and the system itself is more powerful. With a backlit screen then I doubt it could last any more than half that number.
3D processors would eat batteries quickly too, perhaps more quickly then a backlit screen. And if a handheld were to be true 3D then it would need a much bigger screen than the one on GBA. Also, oth of this features would sky rocket the price of it.
Now ask yourself this-is it really that difficult to get under a good light in the right angle? I don\'t think so. A worm light could also easily fix the dark screen problem too and only at an extra 10$. The lighting isn\'t that big of a deal and being 3D would drain batteries, you would need a much bigger screen, and both of these factors would raise the price. A 3D handheld with a backlit screen wouldn\'t be very easy to create while being consumer friendly. I doubt anyone besides Nintendo could pull it off successfully.
Nintendo has almost optimised their machine perfectly. The only thing they could of done better is have an option to turn on and off a backlit screen. So when you plug it into a power outlet then it wouldn\'t drain batteries and you could play perfectly. But hey, no machine can and provably never will be perfect. And again, the lighting isn\'t that big of an issue.
One thing that could cure the lighting problem is being able to play your GBA on a TV. Since the GBA has a connectivity with the GameCube then maybe it could happen. It would be a great idea though. :)
My only complaint about the GBA is the colour of them. I hate all of them, they look ridiculous. I wish Nintendo could of usen the GBA colours they had a Spaceworld. They were sweet. Take a look.
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My only complaint about the GBA is the colour of them. I hate all of them, they look ridiculous. I wish Nintendo could of usen the GBA colours they had a Spaceworld. They were sweet. Take a look.
For once we agree on something. I prefer that silver/teal look over any of the current GBA models. Oh well..
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Ogodlything, your asking for way too much.
Let\'s take a second to remember the Sega GameGear and how it drained batteries. Overall, it was FAR superior in technology than the GB. But, it could only last 6-8 hours on SIX AA batteries. This was mainly because the backlit screen is such a power comsumer. I honestly don\'t think you truly understand how fast they will drain batteries.
Now, the GBA only need two AA batteries and it can last 10-15 hours. That\'s twice as long as the GameGear could last and the system itself is more powerful. With a backlit screen then I doubt it could last any more than half that number.
3D processors would eat batteries quickly too, perhaps more quickly then a backlit screen. And if a handheld were to be true 3D then it would need a much bigger screen than the one on GBA. Also, oth of this features would sky rocket the price of it.
Now ask yourself this-is it really that difficult to get under a good light in the right angle? I don\'t think so. A worm light could also easily fix the dark screen problem too and only at an extra 10$. The lighting isn\'t that big of a deal and being 3D would drain batteries, you would need a much bigger screen, and both of these factors would raise the price. A 3D handheld with a backlit screen wouldn\'t be very easy to create while being consumer friendly. I doubt anyone besides Nintendo could pull it off successfully.
Nintendo has almost optimised their machine perfectly. The only thing they could of done better is have an option to turn on and off a backlit screen. So when you plug it into a power outlet then it wouldn\'t drain batteries and you could play perfectly. But hey, no machine can and provably never will be perfect. And again, the lighting isn\'t that big of an issue.
One thing that could cure the lighting problem is being able to play your GBA on a TV. Since the GBA has a connectivity with the GameCube then maybe it could happen. It would be a great idea though. :)
My only complaint about the GBA is the colour of them. I hate all of them, they look ridiculous. I wish Nintendo could of usen the GBA colours they had a Spaceworld. They were sweet. Take a look.
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I agree. The current color selection is horrible, in my opinion. I perfer the ones showed at SpaceWorld.:(
I remember taking a trip from Kentucky to Florida non-stop once with my Uncle and Aunt (both college students, ah those was the days). We took the gamegear and gameboy. I was playin\' the gamegear and the damn thing drained the batteries faster then I had planned, yet the GB was still goin\' strong on its four batteries. So, I really don\'t whine about the light issue. I rather deal with small light problems, then drained batteries all the friggin\' time.
For those that want a 3D portable and say 2D is dead... was the PSX your first console? Seems like it.
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They are young\'in\'s , we should make them all sit down and play the good ole\' 2D classics.
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Maybe I am asking too much, but I\'m the kind of guy who expecs nothing but the best in Technology
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Maybe I am asking too much, but I\'m the kind of guy who expecs nothing but the best in Technology[/b]
LOL Godly. No you are not asking for too much. You are a rare visionary. I bet you are Sega fan, and not surprisingly rooting the Xbox on. You(much like I) are the ppl whom are simply not content with the state of the industry and would like to see things move forward rather than at a standstill. We thrive on innovation, and we are not merely satisfy with simple rehashes and overused ideas. ;)
Jumpman
The lighting isn\'t that big of a deal [/b]
Have you ever had the pleasure of seeing the beauty of a Sega Nomad in all of its back-lit glory sitting in the dark? Nice isn\'t it? Having a back-lit actually improves the outlook and the resolution of the screen. With no back-lit, it is hard to locate the correct lighting, and thus the screen looks dark, murky, and very low res. It is like playing a computer emulated Genesis game with Kreed\'s(the upgrade via computer) and then turning it to scanline mode. Huge difference!
BTW, regarding the battery issue....
Lithium ion is simply the new wave of the future. We\'ve been using double AA for more than 20 years now. Don\'t you think it is time to move forward? Lithium ions are 4x-5x(not sure) more powerful than regular batteries and they as cheap as a worm light; and on top of that they are rechargable with a long life span(10 years?). Like I said before, Nintendo is using old tradition hardware and it sucks we have to suffer as a result considering they have such a grasp on the portable market.
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) are the ppl whom are simply not content with the state of the industry and would like to see things move forward rather than at a standstill
You read my mind, also yes I am a sega Fan. One of the problems with this industry is technological advances or leaps is only happening mainly in the computer industry. Why cause people are willing to drop the old and spend money for the new.
Take HDTV, we were supposed to have them standardized by 1998. Instead we have to wait till 2006.
In 1990 the industry wanted to bring in the digital widescreen TV\'s for all consumers. George Bush(the first) the FAG he is, said NO.
Also regarding DVD=ok nothing special. DVD\'s sound is what makes it worth the purchase not the video. They need to bring HD-DVD in the market, George Lucas wont release Star Wars until they do, I believe it\'s called Blue laser technology. High Definition DVD\'s has 3x times betterpicture than DVD. For those whom have a HDTV this new dvd format will really show off your TV\'s potential.
GBA is a big step back-wards in my opinion, SEGA had the nomad 4-5 years ago. you guys keep saying that a 3d Gpu will eat power up, well you are wrong. Granted a 3d chip will use more power than a 2d but depending how the chip is made, not much more. NVIDIA made the gefore2 mobile that uses 3x less power than the gefore gts. Just think if NVIDA made the TNT2 mobile chip, Peice of cake. That would rock a handled tnt2 chip. All that is left is a good lithium ion battary and you have a kick ass portable handheld. I hope mS makes one cause it seems to me the guys at redmond are the only ones who would actually attempt to do this.
REMEMBER folks lithium batteries last 4 time longer than convential AA, and you can recharge then for years.
Anyhow I have blabbered on enough.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
Maybe I am asking too much, but I\'m the kind of guy who expecs nothing but the best in Technology
LOL Godly. No you are not asking for too much. You are a rare visionary. I bet you are Sega fan, and not surprisingly rooting the Xbox on. You(much like I) are the ppl whom are simply not content with the state of the industry and would like to see things move forward rather than at a standstill. We thrive on innovation, and we are not merely satisfy with simple rehashes and overused ideas. ;)
Jumpman
The lighting isn\'t that big of a deal [/b]
Have you ever had the pleasure of seeing the beauty of a Sega Nomad in all of its back-lit glory sitting in the dark? Nice isn\'t it? Having a back-lit actually improves the outlook and the resolution of the screen. With no back-lit, it is hard to locate the correct lighting, and thus the screen looks dark, murky, and very low res. It is like playing a computer emulated Genesis game with Kreed\'s(the upgrade via computer) and then turning it to scanline mode. Huge difference!
BTW, regarding the battery issue....
Lithium ion is simply the new wave of the future. We\'ve been using double AA for more than 20 years now. Don\'t you think it is time to move forward? Lithium ions are 4x-5x(not sure) more powerful than regular batteries and they as cheap as a worm light; and on top of that they are rechargable with a long life span(10 years?). Like I said before, Nintendo is using old tradition hardware and it sucks we have to suffer as a result considering they have such a grasp on the portable market. [/B]
I\'m a Sega fan also, and I encourage innovation, but innovation too early also leads alot of time to market suicide. By all means, the Saturn was alot more innovate then the Psone. The Nomad was the most innovate handheld. Sega was always the most innoviate company, but they also had alot of the biggest commecial failures (note: That does not mean I am calling their products bad. I love Sega more then any company. I loved my SegaCd, Nomad, 32X).
I will agree that we should move to lithium for handhelds. But, in my opinion there is a place and time for everything. Expect it in the next handheld.
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Living in clip the nomad had a few problems.
1. It too like the Gamegear eat your batteries alive
2. Way to expensive
3. real heavy
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Living in clip the nomad had a few problems.
1. It too like the Gamegear eat your batteries alive
2. Way to expensive
3. real heavy
My point exactly. If you add a backlit and so on, they will eat your batteries. You add onto the price also, if you want all these powerful extras in a handheld.
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I\'m sorry to see all these \'3D whores\' on here. I love my 20 mpps running @ 60fps with FSAA, anisotropic filtering, bump mapping, and using 1024x1024 size textures, but would I like to see that on a 3" screen? Hell no.
Again I ask, was the Saturn/PSX/N64 your first console? Have you forgotten 2D gaming? If you can\'t appreciate 2D goodness, well, too bad.
This post isn\'t directed @ a single person. Just those who say 2D should be dead.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by datamage
I\'m sorry to see all these \'3D whores\' on here. I love my 20 mpps running @ 60fps with FSAA, anisotropic filtering, bump mapping, and using 1024x1024 size textures, but would I like to see that on a 3" screen? Hell no.
Again I ask, was the Saturn/PSX/N64 your first console? Have you forgotten 2D gaming? If you can\'t appreciate 2D goodness, well, too bad.
This post isn\'t directed @ a single person. Just those who say 2D should be dead.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
I feel the same man. Exactly the same.
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If you add a backlit and so on, they will eat your batteries.
Not if you use the latest tech out there, plus use Lithium Ion. 2d gaming is cool, but I would like to move on.
Oh and another thing with the LCD screen being small, enlarge it a little, and if one where to use a TNT2 chip all it\'s effects could be seen on a little lcd screen. It\'s only if you expect a geforce 2 or whatever to be seen on a little screen, your dreaming.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Not if you use the latest tech out there, plus use Lithium Ion. 2d gaming is cool, but I would like to move on.
Oh and another thing with the LCD screen being small, enlarge it a little, and if one where to use a TNT2 chip all it\'s effects could be seen on a little lcd screen. It\'s only if you expect a geforce 2 or whatever to be seen on a little screen, your dreaming.
Why would someone want 3D on a handheld tho? Lets overlook the batteries issue, and screen.
You need more buttons. More buttons will make it either cramped or bigger. Either way, it will be uncomfortable for alot of people. You also will need an analog stick. Where are you goin\' to put one of those on a handheld without gettin rid of the D-PAD totally? And do we want an analog stick on a handheld? It will be 10x more likely to get broken (the stick).
As for likin\' to move on from 2D gaming. 2D gaming has been done to perfection. Which means, for the most parts we can now finally enjoy beautifuly crafted 2D games. 3D still is problematic for alot of developers. And its been over 5 years now. Anyways, after another 5 years of 3D, where are you goin\' to move to then?
Both serve their purposes.
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Yes both do serve there purposes, but again the whole battery issue can be solved with lithium.
Oh and I forgot to mention the analog stick, I think that would rock to put on on.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Yes both do serve there purposes, but again the whole battery issue can be solved with lithium.
Oh and I forgot to mention the analog stick, I think that would rock to put on on.
Yeah, it would. \'Cept if you are carrying a portable system around and you drop it the chances of the analog stick breaking are very high.
By the way, you can\'t backlight the GBA, because of the SHARPLCD. as it is reflective only, any light that goes thru the LCD will just fade ("Wash") the pixels out.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Yeah, it would. \'Cept if you are carrying a portable system around and you drop it the chances of the analog stick breaking are very high.
By the way, you can\'t backlight the GBA, because of the SHARPLCD. as it is reflective only, any light that goes thru the LCD will just fade ("Wash") the pixels out.
Well, the neo geo pocket color had an analog stick instead of a digital D-Pad.
I\'ve never heard of anyone breaking their\'s . . . although I must admit, I always imagined a good fall would be all she wrote for the controls . . .
And no, you can\'t backlight the reflective screen. However, a light source ould be placed above the screen, under that crappy protective plate, which would sove the problem nicely. Still, that falls under the battery drain issues. :boom:
On the topic of playing 3d games on a small screen.
A few years ago, while spending time with my relatives, I needed some gaming to help kill the time. I brought my PSX, but had no TV I could hook it up to. So, being the clever person I am, I hooked the system up to my view cam . . . I imagine someone at Sony did the same and came up with the PSone screen add on years latter.
Anyway, playing games on this screen was possible and provided much needed entertainment. But, it wasn\'t something I would want to be forced to do as my only means of playing the console.
Most games were just bothersome to play in 3D on such a small screen, which is by far, larger than any portable screen to date. The problem was the games weren\'t intended to viewed on such a small scale. Too much was on screen at once, and . . .
oh hell, it just wasn\'t that great. Go try it for yourself.
I spent the whole time Playing Castlevania SOTN, which played like a dream. And why did it play so well? Because the on screen graphics we\'re a fixed size, highly detailed and smooth.
Sure we could have 3D games on a portable, but we would need a screen at least twice as large, which would have to be backlit. Otherwise, the experience is more trouble than its worth. Currently, the technology to do so is too costly.
I don\'t know about you guys, but I don\'t want to have a technological step forward which coppies the mistakes of the past. The days of $300.00 portables which eat up batteries like candy are gone, and I\'d like it to stay that way.
Frodo
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Originally posted by Frodo
Sure we could have 3D games on a portable, but we would need a screen at least twice as large, which would have to be backlit. Otherwise, the experience is more trouble than its worth. Currently, the technology to do so is too costly.
I don\'t know about you guys, but I don\'t want to have a technological step forward which coppies the mistakes of the past. The days of $300.00 portables which eat up batteries like candy are gone, and I\'d like it to stay that way.
Frodo
Exactly. The buisnesses also know this. You cannot have a succesful handheld that will cost $300 dollars and eat up batteries. Yes, you could move to lithium batteries, but still does not help the fact, that if you add all this \'flash\' and power, you will end up with a more expensive handheld .
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What flash and power, a tnt2 chip is no gefore my friends. Also the lcd screens on the camcorders suck, and considering you did this years ago technology in lcd has changed greatly.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Also the lcd screens on the camcorders suck, and considering you did this years ago technology in lcd has changed greatly.
Regardless, the point I made remains. I don\'t care if you get them to use one of the new high res transflective screens, 3D on a small screen is a pain.
The only way its going to look good and play well is if they do the following:
1. Supply a large, backlit high res screen. That alone will drive the cost up.
2. Make the games with portables in mind. Meaning the on screen graphics are developed specifically to run on a tiny little monitor. This will translate into less happening on screen, or lmited amounts of 3D interaction.
I reiterate, I don\'t believe the increase in resolution between that of my view cam, and new screen technology, will automatically solve these issues. The games, if made to be at least on par with PSX, will translate badly to a small screen.
Until this hurdle is cleared, it would be a poor decision to release such a device out onto the market. It may be innovative, it may be damn cool and it may bring a new next gen experience to the handheld market . . . but so did every other portable which couldn\'t sustain itself in the market place.
Frodo
Just give it time . . . you\'ll get what you want.
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I\'m happy with mine. My only gripe is that Castlevania isn\'t out here yet. F-Zero kicks some major butt too, though.
Oh yeah... and I got the last GBA in town... and... it\'s pink. It\'s kinda cute :)
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First off I must say that I love my GBA. Selling Snes was one of the worst mistakes I have done - as I have learned that the games on that dear console were the BEST of the rest. They were filled with Magic - and that\'s what I\'m seeking with GBA. And to this moment, GBA has brought me the good ol\' Nintendo Magic wich I love so much.
2d might be dead, but not for me. The old Snes-classics are far better than ANY new game, I must say. And when I bought GBA, I bought it because I wanted a portable Snes - and now I see I\'m getting much more. Mario Advance wins hands down every PS2 game in atmosphere - I just haven\'t played much my PS2. But GBA is the dream-come-true to all my gaming needs...
I don\'t care \'bout the dark screen - I have light-sources all over my house, and summer is bright so you can play the handheld outside as well.
I don\'t care how much better GBA would\'ve been - as if it would be better, I wouldn\'t have bought it. I want to experience the Snes-classics again - and NOT trough some emulator, but a portable console.
I give GBA 9/10.
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All this talk of 3d on a small screen reminded me of something we did at school once. It was the end of term, and a couple of up ahd brought in N64s. Thing was, there was only 1 TV to use. But someone else had one of those portable TVs along with them. So with a bit of blu tak we managed to attach the RF lead to the TVs\'s aerial and we had Goldeneye running on a 2 inch screen. So what did we do? We tried playing a 3 player game. I had to guess what options to set, and if it wasn\'t for auto aim I don\'t know how we would have got any kills. We didn\'t play long, the others gave up after about a minute. But it was fun to see GE on such a small screen.
Anyway, I\'ve had my GBA since March and it wasn\'t until the US release that I heard anything about the screen being too dark. I honestly never had a problem with the level of light on the screen. So I can\'t play with the lights out. It\'s not something I often need to do.
2D games though, you have to love them. Any mention of Metroid always get\'s me excited, a GBA version even more so. There are a number of 2D treasures of recent eyars that people have simply written off and being old. I\'m happy to see that all this 2D loveliness still around now has a home.
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the one problem I have with Game Boy Advance is that the games that are coming out for the system are gonna require a little more to play them like Street Fighter 2 Turbo. How can you play it with 2 buttons.
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Originally posted by smokedogg
the one problem I have with Game Boy Advance is that the games that are coming out for the system are gonna require a little more to play them like Street Fighter 2 Turbo. How can you play it with 2 buttons.
There is four buttons on the GBA and Capcom has worked out a control scheme for them. Don\'t worry.
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My only complaint is its hard to see the screen sometimes, but its awesome
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Originally posted by Bozco
My only complaint is its hard to see the screen sometimes, but its awesome
Is it the same/better/worse than GBC???
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Is it the better/same/worse than GBC???
I think worse but thats just me
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Wow, lots to reply to. Time to get to it:
TShirts:
- The system is deriving off of games(most of them) that are rehashes of prior SNES titles.
I can\'t stress this enough: Never judge a system by it\'s launch. If I had to judge the Dreamcast by it\'s Japanese launch, I never would have bought one, but as 2 years have quickly come and gone, the system has certainly gained my utmost respect. Maybe the GBA will do the same for you in just a little bit of time.
- No backlight is a big deal to me considering almost every system prior to this one has had one and every Sega system does have it. Again, the whole battery issue could of easily been resolved with the use of Lithiums and/or an advance battery pack and not age old double As.
I am totally forced to agree with this. If you keep the wormlight in 24/7 whenever you use the GBA, you are pulling the same amount of power from the AA\'s as if you were to have it backlit anyways. Nintendo can see that most people are investing in a wormlight anyways, but I fail to see why Nintendo didn\'t try and pull that money for itself from consumers by just designing a more costly second version.
P.S. I seriously think Nintendo could lose the portable war if a company as big as Sony or Microsoft decides to come in and take it. They could use that new graphics chip (as powerful as the DC) and have Square develope exclusively(since Nintendo won\'t let them on the GBA) for them. A 3D handheld system on the level of a DC will definitely be a lot more enticing than an age-old 2D game system that looks just like my SNES.
So far, there really isn\'t a handheld war at all. There\'s just a dictator running the world with its handhelds basically and Squaresoft just isn\'t enough to make a system really successful. Example: Wonderswan Color.
As for the comment about a 3D handhelds being more successful, it all depends on the games and the developer support. If Sony or MS dumped all this technology into a new handheld and actually came out with a screen that effectively displayed all this information, would the Japanese people and the American people buy it? The main reason why people love gaming consoles nowadays is because of their versatility and how much they can effect how great the game is. A huge TV and an awesome sound system can go a long way in emphasizing the greatness of a game. The question is, would a game like Madden or GT2 or MGS translate that well over to a handheld and small screen as 2D games have already proven to do?
Jumpman:
My only complaint about the GBA is the colour of them. I hate all of them, they look ridiculous. I wish Nintendo could of usen the GBA colours they had a Spaceworld. They were sweet. Take a look.
Damn right. I agree completely!
Ogodlything:
Maybe I am asking too much, but I\'m the kind of guy who expecs nothing but the best in Technology
Then to you, price is no object I gather.
Datamage:
I\'m sorry to see all these \'3D whores\' on here. I love my 20 mpps running @ 60fps with FSAA, anisotropic filtering, bump mapping, and using 1024x1024 size textures, but would I like to see that on a 3" screen? Hell no.
Again I ask, was the Saturn/PSX/N64 your first console? Have you forgotten 2D gaming? If you can\'t appreciate 2D goodness, well, too bad.
Truer words have never been spoken. I\'m sure a high majority of posters on this board didn\'t start gaming until the 32-bit age and that\'s just unfortunate. :( We\'re a dying breed, Data.
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Ogodlything:
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Maybe I am asking too much, but I\'m the kind of guy who expecs nothing but the best in Technology
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Then to you, price is no object I gather.
TRUE!
I\'m sure a high majority of posters on this board didn\'t start gaming until the 32-bit age and that\'s just unfortunate. We\'re a dying breed, Data
I was gamming in the days of ATARI.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Wow, lots to reply to. Time to get to it:
I am totally forced to agree with this. If you keep the wormlight in 24/7 whenever you use the GBA, you are pulling the same amount of power from the AA\'s as if you were to have it backlit anyways. Nintendo can see that most people are investing in a wormlight anyways, but I fail to see why Nintendo didn\'t try and pull that money for itself from consumers by just designing a more costly second version.
Datamage:
Truer words have never been spoken. I\'m sure a high majority of posters on this board didn\'t start gaming until the 32-bit age and that\'s just unfortunate. :( We\'re a dying breed, Data.
Nintendo can\'t backlight because of the SharpLCD. It would wash the pixels out. Now, I am not sayin\' this is a good excuse, because it isn\'t. Nintendo should of thought of this way ahead in development and picked a different screen. But, that is their reasoning or so I would imagine.
And you are right, we are a dyin\' breed. I\'m glad to see I\'m not the only one on the board that enjoys a good 2D game. I thought I was on this crusade alone.
;)
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Actually, I love 2D gaming. It is my favorite. The only problem I have with the GBA is most of the games seem like a bunch of rehashes we have been playing for the past ten years. The future doesn\'t look any different considering Nintendo is still riding off of their franchises by creating sequels after sequels. I bet you anything the next Metroid will simply be the age old Super Metroid with added graphics and a couple of more levels. I would not be surprise considering the direction Nintendo is taking with this handheld system and that is the only gripe I have. i hate dreaming about the possibilities. I just take a look at what is presented before me and make my judgement.
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Its kinda tight to me.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
Actually, I love 2D gaming. It is my favorite. The only problem I have with the GBA is most of the games seem like a bunch of rehashes we have been playing for the past ten years. The future doesn\'t look any different considering Nintendo is still riding off of their franchises by creating sequels after sequels. I bet you anything the next Metroid will simply be the age old Super Metroid with added graphics and a couple of more levels. I would not be surprise considering the direction Nintendo is taking with this handheld system and that is the only gripe I have. i hate dreaming about the possibilities. I just take a look at what is presented before me and make my judgement.
I know gba advance is getting alot of old ports. I think some of the games are expensive like castlevaina was $39 thats the same price I paid for sonic adventure2.