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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: IronFist on June 19, 2001, 11:41:48 AM
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http://www.fgnonline.com/nintendo/news/19000.html
Nintendo yesterday announced that that Game Boy Advance sold through a half-million units during its first week in stores, making it America\'s fastest-selling game system ever.
IGN contacted Sony America about the statement, and it had this to say: "We sold 510,000 units in the first two days PlayStation 2 was in the market. That\'s based on our [Sony\'s] initial numbers. At this point, the PS2 is the fastest selling system ever...and there is no system yet that could beat that, especially on a worldwide basis."
Hmm…
So Nintendo was a liar? I wonder why they lied. Maybe they were trying to give the GBA a little more hype. Or maybe they were hiding in their offices the day the PS2 was launched so they completely missed the greatest console launch of all time.
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Nintendo said they went by NPD Video Game sales reports which said Sony sold 300,000+ units that month. Nintendo is still enroute to sell 1,000,000 units this moth making them the fastest-selling game system ever.
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Didn\'t the PS2 sell 1 million in the first week in Japan?
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Originally posted by IronFist
Didn\'t the PS2 sell 1 million in the first week in Japan?
Nope, They sold 510,000 the first month.
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They sold 980,000 in the first week in Japan. :cool:
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Originally posted by IronFist
Didn\'t the PS2 sell 1 million in the first week in Japan?
Yeah they did. Well that is what was posted all over the net and in game magazines.
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It is still kind of funny how nintendo embellished on their sales. Almost as funny as the 10million shiped sony was trying to past off as total sales. :D
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Nintendo didn\'t embellish the sales. That number stands. They just claimed to be the fastest. Although the Sony rep who disputes that claim goes on to mention that Nintendo based its numbers on the TRSTS which represent only 75% of the market.
"We sold 510,000 units in the first two days the system was in the market. That\'s based on our [Sony\'s] initial numbers," said Smith. According to Nintendo representatives, the company based its numbers on the most recent NPD and TRSTS sales data for the month of October, which stated that the PlayStation sold through only 309,000 units that month. Smith commented: "TRSTS represents 75 to 80% of [the US] market...not the entire market."
TRSTS show 309,000 PS2s in a month and Sony counts 510,000 in two days. Then they show 500,000 GBAs in just a week... so imagine how many that would translate to. That being the case, it looks like Nintendo is the one who\'s right.
Further, even if Smith is right about everything, which doesn\'t seem likely, it is still reasonable to assume that if Nintendo used Sony\'s counting method, it could find that it sold as many as 666,666 GBA\'s during the first week. (For those wondering, 75% of that number is 500,000)
Either way, Nintendo is well on its way to [sing] moneymoneymoney MOOON-EY! ... MON-EY! [/sing]
-Eik
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if you noticed, it said that the ps2 sold 309,000 units that month
that means the same month that the GBA was launched.
so, the ps2 sold 309,000 units in the same month that the GBA was launched (remember, the ps2 is selling internationally, now.)
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whos cares about the sales? its not like your making any money!! God...some people just dont stop!!!
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Originally posted by Falcon4
if you noticed, it said that the ps2 sold 309,000 units that month
that means the same month that the GBA was launched.
so, the ps2 sold 309,000 units in the same month that the GBA was launched (remember, the ps2 is selling internationally, now.)
The sales data representing the PS2 is from October. I don\'t know for sure, but I assume October was when PS2 was launched. They\'re comparing launches. Obviously, GBA wasn\'t available last October.
-Eik
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Claypool is rite I mean who really cares who sold more its not like we\'re getting any advantage if Sony sold more PS2\'s. It\'s not like the GBA owners are gaining anything if th the GBA sold more. IT\'S ABOUT PLAYING THE GAMES AND HAVING FUN NOT WHO CAN SELL MORE AS LONG AS THEY COME OUT FOR SALE! :D
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Originally posted by FackinKubuss
Claypool is rite I mean who really cares who sold more its not like we\'re getting any advantage if Sony sold more PS2\'s. It\'s not like the GBA owners are gaining anything if th the GBA sold more. IT\'S ABOUT PLAYING THE GAMES AND HAVING FUN NOT WHO CAN SELL MORE AS LONG AS THEY COME OUT FOR SALE! :D
Actually we are gaining something. If a console sells better than another console then developers are more likely to develop for it. So comparing sales makes complete sense.
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Nintendo is just tryng to make itself look impressive.
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I think its impressive that Nintendo plans on selling around 24 million GBA\'s at the end of their fiscal year.
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In a press statement today, Nintendo announced that the Game Boy
Advance sold through a half-million units during its first week in stores,
making the GBA America\'s fastest-selling game system ever.
"We knew demand was going to be strong -- but this is a record-setting
response," says Peter Main, executive vice president, sales and marketing,
Nintendo of America. "The good news is that we are able to ship
approximately another 500,000 units by end of June with further product
to become available through July and August."
But is it really America\'s fastest-selling game system ever? We seem to
remember Sony claiming similar numbers back in October 2000 on the
PlayStation. We spoke with Molly Smith, Sony Computer Entertainment
America\'s Director of PR this afternoon regarding Nintendo\'s statement.
"We sold 510,000 units in the first two days the system was in the market.
That\'s based on our [Sony\'s] initial numbers," said Smith. According to
Nintendo representatives, the company based its numbers on the most
recent NPD and TRSTS sales data for the month of October, which
stated that the PlayStation sold through only 309,000 units that month.
Smith commented: "TRSTS represents 75 to 80% of [the US]
market...not the entire market."
As for the "Fastest Selling System" claim? Molly Smith offers this: "At this
point, the PS2 is the fastest selling system ever...and there is no system yet
that could beat that, especially on a worldwide basis."
Regardless of who wins this title, Nintendo still plans on selling more than
one million systems by the end of June, and 23 million units by March
2002. And that\'s a whole lotta systems. If Nintendo delivers on those
numbers, GBA would indeed be the "Fastest Selling System"...ever.
Why did they lie? What was the point when if people just searched the webthey could find out the truth. This was a stupid statement to make because once word gets out this will affect the marketing worse then if they just had told the truth. Who wants to buy stuff from liers? How will people now they didnt lie about the games if they never saw any pics or seen it? Trust me this is the biggest marketing statement Nintendo has ever made!
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Originally posted by cloud345
Who wants to buy stuff from liers
Me. And I\'ll be picking up Castlevania for my Gameboy Advance on Friday. ;]
-Eik
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Originally posted by cloud345
. Who wants to buy stuff from liers? How will people now they didnt lie about the games if they never saw any pics or seen it? Trust me this is the biggest marketing statement Nintendo has ever made! [/B]
Me. I have no problem that I invested my money into a GBA and will a GC. Why? Because (1) the games are fun and (2) every company lies about something. Not to mention I just don\'t care if they lied about sales. I know they sold at least one to me, so that is all that matters to me. This also won\'t effect future sales as the typical person does not keep up with sales numbers, they just go to the store and buy the system.
In short: This won\'t effect Nintendo any. No big deal.
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does it really matter though
i mean of course GBA will sell like hotcakes for one there is no competition for them and for two they are a lot less than 300 bucks - hell why wouldn\'t they sale like crazy
but even if it sells more it can\'t be the fastest selling console - fastest selling handheld yes - but how hard is that to pull off
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Originally posted by Sublimesjg
fastest selling handheld yes - but how hard is that to pull off
That depends if you\'re Nintendo or not.
-Eik
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Before Nintendo said anything about selling the 500,000 units... Sony had said back in October that they had sold 500,000 units. I found the exact Url at IGNPs2.com that tells this Sony Explains PS2 Shortages (http://ps2.ign.com/news/26926.html). It says in there that Sony had 500,000 units. Also after this Sony said that they sold out all of the "500,000" units. Now.. Someone comes along, and beats their launch sales. People, Sony just lied to make it look like they were better. The another quote:
"While Nintendo must be commended for the sales of their machine, in reality the PlayStation 2 sold three times as fast when it was initially launched, and we could have sold as many as three times the amount we achieved had we anticipated the demand."
"Also worth pointing out is that the PlayStation 2 cannot really be compared with the Game Boy Advance, due to the different price brackets of the systems. The PlayStation 2 is a complete multimedia package, and costs four times as much; it\'s pointless even making a direct comparison."
This here just shows what I am talking about "had we anticipated the demand....." Sony knew well that they had shortages, I don\'t know where they came up with this.The demand was so great.
Yes, comparing the PS2 to the GBA is a very hard proccess. You can\'t campare the graphics because its not a console, its a handheld. And the price range is much diffrent. Since we are talking about the American lauches of both systems in that quote we have this: "The PlayStation 2 is a complete multimedia package, and costs four times as much." I don\'t know where they get the 4 times as much. The GBA was $100 most places at launch, and the PS2 was at $300. The point I am trying to make is that Sony will tend to lie and push numbers to the limit to look higher (such as the polygons per second remark of how high the PS2 goes with no effects on which is like 75 or something, then the GC says how many with the effects on 12, and you get the numbers all messed up, and people think the the PS2 is much better Note: NGC can go over 12, the Star Destroyer in the Rogue Leader playable level at E3 did 8 million polys a sec on its own.) The 510,00 mark is not true at all. Its kinda like the David Manning thing.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Before Nintendo said anything about selling the 500,000 units... Sony had said back in October that they had sold 500,000 units. I found the exact Url at IGNPs2.com that tells this Sony Explains PS2 Shortages (http://ps2.ign.com/news/26926.html). It says in there that Sony had 500,000 units. Also after this Sony said that they sold out all of the "500,000" units. Now.. Someone comes along, and beats their launch sales. People, Sony just lied to make it look like they were better. The another quote:
This here just shows what I am talking about "had we anticipated the demand....." Sony knew well that they had shortages, I don\'t know where they came up with this.The demand was so great.
Yes, comparing the PS2 to the GBA is a very hard proccess. You can\'t campare the graphics because its not a console, its a handheld. And the price range is much diffrent. Since we are talking about the American lauches of both systems in that quote we have this: "The PlayStation 2 is a complete multimedia package, and costs four times as much." I don\'t know where they get the 4 times as much. The GBA was $100 most places at launch, and the PS2 was at $300. The point I am trying to make is that Sony will tend to lie and push numbers to the limit to look higher (such as the polygons per second remark of how high the PS2 goes with no effects on which is like 75 or something, then the GC says how many with the effects on 12, and you get the numbers all messed up, and people think the the PS2 is much better Note: NGC can go over 12, the Star Destroyer in the Rogue Leader playable level at E3 did 8 million polys a sec on its own.) The 510,00 mark is not true at all. Its kinda like the David Manning thing.
Uh, so if SONY can lie, then what about Nintendo? Plus, I wouldn\'t say that SONY lied, but the representatives either were misinformed on a specfic detail, or they stretched the PS2\'s abilities. They\'re trying to sell something, just like everyone else.
About the demand thing, when Sony first started the manufacturung process, they estimated the # of PS2\'s to be produced and set a budget. This was long before they found out the demand was so high, and by then it was too late to make adequate changes.
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Sony lies a lot more than Nintendo does. I said something to SonySource.com and they agreed with me. I can\'t remember where Nintendo lied about any of its specs of a system, they changed some, but to make it better.
They new well the demand would still be so high, they were garenteeing 1,000,000 units in the US, but only half of it came. They knew that there would be shortages, and they had been hyping the PS2 for along time before hand.
They also knew that they never had an extra 10,000 units. It was around 500,000 and everyone said back in October the same thing. But then they needed something to make it look better than the GBA, so they make something up and the general public belives them.
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There was a certain part needed for PS2 that ran out during initial manufacturing. That\'s why they didn\'t have enough at launch time. Either that, or some penny pusher up the corporate ladder made a mistake and won\'t admit to it, accounting for the shortage. In any event there was a shortage and SONY has probably figured out why and has probably learned their lesson. End of story.
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Good, I was just trying to prove that they screwed up ad that they did know what there was a demand. Anyone else want to comment.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Good, I was just trying to prove that they screwed up ad that they did know what there was a demand. Anyone else want to comment.
Or did they?
J/k, couldn\'t help myself! :nut:
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Or Maybe someone has been staying up too late:) Wait, your in Greece. NEVERMIND :D