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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Tshirts on June 20, 2001, 03:45:04 AM
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Whenever an important game comes along that has the ability to repeal a system success such as Twisted Metal: Black, GT2, FF8, Shenmue, etc. It seems like the scores are usually swayed in Sony\'s favor regardless of the stature of the game. I mean, for Twisted Metal: Black, this is their first franchise since the launch, and all the hoopla around the PS2 has died out and careened to the other next generation consoles. Plus with the release of GT3 coming up, Sony really needs to ride the momentum of this game going into the crucial fall period because there will be no other franchise of this caliber from now till then. This game is VERY important! It is as important as FF8(released on the DC launch day to combat the system single handedly), GT2(the success of this game was eminent because the PSX was stagnant for 6 months of quality software and it was during the crucial Christmas season), Shenmue(released at the PS2 launch and was one of the most hyped, and crucial Sega software at the time). Shenmue ended up with a lower than expected score, and both FF8 and GT2 walked away with stella scores. All three games got undeserving reviews. GT2 was "admittedly" a flawed title, FF8 was consider by many "the worse in the series", and Shenmue, although a stale game, did not deserved a score of 7.0(later they admitted they were wrong and re-reviewed the game). Although I have seen many hyped PSX and PS2 products getting low scores from Gamespot, it is the games that have the ability to turn the tides of the console war, the most crucial games, that are getting the advantages in Sony\'s favor. I smell something fishy!
Also...
Consider this, the game(Twisted Metal: Black) recieving a 9.5 firmly places it in the elite group of stellar titles like:
Chrono Cross, Soul Calibur, and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Paper Mario, etc.
All great, innovative softwares that brought some new gameplay, and extended it\'s respective genre to new heights.
Twisted Metal: Black is nothing more than a rehash with updated graphics and I strongly believe it does not deserve the kind of accolades VG is currently giving it. Even great, innovational games like Super Mario 64, Tony Hawk, Jet Grind Radio, Eternal Arcadia, etc failed to infiltrate this elite group. How can an uninspiring, hash over title happen to do what some of the most awespiring, invigorating ones failed to?
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thgats another interesting point...hmm...ever thought its the individual reviewers opinion on the game? i really doubt that this \'consipracy\' would be true, nor could i tbe proven. Personally, i think most reviewers of PS2 games have been harsh up until now, probably due to the fact that, while its good, not AS good as they thought, judging it more harshly. Finally comes along a game that is just plain FUN to play, and they could keep coming back to time and time again, probably more so than those other games you mentioned, something that has great party play value, replay value, multiplayer, with a slightly \'weak\' and not so innovative single player, and it gets a high score *SHOCK HORROR* how can this be.
This games reviewer disagrees with your opinions Tshirts, then thats tough luck
but you did make some good points :) sorry if i sound like a jerk :) but i believe its not true
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Unfortunately most games coming out for consoles nowadays are so-called "re-hashes".
That said, it doesn\'t really mean squat when reviewing a game. Reviews are based on Graphics, Gameplay, Sound, innovation, playability, and some other aspects.
From what many reviewers are saying TMB excels at all of the criteria... I won\'t go through all of the plusses of the game and how well the game is put together and played, you can just read any of a number of reviews on the web already that point that out.
My point is this. TMB, from the sounds of the available reviews, DESERVES the score. Just read other reviews.
[Note: I actually think Videogames.com is somewhat anti-Sony....eh?? To each their own I guess]
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I truly doubt the reviews are "rigged" and I doubt there is a giant conspiracy goin\' on with Sony and web-based "publications". But, you do make valid points.
The problem with any site or magazine is it is based off one persons review. I agree, that it amazes me TMB got better ratings then Jet Grind Radio, Super Mario 64, Shenmue and other games (original, classic titles). But, it is one reviewers opinion. It doesn\'t actually mean the game is better. I\'m positive you know and realize this, so I won\'t preach that point any further.
Your post was a nice read and conspiracy theory, but failed to prove anything beyond a few examples, that could be very well passed off as personal reviewer opinion.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
Whenever an important game comes along that has the ability to repeal a system success such as Twisted Metal: Black, GT2, FF8, Shenmue, etc. It seems like the scores are usually swayed in Sony\'s favor regardless of the stature of the game. I mean, for Twisted Metal: Black, this is their first franchise since the launch, and all the hoopla around the PS2 has died out and careened to the other next generation consoles. Plus with the release of GT3 coming up, Sony really needs to ride the momentum of this game going into the crucial fall period because there will be no other franchise of this caliber from now till then. This game is VERY important! It is as important as FF8(released on the DC launch day to combat the system single handedly), GT2(the success of this game was eminent because the PSX was stagnant for 6 months of quality software and it was during the crucial Christmas season), Shenmue(released at the PS2 launch and was one of the most hyped, and crucial Sega software at the time). Shenmue ended up with a lower than expected score, and both FF8 and GT2 walked away with stella scores. All three games got undeserving reviews. GT2 was "admittedly" a flawed title, FF8 was consider by many "the worse in the series", and Shenmue, although a stale game, did not deserved a score of 7.0(later they admitted they were wrong and re-reviewed the game). Although I have seen many hyped PSX and PS2 products getting low scores from Gamespot, it is the games that have the ability to turn the tides of the console war, the most crucial games, that are getting the advantages in Sony\'s favor. I smell something fishy!
Also...
Consider this, the game(Twisted Metal: Black) recieving a 9.5 firmly places it in the elite group of stellar titles like:
Chrono Cross, Soul Calibur, and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Paper Mario, etc.
All great, innovative softwares that brought some new gameplay, and extended it\'s respective genre to new heights.
Twisted Metal: Black is nothing more than a rehash with updated graphics and I strongly believe it does not deserve the kind of accolades VG is currently giving it. Even great, innovational games like Super Mario 64, Tony Hawk, Jet Grind Radio, Eternal Arcadia, etc failed to infiltrate this elite group. How can an uninspiring, hash over title happen to do what some of the most awespiring, invigorating ones failed to?
Are u from Microsoft :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by tHe GaMe
Are u from Microsoft :rolleyes:
I see nothing in his post that points to Microsoft. Infact, he mentions mostly Sega. Why are you so quick to think he is employeed by MS or an Xbox fanboy?
While, I don\'t exactly agree with his conspiracy theory, I think asking if he was from MS was rather silly.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I see nothing in his post that points to Microsoft. Infact, he mentions mostly Sega. Why are you so quick to think he is employeed by MS or an Xbox fanboy?
While, I don\'t exactly agree with his conspiracy theory, I think asking if he was from MS was rather silly.
Well I\'m sticking up for Sega/Sony/Nintendo the Japanese trio.
If Odgodly and those other b*tches can b*tch about Sony then I can b*tch about Crashsoft.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I see nothing in his post that points to Microsoft. Infact, he mentions mostly Sega. Why are you so quick to think he is employeed by MS or an Xbox fanboy?
because he is a sony fanboy, and is afraid of microsoft.
anyways, MANY different websites gave TM:B great ratings. so i would think that the game is good.
im picking it up any minute now, they just have to call me:D
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If Ogodly and those other b*tches can b*tch about Sony then I can b*tch about Crashsoft.
Yeah but we actually have a reason to, with strong soild facts to back it up. As T-shirts said "Sony did not deliver"
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In case anyone missed it, the T in Tshirts stands for Troll
one of the many he\'s worn, I\'m sure
Proof?
ITO FF8 and GT2 overrated + Shemnue underrated IMO= Dead DC up "T"shirts ass
Comparing reviews for games of different genres to try and make a feeble case...
Typical Troll Tactic- so old it predates the PS2 launch
Being well behaved doesn\'t hide the specious reasoning consistent with most trollers. Tshirt would love it if we were to provide more examples of his nonsense because the mission, when ever possible, is to argue and spew propaganda. Anything to keep our minds off the idea PS2 is kicking ass now and every month until xbox launches.
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Why are review scores compared for different genres in your post? How can you compare the score for Shenmue to TM:B? It is possible that these same sites, the ones who play the games in their Beta states and overhype it for the readers, are the ones who believe that the games truly are great. Sometimes these hyped up games truly do deliver on their hyped up points and sometimes they just don\'t. I recall Bouncer being equally as hyped up by many publications only to slam face first into hard-nosed reviews. I don\'t see how Bouncer was any less important as a software title as Twisted Metal Black is supposedly.
On another note, just about every publication has given high marks to TM:B, not just gamespot. Plus, when it comes to reviews, you have to respect one simple fact that is known to all who work in the industry and it\'s words to live by if you ever land a job at these publications:
One man\'s crap is another man\'s treasure.
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Originally posted by Ryu
One man\'s crap is another man\'s treasure.
Exactly, Some of my favorite games got crap reviews in the mags and from online editors.
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Exactly, Some of my favorite games got crap reviews in the mags and from online editors
True, it\'s all a matter of taste.
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:laughing:
I cannot believe anyone here can actually read this crap without pissing there pants in hysterical laughter
I smell something fishy
talk about paranoid Sony hating dellusions
and Ogodlything, Sometimes I respect what you say, but I\'ll say this. You are every bit the meathead I originally took you to be. Your like the pussy kid, in a big confrontation, standing behind the bully looking over his shoulder and shouting "Yeah, you better watch it or ..."
Twisted Metal Black has received high scores from EVERY SINGLE REVIEWER ON THE WEB as well as magazines etc...
are both you Ogodlydork and T****s going to tell me that this is a conspiracy ?????
DO either of you realize how insane, and just downright dellusional you 2 sound..
I don\'t see how anyone here can even treat this thread seriously
:laughing:
You know what\'s even funnier, is how T****s here rates TM:B low because of lack of innovation (even though the immense interactive battlefields , greatly improved physics, and animation represents a big part of next gen innovation) Yet so many people out there are screaming for old styled gameplay and 2d games.
No game needs to be innovative to receive big scores, and a game can be very innovastive and still suck ass.
this is just way to funny
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Twisted Metal Black has received high scores from EVERY SINGLE REVIEWER ON THE WEB as well as magazines etc...
are both you Ogodlydork and T****s going to tell me that this is a conspiracy ?????
:laughing: :laughing:
C\'mon ddaryl, don\'t you know Sony payed BIG bucks so TM:B can receive great reviews? :rolleyes: :laughing:
The day I will respect shirtman\'s opinion is the day the N64 generates 100mpps in real-time.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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LMFAO!!
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
I agree with ddaryl!
LOL!
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I can see what you\'re saying, ddaryl.
What are you trying to achieve, Tshirts? Why can\'t you understand that games can get good reviews, whether you like them or not?
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Well sony got busted for the fake reviews they used on their movies so now they are doing to with their games.
nAW I don\'t believe the TMB review is set up. Twisted metal is a fun series especially with 4 players and with better graphics, better vehicles, and weapons there is noway it could not be a awesome game. But I have to go buy first then I will give my review but I expect it to be a good game.
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Well consider this....
I posted the same post in 3 forums(2 Sega forums, and 1 Sony). In the Sony forum( http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=161&topic=938498 ) almost everyone said I was full of BS and they are not definitely rigged, and in the Sega forums ( http://www.gamerweb.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/012582.html and http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=149&topic=938488 ) everybody\'s opinion was in direct contrast to what the other forum was saying. The ppl at the Sega forum (almost everyone: some fanboys, some not) strongly believes Videogames.com are pro-Sony. Why is that? If this site was without a doubt evidently unbiased, why are there still a vast number of individuals questioning their integrity? Maybe you are not seeing what the Sega fans, and the unbiased gamers have been seeing all along. Think about it guys.
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You are every bit the meathead I originally took you to be. Your like the pussy kid, in a big confrontation
Not really T-shirts makes his points very clear, it\'s obvious he spends time on his posts to make sure he covers all ground. So there is need for me to write a whole paragraph on why I agree, I have better things to do. I like T-shirts cause this man just says it like it is.
I consider myself a smart consumer, I only buy the best for my money\'s worth. My girlfriend wasted her money on PS2, I know it, she knows it. Don\'t get me wrong I had wished that the psx2 was going to be all that sony said it was, considering i was a fan of the PS1, which I loved, but PS2 to me is like choosing between cable modem and a T3 connection for the same price.
you ddarryl since you took the time to insult me, are just a weak mislead consumer, trying to justify your purchase, in order to self-delude yourself into believing that PS2 is worth the money. Man I have been smart shopping for high tech stuff for years now and I know when I see a quailty product and one that has been rushed. There is as much truth to this, as what you have said to me. Take that how you will.
are both you Ogodlydork and T****s going to tell me that this is a conspiracy ?????
No i\'m not.
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Because non Sony / PS2 fans just can\'t handle the truth and that is the PS2 will have more then its share of kick ass games. That is why its leading the way and has the largest following.
People hate the Big Dog and root for the underdog, thats why Sega freaks, Nintendo Zealots and XBox fanlads come up with these lame conspiracy theories
BUT TSHirts
PS2 fans consider videogames.com the toughest widely repected reviewer of videogames when it comes to PS2 titles. For the longest time they we\'re rating games well under what PS2 fans thought they deserved.
When Gamepot or videogames.com gives a high score on a PS2 game its because it is that good
98% of the people who now have TM"B and or NBA Street are raving about these games unlike you who gave it an very undeserved albeit your opinion 7.2
( I will say this TShirts, you have away of saying weird ****, but you don\'t seem to get bent out of shape when we call your bluff, thats a commendable trait.)
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Well sony got busted for the fake reviews they used on their movies so now they are doing to with their games.
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Where did you hear this? Anyway you can find me a link?
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Originally posted by tHe GaMe
Well I\'m sticking up for Sega/Sony/Nintendo the Japanese trio.
If Odgodly and those other b*tches can b*tch about Sony then I can b*tch about Crashsoft.
Leave it up to "The Game" to make something out of nothing....
geeeez....
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Tshirts, in case you missed this, then here is the one line that almost completely destroys your argument.
Originally posted by Ryu
One man\'s crap is another man\'s treasure.
No elaboration is needed. The person who wrote that might of been a huge TM fan.
But in my personal opinion, I don\'t think VG.com\'s review system is rigged, I just think it\'s pretty ****ed up. How on earth did Zelda:MM get an 8.4? How did Grandia 2 get a 7.9? how did Metal Gear Solid get a 8.5? How did Mario Kart 64 get 6.4? How did Shenmue get 7.9? How did FFIX get 8.7? I doubt their rigged, I just think they\'re all slighty high on magic mushrooms sometimes which leads to these crazy reviews.
But if TW:B got 9.6 from IGN then I can\'t say anything about the VG.com review because the IGN sites don\'t give games higher scores just because of their hype. I trust them, so I can\'t complain about TM:B getting a 9.5 from VG.com.
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You know what\'s even funnier, is how T****s here rates TM:B low because of lack of innovation (even though the immense interactive battlefields , greatly improved physics, and animation represents a big part of next gen innovation)
- Immense interactive battlefields(arenas, levels, etc): Crazy Taxi
- Improved physics: Wave Race 64
- animation: LOL come again?
Twisted Metal Black has received high scores from EVERY SINGLE REVIEWER ON THE WEB as well as magazines etc...
Bold statement, but sorry NOT EVERY SINGLE REVIEWER ON THE WEB HAS POSTED A REVIEW.
DO either of you realize how insane, and just downright dellusional you 2 sound.. [/b]
No not really. Considering I have played the game, I don\'t think it should stand along such greats as Soul Caliber, Chrono Cross, Zelda:OoT, and/or get a "higher grade from their scale" than a Tony Hawk, and Mario 64. Consider this, their criteria is to rate games according to the "like" games on the platforms. If that is the case, Tony Hawk and Mario 64 should of both gotten perfect scores considering they are great titles and there are no other games like them on their respective consoles.
Also, like Xbox said, Sony got caught for rigging their movie scores. It is not a far fetch idea they could do the same for their game scores.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
Also, like Xbox said, Sony got caught for rigging their movie scores. It is not a far fetch idea they could do the same for their game scores.
Care to provide a link to that statement? As far as I remember it was two \'creative\' marketing guys at Paramount who \'invented\' a guy at a newpaper somewhere. The paper was real, the guy was not (and they got 1 month off without pay). However, that it not like this situation at all. You can go to videogames.com etc. and read the real review. Plus in the other case, they caught on to it because that guy said nice things about movies that totally sucked according to the majority of reviewers. That, too, is not the case here where everyone is raving about the game. So in this case I think you can shove the conspiracy theory up your ***. :)
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Ahem. Why on earth would a person just directly compare something like Zelda : Oot and TM:B just like that? They\'re from different genres altogether, and at least in my opinion, those games can\'t be compared.
Ask me for my fave game and I can\'t pick just one, because I\'ve got my favourites spread across half a dozen different genres. Maybe TM:B just is worth a near perfect ten, as a car combat game. I\'d probably score Zelda : OoT in the low nineties, and wipE\'out" 2097 well above it, because I enjoyed the latter game more.
And you\'ll have to be a real dimwit to nitpick about other people\'s opinions... yes, you might want everyone to think like you do, but opinions are one of the things you just have to accept in this world.
And no game should receive a perfect score (a finnish, well, originally swedish game mag scored Mario 64 100/100, which I found ridiculous). There is no perfect game. A perfect game would be one that everyone would enjoy, and nobody would complain about. Just show me one. I doubt there\'ll ever be one. There are, though, great games that will find their rightful fans. TM:B being one of these, apparently. Scores mean ****.
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Lots of things to reply to here... lets get the ball rolling.
Originally posted by Jumpman:
Tshirts, in case you missed this, then here is the one line that almost completely destroys your argument.
Heh, most intelligent people noticed that and agreed with it in one way or another, but it was somehow ignored by the topic starter. I find it strange how those making an arguement hear only what they want to hear, or what they can argue against.
Originally posted by Tshirts:
Maybe you are not seeing what the Sega fans, and the unbiased gamers have been seeing all along. Think about it guys.
Biased? You compare opinions with opinions and then proceed to call us biased? You started this topic to knock videogames.com\'s OPINIONS on Sony titles and then come into a Sony forum and proceed to call us biased? That\'s pretty sad. I suppose those games, Metal Gear Solid, FFIX, and many others, just don\'t figure into your perspective. Again, I feel this is just something that you want to see in order to prove your own views. All because you ignore the points doesn\'t mean we will. So far, as everyone as said in this thread, every company has had their fair share of crap review from videogames.com, but I find it funny that you immediately single them out for pro-Sony views when they give a high score to one title. Maybe they actually think *gasp* the game is good?
- Immense interactive battlefields(arenas, levels, etc): Crazy Taxi
I don\'t remember Crazy Taxi ever having the ability for me to literally change the face of the enviornment while I\'m playing and make the level an all new experience. Let\'s also not forget which one is multiplayer...
- Improved physics: Wave Race 64
That\'s intelligent. I don\'t know if we were playing the same Wave Race 64 or not, but I don\'t remember being able to turn on a dime and kill my friend with a missle shot in that one. Oh well, maybe you remember things differently then I do when you play games.
- animation: LOL come again?
Yah man, the TM:B animations suck. To hell with the fact that practically every part on the car moves in real time with the press of a button, or the fact that it displays damage at varying levels, or even the fact that some cars literally tranform to unleash specials. I guess the Taxi\'s and Waverunners in Crazy Taxi and Wave Race 64 all did that as well. :rolleyes: However, I\'d think the better comparison would be to the only other vehicular combat game that is out on the market now for next generation systems, and that is Vigilante 8 for the Dreamcast and I don\'t think any of the V8 cars held a candle to what TM:B pulls off with ease.
Bold statement, but sorry NOT EVERY SINGLE REVIEWER ON THE WEB HAS POSTED A REVIEW.
That\'s right. Sh|t man, only these high profile, highly respected 500,000 hits + a day sites have posted high mark reviews. I guess those smaller sites are a little slow, a little understaffed, and a little pissed off about working for peanuts. Damn, but when they get up to speed and start bashing one of the greatest PS2 games of this year, you be sure to come in here and post lots of obscure links and references none of us have ever heard of.
No not really. Considering I have played the game, I don\'t think it should stand along such greats as Soul Caliber, Chrono Cross, Zelda:OoT, and/or get a "higher grade from their scale" than a Tony Hawk, and Mario 64. Consider this, their criteria is to rate games according to the "like" games on the platforms. If that is the case, Tony Hawk and Mario 64 should of both gotten perfect scores considering they are great titles and there are no other games like them on their respective consoles.
Again, you\'re comparing reviews for totally different games in totally different genres. Posting a comparitive review between Madden2k1 for the PC and Madden2k1 for the PS2 is one thing, but don\'t do it for Twisted Metal Black and Ocarina of Time. Any sane Nintendo fan will tell you that the two are incredibly different and comparing one to the other is just downplaying each respective title. I wouldn\'t have to say the above if you had just listened to what people have been telling you in this thread all along, but you really do have a tendency to ignore the good arguments against your claims.
Also, like Xbox said, Sony got caught for rigging their movie scores. It is not a far fetch idea they could do the same for their game scores.
I\'m not on Sony\'s "payroll." I don\'t get paid when I put my reviews for games up in here. All i do is post my honest opinions of great games or poor games. TM:B is a great title in my opinion and if you think it is terrible, that\'s your opinion, but just know that nearly everyone who has played this game has loved it in one way or another. Oh well, I admire your fight to have your opinion heard, but opinions are like assholes; everyone has one, and everyone thinks everyone elses stinks.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
PS2 fans consider videogames.com the toughest widely repected reviewer of videogames when it comes to PS2 titles. For the longest time they we\'re rating games well under what PS2 fans thought they deserved.
When Gamepot or videogames.com gives a high score on a PS2 game its because it is that good
THANK YOU
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Ryu,
I applaud you. Great response. I couldn\'t have said it better myself. :)
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Great post Ryu, but I feel that you have missed my point.
I find it strange how those making an arguement hear only what they want to hear, or what they can argue against.
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Well, let\'s just set the whole Twisted Metal review aside. I came to the realization that I am wrong for contending with Mr. Mcdonald\'s review even though I might not agree with his criterias. Still though, I have no right to speak against a person\'s opinion. My bad!
With that aside, I believe we are dealing with an even bigger issue at hand, and that is VGs pro-Sony attitude. It is no secret really. I still believe if VG is without a doubt unquestionable unbiased, then there shouldn\'t be a legion(almost all) of Sega fans whom I spoke to(around the web in various forums and sites) still questioning their integrity. It is one thing to be a harsh critic, but quite another to be biased altogether. Sega fans are feeling like they are getting the shaft, and that is the point I am trying to make here.
Biased? You compare opinions with opinions and then proceed to call us biased? [/b]
Not too long ago, VG themselves admitted to "being at fault" for not playing Shenmue "all the way through", so they re-reviewed the game and gave it a higher score; and the only reason why they did that was because so many fans wrote in and complain about their inaccurate review. I wonder how many other low profile games have not gotten the review they so deserve. What can I say? Is it wrong of me to question their integrity when it is a known fact that they have shafted Sega fans in the past?
Sony forum and proceed to call us biased?[/b]
Gee thanx! When did I alleged anyone of biasness in here?
So far, as everyone as said in this thread, every company has had their fair share of crap review from videogames.com, but I find it funny that you immediately single them out for pro-Sony views when they give a high score to one title. Maybe they actually think *gasp* the game is good? [/b]
Again, I must reiterate, there are a number of reasons and not just the Twisted Metal score. All stated above.
Posting a comparitive review between Madden2k1 for the PC and Madden2k1 for the PS2 is one thing, but don\'t do it for Twisted Metal Black and Ocarina of Time. Any sane Nintendo fan will tell you that the two are incredibly different and comparing one to the other is just downplaying each respective title.
Ok, maybe you should tell that to the various magazines and websites who post articles of "the best 100 games of all time". They, just like I, are comparing the dissimilar games to one another. I mean, I don\'t think it is that hard to equate the stature of a Mortal Kombat and a Zelda and come out with the conclusion that Zelda is a more high grade product than the latter.
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TShirts:
With that aside, I believe we are dealing with an even bigger issue at hand, and that is VGs pro-Sony attitude. It is no secret really. I still believe if VG is without a doubt unquestionable unbiased, then there shouldn\'t be a legion(almost all) of Sega fans whom I spoke to(around the web in various forums and sites) still questioning their integrity. It is one thing to be a harsh critic, but quite another to be biased altogether. Sega fans are feeling like they are getting the shaft, and that is the point I am trying to make here.
Every person has their own personal preference for games. Even reviewers prefer certain games over others from time to time. I myself have consistantly asked not to review racing games and FPS games for console for if I did, I would obliterate them without giving thema chance in hell of achieving high scrores. Sometimes however, with a big enough title, I must review it to present a varying opinion on the subject so the high praise is earned in that category.
However, the one thing I am compelled to point out in the Gamespot reviews is that of the "reviewer\'s tilt," which of course refers to the reviewers bias towards a specific genre or title. If it is 10, then this reviewer has been totally hyped up towards a specific title, but if it\'s a 5 or something, then their interest is very low for it. This pretty much excuses any type of bias remarks from anyone on their reviews, but don\'t think that they were hired for their biased intentions. I am inclined to up-play MGS2 as much as anyone else on this board and down-playing it would be a very difficult task to fulfill, but I\'m sure you can understand that especially for such a mammoth title.
Additionally, on the note of Sega fans especially, I honestly don\'t think that\'s a valid point. As was said before, one man\'s crap is another man\'s treasure. Perhaps it\'s just Sega games that they utterly despise, but who knows? There are plenty of times videogames.com and myself refuse to agree on review scores, but it is their opinion, it is their site, and they are the ones getting paid for it. Who am I, a loley wannabe writer, to disagree with them and tell them how to do their job? I can ***** and moan all I want, but I don\'t expect them to change simply because I disagree with their opinion.
Not too long ago, VG themselves admitted to "being at fault" for not playing Shenmue "all the way through", so they re-reviewed the game and gave it a higher score; and the only reason why they did that was because so many fans wrote in and complain about their inaccurate review. I wonder how many other low profile games have not gotten the review they so deserve. What can I say? Is it wrong of me to question their integrity when it is a known fact that they have shafted Sega fans in the past?
No arguement here, but you keep referring to Shenmue as your biggest point, are there any other Sega games that got shafted as apparently as Shenmue has? At least they publicly admitted their faults and they redid the review. I, however, don\'t feel that is the case with just about any other review. The only one that I know of that had a huge stink made over was Shenmue. Any others is just speculation, but I don\'t feel that the entire site, and every individualistic opinion should be put into question, especially those siding with specific Sony titles. If you question gamespot integrity, then feel free to question their short and poor review style rather then their opinions because that my friend, is pointless on so many levels.
Gee thanx! When did I alleged anyone of biasness in here?
Here\'s the reference provided by you:
Maybe you are not seeing what the Sega fans, and the unbiased gamers have been seeing all along. Think about it guys.
We\'re not seeing what the unbiased gamers see? If those Sega fans are unbiased, then what are we? If we\'re not the unbiased gamers, then we must be the opposite and that sure as hell sounds like what you were saying there.
Ok, maybe you should tell that to the various magazines and websites who post articles of "the best 100 games of all time". They, just like I, are comparing the dissimilar games to one another. I mean, I don\'t think it is that hard to equate the stature of a Mortal Kombat and a Zelda and come out with the conclusion that Zelda is a more high grade product than the latter.
All because Twisted Metal: Black got a 9+ score doesn\'t mean it puts it into the top 100 all-time greatest titles. Maybe for this year or the next, but definitely not for all time. I can easily think of much better games that got even LOWER scores from gamespot in that respect, but as I said, there are PLENTY of games I\'d much rather play then TM:B, but that\'s not to say that TM:B isn\'t awesome in its own right. Besides that, even a top 100 poll is still biased by the opinion of the reader. I think Chrono Trigger was and is the greatest game of all time, but that doesn\'t mean it\'ll see #1 on the top 100. Think about that for a bit, please.