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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: TheOgodlyThing on June 20, 2001, 09:41:02 PM
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First off this thread is not ment as a attack, nor do I wish it to turn into a flame war. So those of you that find this upseting please do not read further.
Amusement Vision president Toshihiro one of sega\'s teams(Daytona etc..) said this in an interview with FamitsuDC.
FamitsuDC: Do you feel it will be geared toward younger audiences?
"Nagoshi-san: I believe Nintendo\'s platforms appeal to all ages, however, their focus is younger players. Still, I think the GameCube will yield surprising results regardless of your target audience. The reality is Nintendo is youth-oriented, but their software and the GameCube platform have enormous growth potential.
So there you have another develeoper confirms it. Don\'t forget he does say that Nintendo games have appeal to many ages, and that there is "potenial" for growth
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"there you have another develeoper confirms it" ~ OGodly
confirms? hardly, if its his personal opinion then it is hardly \'confirmation\'. The only \'confirmation\' possible is if Nintendo themselves came out and stated that they are targeting the younger audience. The audience targetted depends on the gamnes being made. If this guy doesnt want to make kiddy games, then its not aimed at kids (or at least his particular games). Anyhoo, whats the point...it really doesnt matter even if it was aimed at \'kids\', there will still be plenty of games aimed at 18+ and everywhere in between, all consoles will have their games aimed at \'kids\', and if they dont, then they are missing out on a big bit of the pie.
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Since when did "kiddy" mean "not fun"? Just asking.
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Call me crazy, but don\'t kids play videogames? I don\'t understand how people can think shutting them out and purely focusing on 18+ gamers is a good strategy.
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Since when did "kiddy" mean "not fun"? Just asking
Never, nobody ever said that kiddy didn\'t mean fun.
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My girlfriend always tells me i\'m a big kid so it still appeals to me even though I\'m 20
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
nobody ever said that kiddy didn\'t mean fun.
Then why bring it up and label it as a confirmation?
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I\'m sorry, I was under the impression that all of us on this board was just overgrown kids. I mean, how many of us collect toys / watch anime/ so on?
And what does it matter if it is kiddie? As long as the game is fun, I don\'t give a damn what audience it is targeted towards.
Sheesh.
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And what does it matter if it is kiddie? As long as the game is fun[/b]
In Godly\'s defense, he said nothing about kiddie games not[/b] being fun.
I don\'t give a damn what audience it is targeted towards.
You should. It is a bigger issue than you think. Instead of explaining the whole ordeal to you, I will cite one example:
ex: Konami has detracted MGS2 and Silent Hill 2 from the GC lineup because "they don\'t feel the game is appropiate for the audience the system is targetting."
Hopefully you can figure it out yourself why it is such a big deal. (note: Konami isn\'t the only one)
The only \'confirmation\' possible is if Nintendo themselves came out and stated that they are targeting the younger audience. [/b]
Nintendo\'s main focus are the "kids" and[/b] they are widening their demographic target. Nintendo, of course, will use most of their advertising funds to maintain the Pokemon fans and younger kids by marketing on saturday morning cartoons, cereal boxes and such. How much they are using on the older market remains to be seen, but from the looks of things, in order for them to even get a fair portion of this desirable mature market they will have to shell out an acceptable, ample of funds to even begin to compete with the likes of Microsoft and Sony. Both whom have publicly announce they will spend upwards of 1.5 billion something dollars. Can Nintendo do it?
And what does it matter if it is kiddie?[/b]
My thoughts exactly!
Again, in Ogodly\'s defense, he brought up a really good point for a means of discussion, but nowhere did he say the games "will suck" just because they are "kiddie".
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this is a bit like the N64 was there ever any gory resident evil style games on that i don\'t think there was it was stuff like mario kart and super mario liand kind of really kiddy stuff but still fun 2 play
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when has nintendo NOT been for kids?
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Nintendo has always been a kiddy company and always will be.
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Originally posted by raslant
Nintendo has always been a kiddy company and always will be.
Right and they can do that because they are good with the younger audience. Not to mention no one really competes against them with that audience.
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It don\'t matter if they are for kiddies or not, if the games are entertaining then that is all that matters :D
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And what does it matter if it is kiddie? As long as the game is fun
In Godly\'s defense, he said nothing about kiddie games not being fun.
I don\'t give a damn what audience it is targeted towards.
You should. It is a bigger issue than you think. Instead of explaining the whole ordeal to you, I will cite one example:
ex: Konami has detracted MGS2 and Silent Hill 2 from the GC lineup because "they don\'t feel the game is appropiate for the audience the system is targetting."
Hopefully you can figure it out yourself why it is such a big deal. (note: Konami isn\'t the only one)
The only \'confirmation\' possible is if Nintendo themselves came out and stated that they are targeting the younger audience.
Nintendo\'s main focus are the "kids" and they are widening their demographic target. Nintendo, of course, will use most of their advertising funds to maintain the Pokemon fans and younger kids by marketing on saturday morning cartoons, cereal boxes and such. How much they are using on the older market remains to be seen, but from the looks of things, in order for them to even get a fair portion of this desirable mature market they will have to shell out an acceptable, ample of funds to even begin to compete with the likes of Microsoft and Sony. Both whom have publicly announce they will spend upwards of 1.5 billion something dollars. Can Nintendo do it?
And what does it matter if it is kiddie?
My thoughts exactly!
Again, in Ogodly\'s defense, he brought up a really good point for a means of discussion, but nowhere did he say the games "will suck" just because they are "kiddie".
BRAVO!!!! Why is it that T-Shirts is the only person who is able to see this issue clear. I posted this cause I remember alot people saying Nintendo is not mainly target towards kids, they will change this generation etc….. Many people and dev’s have said Nintendo\'s demographics is targeted towards kids. Here is another developer confirming this, Yes confirming in his view, who do you think know more us or the developers?????. Nintendo is not just going to officially announce gamecude for children, which wouldn’t be entirely true anyways, but in a general sense it would. Sure they will have a few mature games, and that\'s not to say that their games which are targeted towards the youth wont be fun for adults to play. ( I loved Mario 64, but no longer can I play that crap)
Hello look at the console, it looks kiddy, there mascots and franchises is all kiddy. Mario, Pokemon, picachu etc....Zelda had youth written all over it. (nintendio has said that the next Zelda will be more mature)
Again this doesn’t mean GC is bad system, or that it won\'t rock the house, I\'m sure GC will have kick ass games. Speaking for myself I have no desire to purchase a console for a couple of kiddy games(not making fun of it) I want really mature, intensive games(please do not think of porn)
But I mean I see so many people denying that Nintendo\'s main focus is not kids.
If you like the system and there games, ALL THE POWER TO YOU. This is only my opinion, so if you disagree, that\'s fine, I’m willing to listen to your side, but please if you are opposing my view, then do it in a mature manner, don\'t get angry at me or call me names, just let me hear your side of the story. I\'m listening.
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Ogodly, What they meant was that there will be more mature games on the Gamecube. I think there were about 5 total on the N64. Nintendo as a developer is always going to make their games for EVERYONE. I just think it was a misunderstanding. We all know that Nintendo is going to make a Mature game any time soon. They are just allowing more mature content on their consoles. I hope that makes more sense. :D
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Who gives a sh!t? What is the point of these useless threads? To prove that the GC is aimed towards a younger audience? That the \'manly men\' will get an xbox? Who cares?
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- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
And what does it matter if it is kiddie? As long as the game is fun
In Godly\'s defense, he said nothing about kiddie games not[/b] being fun.
I don\'t give a damn what audience it is targeted towards.
You should. It is a bigger issue than you think. Instead of explaining the whole ordeal to you, I will cite one example:
ex: Konami has detracted MGS2 and Silent Hill 2 from the GC lineup because "they don\'t feel the game is appropiate for the audience the system is targetting."
Hopefully you can figure it out yourself why it is such a big deal. (note: Konami isn\'t the only one)
The only \'confirmation\' possible is if Nintendo themselves came out and stated that they are targeting the younger audience. [/b]
Nintendo\'s main focus are the "kids" and[/b] they are widening their demographic target. Nintendo, of course, will use most of their advertising funds to maintain the Pokemon fans and younger kids by marketing on saturday morning cartoons, cereal boxes and such. How much they are using on the older market remains to be seen, but from the looks of things, in order for them to even get a fair portion of this desirable mature market they will have to shell out an acceptable, ample of funds to even begin to compete with the likes of Microsoft and Sony. Both whom have publicly announce they will spend upwards of 1.5 billion something dollars. Can Nintendo do it?
And what does it matter if it is kiddie?[/b]
My thoughts exactly!
Again, in Ogodly\'s defense, he brought up a really good point for a means of discussion, but nowhere did he say the games "will suck" just because they are "kiddie". [/B]
I totally agree with you man. And although kids do play video games. Millions of adults do. And they have the money to buy what they want. Kids have to ask parents permission. And seeing how the most successful console ever had more adult and teenage orented games and it sold more than any other console I would say adults and teenagers decide the winner.
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The problem here is the use of the word "kiddy" and "for kids." It\'s just offensive.
The truth is that most of Nintendo\'s games are designed in such a way that they can and often do appeal to gamers of all ages. Saying a game is "for all ages" is appropriate, whereas saying it\'s "kiddy" is an insult to the maturity of the grown-up individuals who enjoy these games.
Nintendo does not so much specifically target children with its games (although advertising is often a different story), it just designs fun games that often even children can enjoy.
-Eik
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Right and they can do that because they are good with the younger audience. Not to mention no one really competes against them with that audience.
I think its good and bad cause nintendo makes alot of money of this audience, but as a game developer its bad look what happen with konami no mgs2 or sh2 for gamecube. Why cause of there kiddy games. But xbox is getting both mgsx and silent hill2 which imo is a big boast to xbox. Plus xbox has more 3rd parties than nintendo as of now.
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Originally posted by raslant
look what happen with konami no mgs2 or sh2 for gamecube. Why cause of there kiddy games.
No one ever said anything about No MGS for Gamecube. ;)
Also SH is coming to the GBA, so their must be some other reason why its not coming to the Gamecube.
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Well who cares? not against you godly caus your post was good , but why are you people arguing ( sorta ) , who cares , i hate pokemon , but super smash bros. is a great multiplayer game , golden ey wasnt kiddy well atleast IMO , THQs wrestling games on n64 were awsome, and really whats so bad about pokemon? if pokemon came here with none of the cards , merchandise , and the crappy tv show it would be alright , its basicly jade cocoon in a kiddie way , but the idea of pokemons is ok , just its targeted for kids , if it wasnt it would be fine but its to late now since evryone sees it for kids....
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Originally posted by Vulcan Raven
My girlfriend always tells me i\'m a big kid so it still appeals to me even though I\'m 20
My girlfriend tells me I\'m big, too. Oh nevermind we\'re talking about something different.
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emperor rob , lol :laughing:
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I htink that the Gamecube will mainly be designed for younger kids look at the design of the game doesn\'t it look like a Fisher Price toy.
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While Nintendo itself may focus on developing games that are \'family friendly\' most of the time, the variety of games comes from 2nd and 3rd parties.
While you\'ll have games such as Mario at launch, you\'ll also have titles such as Eternal Darkness, Wave Race, and Resident Evil 0. Does anyone want to convince me that games like RE0, RE1, RE4, Turok 4, Eternal Darkness, Too Human, Raven Blade, Perfect Dark 0, Metroid, etc... are for kids (Be my guest)?
The fact is.... the GameCube will appeal to people of all ages. At this point in time you cannot tell how much so or to what extent, but its evident, even in the N64, that this is the case. This also won\'t be another N64, but I believe it will have more variety than the N64 (its already proving to be true).
Nintendo... throughout the N64\'s life has developed games like Mario, Paper Mario, Mario Parties, Zelda: OoT, Zelda: MM, etc... and its likely that you\'ll see these kinds of games come from them in the GameCube\'s lifespan. However, at the same time, you have 2nd parties like Rare, Left Field, Silicon Knights creating games that should appeal to the older gamers.
What one, or even a few developers, think... doesn\'t really matter.
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Originally posted by thy_toothpick
However, at the same time, you have 2nd parties like Rare, Left Field, Silicon Knights creating games that should appeal to the older gamers.
Here\'s something to think about: What do you mean should?
In fact, I think that\'s the point that some people are missing right now.
BTW, bless your soul for using the term "family friendly." I can rest easier tonight.
-Eik