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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: QuDDus on June 28, 2001, 08:02:49 PM
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http://arstechnica.com/reviews/1q00/playstation2/ee-1.html
(If you read this before excuse me then) I just thought this article gives more detail on how sony changed the design of ps2. And that is beast in terms of power, but developers have to learn how to unlocke the power(which is explained in this article) The ps2 has a lot of power that has yet to be taped. A lot of ppl have taken shots at sony. Saying the ps2 has no power and it can\'t compete in graphics. Well they are wrong the ps2 has lots of power that has yet to be seen. Although I feel xbox is the strongest in terms of raw power. The ps2 is no slouch and the E.E true power has yet to be seen.
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Yes we have heard this many times, nothing new.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Yes we have heard this many times, nothing new.
Well I said excuse me if you read it before
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Unfortunately, this alleged untapped power may never be tapped.
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Yes rasputin, that 4MB of internal ram really is a bottle neck
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Originally posted by Rasputin
Unfortunately, this alleged untapped power may never be tapped.
WRONG :)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Originally posted by Rasputin
Unfortunately, this alleged untapped power may never be tapped.
WRONG :)
Ditto... ;)
Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Yes rasputin, that 4MB of internal ram really is a bottle neck
If you were familiar with the PS2\'s architecture like you were with the Xbox\'s, you would realize that that 4MB of VRAM is not a bottleneck. This is like the second or third time I\'ve heard you say this. Hasn\'t anybody here enlightened you on the subject yet?
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The Saturn also had a lot of "untapped" power. The problem was that no one wanted to waste time and money to tap that "untapped" power. PS2 developers will keep tapping away at the Emotion Engine; however, if Xbox and GCN happen to eclipse the PS2 userbase (a very real possibility), the tappers will quit tappin and PS2 support will go kaput.
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If you were familiar with the PS2\'s architecture like you were with the Xbox\'s, you would realize that that 4MB of VRAM is not a bottleneck. This is like the second or third time I\'ve heard you say this. Hasn\'t anybody here enlightened you on the subject yet?
Sigh... not this again, dude I have known about this for a long time, if you knew anything, and what developers have said about it, then you would understand where I am comming from.
This agrument about the Internal 4mb has always had two sides to it. Though so far I haven\'t seen them do any amazing things with it.
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WRC 2001.....tap, tap, tap :)
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Sigh... not this again, dude I have known about this for a long time, if you knew anything, and what developers have said about it, then you would understand where I am comming from.
This agrument about the Internal 4mb has always had two sides to it. Though so far I haven\'t seen them do any amazing things with it.
What exactly have developers said about it, Ogodly?
And that screenshot that CygnusXI just posted is like a big fat BOOYAH!... Very pretty.
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Originally posted by CygnusXI
WRC 2001.....tap, tap, tap :)
LMAO, thanks, I needed something to cheer me up after all this fighting.
I agree that it\'s unfortunate the "power of the PS2" may never be unlocked, but I think that eventually programming packages will emerge to give developers a chance, whether or not they take it is their decision. PS2 programming require prudence, something the world has lost in it\'s fast-paced BB atmosphere. Ah, well. . . to dream.
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Thanks:)
I\'m not being a smart a$$, I just know that WRC 2001 uses the Mythical texture streaming that supposedly overcomes the 4MB issue.
All the scenery is calculated randomly, on the fly, and the texturing(and possibly the polygonal maps) are in a constant state of being dumped into and out of memory.
If more games actually pick up this technique games like MGS2 and DMC may seem crappy by next gen PS2 games. **Crosses Fingers**:)
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What is WRC 2000???
does that stand for world racing championshio???
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tapping PS2\'s full power means working with the "Metal", time-consuming, expensive, pain in the a$$. How many Developers are gonna spend 8M to create a great looking game? :D They won\'t,
they will play with their CodeWarrior 2.5 IDE and tap the main CPU, while the vector units sit on their asses,...
IMO I think SONY will release a library that will tap the PS2 power more easily, although it too won\'t tap 100% of the PS2\'s power, it should ease development for some developers. :D
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Close, the R is for Rally:)
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There are tons of developers really getting the hang of coding the PS2
There are botttleneks in all consoles even Xbox and GC. Developers once familiar with the PS2 architexture will see Dev time and monies reduced signnificantly.
The fact remeains even on the "Easier to program" consoles dev time and monies are increased simply because there is so much more to do and design. Better physics engine, higher polygon characters, richer textures , larger worlds. All this requires bigger and more expensive dev time.
I seriously believe that the PS2 gets a black eye because lots of devs didn\'t realize how much work is really needed to make a next gen project, add that to the unfamiliarity with the PS2 and the shock caused some devs to *****. Lots of devs still sing praises about the hardware, and games like FFX MGS2, Jak and Daxter GT3, Devil May Cry, Run Like Hell, Baldurs Gate, and more are all looking as good if not better then most everything out there on all the systems.
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It will be no surprise that the XBOX will have 2x better graphics. And there is no use of saying how PS2 can equal the power of it. But people saying how PS2 will never reach its potential are wroooooooong. MGS2 looks like one of the prettiest games coming out, and the PS2 had that graphical power shown before launch. With a little time there is no doubt the PS2 will reach full potential. :) now worries here
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yes...its true, it is largly untapped...but its funny how the PS2 with all this untapped power isshowing games even more impressive looking than XBox and GameCube :) but thats my opinion
:fro:
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SHUT UP ALL YOU BABIES
XBOX SUCKS
DC IS DEAD
AND GAMEBOY ADVANCE IS GOING TO ROCK THE HOUSE IT\'S 128BIT GRAPHIC ARE BETTER THAN EVERY THING OUT THERE
BY THE WAY WHEN IS GAMECUBE COMING OUT I HEARD IT\'S SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN GAMEBOY COLOR
I HEARD RUMORS OF A PS2 COMING IN 2002 I CAN\'T WAIT .
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Originally posted by tom_ps2
I HEARD RUMORS OF A PS2 COMING IN 2002 I CAN\'T WAIT .
Oh yeah, PS2, I can\'t wait til that comes out in \'02. Wait! What\'s that cool-lookin\' black box over there? Oh, and if you meant PS3, \'02 is too early for it\'s debut.
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Originally posted by tom_ps2
SHUT UP ALL YOU BABIES
XBOX SUCKS
DC IS DEAD
AND GAMEBOY ADVANCE IS GOING TO ROCK THE HOUSE IT\'S 128BIT GRAPHIC ARE BETTER THAN EVERY THING OUT THERE
BY THE WAY WHEN IS GAMECUBE COMING OUT I HEARD IT\'S SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN GAMEBOY COLOR
I HEARD RUMORS OF A PS2 COMING IN 2002 I CAN\'T WAIT .
riiiiiight.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Oh yeah, PS2, I can\'t wait til that comes out in \'02. Wait! What\'s that cool-lookin\' black box over there? Oh, and if you meant PS3, \'02 is too early for it\'s debut.
my good man...i think tom_ps2 was being a little silly...if you read the rest of his post...i think you would agree
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
my good man...i think tom_ps2 was being a little silly...if you read the rest of his post...i think you would agree
Sometimes it\'s too hard to tell these days.
Ol\' chap.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
yes...its true, it is largly untapped...but its funny how the PS2 with all this untapped power isshowing games even more impressive looking than XBox and GameCube :) but thats my opinion
:fro:
I think that\'s more or less related with the fact that PS2 games are reachings its second gen while GC and X-Box games have not been released yet.
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DAMN tom your going into every thread declaring PS2 as your GOD, GET A GRIP MAN ( opps I bet we are dealing with a toddler here)
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
DAMN tom your going into every thread declaring PS2 as your GOD, GET A GRIP MAN ( opps I bet we are dealing with a toddler here)
I was here when he made all four[/i] of his posts. I was also wondering his age. He says he was born in \'84. But he\'s like this complex enigma that reacts like one born in \'94.
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Whats with the caps lock man? If you wanna be noticed to badly post a bunch of **** like Tshirts. :)