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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Halberto on July 03, 2001, 08:41:33 PM
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I\'ve had it with Sony. I\'m gonna just throw away that online idea and go to XBOX. Such a crappy deal. I can save a lot of money and still get good games and better hardware. It\'s just stupid now. Sony has let me down. There is no logic to go with the HDD plan. NONE! I\'m gonna sell my PS2 and put my name on the pre-order list for XBOX. I suggest everyone else does the same, unless you can prove me wrong.
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You may be going alittle extreme. You don\'t have to sell your PS2 and infact that is foolish, there will be plenty of PS2 exclusive games you will want. You\'ll regret it later, so don\'t do that. Instead, just don\'t buy the HDD. I agree, Sony really has no logic with the release of it. But, there is no reason to sell the actual base unit.
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Wow, that certainly was a suprisignly shock coming from you, but your logic is a little flawed.
If you REALLY want to play online games then you might as well buy an Xbox, but are you that into them? Have you ever tried any PC games lately? In all seriosity(this will be a word someday!), Xbox won\'t be that different since it\'s architecture it\'s basically the same.
Also, I think Sony will dumb this HD thing and online gaming altogether in about a year because by then they\'ll see how crappy it\'s selling and won\'t bother to continue with it(it will fail IMO). Then, they\'ll go back to their original roots. Besides, most PS2 games won\'t utilize the HD anyway, developers don\'t want to estimate how many people will buy one so they won\'t bother making games that use it.
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I thought the Final Fantasy series meant more to you than this, Vivi. The Xbox will be a great console, but it will not have FFX or FF12. The PS2\'s harddrive probably won\'t take off, but their online plans will. The PS2 will be online this fall, while the Xbox will be online sometime between next spring to next summer. For us hardcore gamers, spending an extra 50 bucks to go online isn\'t a problem as long as there are games to play.
Right now, the Xbox doesn\'t have any games that will be online (correct me if I\'m wrong). Not even Halo, a game that was pretty much destined to be online, is going online.
Like Living-In-Clip said, the PS2 is getting a lot of exclusives that I\'m sure you\'ll want. It is completely up to you, but I think you will regret completely abandoning(sp?) the PS2.
And about that Xbox having better hardware, I still disagree. Just wait, you will all see. :)
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Originally posted by ViVi
I\'ve had it with Sony. I\'m gonna just throw away that online idea and go to XBOX. Such a crappy deal. I can save a lot of money and still get good games and better hardware. It\'s just stupid now. Sony has let me down. There is no logic to go with the HDD plan. NONE! I\'m gonna sell my PS2 and put my name on the pre-order list for XBOX. I suggest everyone else does the same, unless you can prove me wrong.
YOUR doing the right thing man the ps2 is so plaid;) I mean sooner or later there will be a game you want on ps2 like gt3,MGS2, and FFX. But XboX is offering a whole new gaming experience and there are new games being developed for it that look great like Enclave,Project EGO, bruce Lee: Quest of dragon. I mean it is all up to you and what you want to do. If your tired of ps2 and can\'t afford both. Then do what makes you happy. I can afford both so it\'s no biggie for me. Plus FFX will only be on ps2 and I am waiting that.
EDIT: ps2 has better hardware than xbox? Even Ray charles could see that XboX is more powerful than ps2.
The numbers proove it.
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why would you sell your PS2? what would you do for the next 5 months? If you dont want to play MGS2, thats fine by me, but I\'ll sit here and play games.
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Originally posted by XBOX
YOUR doing the right thing man the ps2 is so plaid;) I mean sooner or later there will be a game you want on ps2 like gt3,MGS2, and FFX.
The point of this thread was to show Vivi why to keep a PS2, not to make him want the Xbox even more. He already knows the reasons why he wants the Xbox.
But XboX is offering a whole new gaming experience and there are new games being developed for it that look great like Enclave,Project EGO, bruce Lee: Quest of dragon.
Bruce Lee: Quest of Dragon? Are you serious? Most new fighting games series\' comepletely suck. What makes you think this one will be different? Do you really think it is going to be good enough to compete with Tekken 4, VF4, SC2, or CvsSNK2? DOA3 is the Xbox\'s best chance of competing with the PS2 fighting game wise.
EDIT: ps2 has better hardware than xbox? Even Ray charles could see that XboX is more powerful than ps2.
The numbers proove it. [/B]
1. Notice how I said "Just wait, you will all see."
2. Numbers don\'t prove anything, games do. And that\'s something the PS2 will have plenty of.
3. Who the heck is Ray Charles?
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Jumpman its your logic that is flawed....so the hardware resembles a pc architecture??? thats a good thing.....last time I checked a PC\'s power surpasses any consoles power. And just becuase the architecture resembles a PC\'s DOES NOT MEAN THE GAMES WILL RESEMBLE PC GAMES!!! In fact Microsoft has a STRICT policy that forbids it.....
SO you saying NBA2k2 is going to play like a PC game???? HELL NO!
So you are saying Jet set radio is going to play like a PC game?? HELL NO!
So you are saying that DOA3 is going to play like a PC game? HELL NO!!
This xbox and PC comparison argument died ALONG time ago. Trying to hold on to it makes youself look FOOLISH!!
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1: Ray Charles is a blind african american piano player / singer.
2: This thread is to show Vivi why he shouldn\'t sell his PS2.
Vivi, you are obviously a Final Fantasy fan, do you want to miss out on all the Square games? If you sell your PS2, you\'ll miss out on them. And please, before everyone starts on the "Square will develop for other companies", keep in mind one thing. Until it is announced, it isn\'t real. They may or may not. But, the safe bet is, if you want Square games, you will keep your PS2.
No one is forcing you to buy the HD. If you don\'t want to, then don\'t . On the same note, the HD may be a great seller. You can always wait and see, and if you want it later down the \'road\', you can then buy it and take advantage of it.
Bottom Line : Look back on why you bought a PS2 in the first place. Those reasons remain. Exclusive , great games. Do you see Metal Gear Solid 2 coming out for the Xbox in November? NO! Twisted Metal : Black? Nope. There is plenty of games and will be plenty more that don\'t require the HD.
If you want online gaming, you can always use your computer, buy an Xbox later or just wait and see how Sony\'s internet plan and HD pan out. You don\'t have to be an early adopter. Infact, it is probably smarter not to be one.
Keep your PS2. If you want an Xbox, buy one. Enjoy both systems. Don\'t let this little problem make you miss out on alot of great games for either system.
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Looks like you were an EARLY adopter with the ps2 dude!!! so what wrong with my man being an early adapter with the xbox???
OHHHH I get it!! You are one of these dudes that tell people to WAIT on the xbox in HOPES that their sales will lack in the beggining and developers will abandon them and you precious ps2 will remain on top cause you are scared that you MIGHT have wasted 350.00 dollars!! or are you scared that everyone will abandon their ps2\'s like Vivi and the company will fail?? Grow up!
People adandon companies casue they do stuff wrong.....and guess what.....sony is doing ALOT of stuff wrong....(architecture, EXPENSIVE addon\'s ect...)if he wants to abandon them so be it. It obvious he is disspleased.
And ps2 exclusives?? what are you talking about man??? the exclusives are flying down the drain. MGS2 is NOT an exclusive...check the meaning of the word!! And yeah you might be playing the game in november BUT.....will it be the enhanced version? NO
will it be in all 5.1 surround sound glory like a Hideo Kojima game is MEANT to be played in??? NO
ps2 cant do 5.1 encoding.
Me an early adopter?? No, not really. But I know what I want and thats the best...an xbox look\'s damn good right now....Awesome games from day one!!! thats what a console should be like. Ill be outside November 8, 2001. And get this...Ill have AL LEAST 10 GOOD games before the end of the year....all the other consoles barely have three.
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
Looks like you were an EARLY adopter with the ps2 dude!!! so what wrong with my man being an early adapter with the xbox???
OHHHH I get it!! You are one of these dudes that tell people to WAIT on the xbox in HOPES that their sales will lack in the beggining and developers will abandon them and you precious ps2 will remain on top cause you are scared that you MIGHT have wasted 350.00 dollars!! or are you scared that everyone will abandon their ps2\'s like Vivi and the company will fail?? Grow up!
Listen to yourself Soul_Reaver. You are making a complete idiot out of yourself. Do you really think one person is going to make a difference? Do you really think you and your Xbox preaching is going to make a difference? Do you think if Vivi buys an Xbox, the PS2 will fail? If he doesn\'t buy an Xbox, will the Xbox fail?
You are now at the PSX2central forums. Most of us here are multi console gamers who don\'t like fanboys of any kind. Either be a little more open minded about things, or just go waste your time on some other forum.
And ps2 exclusives?? what are you talking about man??? the exclusives are flying down the drain.
GT3, Devil May Cry, Baldur\'s Gate: DA, FFX, Wipeout Fusion, Twisted Metal Black (and the online version), Jak and Daxter. The PS2 has tons of great exclusives. \'nuff said.
And get this...Ill have AL LEAST 10 GOOD games before the end of the year....all the other consoles barely have three. [/B]
Read above for the exclusives. And now for the non exclusives: MGS2, SSX:Tricky, Silent Hill 2, Tony Hawk 3 online (might be exclusive for now, but probably not forever), Res Evil: CVX, Capcom VS SNK 2. I\'m sure other people have more games that they are really looking forward to this year too.
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Thats abit drastic dont you think??
I mean common, Vivi..
Are you acctually prepered to "loose" FFX, FXII, DMC, TG, WRC, J&D, ICO...blah blah blah...?
The US price hasent even been confirmed yet..
And Sony might do a SEGA, you know..
Give the HDD to you if you sign a online deal with an ISP or something?
Thats very likley right now..
I dont think it\'ll fail..
Cuz alot of people have been very possitive twoard it. So has the developers. (especially Hideo Kojima-san.. He said something about using the HDD.. Remember?)
Dont do it..
But I guess I cant make you change your mind :)
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guys
they are just pieces of plastic and silicone
get over yerselves
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Originally posted by mm
guys
they are just pieces of plastic and silicone
get over yerselves
You\'re right, they are. Which is the exact reason no one should get so upset about a console. I personally enjoy all consoles.
OHHHH I get it!! You are one of these dudes that tell people to WAIT on the xbox in HOPES that their sales will lack in the beggining and developers will abandon them and you precious ps2 will remain on top cause you are scared that you MIGHT have wasted 350.00 dollars!! or are you scared that everyone will abandon their ps2\'s like Vivi and the company will fail?? Grow up!
Soul, calm down. I am an early adopter of almost everything. I don\'t call it the smartest of things, but some of us like to have something when it is new . I\'m just like that. I will buy an Xbox also, so please quit preaching to me. As for the precious PS2 comment?? I\'m sorry, but I\'ve always made it clear that my favorite hardware company was Sega . Wasted $350.00 dollars? Not in the least. I have enjoyed Onimusha, I\'ll enjoy Devil May Cry, Capcom Vs Snk 2, Virtua Fighter 4. I don\'t consider that wasted. But then again, I\'ve spent money on a 3DO, Virtual Boy, Jaguar, etc and don\'t consider it wasted. WHY ? Because I\'m a gamer. I enjoy playing games and I don\'t care what system they are for.
You take these things way to serious Soul. There is no reason to get all offensive or defensive about a simple system. Just enjoy the system you buy and quit tryin\' to preach to everyone and change everyones mind.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You take these things way to serious Soul. There is no reason to get all offensive or defensive about a simple system. Just enjoy the system you buy and quit tryin\' to preach to everyone and change everyones mind.
Amen to that. It\'s just plastic and electronics - buy whatever makes you happy. It is afterall only a mean for entertainment.
So Soul_Reaver, calm down, go outside and enjoy the summer! You\'ll get to play your Xbox in time, don\'t worry.
/me goes outside in the warm sunny weather again.
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Originally posted by ViVi
I\'ve had it with Sony. I\'m gonna just throw away that online idea and go to XBOX. Such a crappy deal. I can save a lot of money and still get good games and better hardware. It\'s just stupid now. Sony has let me down. There is no logic to go with the HDD plan. NONE! I\'m gonna sell my PS2 and put my name on the pre-order list for XBOX. I suggest everyone else does the same, unless you can prove me wrong.
Keep your PS2, buy the Xbox, be a console whore like me. :D Get GC too.
I think, hopefully there will be great games for all systems :D
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I know what I\'m gonna do, I\'m gonna keep my PS2 and wait to see how this HDD thing works out. I know I sounded really extreme and stupid but I was REALLY pissed off. Sony really screwed us this time. If you ask me, I think PS2 is gonna fail. I\'m still gonna put an XBOX ahead of PS2.
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Vivi,
If you feel so screwed over by Sony. Get rid of the PS2. Miss out on plenty of great games that are coming out, and don\'t play FFx. It\'s that simple. Go over to the X-Box, and then you\'ll be regretting letting go of the PS2. I don\'t care which console fails, for I will not fail.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Hey look I am calm....I could care less if ViVI got an xbox.....
But at the same tim ehe deserves to make that decision himself with out yall putting this pressure on him to do other than what he stated. What did he say??? he said he had it with sony and is going to sell his system....the what do yall say??? yall are like ...THATS DRASTIC!!! well it aint to him and alot of people....its obvious that hes thought about it....and he posted his decision.....but the yall come in and condem him fro his decision....
did I condem him for his decision?? NO...YALL did. I congradulated him on it and told him hes has alot to look forward to with his new found decision to buy an xbox. yall are the ones that have the problem....
And IronFist...you can kiss my a** dude.... Im not here to confirm to the ps2 fanboy standard that goes on around here....i say what I think...
I see you dont like my xbox ...as you would say PREACHING.... well too bad. there is ALOT of ps2 preaching going around here and you are guilty of it to....in fact...anyone here who was tring to convince VIVI not to sell his ps2 was PS2 preaching and THAT INCLUDES YOUR SELF. I bring a balence here...and I see you dont like me upsetting the balence...:D
I see some of you need to learn what a console debate is....I could understand if i was posting this stuff in your other forums but Im not and i wont. But this is ALL fair play in conmsole debating...but yall have probully been with out opposition for so long that you forgot what REALLY goes down in a console debating forum...
and Living in clip... tell me this...why is it OK to be an early adopter with the ps2 and NOT with the xbox??? you contradict yourself....I could careless if you buy the xbox when it comes out but the fact of the matter is that you are telling OTHER people NOT too. Not just VIVI but EVERYONE that reads these forums (members are not)not to be an EARLY xbox adapter!!! whats up with that??? Sounds like you want to influence the masses not to buy an xbox if you ask me.... I just called you on it.
Let the consoles decide there own fate. Im not going to sit around and let you TRY to influence someone that they should not make a purchase....cause some poor smuck might be reading your post and ACTUALLY think you know what you are talking about...
Let the consoles decide there own fate.
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That is the price of the HDD drive in Japan,it doesnt mean it will be that much in the US or UK,you can buy the BB and modem adaptor on it own,which will be $40 dollars,which is really good,so if it was $100 for both then that isnt to bad,but over $100 then i dont see it taking off,but who knows.
And to play the DVD on XBox you will have to buy a remote,so there is so many different ways you can look at it.
Also keep your ps2 all the AAA titles are starting to come out now,you have done all that waiting for them,then when they get here you sell your ps2.
Also just enjoy all the consoles,who really cares which console is number 1 just as long as you have enjoyed them,and that is what i am going to do.
See ya leter everyone.
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I\'m still gonna put an XBOX ahead of PS2.
SMART!!!! Personally I can\'t stand my PS2, XBOX is just going to put PS2 to shame is every aspect of gameplay.
Sell the thing while it\'s worth money, and use that to get the XBOX.
PS2 is just an utter mess, IMO
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How bout you all just shut up and go buy a DC with Sonic Adventure 2!
-wicked clown-
Listen, as of the moment, Xbox nor PS2 have alot of exclusives. It\'s all about the Gamecube.
FFX will come and go, Vivi. It may be good, it may be great but it\'s just one game. Me personally, I buy systems that have the most appealing games. I bought a DC and have 22 games at the moment. (I just got Sonic 2 and my DC isn\'t getting very much rest) I don\'t regret my DC purchase.
Now for my next system, I am all about Gamecube. It will have Metroid Prime, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario, Donkey Kong, Phantasy Star Online 2, Extreme G-3, Resident Evil 0, Wave Race, 1080 2, Zelda, and the one I most excited about, Star Fox Adventures. It\'s also got alot of Namco support and Sega is really for it. I MUST GET A GAMECUBE.
XBOX, It\'s definitely got appeal. But not enough for me yet. Games I would get- Dead or Alive 3, Malice, Panzer Dragoon 3, Crazy Taxi Next, and House of the Dead 3.
PS2- FFX looks good, but I will not pay 300, or even 200 for one game. Twisted Metal is fun, but Crazy Taxi kinda fun (it wears thin shortly). Devil May Cry looks like fun, but there are rumours it will also come to the XBOX.
So far, gamecube appeal far outweighs the competition. Just do a comparison for all of us too see and we will make your decision for you...sound easy enough?;)
Also, you might be able to sell your ps2 for around 300$. It is still in demand in some areas.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
SMART!!!! Personally I can\'t stand my PS2, XBOX is just going to put PS2 to shame is every aspect of gameplay.
Sell the thing while it\'s worth money, and use that to get the XBOX.
PS2 is just an utter mess, IMO
Oh no.. Here we go again..
Let me ask you one little thing TheUglyThing..
Why do you keep bashing PS2 in a PS2 forum??
Go to http://www.msxbox.com or whatever, where SOMEBODY cares about what you think..
This is getting pretty pathetic..
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
Jumpman its your logic that is flawed....so the hardware resembles a pc architecture??? thats a good thing.....last time I checked a PC\'s power surpasses any consoles power. And just becuase the architecture resembles a PC\'s DOES NOT MEAN THE GAMES WILL RESEMBLE PC GAMES!!! In fact Microsoft has a STRICT policy that forbids it.....
SO you saying NBA2k2 is going to play like a PC game???? HELL NO!
So you are saying Jet set radio is going to play like a PC game?? HELL NO!
So you are saying that DOA3 is going to play like a PC game? HELL NO!!
This xbox and PC comparison argument died ALONG time ago. Trying to hold on to it makes youself look FOOLISH!!
Ah, good to see you again Soul Reaver. But you missed a critical part in my post.
Xbox won\'t be that different since it\'s architecture it\'s basically the same.
Some developers will take advantage of the Xbox HD\'s, but then again a lot of developers will use it just like they would use a PC HD. Again, I didn\'t say EVERY Xbox game would play like a PC game nor did I imply it.
SMART!!!! Personally I can\'t stand my PS2, XBOX is just going to put PS2 to shame is every aspect of gameplay.
Sell the thing while it\'s worth money, and use that to get the XBOX.
How can Xbox put PS2 in every aspect of gameplay when we haven\'t even played it yet and I think we\'re not suppose to play consoles, we\'re suppose to play the games on them. Think long and hard about that.
Ah Ginko is finally back. :)
PS2 is just an utter mess, IMO
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Oh no.. Here we go again..
Let me ask you one little thing TheUglyThing..
Why do you keep bashing PS2 in a PS2 forum??
Go to http://www.msxbox.com or whatever, where SOMEBODY cares about what you think..
This is getting pretty pathetic..
Well vivi if you listen to people like this, you will be kicking yourself in the butt for not getting XBOX.
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SMART!!!! Personally I can\'t stand my PS2, XBOX is just going to put PS2 to shame is every aspect of gameplay.
Sell the thing while it\'s worth money, and use that to get the XBOX.
PS2 is just an utter mess, IMO
Intrigue me. Just how is the Xbox going to put the PS2 to shame in every aspect of gameplay? Does it have a sensory helmet you can strap on? A full body suit that inflicts pain? Didn\'t think so. Better graphics or superior specs does not imply better gameplay. I\'m sure the guys here don\'t take you seriously anyhow.
X-box is just a pc-in-a-box, IMO.
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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well datamage I give you props, cause it seems you are amongst the few here who can read. You obviously saw the "IMO" at the end of my post.
So if you think the XBOX is a PC, that\'s cool with me, your entitled to your opinion. The way I see it is, why settle for anything less, when you can have the best. Personally myself I can\'t wait to play games in 5.1 surround sound, seeing how i\'m am a big sound fanatic.
SUPER AUDIO CD all the way..........
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OGodlyOne you have got to be the biggest fanboy this forum has seen since the days of DocWiz.
No one is trying to convince ViVi to not buy an XBox, its just you trying to convince him that XBox is god when its not even out yet. My god, some people *shakes head*
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I have a PS2, im not going to buy a NGC because my friend is, so I will have money for an XBox (that how we work things out) Some of the XBox games are turning my head a little, but thats not going to make me sell my PS2. Just buy both my man
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Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
OGodlyOne you have got to be the biggest fanboy this forum has seen since the days of DocWiz.
No one is trying to convince ViVi to not buy an XBox, its just you trying to convince him that XBox is god when its not even out yet. My god, some people *shakes head*
Heh, OGodly is ok... he\'s just a bit controversial in his statement at times, considering this is a PS2 forum. But he\'s not (always ;)) unreasonable.
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Damn I don\'t get certain ppl.
Why did you buy a PS2 at launch, or earlier this year in the first place? The games were crap! Now when the killer hits are coming out like GT3, Devil May Cry, MGS2, Jax and Dexter, Herdy Gerdy, FFX, Wild Arms 3, XenoSaga, Soul Reaver 2, Klona 2, Silent Hill 2, Legacy of Kain 2, etc
you want to shift over to an inferior machine(Xbox)? I am sorry the Xbox at launch will simply be trounced by the PS2\'s second generation game. There is no competition. It is the same situation last year! The DC had a longer lineup of hits as oppose to the PS2....those who went out and bought a PS2 simply missed out on all the great DC games like Shenmue, JGR, Eternal Arcadia...I mean those were some of the best gaming experiences out there and it was a crying shame they were passed up for mediocre crap on the PS2. Don\'t buy into hype guys! You should look at the upcoming games first and then decide on your purchase. The Xbox will be a great system, but it won\'t be good until the next year. The launch games won\'t \'even begin to touch what the PS2 has to offer. Trust me! Why don\'t you keep your PS2, and then purchase an Xbox next year when the great games come out and the system price goes down.
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OGodlyOne you have got to be the biggest fanboy this forum has seen since the days of DocWiz
LOL, if you say so. I just don\'t care anymore, this whole ****ing thing is pointless, XBOX, PS2, NGC etc......
yawn......I love pc games, why???one simple answer "online play"
It\'s a whole new level of gameplay. There is no way I will ever go back to playing against a computer. It\'s like having cable modem, and then having to go back to 56k, it ain\'t going to happen. Online play is the future of gaming, and if XBOX does well with it\'s online content then I will buy one, until then I will play my PC.
Another thing I have always found the majority of console games boring. Pc games have always caught my interest, I think it\'s because most of the pc games are targeted towards an older audience. The games are very technical, in-depth and the online play is the magic key.
Anyhow summer of 2002 I will get XBOX, cause that is when they are launching there online network.
Oh one more thing, I refuse to use a controller to play FPS for xbox, if MS or third party don\'t come out with a mouse, and a VGA adaptor, then XBOX can go f*ck itself.
What good is pretty graphics and 5.1 sound when the controls and display suck. XBOX displays high-res so I expect to see it, not have it down graded on a standard TV. HDTV are way to expensive, and don\'t even look better than PC monitors.
You guys think XBOX is GOD to me, and that is far from the truth. I have many problems with what MS is doing with XBOX. Now granted these things could change, but who knows.\'
Pretty much I\'m all about ONLINE play. I thibk GT3 is boring without it, PG--same thing. So when XBOX does get it\'s online content rolling, I\'ll give little old xbox a try. Untill then I will stick to the PC.
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I agree with Tshirts people should wait until a system gets good games then buy it.Vivi you should keep your ps2 because there are going to be ALOT of PS2 games coming out that are going to be very good and you will regret sell your Ps2 I promise.The Xbox might be a good system but not this year.The reason I say that is because there is only Halo and Oddworld thats it this year.Gamecube is going to be great because of all the exclusives at launch you can\'t get anywhere else but Gamecube.I may sound alittle biased against Xbox but I\'m not at all I just don\'t have any faith in it .
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This is so pathetic.
You guys need to get out more.
Vivi, hold on to your PS2 for a little while. What have you got to lose?
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Vivi sell your PSX2 to buy another sony product "SUPER AUDIO CD" Sony just came out with a new model, it only cost $399, comapred to the other sony models which start at $1000.
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well datamage I give you props, cause it seems you are amongst the few here who can read. You obviously saw the "IMO" at the end of my post.
So if you think the XBOX is a PC, that\'s cool with me, your entitled to your opinion. The way I see it is, why settle for anything less, when you can have the best. Personally myself I can\'t wait to play games in 5.1 surround sound, seeing how i\'m am a big sound fanatic..
I do think the xbox is a souped-up PC. Does that mean I\'m not getting one? No. I will when SEGA\'s games start to hit the box. -- The thought of 5.1 surround sound in games is amazing. Don\'t get your hopes up though, I seriously doubt every game will take advantage of that capability. My DD/DTS system would love it however. ;)
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
Hey look I am calm....I could care less if ViVI got an xbox.....
But at the same tim ehe deserves to make that decision himself with out yall putting this pressure on him to do other than what he stated. What did he say??? he said he had it with sony and is going to sell his system....the what do yall say??? yall are like ...THATS DRASTIC!!! well it aint to him and alot of people....its obvious that hes thought about it....and he posted his decision.....but the yall come in and condem him fro his decision....
Maybe you didn\'t read what he said at the end of his first post. "I\'m gonna sell my PS2 and put my name on the pre-order list for XBOX. I suggest everyone else does the same, unless you can prove me wrong." He is the one who told us to do this. We gave him reasons for wanting to keep the PS2.
And IronFist...you can kiss my a** dude.... Im not here to confirm to the ps2 fanboy standard that goes on around here....i say what I think...
Part the hair and show me where...? Come on Soul_Reaver. How old are you? There is no need for childish swearing.
I see you dont like my xbox ...as you would say PREACHING.... well too bad. there is ALOT of ps2 preaching going around here and you are guilty of it to....in fact...anyone here who was tring to convince VIVI not to sell his ps2 was PS2 preaching and THAT INCLUDES YOUR SELF. I bring a balence here...and I see you dont like me upsetting the balence...:D
Like I said before, that is what Vivi told us to do. And this is a PS2 forum. Are you telling me that it\'s wrong to come here and talk about how much I love my PS2? That\'s just stupid.
I see some of you need to learn what a console debate is....I could understand if i was posting this stuff in your other forums but Im not and i wont. But this is ALL fair play in conmsole debating...but yall have probully been with out opposition for so long that you forgot what REALLY goes down in a console debating forum...
Like I said before, most of us here are multi console gamers. We get new guys like you all the time. Hopefully OgodlyThing(sp? sorry Ogodly. :)) will talk to you and tell you what this forum is all about, because you obviously don\'t have a clue.
Let the consoles decide there own fate. Im not going to sit around and let you TRY to influence someone that they should not make a purchase....cause some poor smuck might be reading your post and ACTUALLY think you know what you are talking about...
LOL. *cough* hypocrite *cough* If you truely believed in what you just said, you wouldn\'t bother defending the Xbox like you do. "Let the consoles decide there[sic] own fate."
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Tshirts, that was an amazingly well thought out opinion right there.
Most XBox fans have this idea that the moment the XBox is released the PS2 will die.
What you just said made lots of sense.
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
and Living in clip... tell me this...why is it OK to be an early adopter with the ps2 and NOT with the xbox??? you contradict yourself....I could careless if you buy the xbox when it comes out but the fact of the matter is that you are telling OTHER people NOT too. Not just VIVI but EVERYONE that reads these forums (members are not)not to be an EARLY xbox adapter!!! whats up with that??? Sounds like you want to influence the masses not to buy an xbox if you ask me.... I just called you on it.
You are so very paranoid. I could care less who buys an Xbox, as I\'ll buy one. And did you read my posts at all? Apparently not. I said he would be smart not to be an early adopter of Sony\'s HD idea. I never said not to buy an Xbox.
You obviously think people cannot make their own minds up. I severely doubt me saying keep your PS2 , will change anyones mind. But he should keep his PS2, as it has exclusive titles that the Xbox doesn\'t . Damn, if it was an Xbox fan saying he was sellin\' his for a PS2, I\'d tell him the same. Keep the system. Selling a system means you\'ll miss out on alot of games.
You are way to paranoid .
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Well Ironfist....yall are tring to convince him Not to sell his ps2 for a xbox.....and Im doing just the opposite...we are just on different sides off the same coin.....but im a fanboy for doing so right??? give me a break.
I understand this is a place where ps2 fans come to rant about how much they love their ps2\'s....and i respect that. But like I said before...this is the CONSOLE DEBATING SECTION OF THE FORUMS.....this section is INTENDED EVERYONE whether they like a ps2 are not to come and post THEIR thoughts about ANY CONSOLE THEY FEEL LIKE!!! if you dont like that...then get the admins to REMOVE this section....cause this is the MAIN objective of this section.
You get people like me all the time??? what quality posters???? but you run them off with this crap saying:
This is a ps2 forum....dont be coming in here with crap about other consoles
but EVEN this ps2 forum has a section thats for ALL CONSOLES....grow up. AS for age?? Im one of the oldest here. what is so childish about the way I posted??? I post what im thinking at that exact moment. If there is a "sware" word in there hey....it gets in there. But I BLEEP it out...
dont give me this crap about you never sware and Im a child becuase I do it......GROW UP!!!
If I were posting bad stuff ....alll you have to do is DEBATE ME and PROVE ME wrong....but instead you take a sissy way out and say: You\'re a fanboy!!
Looks like you lack the debating skill neccessary for the job.
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Soul_Reaver, this is just awful. You sound like a little girl! "Grow up", "GROW UP!" What\'s up with that? If you are really "one of the oldest here," then you should act like it. "And IronFist...you can kiss my a** dude...." Oh yes, very mature. :rolleyes:
I do not swear for various reasons, and I do not think that is what makes you seem childish. There are a lot of things that make you seem childish. One of them is how you talk big, but you never have any sources to back you up. You are a huge hypocrite. You completely ignore a lot of things that we say to you, and completely twist the other things we say around, making us look like the bad guys. And like Living-In-Clip said, you are a little paranoid. One person does not make a difference.
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what ever dude....what\'s considered "mature in your little world" may not be in mine. SO again....you can kiss my a**.
Me talk big??? yes i do...and I back everything up. and what do you need thats needs a source dude?? you\'ll have the source and then what??? but everything I have posted is pretty much common knowledge that doesnt need sources unless you are TOTALLY ill informed about the gaming indusrty.
What else must I do to please you great one?? Ive have not noticed you giving sources...
What have i stated that is false??? nothing.
quit talking out of your anus and impling FALSE statements about me... Is that proper enough for you??
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Well, there are more things to come as competition heats up. Look for Next E3 for the real stuff to get going.
Every Platform will be out by next E3 (E3 2002) and E3 happens in LATE MAY. I think 23rd through the 25th. So all platforms will be launched, no secrets will be hidden, everything out in the open. All final hardware will be shown, all games will be shown including the latest work in progress.
There will be NO EXCUSES. :)
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
what ever dude....what\'s considered "mature in your little world" may not be in mine. SO again....you can kiss my a**.
You are now the only Xbox supporter here that I don\'t respect. You are a jerk, and you are not funny.
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Are my feelings supposed to be hurt?
You started the name calling dude....how was I supposed to react? you sound like a little girl
you must be a child yada yada yada....
but in MY post before that I asked WHY is it ok for yall to do this but its wrong for me too??? WE were all doing the same thing....A VERY LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
Instead you answer by resorting to name calling. I dont take very well to that "stuff"...so you got the response that I gave.
so you think im a jerk??? likewise
so you dont respect me? likewise
you dont think im funny?? ...I wasn\'t being funny.
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Originally posted by IronFist
The point of this thread was to show Vivi why to keep a PS2, not to make him want the Xbox even more. He already knows the reasons why he wants the Xbox.
Bruce Lee: Quest of Dragon? Are you serious? Most new fighting games series\' comepletely suck. What makes you think this one will be different? Do you really think it is going to be good enough to compete with Tekken 4, VF4, SC2, or CvsSNK2? DOA3 is the Xbox\'s best chance of competing with the PS2 fighting game wise.
1. Notice how I said "Just wait, you will all see."
2. Numbers don\'t prove anything, games do. And that\'s something the PS2 will have plenty of.
3. Who the heck is Ray Charles?
Um Bruce Lee is not a fighting game. It is a action game. See that is the problem. Why must XboX games have to follow in the same path as games on other system. I mean that is crazy to count out a developer making a game that could totally rock. And talking about fighters. I am getting tired of the same old fighters. Tekken is getting so old. Same old style over and over. Even Doa.
I want a new fighter. You are totally pre judging anything great that can come from a new developer. Namco is not doing anything special. That someone can\'t mak a new figter. That is not good thinking to have towards new games. I don\'t want the same old over and over. It get boring.
1. The numbers can prove which is more powerful.
2. The games prove who has the better software. ps2 will have good softwar, but so will XBOX.
3. You don\'t who ray charles is? LOL
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Originally posted by Tshirts
Damn I don\'t get certain ppl.
Why did you buy a PS2 at launch, or earlier this year in the first place? The games were crap! Now when the killer hits are coming out like GT3, Devil May Cry, MGS2, Jax and Dexter, Herdy Gerdy, FFX, Wild Arms 3, XenoSaga, Soul Reaver 2, Klona 2, Silent Hill 2, Legacy of Kain 2, etc
you want to shift over to an inferior machine(Xbox)? I am sorry the Xbox at launch will simply be trounced by the PS2\'s second generation game. There is no competition. It is the same situation last year! The DC had a longer lineup of hits as oppose to the PS2....those who went out and bought a PS2 simply missed out on all the great DC games like Shenmue, JGR, Eternal Arcadia...I mean those were some of the best gaming experiences out there and it was a crying shame they were passed up for mediocre crap on the PS2. Don\'t buy into hype guys! You should look at the upcoming games first and then decide on your purchase. The Xbox will be a great system, but it won\'t be good until the next year. The launch games won\'t \'even begin to touch what the PS2 has to offer. Trust me! Why don\'t you keep your PS2, and then purchase an Xbox next year when the great games come out and the system price goes down.
bEsides FFX, gt3, MGS2 none of those other games are big enough to hold down a market. They are great supporting games for the system. GT3,MGS2, AND ffx are the killer apps. And the only thing that would sway most main stream gamers is FFX.
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Sorry, I shouldnt be replying cause I havent read the entire thread but I totally agree with Jumpman.
All he said was logical. They will give up on the online thing and wait for PS3 for that.
Online gaming for the general public is still probably a few years away in my opinion. Only hardcore gamers are into it really.
So I dont think it\'s much of a loss for Sony or Nintendo not having online gaming out of the box
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Originally posted by XBOX
bEsides FFX, gt3, MGS2 none of those other games are big enough to hold down a market. They are great supporting games for the system. GT3,MGS2, AND ffx are the killer apps. And the only thing that would sway most main stream gamers is FFX.
I seriously doubt DMC, Jak & Daxter, Silent Hill 2 (0 for XBOX?), Xenosaga and Legacy of Kain 2 will not be as good as FFX, GT3, MGS2.
I know the exclusives of PS2 sound great but you cant think that XBOX wont get any great exclusives... XBOX will probably get more.
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The most important thing is if you like games, and are a console "whore" you can get all the console you desire, so why should we fight over this? :D
Vivi keep the PS2, buy the XBox, GC etc... enjoy the games
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a shake? you dont know what your gettin\'
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I felt the same way and was convinced I was buying a playstation 2, but in December I found out about XBox and ever since I never thought about buying a ps2 since. I reserved my XBox back in January and I\'m counting down the days until November 8! 124 and counting!
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Xbox has nothing I want on it. Oddworld doesn\'t intrest me at all. Belive me, the best launch of the Next Generation consoles will be the GC Rogue Leader, Wave Race, Super Smash Bros. Melee (best fighter series I\'ve ever played), Pikmin may look kiddy but it looks damn fun, Eternal Darkness just sounds awesome to play, Extreme G3 a better racing game then GT3 in my opinion, but thats just me. GC launch sounds like it has too many AAA titles to get at launch. And then right after that is SSX Tricky, Crazy Taxi, Phantasy Star Online 2 (which shows some online play will be there at launch right away), and Resident Evil 0. I don\'t really care about what system people want to get. I am getting what I love and thats what matters to me. GC is first for me, then the Ps2, then the DC, then the XBox. But thats just me:D
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Xbox has nothing I want on it. Oddworld doesn\'t intrest me at all. Belive me, the best launch of the Next Generation consoles will be the GC Rogue Leader, Wave Race, Super Smash Bros. Melee (best fighter series I\'ve ever played), Pikmin may look kiddy but it looks damn fun, Eternal Darkness just sounds awesome to play, Extreme G3 a better racing game then GT3 in my opinion, but thats just me. GC launch sounds like it has too many AAA titles to get at launch. And then right after that is SSX Tricky, Crazy Taxi, Phantasy Star Online 2 (which shows some online play will be there at launch right away), and Resident Evil 0. I don\'t really care about what system people want to get. I am getting what I love and thats what matters to me. GC is first for me, then the Ps2, then the DC, then the XBox. But thats just me:D
Nothing you want on XBOX? Thats impossible! Keep telling yourself that. Thats pure BS.
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Its very possible that I don\'t like anything on the XBox. Thats just who I am. I want my Zeldas, Marios, Star Wars games(they have always been the best on Nintendo consoles IMO), most of all... I want the love from Nintendo. But I won\'t go on to how they put love into the games.
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im pretty much just replying to the first page (and SoulReaver :)) seeing as the rest is filled with the same bull**** that has already been stated :)
Originally posted by ViVi
I know what I\'m gonna do, I\'m gonna keep my PS2 and wait to see how this HDD thing works out. I know I sounded really extreme and stupid but I was REALLY pissed off. Sony really screwed us this time. If you ask me, I think PS2 is gonna fail. I\'m still gonna put an XBOX ahead of PS2.
i just hope you realise that PS2 has sold over 11 million units worldwide....still think its gonna fail??? its already succeeded :)
Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
But at the same tim ehe deserves to make that decision himself with out yall putting this pressure on him to do other than what he stated. What did he say??? he said he had it with sony and is going to sell his system....the what do yall say??? yall are like ...THATS DRASTIC!!! well it aint to him and alot of people....its obvious that hes thought about it....and he posted his decision.....but the yall come in and condem him fro his decision....
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put pressure on him to change his mind? he really thought about it?
Originally posted by ViVi
I suggest everyone else does the same, unless you can prove me wrong.
He is not only trying to influence US, he asked us to prove him wrong
Originally posted by ViVi
I know I sounded really extreme and stupid but I was REALLY pissed off.
gee Soul Reaver, he sounded like he was rational and put lots of thought into it...he was REALLY pissed off...who here can make rational decisions while they are pissed off. Thats why the people here tried to say he was being drastic. OK, now hat he has thought about it, he has realised himnself that he was being drastic, and wants to keep his PS2. He has changed his mind (slightly)
Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
did I condem him for his decision?? NO...YALL did. I congradulated him on it and told him hes has alot to look forward to with his new found decision to buy an xbox. yall are the ones that have the problem....
no, you just condemned us for trying to reason with him
Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
I see you dont like my xbox ...as you would say PREACHING.... well too bad. there is ALOT of ps2 preaching going around here and you are guilty of it to....in fact...anyone here who was tring to convince VIVI not to sell his ps2 was PS2 preaching and THAT INCLUDES YOUR SELF. I bring a balence here...and I see you dont like me upsetting the balence...:D
dood, i invitd you here becase as far as the XBox side of things go, you know what you are talking about...and i like debating with you, and hearing what you have to say...but your reactions have been a little over the top. Your being agressive to people who are only voicing their opinions. You can voice your opinion if you want, but you are sounding more and more like the XBox version of Jumpman everyday
Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
and Living in clip... tell me this...why is it OK to be an early adopter with the ps2 and NOT with the xbox??? you contradict yourself....I could careless if you buy the xbox when it comes out but the fact of the matter is that you are telling OTHER people NOT too. Not just VIVI but EVERYONE that reads these forums (members are not)not to be an EARLY xbox adapter!!! whats up with that??? Sounds like you want to influence the masses not to buy an xbox if you ask me.... I just called you on it.
ok...i agree, with you, but i can see the sides here. An early adopter of PS2 = someone who associates the Playstation with good gaming. With the PS2 you are guaranteed great games, with great developer support. Early adopter of XBox = Someone who is taking a rik spending money on a console with less than half as many games, nknown franchises, developers etc. People are unsure about it, that is why it is different to be an early adopter of XBox. And Vivi himself tried to convince us to get an XBox he "suggested" we all did the same as him...i dont see you calling him on that. He asked us to convince him otherwise...which they have tried.
Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
SMART!!!! Personally I can\'t stand my PS2, XBOX is just going to put PS2 to shame is every aspect of gameplay.
Sell the thing while it\'s worth money, and use that to get the XBOX.
PS2 is just an utter mess, IMO
strange...i thought the XBox games were the ones with gamesplay, not the console itself...mebbe your right, i never go out into the yard and kick the PS2 around
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
i just hope you realise that PS2 has sold over 11 million units worldwide....still think its gonna fail??? its already succeeded :)
Sony looses about $150 on each console made. If all the buyers all of a sudden dropped dead, Sony couldn\'t make a profeit. Meaning in essence that they would fail if they didn\'t buy enough games or accessories.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Sony looses about $150 on each console made. If all the buyers all of a sudden dropped dead, Sony couldn\'t make a profeit. Meaning in essence that they would fail if they didn\'t buy enough games or accessories.
thats very intellegent of you...but what would happen to the PS2\'s the dead people \'own\'...go in the garbage...id say someone would get a hand me down = more accesory sales
BTW, i must remind people...this is just a hypothetical situation :)
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Also you must take in mind the 3rd Party accessories. That stand probably costs Sony about 25 cents to make, so they make about 10 bucks off of it. But if someone else makes it, they\'re in trouble.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Also you must take in mind the 3rd Party accessories. That stand probably costs Sony about 25 cents to make, so they make about 10 bucks off of it. But if someone else makes it, they\'re in trouble.
its been happening to Sony for many years. Third party memory cards for the PS2 were much cheaper than Sony cards...but why dont you buy those, they arent as reliable. Why dont you buy 8mb PSX memory cards...unreliable
now, i know a stand is pretty different...but i dont see why anyone would buy the stand in the first place...waste of money i think
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You can voice your opinion if you want, but you are sounding more and more like the XBox version of Jumpman everyday
What the ****??? You can\'t compare me to Soul Reaver. Especially now since I\'ve never stated my opinion in an offensive way(besides directly insulting people) in a long ****ing time. Explain yourself.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
What the ****??? You can\'t compare me to Soul Reaver. Especially now since I\'ve never stated my opinion in an offensive way(besides directly insulting people) in a long ****ing time. Explain yourself.
well, basically...when you argue with people...you call them names...much like Soul Reaver has been doing (on a much smaller scale)
and your right, we cant compare you to Soully...hes a much better debater in the ways of consoles :)
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Also you must take in mind the 3rd Party accessories. That stand probably costs Sony about 25 cents to make, so they make about 10 bucks off of it. But if someone else makes it, they\'re in trouble.
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
I SEE YOUR MOUTH MOVE, BUT I CAN\'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAY.
Jumpman STHU, U R JACKASS
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ok bob....Im going to have to put this out there ESPECIALLY for you buddy. SCREW YOU. I have not called anyone names who haven\'t called me names first.
Im not here to argue with these people for your pure amusement bob...
bob says:
no, you just condemned us for trying to reason with him
what was that all about??? how was that statement of mine you posted "codemening" y\'all? It wasn\'t.
Dont call me to come here and then make this a Soul Reaver against as you said "us" situation. It has never been that. Your comments to me were totally off base for I was just dong what everyone else in here was doing.....I NEVER "CONDEMNED" YALL FOR doing the same....did you artually read all the post???
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And lets just address some of the issues you just brought up.
from bob:
An early adopter of PS2 = someone who associates the Playstation with good gaming. With the PS2 you are guaranteed great games, with great developer support. Early adopter of XBox = Someone who is taking a rik spending money on a console with less than half as many games, nknown franchises, developers etc. People are unsure about it, that is why it is different to be an early adopter of XBox.
This is one of the most rediculous statements Ive heard from you in a long time.
Why are Early adopters of ps2...(as you kinda are implying)....making a smart purchase cause it "gaurantees" "great" games, with great developer support?
There are no garantees dude....you know that. The fact that ps did so good doesn\'t garantee quality games and abundant devel. support. for ps2. weve seen that OVER and OVER with the gaming industry and the trend has not been broken.( SNES and N64...nuff said). It looks to me that if you going to go by YOUR explaination...then the real risk is in purchasing any console by a company that one the last console war. That would make the ps2 a risk now wouldnt it.
But you say early adopters of the xbox are taking "risk" with less than half as many games , unknown franchises, and developers support?? WHAT??
the unknown fanchises remark..untrue...
sega sports is a WELL known franchise and its solely xbox\'s. odd world is a well known franchise too...and its "soley" xbox\'s. The only console that holds up to the "known" franchises arguement is nintendo. Ps2 does not come close to upholding that statement. what are the "known" ps2 franchises?? Twisted Metal, Tekken,and the GT series. What other quality franshises does PS2 have?? you cant count Metal gear anymore....its not "soley" there\'s. You cant count anything thats not soley theres .So what are you talking about? Final Fantasy really cant be included either now....there making XI for it...who\'s to say the rest will not follow?
(and remeber people...we are talking about old franchises the public knows about....dont be telling me anything new like devil may cry, or Dax. ect....new games are NOT considered franchises)
lets see...1/2 as many games....humm...
there going to be MORE and better "quality" launch titles available for the xbox\'s launch than the ps2\'s had at launch. And XBOX is developement is so fast..they are putting games out in one year intervals...quality games at that.
you saw what they did with only FOUR months of developement of "gothem"...and the same goes for "unreal championship". The ps2\'s flag ship games have taken 2 to 4 years to get out. GT3 and MGS2 have been LONG in the developement. Look like your More games arguement is not going to hold up if MS keeps at there current pace. PS2 was "supposed" to have over 150 games by now according to what sony stated at its launch. What happened?
and of that "more" you are talking about....how many are "quality" titles?? you can answer that to me be telling me exactly how many ps2 games you "currently" own. You\'ve already told me its not many. In fact most people dont own over three right now.
And you know and I know that the developement backing is an advantage for both ps2 AND XBOX....so you cant include that in your argument either. They are backed by between 250-300 developers now.
So...It looks like the xbox is not a risk at all.....ESPECIALLY if you go by your standards.
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Well if its the hd thing your mad about i heard that sony was releasing a smaller hadrive around 8-15 g for about $59.99, and i wouldent give up on the ps2 yet, just look whats coming, silent hill 2, twisted metal black and online, metal gear solid 2, tekken4, gt3, ico, jaks and dexter, soul calibur 2, tribes 2, resident evil 4 final fantasy 10-12 and 11 will be on xbox, capcom vs snk2vf4, devil may cry, tenchu 3, thps3, these are just some that will come this year, and dont forget it\'ll go online with twisted metal online, thp3, socum, tribes 2 this year. The xbox looks good right now i know, its hard to over look project ego, and halo but lets talk about halo, it wont go online so well its not meant not to be online. Same goes for thp3. Oddworld graphic wise isnt anything i that couldent be done on the other consoles and i dont think it be good in 3d anyway. project gotham may be good, but i really dont think good enough to push away gt3. If your looking for an online console well sonlys releasing the monitor keyboard and modem this christmas you know and we all hope they get the smaller and cheaper hardrive out, and jumpman pc online is a whole differ categorie then console online, its not all about 1st person shooters anymore!
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there going to be MORE and better "quality" launch titles available for the xbox\'s launch than the ps2\'s had at launch. And XBOX is developement is so fast..they are putting games out in one year intervals...quality games at that.
I love it when ppl try to pass off an opinion as a fact.
To you, the Xbox might have a higher quality launch. Others might have loved the games @ PS2\'s launch. I do think the games @ PS2\'s launch were mediocre (cept for a few). Just don\'t assume the X-box\'s launch is stellar when you have not played a single game.
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I\'m goin on the same note as Data\'s last post. Soul, you assume the PS2 launch titles was crap. Alot of people enjoyed them. I personally did not, even though I bought 6 of them. But you want to pass off the Xbox games as excellent, when you haven\'t even played them. And even when you do, you cannot tell me they are great, for the simple fact everyone has varied taste. I see nothing at the Xbox launch that interests me, so I\'m waiting for the Sega games to come out.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
well, basically...when you argue with people...you call them names...much like Soul Reaver has been doing (on a much smaller scale)
Actually, I\'ve never done that in a while now. I\'ve realized that people stop taking me seriously in arguments when I insult them. I could be ahnilating the the argument and they still wouldn\'t take me seriously. I\'ve learned from my past mistakes.
and your right, we cant compare you to Soully...hes a much better debater in the ways of consoles :)
We\'ll see about that...
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I\'ve debated with ole\' Jumpy quite a few times and never got called a name (I don\'t think? :D ). I enjoy debating with him, just because I\'ve never seen someone who defends the N64 with all their might. For 14 (?) he can put up a good debate when it comes to Nintendo related things.
Maybe I\'m in the miniorty but I like ole\' Jumpy (heh, damn I love calling him that.)
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
well, basically...when you argue with people...you call them names...much like Soul Reaver has been doing (on a much smaller scale)
There are people that are worse with name calling while debating. And what about that "be in bed by 11:00" attitude everyone gives him cuz hes 14? Jumpman may call people names but not nearly as much as half the people here.
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"Just don\'t assume the X-box\'s launch is stellar when you have not played a single game.
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Argh! I hate statements like this. At the same token, I don\'t think you(dataimage) have the right to assume it is not stellar. Have you played the game? Can you attest to us that it is not a spectacular, phenomenal product? So exactly, who\'s speculation is more right or wrong? Unless if he is writing a comprehensive review, I think he has every right to exude his enthusiasm and exuberance over an unfinished product. I don\'t think it is far fetch to assume a game like Jet Grind Radio Future, with Smilebit working on it, will be anything less than a stellar title. In fact, taking a look at the current lineup and the progress they are making it with each game, it would actually be more assinine than less to arrogate it won\'t be a anything but a great launch.
BTW. This is a discussion forum. Not everything in here is in line with fact. Everyone is entitle to present their views on what they think just as long as it opens a means for discussion. I hate the whole "how can the game be any good if you haven\'t played it" rhetoric because it takes away such a great basis and grounds for a discussion. Videogames is a driving force for forums like this and if we are merely restricted to only discuss about games that do exist and one that we can play, then this will be one very dull and boring place. The best discussions are the visionary ones. Just my thoughts..........
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well its nice to see that jumpman has changed. i kinda like the guy.
and most of this arguement is about opinion. people will buy the gamecube because they likethe games coming out for it
or they will buy the ps2 because they like the games out for it,
EXC...
like datamage said, it is mostly opinion, i wouldnt jump on VIVI\'s back and tell him he shouldnt dump the ps2.(although i would never do such a thing)
its his opinion. he left it open for people to talk to him about it.
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Argh! I hate statements like this. At the same token, I don\'t think you(datamage) have the right to assume it is not stellar. Have you played the game? Can you attest to us that it is not a spectacular, phenomenal product?
Read my earlier post.
Read it again. Read it as many times as you need to.
Then tell me where exactly did I state that X-box\'s launch was not stellar. I never said it was or it wasn\'t. For I will not know till I play the games.
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For I will not know till I play the games. [/b]
The whole problem I had with your statement was you were deflecting all grounds of speculation. It seems like the only way we can discuss about a given product is if it is 100% finished and in our hands. This closes all means of any discourse for all future, unfinished products. It is along the same lines of me not being allowed to gloat over DOA3 just because "I haven\'t played it". Like I said earlier and I will reiterate, unless if I am writing some sort of review then I think it is ok to speculate over any given product in a positive manner. For example: MGS2. It is a sequel to a prior game I love and the same developers are on board. It is just an accurate assessment to say a game like this would be a "stellar title" given the progress it is making and Hideo Kojima is at the helm. It is actually more right than wrong to assume that. Besides, this is a discussion forum, and everyone of us should have the right to speculate on any given product without having someone come in and shoot us down just because we haven\'t played it yet. Instead of saying "you haven\'t played the game" why don\'t you present your own views on why you don\'t think it would be a stellar title instead of dismissing the basis of a discussion altogether. Catch my drift?
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Tshirts,
Didn\'t bother quoting, to save wasted space I suppose. I understand the point you are getting across. Though you keep reiterating that I said X-box\'s launch was not great.
You can think something is great all you want. Everyone has the right to that, though I\'d like to base that conclusion on some solid ground. The assumption that MGS2 will be great is based off different points. Hideo is @ the helm, (as you mentioned), most people loved the original MGS, and it\'s the continuation of the Metal Gear series. Those are reasons why people might assume MGS2 will be great. Though it still doesn\'t make it a fact. I digress...
Aside from DOA3, what other franchises/developers/etc can you state are of superb quality for the X-box? (from the launch titles) .. With facts from the past for substance. Oddworld made a nice 2D game. Doesn\'t mean it will translate to 3D very well, despite its looks. Halo is promising, but can Bungie pull it off? Air Force Delta II looks nice, but considering the first one wasn\'t too great, does that mean this one will follow the same traits? Etc, etc. The PS2 launch was mediocre, I admit. -- But Tekken fans knew what to expect of Tekken Tag. Ridge Racer fans will enjoy RRV despite its graphical flaws, Madden-heads will love Madden 2k1. The rehashes the PS2 provided @ launch were accepted by those who enjoyed their previous incarnations.
I rambled. The point is, you can\'t pass off facts on your hopes and speculations. There\'s nothing wrong with that, just be prepared to perhaps be disappointed. I still believe the DC launch to have been the best.
Can you say [movie title here] is awesome, without having seen the movie? Doesn\'t make sense to me.
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
This is one of the most rediculous statements Ive heard from you in a long time.
sega sports is a WELL known franchise and its solely xbox\'s. odd world is a well known franchise too...and its "soley" xbox\'s.
Why is it that whenever someone says something about the XBox, the XBox fans always relate to OddWorld. And For Sega sports, Last I heard GAMECUBE was going to be Sega Sports main platform... I don\'t know where you get these things. Link me to where it says Sega sports is XBox exclusive.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Why is it that whenever someone says something about the XBox, the XBox fans always relate to OddWorld. And For Sega sports, Last I heard GAMECUBE was going to be Sega Sports main platform... I don\'t know where you get these things. Link me to where it says Sega sports is XBox exclusive.
Sega Sports isnt Xclusive, but Visual Concepts has said XB is there platform of choice.
As for Oddworld, they\'ve got a good series, and havent screwed up yet. Theyre a great asset to MS.
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
ok bob....Im going to have to put this out there ESPECIALLY for you buddy. SCREW YOU. I have not called anyone names who haven\'t called me names first.
Im not here to argue with these people for your pure amusement bob...
what was that all about??? how was that statement of mine you posted "codemening" y\'all? It wasn\'t.
Dont call me to come here and then make this a Soul Reaver against as you said "us" situation. It has never been that. Your comments to me were totally off base for I was just dong what everyone else in here was doing.....I NEVER "CONDEMNED" YALL FOR doing the same....did you artually read all the post???
comdemn is a strong word, but you used the same word to those who were trying to convince him ts a bad choice, which is what he wants us them to do
Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
And lets just address some of the issues you just brought up.
This is one of the most rediculous statements Ive heard from you in a long time.
Why are Early adopters of ps2...(as you kinda are implying)....making a smart purchase cause it "gaurantees" "great" games, with great developer support?
There are no garantees dude....you know that. The fact that ps did so good doesn\'t garantee quality games and abundant devel. support. for ps2. weve seen that OVER and OVER with the gaming industry and the trend has not been broken.( SNES and N64...nuff said). It looks to me that if you going to go by YOUR explaination...then the real risk is in purchasing any console by a company that one the last console war. That would make the ps2 a risk now wouldnt it.
my point was being made in referring to the casual gamer. Since the PSX became main stream it revolutionised the gaming orld, mainly, by bringing videogames to the casual gamer, not just to \'nerds\' and such :) Since then, Sony and the PLayStyation has been associated with great quality gaming and a wide variety of games. Hence why they are \'guaranteed\' \'great\' games. For the casual gamer who buys maybe a couple of games, such as Tony Hawk, and Gran Turismo etc. they know that they will get these games and other enjoyable fun games. With XBox, they are taking a \'risk\'
Soully Says:
But you say early adopters of the xbox are taking "risk" with less than half as many games , unknown franchises, and developers support?? WHAT??
the unknown fanchises remark..untrue...
sega sports is a WELL known franchise and its solely xbox\'s. odd world is a well known franchise too...and its "soley" xbox\'s. The only console that holds up to the "known" franchises arguement is nintendo. Ps2 does not come close to upholding that statement. what are the "known" ps2 franchises?? Twisted Metal, Tekken,and the GT series. What other quality franshises does PS2 have?? you cant count Metal gear anymore....its not "soley" there\'s. You cant count anything thats not soley theres .So what are you talking about? Final Fantasy really cant be included either now....there making XI for it...who\'s to say the rest will not follow?
well, youve got me on Sega sports, they are a well trusted sports games series, but to average gamer Joe, does it really compare to EA Sports (even though its also on XBox and GC, its coming out to PS2 first. Sega Sports games have basically only been played on Sega consoles...when was the last time a sega console succeeded big time??? Genesis. I dont even know if Sega sports existed then...so Average gamer Joe has never had the chance to play these great games. As for the other franchises...they are on PS2, they are not only on PS2, but most of them are coming onto Ps2 a long time before XBox or other consoles are getting them i.e. MGS2 is coming out onto PS2 a year before MGSX. Final Fantasy, the same thing, FFX, and FFXI are EXCLUSIVE to PS2, FFXI (the most logical multiconsole choice) is possibly going to the XBox...and wont be on XBox til a long time after PS2. As it stand XBox is not getting any other Square franchise...and even so, casual gamer Joe now associates Final Fantasy with Playstation.
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there going to be MORE and better "quality" launch titles available for the xbox\'s launch than the ps2\'s had at launch. And XBOX is developement is so fast..they are putting games out in one year intervals...quality games at that.
so you say...
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and of that "more" you are talking about....how many are "quality" titles?? you can answer that to me be telling me exactly how many ps2 games you "currently" own. You\'ve already told me its not many. In fact most people dont own over three right now.
yes, i only own a few games *reaches into pockets* *butterflies fly out* ive got no money...there are many many games on my must buy list, and many games that i would already like to own...much more than *ahem* i would currently look forward to buying from Xbox :)
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And you know and I know that the developement backing is an advantage for both ps2 AND XBOX....so you cant include that in your argument either. They are backed by between 250-300 developers now.
So...It looks like the xbox is not a risk at all.....ESPECIALLY if you go by your standards.
its becoming less and less of a risk every day...id say for informed gamers, its not a risk, as they know which games are good and what to get...it will be a good console, it just depends if the word that its better than PS2 to outsell it
Originally posted by Jumpman
We\'ll see about that...
BWA HA HA...dood, the days at consoledomwe already proved that without a doubt...youve never really shown me how well you can actually argue...ive seen you aregue against dumbass newbies...but thats about it :)
Originally posted by ViVi
There are people that are worse with name calling while debating. And what about that "be in bed by 11:00" attitude everyone gives him cuz hes 14? Jumpman may call people names but not nearly as much as half the people here.
im cool with his age...hes just an angst ridden teen...isnt that right Jumpy? my chubby little friend
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Originally posted by Bob
BWA HA HA...dood, the days at consoledomwe already proved that without a doubt...youve never really shown me how well you can actually argue...ive seen you aregue against dumbass newbies...but thats about it
One thing you\'ve showned me is your spelling skills rival those of a 10 year old at best...
The Consoledome days are history now, I\'ve changed since then. You act like your way more intelligent than me now but that\'s not the case anymore.
As for the "you only argue with dumb ass newbies" remark: you couldn\'t be more clueless. Why don\'t you prove it instead of making wild accusations. Name some of these "dumb ass" newbies.
Look at LIC post. For being 15 I can stand on my own in an argument.
im cool with his age...hes just an angst ridden teen...isnt that right Jumpy?
I take no shame in knowing that. :)
my chubby little friend
Nice try. But provoking me with pathetic little comments like that won\'t work anymore. Get some new material.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
One thing you\'ve showned me is your spelling skills rival those of a 10 year old at best...
ooh, tisk tisk, getting personal...so i made a few mistakes, it happens occasionally when you type really fast, and you type such a long friggen post dood...dont try and think your some super intellegent being, your not fooling me
Jumpman says:The Consoledome days are history now, I\'ve changed since then. You act like your way more intelligent than me now but that\'s not the case anymore.
dood, i was just being light-hearted and joking around with you...at ConsoleDome you were pretty cool, and it thought we could joke around like that without people *cough*you*cough* being offended :) plus your not fooling me, you think because you put away a few newbies who bashed nintendo, your all of a sudden a genius? im not buying...maybe one day :)
Jumpy says:As for the "you only argue with dumb ass newbies" remark: you couldn\'t be more clueless. Why don\'t you prove it instead of making wild accusations. Name some of these "dumb ass" newbies.
ohh, poor bubby, want a tissue bubba? :) i meant ive only seen you beat down newbies in an arguement...i mustnt read all your posts :)
Jumpy says:Look at LIC post. For being 15 I can stand on my own in an argument.
that you can...
Jumpy says:Nice try. But provoking me with pathetic little comments like that won\'t work anymore. Get some new material.
i was just joking around...your the one who has tried to provoke me (if that)...and i only said that because...i remember Soul_Reaver mentioning something about you thinking you could beat him up, BUAH HAHA :)
Dude, ive got no problem with you...i just like teasing you a bit :fro: toot on
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I get this feeling this is turing into a soap opera, ah what the heck....
:Starts up the light piano music and dims the screen: :)
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ooh, tisk tisk, getting personal...so i made a few mistakes, it happens occasionally when you type really fast, and you type such a long friggen post dood...dont try and think your some super intellegent being, your not fooling me
It\'s spelled intelligent. ;)
dood, i was just being light-hearted and joking around with you...at ConsoleDome you were pretty cool, and it thought we could joke around like that without people *cough*you*cough* being offended plus your not fooling me, you think because you put away a few newbies who bashed nintendo, your all of a sudden a genius? im not buying...maybe one day
I never said I was a genious either. Bashing moronic newbies doesn\'t make me feell any smarter.
Also, how was I supposed to know you were joking around? Just read your last post.
BWA HA HA...dood, the days at consoledomwe already proved that without a doubt...youve never really shown me how well you can actually argue...ive seen you aregue against dumbass newbies...but thats about it
No usage of sarcasm...no smileys... I can\'t read your mind! Be more direct next time.
ohh, poor bubby, want a tissue bubba? i meant ive only seen you beat down newbies in an arguement...i mustnt read all your posts
Exactly!
i was just joking around...your the one who has tried to provoke me (if that)...
Joking...provoking... be more clear next time. It sounded a provoke to me. But I get those a lot...
and i only said that because...i remember Soul_Reaver mentioning something about you thinking you could beat him up, BUAH HAHA
I never said I could beat up. I called him a nerd, then he said he could beat me up even if I had 3 of my friends with a baseball bat( those were his very words). I laughed at that since he has NO IDEA of what some of my friends are capable of...
Dude, ive got no problem with you...i just like teasing you a bit toot on
Ok, it\'s cool now.
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by data damage:
To you, the Xbox might have a higher quality launch. Others might have loved the games @ PS2\'s launch. I do think the games @ PS2\'s launch were mediocre (cept for a few). Just don\'t assume the X-box\'s launch is stellar when you have not played a single game.
I want YOU to realize that my response was in response do bobs "hypothetical" reasons why the ps2 is not a risk. He says is garantees GREAT games and ALOT of them. But if it "garantees" great games and ALOT of them...why havent we seen them? Sure, somebody loves each and every title that came out. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAUNCH SALES OF THE PS2\'s launch titles you ill notice that other than EA, and tekken....EVERYTHING else suffered. ALL those companies are down sony\'s throats about it to(and square is one of them). But I thought I was garanteed great games and alot of them??? nothing is garanteed and ps2 has proven that very well. In japan the primary use of the ps2 is STILL MAINLY AS A DVD player. Surely if there were great games....they would be buying them wouldnt they???
by JediMaster:
Why is it that whenever someone says something about the XBox, the XBox fans always relate to OddWorld. And For Sega sports, Last I heard GAMECUBE was going to be Sega Sports main platform... I don\'t know where you get these things. Link me to where it says Sega sports is XBox exclusive.
Im tired off people asking me for quotes on things that are "common" knowledge. The fact that you even post here tells me that your a hardcore gamer. You can find at last 10 gaming sites that state that all the sega sports titles are xbox exclusives. ITS BEEN CONFIRMED.
I challenge YOU....to show me ONE site that says sega sports main platform is nintendo dude?? cause its BS. What system is NBA2k2 coming out for? xbox (and dreamcast)
What system is NFL2k2 coming out for? xbox (and dreamcast)
What system is NBA2k3 coming out for? Xbox "exclusively"
What systems is NFL2k3 coming out for? xbox "exclusively"
well....if nintendo is sega sports "MAIN" platform then??? were the hell are there titles?? they dont exist. Its YOU who needs to provide the link. If YOU cant find a link saying these games are coming to xbox then......you are not looking for it. HINT: do a search on ign for it;)
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
I want YOU to realize that my response was in response do bobs "hypothetical" reasons why the ps2 is not a risk. He says is garantees GREAT games and ALOT of them. But if it "garantees" great games and ALOT of them...why havent we seen them?
dude, did you not read my explanation as to what i meant by it? if so, did you not understand what i was trying to get at?
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
Im tired off people asking me for quotes on things that are "common" knowledge. The fact that you even post here tells me that your a hardcore gamer. You can find at last 10 gaming sites that state that all the sega sports titles are xbox exclusives. ITS BEEN CONFIRMED.
I challenge YOU....to show me ONE site that says sega sports main platform is nintendo dude?? cause its BS. What system is NBA2k2 coming out for? xbox (and dreamcast)
What system is NFL2k2 coming out for? xbox (and dreamcast)
What system is NBA2k2 coming out for? Xbox "exclusively"
What systems is NFL2k2 coming out for? xbox "exclusively"
well....if nintendo is sega sports "MAIN" platform then??? were the hell are there titles?? they dont exist. Its YOU who needs to provide the link. If YOU cant find a link saying these games are coming to xbox then......you are not looking for it. HINT: do a search on ign for it;)
Actually, Sega Sports games are officially confirmed for GameCube. There are no specific titles yet, but their support has already been confirmed.
http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=1709
Oh, and your not helping yourself by saying NFL2K2 is coming to Xbox exclusively after you just said it would appear on Dreamcast.
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my point was being made in referring to the casual gamer. Since the PSX became main stream it revolutionised the gaming orld, mainly, by bringing videogames to the casual gamer, not just to \'nerds\' and such Since then, Sony and the PLayStyation has been associated with great quality gaming and a wide variety of games. Hence why they are \'guaranteed\' \'great\' games. For the casual gamer who buys maybe a couple of games, such as Tony Hawk, and Gran Turismo etc. they know that they will get these games and other enjoyable fun games. With XBox, they are taking a \'risk\'
This is BS. If this were true....then they casual gamer would have NEVER given the original playstation the time of day. The SNES kicked everyone\'s a** for its turn. So, That was supposed to guarantee N64 LOTS of great games right? WRONG...nintndo lost the last console war didn\'t they. But if the casual gamer was to go by your "hypothesis" then the N64 would have reigned supereme though. Was nintendo not known for great games?? Yes they were. I guess the casual gamer is not as stupid as you think. Casual gamers DO the research dude....and they will to see that xbox has some great games ..."including" the tony hawk game you talked about above;)
but to average gamer Joe, does it really compare to EA Sports (even though its also on XBox and GC, its coming out to PS2 first. Sega Sports games have basically only been played on Sega consoles...when was the last time a sega console succeeded big time??? Genesis. I dont even know if Sega sports existed then...so Average gamer Joe has never had the chance to play these great games. As for the other franchises...they are on PS2, they are not only on PS2, but most of them are coming onto Ps2 a long time before XBox or other consoles are getting them i.e. MGS2 is coming out onto PS2 a year before MGSX. Final Fantasy, the same thing, FFX, and FFXI are EXCLUSIVE to PS2, FFXI (the most logical multiconsole choice) is possibly going to the XBox...and wont be on XBox til a long time after PS2. As it stand XBox is not getting any other Square franchise...and even so, casual gamer Joe now associates Final Fantasy with Playstation.
more BS dude. I dont know anybody who has NOT heard of NBA2k2 OR NFL2k2. Most "casual gamers" have played them...and most casual gamers know they rock. This is regardless of the fact the console is not a success. People KNOW that those were great games. They been on the covers of magazines...they\'ve gotten GREAT scores in these magazines. And sega flooded MTV with comercials of these games. (sega sports had LOTS of comercials....dont even try to deny it.)
by bob:
yes, i only own a few games *reaches into pockets* *butterflies fly out* ive got no money...there are many many games on my must buy list, and many games that i would already like to own...much more than *ahem* i would currently look forward to buying from Xbox
If these were must have games for you...you would find away to get them dude. Tell me that you are not getting MGS2 when it comes out cause you dont have the money and you are full of S***. You know and I know that you are going to find away to get it.
We are looking at FIRST generation xbox titles that RIVAL that of SECOND generation Sony titles which MOST STILL have not come out. We all know the graphics are better even now. What do you think second generation xbox titles are going to look like? I\'m talking about xbox games that have been designed from the start to finish on FINAL XDK kits??? games that will use programing techniques that have YET to be used?? I sutter at the possibility.
Bottom line: EVEN though these games are not out yet...It LOOKS to me that ..First generation xbox games have completely lept over first generation Ps2 games and are being compared to second generation ps2 games. ALOT of these games have all ready surpassed second generation ps2 games graphically....and the game play is yet to be determined cause we have not played them yet.*cough*data*cough*
What do you think the second generation Xbox games will do?
And as for you Final Fantasy comments....I was not aware you worked for them, cause you comments are nothing more than wishfull thinking.
Do you actually think that if xbox is successful....they will not develope for them? Do you actually think that if FFXI on xbox is a success....that square is gonna say:
"well, thast the only title we are gonna give them!"
"We dont mind missing out on millions of dollars!!"
Hell no....they aint going to say that and you know it. Bottom line: If FFXI is a success on xbox....you can go ahead and count the rest of the final fantasy series in for the xbox. To NOT do so..... is stupid.
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
This is BS. If this were true....then they casual gamer would have NEVER given the original playstation the time of day. The SNES kicked everyone\'s a** for its turn. So, That was supposed to guarantee N64 LOTS of great games right? WRONG...nintndo lost the last console war didn\'t they. But if the casual gamer was to go by your "hypothesis" then the N64 would have reigned supereme though. Was nintendo not known for great games?? Yes they were. I guess the casual gamer is not as stupid as you think. Casual gamers DO the research dude....and they will to see that xbox has some great games ..."including" the tony hawk game you talked about above;)
apart from the fact that they didnt lose, they actually did pretty well...but Nintendo screwed up big time, and released a console way too late. PSX was lucky, it came in at the right time when the industry needed another console, and gathered a lot more developer support than Nintendo and the \'Ultra 64\'
by the time N64 was released, PSX was gathering a great reputation for fun games and casual gamers started hooking in. Games like Resident Evil, Tekken, Ridge Racer etc...started PSx on its role so it had an early head start against its only competition...so far, this is happening again this generation...PS2 is in early, with similar titles, that compared to later generation titles are low quality, and its going against consoles released a LONG TIME after it, that are hyped up and dont have good reputations
more BS dude. I dont know anybody who has NOT heard of NBA2k2 OR NFL2k2. Most "casual gamers" have played them...and most casual gamers know they rock. This is regardless of the fact the console is not a success. People KNOW that those were great games. They been on the covers of magazines...they\'ve gotten GREAT scores in these magazines. And sega flooded MTV with comercials of these games. (sega sports had LOTS of comercials....dont even try to deny it.)
Dreamcast was a success in USA...not a success anywhere else. EA Sports will have its sports range on PS2 out way before it does on the other consoles, and way before sega does also..EA has a bigger reputation and casual fans know of it better than the Sega games
If these were must have games for you...you would find away to get them dude. Tell me that you are not getting MGS2 when it comes out cause you dont have the money and you are full of S***. You know and I know that you are going to find away to get it.
hahaha, actually, guess what....im NOT getting MGS2....its funny that :) but if i do encounter enough money i will get it...much like the other games that i want
We are looking at FIRST generation xbox titles that RIVAL that of SECOND generation Sony titles which MOST STILL have not come out. We all know the graphics are better even now. What do you think second generation xbox titles are going to look like? I\'m talking about xbox games that have been designed from the start to finish on FINAL XDK kits??? games that will use programing techniques that have YET to be used?? I sutter at the possibility.
i disagree...i dont think they look better than the best of what PS2 has to offer, based on videos ive seen off the net. XBox currently graphically, is disappointing me, sure the games look good, but they arent good enough...gameplay may be a different story however...and yes, i will like to see what games will look like developed entirely on XDK\'s...at the moment...we wont see will we. At the moment, i believe that PS2 has the edge on graphics
Bottom line: EVEN though these games are not out yet...It LOOKS to me that ..First generation xbox games have completely lept over first generation Ps2 games and are being compared to second generation ps2 games. ALOT of these games have all ready surpassed second generation ps2 games graphically....and the game play is yet to be determined cause we have not played them yet.*cough*data*cough*
What do you think the second generation Xbox games will do?
And as for you Final Fantasy comments....I was not aware you worked for them, cause you comments are nothing more than wishfull thinking.
you didnt know...well, we learn something new everyday, im the head of PR
actually, Square officailly came out and said FFX and FFXII will be exclusive to PS2 (dont ask me to find a link, its common knowledge :)) Square has officially stated that 23 games are being made for PS2, maybe more...how many games are officially announced for XBox....none...how many games are speculated to go to XBox...1...Final Fantasy 11...the online FF
Do you actually think that if xbox is successful....they will not develope for them? Do you actually think that if FFXI on xbox is a success....that square is gonna say:
"well, thast the only title we are gonna give them!"
"We dont mind missing out on millions of dollars!!"
Hell no....they aint going to say that and you know it. Bottom line: If FFXI is a success on xbox....you can go ahead and count the rest of the final fantasy series in for the xbox. To NOT do so..... is stupid. [/B]
good point...maybe you should tell Nacmo, Enix, Square, Konami, etc. etc. all the big developers the same thing...its funny how some consoles get exclusive game, when developers would make a lot more money if they went multiconsole
toot on Soul Reaver
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
more BS dude. I dont know anybody who has NOT heard of NBA2k2 OR NFL2k2. Most "casual gamers" have played them...and most casual gamers know they rock.
Most casual gamers have played them? So you are saying that over 75 million people have played NBA2k2 or NFL2k2 on a console that hasn\'t even sold 20 million units? I find that hard to believe. Who\'s the one talking BS now?
If these were must have games for you...you would find away to get them dude. Tell me that you are not getting MGS2 when it comes out cause you dont have the money and you are full of S***. You know and I know that you are going to find away to get it.
You misunderstood him. He was saying that he would rather spend his money on all the great PS2 games coming out this year instead of wasting it on an Xbox with very few great games. (That last part was my oppinion. :p)
We are looking at FIRST generation xbox titles that RIVAL that of SECOND generation Sony titles which MOST STILL have not come out. We all know the graphics are better even now. What do you think second generation xbox titles are going to look like?
I\'m thinking a lot like they look now. Again, this is my oppinion, but I don\'t think the Xbox is going to advance very much. It\'s going to have the same quality of graphics throughout its life. It will be just like the Dreamcast. Soul Calibur was one of the best looking games on the Dreamcast, and it was a launch title.
I\'m talking about xbox games that have been designed from the start to finish on FINAL XDK kits??? games that will use programing techniques that have YET to be used?? I sutter at the possibility.
Ok, well I\'m talking about how good PS2 games will look when the developers use it how it was meant to be used. They are understanding it more and more every day. Just imagine how good the PS2 games will look next year.
Bottom line: EVEN though these games are not out yet...It LOOKS to me that ..First generation xbox games have completely lept over first generation Ps2 games and are being compared to second generation ps2 games.
LOL. It\'s a good thing the Xbox first genners are better than the PS2 first generation games. The PS2 came out last year! If the Xbox didn\'t look better than the PS2 did back then, it wouldn\'t have a chance.
And as for you Final Fantasy comments....I was not aware you worked for them, cause you comments are nothing more than wishfull thinking.
Do you actually think that if xbox is successful....they will not develope for them? Do you actually think that if FFXI on xbox is a success....that square is gonna say:
"well, thast the only title we are gonna give them!"
"We dont mind missing out on millions of dollars!!"
Hell no....they aint going to say that and you know it. Bottom line: If FFXI is a success on xbox....you can go ahead and count the rest of the final fantasy series in for the xbox. To NOT do so..... is stupid.
FFXI can\'t be successful on the Xbox if the Xbox is not successful. There are too many things that the Xbox is competing with. Chances are it won\'t be successful. And only 1/10 of all Xbox owners will be able to play FFXI online, because the Xbox only supports Broadband. Very stupid mistake by Microsoft.
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I think IGN said that the ps2 is getting the sega sports games here is a link
http://ps2.ign.com/news/36378.html
read the start of the third large paragraph,it says about 2 sega sports titles,is that what you are all talking about?,or is it other games in the sega sports range?
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system is NBA2k2 coming out for? xbox (and dreamcast)
What system is NFL2k2 coming out for? xbox (and dreamcast)
What system is NBA2k2 coming out for? Xbox "exclusively"
What systems is NFL2k2 coming out for? xbox "exclusively"
You are full of it. And this will be the last time I spend my time responding to you. Get a clue, and stop making claims which are untrue. If you don\'t know that Sega Sports is developing for all consoles, then you don\'t know much @ all. Dull Reaver.
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CONGRATULATIONS EVERYONE!
THIS THREAD HAS BECOME THE OFFICIAL TALK OUT YOUR ASS BULLSH|T THRED!
AND IT\'S ALL THANKS TO YOU!!
Reading this crap makes me want to vomit with boredom.
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Calm down Bob.
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this thread has some of the longest posts ive ever seen.......
and please lets not have some of the great members fight about eachother. i hate it when people just start insulting each other.
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I have created a monster :(
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Originally posted by ViVi
I have created a monster :(
yep its all your fault VIVI, look at what youve done!!!!
youve made a thread so big that i dont want to read it all, and i bet only about 5 people actually have....
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Originally posted by Falcon4
yep its all your fault VIVI, look at what youve done!!!!
youve made a thread so big that i dont want to read it all, and i bet only about 5 people actually have....
Well, I\'m sure more have been reading since the begining. I\'ve read at least page 3 and most of 2. :D
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Originally posted by Falcon4
yep its all your fault VIVI, look at what youve done!!!!
youve made a thread so big that i dont want to read it all, and i bet only about 5 people actually have....
The trick is to start reading the thread when it was started, then when more people post, just read the last few posts. Ok, call me wise grasshopper. :D NOT.
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Originally posted by Toxical
The trick is to start reading the thread when it was started, then when more people post, just read the last few posts. Ok, call me wise grasshopper. :D NOT.
More like Wise Cricket. Thanks, I was trying to say the same thing but the words didn\'t come out as profound as yours, oh great and mighty cricket.
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In most of the quote battles you usually want to go back to and read through it all just to get a feel more of what the debate is about. In other threads, read the first post, then the next 3, then the last 4-5 and your set.
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100 replies!
yah yah, i spam, sue me.
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Originally posted by Ryu
100 replies!
yah yah, i spam, sue me.
I was watching this thread in agony, knowing that I didn\'t have anything productive in which to be #100. It was at 99 for about two hours!
So how does it feel Ryu, or should I address you as "King Spam." :D
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by bob:
apart from the fact that they didnt lose, they actually did pretty well...but Nintendo screwed up big time, and released a console way too late. PSX was lucky, it came in at the right time when the industry needed another console, and gathered a lot more developer support than Nintendo and the \'Ultra 64\'
by the time N64 was released, PSX was gathering a great reputation for fun games and casual gamers started hooking in. Games like Resident Evil, Tekken, Ridge Racer etc...started PSx on its role so it had an early head start against its only competition...so far, this is happening again this generation...PS2 is in early, with similar titles, that compared to later generation titles are low quality, and its going against consoles released a LONG TIME after it, that are hyped up and dont have good reputations
untrue...yes it was released late..but this is not the reason it failed. When it hit....it sold out of ever console in the US. The console war that just ended was won in the LATER years of theri developement. Third and fourth. During those later years PS continued on their output of LOTS of games. But in nintendo\'s later years it was REALLY apparent that lack of third party developement was hurting them as only two or three "quality" games were being released a year.
by bob:
Dreamcast was a success in USA...not a success anywhere else. EA Sports will have its sports range on PS2 out way before it does on the other consoles, and way before sega does also..EA has a bigger reputation and casual fans know of it better than the Sega games
well thats true...EA is the #1 game developer in the world....but that doesn\'t mean that they will stay that way. They guys at sega are out to dethrone them...and if youve ever played ANY of there sports game you know its highly likely that it can happen. Not all of EA\'s sports titles are good. their hockey game sucked as well as many others. Their NBA franchise doesn\'t even come close to that of NBA2k series, and Basket ball title to this date is NBA streetz....
With the backing of MS 500 MILLION dollars advertising compaign SEGA SPORTS is bound to get there deserved audienced. EA will have a HUGE problem tring to match the advertising that MS is about to give sega sports.
i disagree...i dont think they look better than the best of what PS2 has to offer, based on videos ive seen off the net. XBox currently graphically, is disappointing me, sure the games look good, but they arent good enough...gameplay may be a different story however...and yes, i will like to see what games will look like developed entirely on XDK\'s...at the moment...we wont see will we. At the moment, i believe that PS2 has the edge on graphics
Your a hypocrite...You might not agree that the xbox pics look better than ps2\'s....BUT you cant deny that they are not equal dude.(their better and you know it;))
That said....how can you say xbox is graphically disapointing and the ps2 not?? cause if the xbox is disapointing then the ps2 is disapointing to. ESPECIALLY since both consoles do cost the same also.
go download the Devil MAy Cry pics and you\'ll see why people call it a jag station. BUT ps2 was supposed to be over that right?LOL .what ever.
by bob:
actually, Square officailly came out and said FFX and FFXII will be exclusive to PS2 (dont ask me to find a link, its common knowledge ) Square has officially stated that 23 games are being made for PS2, maybe more...how many games are officially announced for XBox....none...how many games are speculated to go to XBox...1...Final Fantasy 11...the online FF
that aint common knowlege dude. Yes..they said 23 games are being made for the ps2...but they didn\'t say that they wont be making them for other consoles either. Sure non-are officially announced...but give it time dude...It going to happen.
good point...maybe you should tell Nacmo, Enix, Square, Konami, etc. etc. all the big developers the same thing...its funny how some consoles get exclusive game, when developers would make a lot more money if they went multiconsole
toot on Soul Reaver
some get exclussive cause the game cant be done on any other system. Some developers are not that smart as well. Notice that non of those developers even comes close to matching EA\'s revenues....a company who\'s sole fortune comes from selling to MULTICONSOLES. Others are starting to get the clue. Notice that Konami is taking thier games MULTICONSOLE now. *cough*MGSX*cough*
developers are starting to get it...square will to. YOu know...square is in financial troubles becuase of sony....why would they throw all their apples into that one basket?
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by Ironfist:
most casual gamers have played them? So you are saying that over 75 million people have played NBA2k2 or NFL2k2 on a console that hasn\'t even sold 20 million units? I find that hard to believe. Who\'s the one talking BS now?
I guess you nieve enough to think that they only people who have played dreamcast games are only the people who bought them?:rolleyes: peole go to their friends house and play them...and people play the in stores like best buy. Now if each dreamcast owner had a friend over to play it.....then now wever talking about 40 million people play it right? if each dreamcast owner had more than one person come over and play it ....then you see how that number grows exponentially.
I dont own a ps2 man...and i bet Ive played more ps2 games than over 75% of the people here.
by IronFist:
You misunderstood him. He was saying that he would rather spend his money on all the great PS2 games coming out this year instead of wasting it on an Xbox with very few great games. (That last part was my oppinion. )
thats pretty funny. Cause you still dont know if they are going to be good are not. Ps2 released a LOT of games this year that were "specualted" to being GREAT....but when they hit....they were not so great. It\'s been happening a LOT lately...and just because now ps2 is getting a few games that actually lived up to there hype....they NOT proven themselves to have broken out of that pattern just yet.
by IronFist:
I\'m thinking a lot like they look now. Again, this is my oppinion, but I don\'t think the Xbox is going to advance very much. It\'s going to have the same quality of graphics throughout its life. It will be just like the Dreamcast. Soul Calibur was one of the best looking games on the Dreamcast, and it was a launch title.
thats funny?? I see you know nothing about programing if you think that. Programers are always finding ways to get more out of the hardware...that situation is NOT EXCLUSIVE to the ps2. You are talking about the most advanced gpu in the world....and you think that technology will be mastered from day one? LOL:D Sure they have some familar tools in direct x to work with ...but the new direct x has all kinds of nice trucks that iut can do that programers have yet to discover.....go read up on it before you make a comment like that. Its an insult to every programer out there.
by Ironfist:
Ok, well I\'m talking about how good PS2 games will look when the developers use it how it was meant to be used. They are understanding it more and more every day. Just imagine how good the PS2 games will look next year.
It looking to me that developers will not be learning how to do that until the ps2 is almost dead. Its the second year and developers aren\'t even close. the only people advancing are SONY\'s companies and THEY MADE THE CONSOLE so it should be like that. Other developers are STILL struggling. GT3 is a great leap...but thats a sony company....look at capcom..
onimusha uses "pre-rendered" back grounds cause they had problems with anuthing else. ONIMUSHA2 is STILL using "prerendered" back grounds and they claimed that they would understand the technology by the second time around so they would use prerendered backgrounds.....looks like they are still having problems cause they did not live up to there promise.
Should I meantion Devil May Cry again?? Jag heaven man...whats up with that??
by Ironfist:
FFXI can\'t be successful on the Xbox if the Xbox is not successful. There are too many things that the Xbox is competing with. Chances are it won\'t be successful. And only 1/10 of all Xbox owners will be able to play FFXI online, because the Xbox only supports Broadband. Very stupid mistake by Microsoft.
There were to many things sony was competing with when they entered this indusrty dude....but they prevailed didn\'t they.
and lets see....broadband and hard drive are FREE with xbox....(both are needed to play FFXI) and in order to play this game on ps2 I have to BUY BOTH a hard drive and a modem....a total price of 190 dollars. Which is MORE stupid!!! if according to you only 1/10 of all xbox owners are going to be able to play FFXI...
then like only 1/50 of all ps2 owners are going to be able to play this game cause people aint going to shell out 190 dollars PLUS 50.00 for the game just to get their Final fantasy on. Who the hell is going to pay 240.00 to play one game??? LOL.....and you say XBox is stupid....LOL LOL LOL LOL OMG....LOL!!:D
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Calm down Bob.
i am calm...me and Soul Reaver are good buds...i enjoy debating with him...maybe you should calm down
Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
untrue...yes it was released late..but this is not the reason it failed. When it hit....it sold out of ever console in the US. The console war that just ended was won in the LATER years of theri developement. Third and fourth. During those later years PS continued on their output of LOTS of games. But in nintendo\'s later years it was REALLY apparent that lack of third party developement was hurting them as only two or three "quality" games were being released a year.
dood, of course its gonna sell out, just as the gamecube will, just as XBox might, just as DC did...hardcore gamers do their research and know what console they are going to get...its only after about half a year or more that casual gamers start getting into it. So therefore, maybe it is a little haste to rule out XBox early...but i just got a bad feeling about it...but...this is really irrelevant to our current debate :)
well thats true...EA is the #1 game developer in the world....but that doesn\'t mean that they will stay that way. They guys at sega are out to dethrone them...and if youve ever played ANY of there sports game you know its highly likely that it can happen. Not all of EA\'s sports titles are good. their hockey game sucked as well as many others. Their NBA franchise doesn\'t even come close to that of NBA2k series, and Basket ball title to this date is NBA streetz....
i think it would be hard for Sega to dethrown EA...EA are too huge, they gross the most income, and they are also the biggest...owning companies from Bullfrog, to Westwood...they are too huge, and their sports titles are too wide spread to be upset.
With the backing of MS 500 MILLION dollars advertising compaign SEGA SPORTS is bound to get there deserved audienced. EA will have a HUGE problem tring to match the advertising that MS is about to give sega sports.
Sega will not get their deserved audience if it actually is exclusive...EA will always have the bigger audience
Your a hypocrite...You might not agree that the xbox pics look better than ps2\'s....BUT you cant deny that they are not equal dude.(their better and you know it;))
That said....how can you say xbox is graphically disapointing and the ps2 not?? cause if the xbox is disapointing then the ps2 is disapointing to. ESPECIALLY since both consoles do cost the same also.
PS2 hasnt really impressed me so far with what i thought was promised...however, it sports the only games that make me go "Wow" yes, "Wow". XBox hasnt gotten that reaction from me yet...and when it does, you\'ll be the first to know dood, thats a promise :)
go download the Devil MAy Cry pics and you\'ll see why people call it a jag station. BUT ps2 was supposed to be over that right?LOL .what ever.
PS2 is over it...its whether developers want to implement it or not...download Tekken Tag Tournament pics...do you see jaggies? yes....play the game, do you see jaggies? no...same with most games, and the games that do have bad jaggies (i.e. TimeSplitters) you never notice it...Jaggies really arent a big problem, and you know it...its just a failsafe for XBox and Gamecube fans to tease PS2 fans about
that aint common knowlege dude. Yes..they said 23 games are being made for the ps2...but they didn\'t say that they wont be making them for other consoles either. Sure non-are officially announced...but give it time dude...It going to happen.
im sure it will *waits patiently*
some get exclussive cause the game cant be done on any other system. Some developers are not that smart as well. Notice that non of those developers even comes close to matching EA\'s revenues....a company who\'s sole fortune comes from selling to MULTICONSOLES. Others are starting to get the clue. Notice that Konami is taking thier games MULTICONSOLE now. *cough*MGSX*cough*
uhuh, yes i will be awaiting MGSX...a whole year after its released on PS2...mmm :) that is a system seller for the PS2...not for the XBox. Ieve discussed about EA before in this thread
developers are starting to get it...square will to. YOu know...square is in financial troubles becuase of sony....why would they throw all their apples into that one basket?
yes, just as how Square, Namco and Enix are teaming up to ensure PS2 stays the number one console, as that is what they are throwing most of their eggs into
woo...good to see this debate is dying down...too much typing for me
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by data:
You are full of it. And this will be the last time I spend my time responding to you. Get a clue, and stop making claims which are untrue. If you don\'t know that Sega Sports is developing for all consoles, then you don\'t know much @ all. Dull Reaver.
dont flatter youself and "dissmiss me" like you are some master poster. I\'ll rip up to shreads in any thread you create dude. Sega Sports "might" be making games for other systems but as it stands. Nba2k2,NLF2k2. Nba2k3, and nfl2k3 are only on the xbox ....nuff said. MAN....Thats about two years worth of work... SO other systems are not looking to get sega sports games for about two years???? hmmmmm...
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by bob:
PS2 is over it...its whether developers want to implement it or not...download Tekken Tag Tournament pics...do you see jaggies? yes....play the game, do you see jaggies? no...same with most games, and the games that do have bad jaggies (i.e. TimeSplitters) you never notice it...Jaggies really arent a big problem, and you know it...its just a failsafe for XBox and Gamecube fans to tease PS2 fans about
That aint the situation for devil may cry dude. Its been played at e3....the jags are still there EVEN when you play it they can be seen. This is not one of those "bad" pic posting situations....Im sure the game still rocks....be Im just saying there is no progress that has been made.
by bob:
uhuh, yes i will be awaiting MGSX...a whole year after its released on PS2...mmm that is a system seller for the PS2...not for the XBox. Ieve discussed about EA before in this thread
It might not take a year. And just because a game hits another system first does not mean that all other versions will not sell well because "it sshowed up on ps2" first. Lets not forget that MGSX will have "added features" and content. Add this with the 5.1 surround sound feature then there is no question to which will be the best version...its xbox.
And for the EA games....there are EA football games coming out with the launch of the xbox. Do you think this EA game is the same as the one that came out during the ps2 launch?? No its not...there is a lot of extra stuff thrown in...updated rosters....better graphics....ITS NOT THE SAME GAME.
yes, just as how Square, Namco and Enix are teaming up to ensure PS2 stays the number one console, as that is what they are throwing most of their eggs into
those other companies are insignifigant except square....and although they have not flat out and said they are developing for the xbox.....they DID say they are going multiconsole with the next FFXI. Put two and two together and you know they are developing for xbox.( its the only "other" console possibility)
1.) Nintendo president just said there aint no chance of them dealing with square.
2.)dreamcast will be dead by then
that only leaves xbox dude....
it sounds to me that square is more concerned about turning a profit than keeping ps2 on top. Cause if it were like you say....they would NEVER develope for xbox.
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
those other companies are insignifigant except square....
im only gonna reply to this...that is total BS dude...thats just plain dumb
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Other commitments have kept me from replying to this thread. The more enlightened may have wondered why I haven\'t done so already. Especially when they come to realise that this is a very public istance of ASSIMILATION!!! ;) Whell, let me do what must be done and say:
He/She has been ASSIMILATED!!!
Muahhaha, hahaha, typical evil laugh......
As a contribution to the current topic of arguement, I am asserting that neither Enix or Namco are Sony *****es. Though official support for my leanings is sparse, history\'s backing is abundant. One is hard pressed to state otherwise.....
Remember......
You Will Be ASSIMILATED
Resistance is FUTILE!
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
That aint the situation for devil may cry dude. Its been played at e3....the jags are still there EVEN when you play it they can be seen. This is not one of those "bad" pic posting situations....Im sure the game still rocks....be Im just saying there is no progress that has been made.
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Tell me,where are they ?
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Originally posted by macabre
Tell me,where are they ?
Blow them up to full television size and we\'ll point em out to you. :p
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"i think it would be hard for Sega to dethrown EA...EA are too huge, they gross the most income, and they are also the biggest...owning companies from Bullfrog, to Westwood...they are too huge, and their sports titles are too wide spread to be upset. "[/b]
I can assure you it would be quite easy for Sega to obliterate EA in sales. Last year, despite staying exclusive to the Dreamcast, they managed to place 5th in sales. The userbase couldn\'t be any more than 10 million. Now imagine them having the freedom to cater to GC, GBA, Xbox, and PS2.
So what if they own Bullfrog and Westwood, etc....Sega\'s in house still make these guys look like garage bums.
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Originally posted by macabre
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Tell me,where are they ?
Are you blind? Granted there are fewer jaggies than others, but they\'re still there.
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I just have to correct a few things.
1.) Nintendo president just said there aint no chance of them dealing with square.
Just said? He said that a long time ago. He is also retiring, which means Square will probably try to come back to Nintendo when he leaves.
well thats true...EA is the #1 game developer in the world....
Actually, they\'re not. They made around 500 million last year in revenue, another company made twice as more as them. I\'m 100% sure about this.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Are you blind? Granted there are fewer jaggies than others, but they\'re still there.
Ok, there are some little ones when you look close (the edge of the sword and clothing) - but that`s not what I call jaggies.
For me jaggies are that big horizontal steps like in MGS2.
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Originally posted by macabre
Ok, there are some little ones when you look close (the edge of the sword and clothing) - but that`s not what I call jaggies.
For me jaggies are that big horizontal steps like in MGS2.
A jaggie, is a jaggie, is a jaggie.
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Ok I know I don\'t say much around here anymore and you could probably care less about what I say but listen and listen good and maybe you will understand the way I feel about things.
Most of us from the time PS2 was announced to shortly before it was released had big plans for this system, but did we see a shortage comming? No. Did we expect a lot of the AAA games to be held back for a year? No. Ok, so a lit of us are disapointed and it doesn\'t feel good. I\'ll say on average, between the system, games, controllers, we\'ve all spent at least $500 on this system. What I am trying to say is, you may want the X-Box now, but when it has a shortage and all the good games don\'t come out for a year you won\'t just feel disapointed, you\'ll feel like a fool. I\'m not saying don\'t buy it, I\'m saying don\'t rush for it at launch, I wish I had waited to before I went out and got my PS2 at launch becuase I\'d have the same $500 I spent on PS2 to spend on Gamecube or X-Box. I didn\'t but you know what, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and as bad as things look now, we are a mere two days away from GT3, and the summer doesn\'t look too shabby. My advice, play with your PS2, wait around if things look promising for a Gamecube or X-box get one. I\'ve already stashed away money, but I won\'t buy my system til December, and I\'m going to buy the system that will have the best value.
It was quite a read, but hear me out, I speak from the heart and I mean what I say. It\'s obvious that I don\'t post a great amount here anymore, but I don\'t have the time to deal with people\'s snide comments when I want to talk about wrestling in off topic. When you see my post now you can expect quality post, and you better believe "The One" will be here for the longrun because what kind of forums would this be without "The One" around?
Well, I hope to see many comments on my post, please tell me exactly how you feel about what I said.
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I agree with Mr. One, wait, be prudent, be happy. (Or happier than you would be if you weren\'t prudent.)
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
A jaggie, is a jaggie, is a jaggie.
Agreed, I can live with that
I just wanted to show that the game has not a big problem with jaggies, and still looks great.
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
That aint the situation for devil may cry dude. Its been played at e3....the jags are still there EVEN when you play it they can be seen. This is not one of those "bad" pic posting situations....Im sure the game still rocks....be Im just saying there is no progress that has been made.
OK, remember how Onimusha looked in pics? When Capcom was planning to release it they cleaned it up and I have NEVER seen a jaggie in Onimusha. I think they will do the same with DMC. It just makes more sense.
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
I guess you nieve enough to think that they only people who have played dreamcast games are only the people who bought them?:rolleyes: peole go to their friends house and play them...and people play the in stores like best buy. Now if each dreamcast owner had a friend over to play it.....then now wever talking about 40 million people play it right? if each dreamcast owner had more than one person come over and play it ....then you see how that number grows exponentially.
That is assuming that everyone who owns a Dreamcast owns one of those sports games, which is far from the truth. A lot of people hate sports games.
thats pretty funny. Cause you still dont know if they are going to be good are not. Ps2 released a LOT of games this year that were "specualted" to being GREAT....but when they hit....they were not so great. It\'s been happening a LOT lately...and just because now ps2 is getting a few games that actually lived up to there hype....they NOT proven themselves to have broken out of that pattern just yet.
And we also don\'t know if the Xbox launch games will be any good. I would rather buy some possibly good games for my PS2 this fall than buy an Xbox for $300 and buy some possibly good games for it. And MGS2 is garanteed to be great. If you argue with this, then you obviously haven\'t played the demo.
thats funny?? I see you know nothing about programing if you think that. Programers are always finding ways to get more out of the hardware...that situation is NOT EXCLUSIVE to the ps2. You are talking about the most advanced gpu in the world....and you think that technology will be mastered from day one? LOL:D Sure they have some familar tools in direct x to work with ...but the new direct x has all kinds of nice trucks that iut can do that programers have yet to discover.....go read up on it before you make a comment like that. Its an insult to every programer out there.
What I said was just my oppinion, like I stated. You say, "Programmers are always finding ways to get more out of the hardware." Well that didn\'t happen with the Dreamcast. I think the Xbox is going to be the same.
Should I meantion Devil May Cry again?? Jag heaven man...whats up with that??
That Jaggies argument is getting so old. It is rare when you even notice jaggies in games while you\'re playing, and jaggies haven\'t really been a problem in PS2 games since the PS2\'s launch. Have you played DMC? Have you seen it in person? You are judging it by some pictures that you have seen.
There were to many things sony was competing with when they entered this indusrty dude....but they prevailed didn\'t they.
Not true. The only thing they were competing with is the Saturn, and people were afraid of buying the Saturn because of Sega\'s past systems. The Xbox has to compete with a PS2 and it\'s 10 million userbase, and the NGC which costs $100 less! It is way different this time around.
and lets see....broadband and hard drive are FREE with xbox....(both are needed to play FFXI) and in order to play this game on ps2 I have to BUY BOTH a hard drive and a modem....a total price of 190 dollars. Which is MORE stupid!!! if according to you only 1/10 of all xbox owners are going to be able to play FFXI...
then like only 1/50 of all ps2 owners are going to be able to play this game cause people aint going to shell out 190 dollars PLUS 50.00 for the game just to get their Final fantasy on. Who the hell is going to pay 240.00 to play one game??? LOL.....and you say XBox is stupid....LOL LOL LOL LOL OMG....LOL!!:D
FFXI is not the only online game Sony will have. TMBonline and Tony Hawk 3 online are coming out this fall.
To tell you the truth, I doubt Square makes another online game on this generation of systems. I\'m not saying that FFXI will bomb, but it won\'t be nearly as successful as the non-online ones.
Oh, and I didn\'t call "Xbox" stupid, I said Microsoft made a stupid mistake. There is a huge difference.
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AHAHAAHAHAH, all those that don\'t follow the ways of the ECKSBOCKS will be sacrificed by Master M4, and I. HAHAHAHAHAHAH, the revolution will commence!!!
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Hey, this tribal sacrificial bull**** is inapropriate. Everyone knows that the association with the Borg and its "assimilating" practices is the way to go. The Xbox is simply too cybernetic to be associated with something as organic as religeous insurgency.
Anyhoooo.. I wish to make a sweeping statement that would encapsulate all that is to be argued in this debate:
"The Future of ConsoleGaming is OnLine, no other console is better equiped for this than the Xbox"
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-You will be ASSIMILATED!!
-Resistance is FUTILE!!!
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Who said that?
I personally think that online will be the future of gaming. But I also think that it\'s a little too early to be that sure about it.
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*sigh... the words of the blind and ignorant... oh why must they walk in my wake? To all who would speak Troglodyte\'s words, smell the cofee and consider Vivi\'s point of view.
*shakes head
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Originally posted by Avatarr
*sigh... the words of the blind and ignorant... oh why must they walk in my wake? To all who would speak Troglodyte\'s words, smell the cofee and consider Vivi\'s point of view.
*shakes head
Pft! Wow, you\'re so helpful. In fact, I\'m having a cup of Folgers right now. All I wanted to know it who said that quotation. Geeze, it\'s not like I asked you for a piece of your left pinky cuticle.
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Don\'t listen to Avatarr, he\'s simply a pathetic moron. :) According to him, if you do not think Xbox is the future of gaming then you are a blind, ignorant fanboy.
" *sigh... the words of the blind and ignorant... oh why must they walk in my wake? To all who would speak Troglodyte\'s words, smell the cofee and consider Vivi\'s point of view.
*shakes head"
LOL. Instead of proving anything, he insults you. Now where\'s the logic in that?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Don\'t listen to Avatarr, he\'s simply a pathetic moron. :) According to him, if you do not think Xbox is the future of gaming then you are a blind, ignorant fanboy.
" *sigh... the words of the blind and ignorant... oh why must they walk in my wake? To all who would speak Troglodyte\'s words, smell the cofee and consider Vivi\'s point of view.
*shakes head"
LOL. Instead of proving anything, he insults you. Now where\'s the logic in that?
Can you really blame someone that\'s been taken into the Collective (assimilated into the Borg/MS)? I take pity on him. I do think that xbox is going to bring out some impressive stuff, but I myself am going to fight assimilation. As I had learned from a Star Trek, the Next Generation episode, one of the Borg was separated from the rest of the Borg, and learned that "resistance is not futile. Geordie named him Hugh.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Can you really blame someone that\'s been taken into the Collective (assimilated into the Borg/MS)? I take pity on him. I do think that xbox is going to bring out some impressive stuff, but I myself am going to fight assimilation. As I had learned from a Star Trek, the Next Generation episode, one of the Borg was separated from the rest of the Borg, and learned that "resistance is not futile. Geordie named him Hugh.
Why do you say these things? My heart weeps! :D
Seriously, this whole borg analogy is pretty stupid, as MS isn\'t doing anything worse than Sony or Nintendo has tried. Sega, now they\'re perfect.... ;)
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Originally posted by Krimson
Why do you say these things? My heart weeps! :D
Seriously, this whole borg analogy is pretty stupid, as MS isn\'t doing anything worse than Sony or Nintendo has tried. Sega, now they\'re perfect.... ;)
I didn\'t mean to upset anyone, just a little "reverse-psychology." :D
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Jesus christ. Someone close this thread. I haven\'t seen one like this in months.
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Insolent mortals! Dare you cross the eternal power of Avatarr?!?! I smite thy blasphemous words, you corrupted infidels!! *SMITE!!!! * Burin in the consuming embers of HELL!!!!!!
Anyhooo.....
The Borg analogy came about because of Microsoft\'s.... corporate aquisitions expressly executed to compliment this thing they call the Xbox. It is not because Microsoft has blatantly engaged in an enterprise (no pun intended, honest!) to confiscate our individuality and assimilate us into a state of collective efficiency. A deep and insightful outlook on the matter would conclude the opposite.
Jumpman, Tortoldyle, I implore you to rid yourselves of undue inclinations and consider Vivi\'s point of view. If anything, his/her attitude will inequivocally put her/him in a better position in terms of the value he/she has gained from the money he/she has spent. (can Vivi please specify if he/she is a he or she; this "he/she" thing is getting out of hand.)
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Anyhooo.....
The Borg analogy came about because of Microsoft\'s.... corporate aquisitions expressly executed to compliment this thing they call the Xbox. It is not because Microsoft has blatantly engaged in an enterprise (no pun intended, honest!) to confiscate our individuality and assimilate us into a state of collective efficiency. A deep and insightful outlook on the matter would conclude the opposite.
Jumpman, Tortoldyle, I implore you to rid yourselves of undue inclinations and consider Vivi\'s point of view. If anything, his/her attitude will inequivocally put her in a better position in terms of the value he/she has gained from the money he/she has spent. (can Vivi please specify if he/she is a he or she; this "he/she" thing is getting out of hand.)
Dang, I was begining to like you then you shoot me down. Agck! I have considered his point of view, and here is mine:
My last system was a SEGA. I never had a PS. So, I bought the system that had the largest selection of games that I want to play. I\'m still buying two-year old PSX games! I don\'t have the money to buy an xbox. But by the time online gaming through consoles becomes more popular, I am hoping that I will be able to use my PS2, and afford a hopefully price-dropped HDD and modem to so this with. In the end it will be cheaper than buying an xbox. . . for me. Plus, I don\'t see online console gaming really start to pump up until 1st quarte, 2002. By then I\'ll have the money to invest.
And then, by 2004/5, who knows? I might be getting an xbox2 or something! But for me (I\'m not much of a pioneer) the PS2 is the best solution.
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Whell, you can always sell the darned thing. They\'ll only be fetching good prices until the competition arrives. Betta be quick about it then! As fer me, I\'m getting me one (a ps2) fer christmas, cuz my nanna is the best nanna in the world! My Xbox will arrive through .... various connections.
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Jumpman, Tortoldyle, I implore you to rid yourselves of undue inclinations and consider Vivi\'s point of view. If anything, his/her attitude will inequivocally put her in a better position in terms of the value he/she has gained from the money he/she has spent. (can Vivi please specify if he/she is a he or she; this "he/she" thing is getting out of hand.)
He\'s my point of view- go **** yourself. I\'ll do what I want to do, and you can keep believing Xbox will be a revolionary console.
My choice is the GameCube because I simply love Nintendo\'s first and second party games to death. If I ever get another console, which depends on how well GameCube\'s software will be, then I\'ll make that choice later, not now. But I\'ll most likely trick my parents into getting PS2 by saying we need a DVD player. Xbox\'s titles simply don\'t interest me like NGC and PS2 titles. BUt if they somehow turn out to be better than PS2 games, then I\'ll get an Xbox instead.
Don\'t like my decision? Tough. And please don\'t start wiht the " more words from a ignorant and blind fanboy" argument again; it\'s old. :)
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Can you really blame someone that\'s been taken into the Collective (assimilated into the Borg/MS)? I take pity on him. I do think that xbox is going to bring out some impressive stuff, but I myself am going to fight assimilation. As I had learned from a Star Trek, the Next Generation episode, one of the Borg was separated from the rest of the Borg, and learned that "resistance is not futile. Geordie named him Hugh.
I know, the XBOX is going to burn my house down and I will think its ok since Im assimilated. :rolleyes:
Do you know how fanboyish you sound? Whats wrong with buying an XBOX? The only thing it will do for you is play things on discs. Its not gonna take my soul either.
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Quite franky Jumpan, I haven\'t the slightest spec of care as to your descision. I am merely trying to shed some light of enlightened thought onto the general stage to combat the shadow of bafoonery you and your ilk religeously bring.
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Quite franky Jumpan, I haven\'t the slightest spec of care as to your descision. I am merely trying to shed some light of enlightened thought onto the general stage to combat the shadow of bafoonery you and your ilk religeously bring.
I\'m not bringing anything into this general stage, I\'m just stating my opinion, the people know that it is MY opinion. You appear to be taking it in a offensive way somehow. In fact, I encourage you to not listen to my opinion so I won\'t have to bother arguing with you. :)
That\'s funny what you said about "bafoonery", because my opinion can\'t be smart or dumb as long as I explain it thoroughly. Again, I\'m not bringing anything to the stage contrary to what you may think.
Also, quit trying to sound smart. Bafoonery and religeously are not words, Einstein.
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The epitomé of contradiction, (among numerous other things --> ) Jumpan asserts neutrality as his mouth fires yet another volley of venomus poison.
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Originally posted by Avatarr
The epitomé of contradiction, (among numerous other things --> ) Jumpan asserts neutrality as his mouth fires yet another volley of venomus poison.
LOL. Instead of debating me, you insult me in your own nerdish manner. Boring.
And please don\'t take me as a fool, I got 90\'s in all my subjects, using big words against me thinking I won\'t understand them simply won\'t work.
calling me the epitome of contradiction= calling me the representative for people who are in denial. cha-ching!
*deserves props for realizes this at 7:51 in the morning*
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Jeez, what a big load of stinking mental poop. You guys should really get out more often. Awy, I\'m sure there\'ll be some nice sex games on Xbox so you can entertain yourself on those lonely nights in lala land.
Consider this thread closed.