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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: IronFist on July 05, 2001, 12:01:59 AM
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I am sure all of us want to look into the future to see how well each console turns out. That way, you won\'t have to take the risk of buying, or staying with a console that will not succeed. In this thread, tell your oppinion of which console/consoles will come out victorious in the end and why. Remember, this is between the PS2, Xbox, and NGC. The Dreamcast is not included in this.
I will first try to list the facts: Feel free to add any facts you want.
NGC:
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Pros:
-Has franchises that are known very well throughout the world.
-Has great first party support.
-Has great texturing cababilities.
-Being released 3 days before the Xbox in America.
-Being release 6 months before the Xbox in Japan.
-Has some new and original games.
Cons:
-Has that kiddie label, which is scaring off the more adult game developers.
-No plans of going online as of right now. They are taking the wait-and-see approach to online gaming.
-Has reletively poor third party support.
My oppinion:
When I see the NGC, I think, "Yawn, more of the same." The graphics don\'t excite me like a new console should. I don\'t like the cartoony graphics that are in a lot of games on it. I don\'t mind playing a few cartoony games, but the NGC has way too many.
The NGC will probably be very successful anyways. Nintendo\'s hold on the younger audience will pull them through once again. Their well known franchises will also help them be successful. I don\'t think anything can stop the NGC from being successful this fall. They are probably just going to forget about the online thing and just have a fun party machine. It will be like the N64 with good graphics.
The NGC being released 3 days before the Xbox will hurt the Xbox significantly. I think at E3 they just said, "when ever the Xbox is being released, lets have our launch date 3 days earlier." It was a very smart move by Nintendo.
I don\'t think they will be able to shake their kiddie name this generation, but I don\'t think it will hurt them enough to matter.
Xbox:
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Pros:
-Reletively easy to program for.
-Well known architecture will give great results fast.
-Arguably the most powerful console of the three.
-Huge advertising campaign.
-Comes with a harddrive and Broadband adapter.
-Most of its games are new and original.
-Has a lot of first and third party support.
Cons:
-Being released 3 days after the NGC in America.
-Being released 6 months after the NGC in Japan.
-Won\'t have any online games until Spring 2002.
-Does not support 56kers.
-Does not have any big name franchises that it is known for like the PS2 and NGC have because the Xbox is bran new.
-Microsoft is not doing too well trying to win over the Japanese audience.
My oppinion:
The Xbox is a very powerful console with a lot of support from the developers. But is that enough? With it being launched after the NGC, and with the PS2 having so many games come out around the launch, a lot of its potential buyers will have already bought one of the other consoles.
The 56k only thing is also going to hurt them. This is the one mistake that I think they should change before they launch the system. This limits the online part of the Xbox to about half of its buyers.
They need to get support from the Japanese in order to be able to compete.
PS2:
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Pros:
-First console to have online games.
-Has lots of third party support.
-Has lots of exclusives.
-Has a lot of familiar franchises.
-Releasing a lot of it\'s best games right before the NGC and Xbox launches to try and steal some thunder.
-Has a 10 million userbase.
-Is a very powerful console (see below for the other side of the story)
Cons:
-Reletively hard to program because of its new and complicated architecture.
-Very expensive. The PS2 with all of its addons cost way too much for the average gamer.
-Arguably the weakest console
-Has been selling very slow lately.
My oppinion: The PS2 has a great chance of surviving this fall. Them launching 3 or 4 awesome titles right before the launch of the other two systems will steal a little thunder, but probably not enough. The PS2 will probably have a 15 million user base by then, which will keep them alive during the Xbox and NGC launch frenzie. Once things slow down a little bit on the other two consoles, the PS2 sales will pick up again.
Developers will get past the "hard to develope for" problem and create some brilliant games. The Hard Drive will fail, but the Modem and online play will be successful.
OverView:
The PS2 will hold on and maintain their lead, the NGC will come out with a bang and get close to where Sony is, and the Xbox will be the console who is playing catch up. It will struggle at first, then start to gain some ground later on when the online play comes.
Long term predictions:
PS2 is the winner.
NGC with 4/5 the sales that the PS2 has.
Xbox with 1/3 the sales that the PS2 has.
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I have a few responses that are actually very good ones you take it how you want to:
1.) why do you think the 3 day Game Cube earlier release date is such a big deal?? you say that consumers will have ALREADY bought the console of their choice in a three day time inteval??? a 100 million consumer market is going to by all there consoles with in those THREE days??? 90 million sold??? unlikely
This is a four year race...you talk like its going to be over in three days. When in fact....most of the consoles bought THIS year will be bought during christmas, and And all the consoles will be out then.
And also....dont you think some people will be willing to wait THREE days for another console??? a lot of people waited a ENTIRE YEAR to get the ps2 over the dreamcast. Do you think three days is REALLY going to be a long wait?
2.)You say: xbox is very poweful and has a lot of developer support....but will it be enough? why wouldnt it be? It was enough for the psx right?
3.)I think you should include the xbox\'s extensive GOOD launch library as a key element. It has a clear advantage over the GC when it come to variety and abundance launch titles. They are some good GC games....but not a large quantity will out...and of the ones being released....(see the launch titles list that was JUST released) are they enough games to hold gamers attention?? I dont think pikmin can do it.
4.)Slight correction as well...Online is said to be ready in EARLY spring 2002 (NOT SUMMER) with the release of Unreal championchip. And you list this as a con for xbox....but no console will have online content at that time. So it should be a con for all consoles if its a con at all.
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Con-Does not have any big name franchises that it is known for like the PS2 and NGC have because the Xbox is bran new.
How is that a con? That is standard for any new system. Just because it is new does not mean it will not have good games. I mean don\'t you want brand new awesome games in a new console?
And second. How can you say that seeing how tecmo put a best selling fighter exclusively on xbox DOA3. And seeing how it games like MgsX, Panzier Dragon, Silent HillX, Dino Crisis3,JSRF, and a load of other great games like Halo, Project EGo. Yes they are new games, but they are getting lots of attention from the media, and being called the next Killer apps.
Third you list no 56k being bad for XBOX when sony is doing the same thing. Everyone knows 56k sucks for playing games and is not even worth supporting.
Fourth how can three days kill a console? I mean 3 days deciding a war. Microsoft is a household name. Everyone knows who microsoft is. They have a reputation of dominance and power. I hear ppl all the time talking about the xbox. They don\'t that much about it because they know about ING and forums and stuff like that. But they always say the Xbox is going to be great because it is from microsoft and whatever they get into and do it better. I think when it comes to microsoft the general public expect dominance out of them.
5th XbOX needs more japanese support. From who enix and square? Everyother major game maker is making games for it. And Enix sucks and square is making FFXI for xbox so anything could happen from their. I mean we never thought we would see any FF on Xbox.
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Each console has what it takes to compete this fall, but to what degree is unknown.
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Nintendo has gurantee\'d sales, because of the franchises. They know what to expect when they release the console and buyers know what to expect. Classic Nintendo franchises, and not so many third party titles. Is this a problem for Nintendo? No, not really. Nintendo has always had a tight grip on their target auidence and they will maintain it.
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Microsoft will have the hardest time this fall. The launch three days after Nintendo, could in theory hurt sales. It depends on the launch list for Xbox and who has the biggest ad campaign. Second and I don\'t know if this is everywhere or a closed case, but where I live, I cannot pre-order an Xbox. I\'ve asked everywhere and they all tell me they are not taking pre-orders. These stores include K\'B\'Toys, EB, Funco, Babbages. Yet, I can pre-order a GC? I\'m curious as to if anyone else has had this problem. Because, if it is not a closed case situation, this could hurt MS alot. I live in Kentucky, for the record.
People are saying the Xbox could be the next Psone because its always possible for a new company to come in and dominate like Sony did. True. But, one thing you also have to look at is the situation durin\' the 32 / 64 bit era. Every company had made numerous bad buisness choices, so Sony had it easy.
- Nintendo had decided to keep the cartridge format and constantly delayed the Project Reality / Ultra 64 / Nintendo 64.
- Sega had the complicated Saturn design that suprised launched with a price tag of $400. Launch titles lacked any flare and people was already upset due to the 32x / Sega cd fiasco.
- Atari\'s Jaguar had nothing market wise. It wasn\'t even really considered. Even though, it did have some good games (Tempest2000)
- 3DO was way to expensive, lacked any killer titles.
So, you can see why it was so easy for Sony to come in and dominate with the PSone. MS doesn\'t have quite as many advantages, but they do have one big one. The hardrive. Sony is releasing the hardrive has an add-on , which never works. If MS really wants to win, they should target the add-on\'s price tag, and then make it noted that they include the HD for the price of $300. The HD could easily be Sony\'s achiles heel (sp?). Proper marketing could do quite a bit of damage to Sony .
Another potenial problem MS faces is the lack of franchises. The mainstream people, may look at the system and not see anything they remember from another system and turn away. But, if MS forces the quality over quanity mentality, then I don\'t think this will be as much a problem. And in the end, a new system with new titles means we can expect new franchises and that is always a good thing for us gamers.
Also, you can see that MS is trying to combat this problem early in the game with games such as DOA3, Silent Hill X, Dino Crisis 3, Panzer Dragoon,etc. They are tryin\' to get names people know. It is a smart move on MS\'s part.
Ease of development also gurantee\'s titles faster. So, this is a good point for MS.
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Now , for Sony.. Sony has the best chance for this year alone, due to every other system playing catch up and the "killer" games coming out for it finally. Titles like Gran Turismo 3, Twisted Metal Black, Silent Hill X and Metal Gear Solid 2 will and can sell truckloads of copies.
But on the flip side of the coin, we have the HD. Sony expects people to pay $150 for this add-on, after they already paid $300 for the system. It has never happened and I seriously doubt Sony will be the first to pull it off. If the add-on fails, it will no doubt tarnish Sony\'s reputation and fall buisness reports. But the question is, on the longterm how bad will the add-on hurt them, reputation wise?
Complicated development has plagued the PS2 like it did the Saturn, but I think we see developers getting a grip of deveoping the PS2 finally. Still, we can probably expect development time to be longer, then for the other two systems.
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You\'ll notice I didn\'t mention online gaming, this is because I don\'t see it taking off this generation. Sony nor MS are including 56k connections and alot of areas still do not have broadband connections. If online gaming does take off this generation, I think we will see MS has the one pushing it foward due to the ethernet adapter coming with the XBox. But, in general, I just do not see it taking off until next generation.
In the end, each company can compete and will compete this fall. No doubt each company will make plenty of money and we gamers will enjoy two new consoles and plenty of new games for all three systems.
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NGC:
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Pros:
1) Good franchise of Titles/characters etc..
2) Kids love Nintendo, so do old time gamers like me :D
3) Straight forward "Gaming" console, not a toaster/or next All-in-One-Console wonder. Keeps price down.
Cons:
1) People associtate Nintendo with little kids
2) Nintendo could end up targeting only 8 year old kids.
3) Titles will all be about cute little fuzzy animal critters. :D
Comments:
I will buy it, cause i like some titles and old time characters. Grew up on this stuff, so i care not for the "Kiddie" label, could care less, it\'s about playing the games you enjoy, instead of image. :D
Xbox:
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Pros:
1) nVidia graphics, the specs looks great. :D
2) Microsoft, and its deep pockets full of money.
3) Eventually the Xbox or it\'s big brother down the road called XBox 2 or 3 will get everything right, and peple will love it :D
Cons:
1) Microsoft - People might be pissed at them for business practices
2) Early quality of games/OS/Hardware might be not the greatest.
3) MS is not what i picture as a console players, but then again, neither was SONY. :D
4) Too much hype could hurt the XBox if it can\'t make games look way better then PS2 or GC games. :D
Comments:
Just like Internet Explorer, it came out, was sh!t, but was improved to the point of being good :D The same could happen here, i don\'t hold my breath the Xbox will be the most successful console of all time this time around, but given time, and Microsofts deep pockets, it is a sure bet it will probably grab a big chunck.
PS2:
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Pros:
1) Titles: GT3/MGS/FF/Tekken/VF/etc...
2) It is the "BIG" player for now...
3) Raw polygon crunching power :D
Cons:
1) Limited textures limit this console.
2) Hardware failures? :D
Comments:
IMO, I think the PS2 will remain the biggest player for at least this round of Console Wars, after this though, i\'m not sure, time will tell. :D
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Soul_Reaver:
why do you think the 3 day Game Cube earlier release date is such a big deal??
I still think that the 3 days thing will hurt the Xbox. Remember, it is just my oppinion. If there were two consoles, both having games that you wanted, and one came out a little sooner, which would you choose. I know the hardcore Xbox supporters would wait the extra 3 days, but the people who are not quite sure will probably pick up the first one released.
You say: xbox is very poweful and has a lot of developer support....but will it be enough? why wouldnt it be? It was enough for the psx right?
Consoles need more than developers, they need consumers. If not enough people buy an Xbox, it will fail. That is what I meant by that.
I think you should include the xbox\'s extensive GOOD launch library as a key element. It has a clear advantage over the GC when it come to variety and abundance launch titles. They are some good GC games....but not a large quantity will out...and of the ones being released....(see the launch titles list that was JUST released) are they enough games to hold gamers attention?? I dont think pikmin can do it.
Go ahead and list the Xbox launch titles. It is all a matter of personal tastes though. Some people hate what Nintendo has to offer, some people love it. If I was going to get either of the consoles, I would get an Xbox for DOA3. But right now DOA3 is not enough to persuade me to buy one.
4.)Slight correction as well...Online is said to be ready in EARLY spring 2002 (NOT SUMMER) with the release of Unreal championchip. And you list this as a con for xbox....but no console will have online content at that time. So it should be a con for all consoles if its a con at all.
Well now we have both made a mistake. My mistake is not knowing that the Xbox will be online in the spring (I\'ll go fix that now), your mistake is not knowing that the PS2 will be online this fall. Twisted Metal Black online and Tony Hawk 3 online are the games I\'m looking forward to that will be out this fall.
XBOX:
Con-Does not have any big name franchises that it is known for like the PS2 and NGC have because the Xbox is bran new.
How is that a con? That is standard for any new system. Just because it is new does not mean it will not have good games. I mean don\'t you want brand new awesome games in a new console?
The general gaming audience doesn\'t know anything about console specs or developer support, they only know about things from the past. They might think, "I know what the NGC will have on its console because I know what they had on previous consoles, but I\'m not sure what the Xbox will have." They would probably go with a sure thing instead of risking buying something they don\'t like. Hopefully the huge Xbox campaign will make this not an issue.
And second. How can you say that seeing how tecmo put a best selling fighter exclusively on xbox DOA3. And seeing how it games like MgsX, Panzier Dragon, Silent HillX, Dino Crisis3,JSRF, and a load of other great games like Halo, Project EGo. Yes they are new games, but they are getting lots of attention from the media, and being called the next Killer apps.
Those are not all launch titles. I never said that the Xbox wouldn\'t have any good games. I said the launch games would not be good enough for me to get an Xbox then.
Third you list no 56k being bad for XBOX when sony is doing the same thing. Everyone knows 56k sucks for playing games and is not even worth supporting.
Sony is not doing the same thing. They support both 56k and broadband.
5th XbOX needs more japanese support. From who enix and square? Everyother major game maker is making games for it. And Enix sucks and square is making FFXI for xbox so anything could happen from their. I mean we never thought we would see any FF on Xbox.
Sorry I didn\'t make that more clear. I said that they have support from the developers. They don\'t have support from the gaming audience in Japan. Right now, the Japanese can\'t take the Xbox seriously. Every time Bill Gates tries to convince the Japanese to buy an Xbox, they hate it even more.
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I always love to see a civilized conversation, I already have a PS2 and depending on how much money I have and what looks good at launch I may get another console, but for now Im happy with my PS2
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I\'d just like to remind people that Nintendo itself will produce mostly kiddie games. but not the 3rd parties. Many developers have taken an interest in the GC (ie. Square, Enix, Namco, etc.). For the casual gamer, the GC is not a kiddie console because most only need one good game every month and that should definitely not be a problem for the GC. I don\'t know how many people are gonna listen, but I tried.
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I just want to point out that there is a 56k add-on for the Xbox in the making.
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Originally posted by Nu Gundam
I just want to point out that there is a 56k add-on for the Xbox in the making.
Really? If that is true, that is very good for the Xbox. I\'ll go look for info on this. Go ahead an give us a link Nu Gundam and save me some time. :)
EDIT: Uh oh, someone didn\'t do their research. The 56k modem add-on plan has been scrapped.
http://www.msxbox.com/php/full_post.php3?id=515
Early on, Microsoft thought about releasing a 56k modem add-on for the Xbox so those without broadband could play online games. But, somehow, we all pretty much knew that an add-on of that caliber would simply be a step backwards for the console. If the games are meant to be fast-paced, even through the internet, then playing on a 56k modem would defeat the purpose and cause headaches for developers.
According to EGM Mag, we\'ve learned that it has been quite some time now that Microsoft dropped the idea of releasing a 56K modem add-on for the Xbox. For those of you who are discouraged 56k users, know that you\'ll still be able to network Xboxes together to get a multiplayer experience that rivals broadband play. Of course, with the high-speed ports on the Xbox (for the controllers), Microsoft could come easily out with a 56k modem add-on at any time. For it to really be successful, however, game developers have to plan early to make their games work well with the lower bandwidth, or the unit would be useless.
Update: Microsoft could also change their strategy overseas specifically because broadband is not as prevelant as it is in the states (and doesn\'t seem to be growing anywhere near it is in the USA). However, such a move would not be an easy one, even though it would appeal to a large audience. Microsoft has repeatedly said that they feel broadband gaming is the future, and a slow, lagging experience with analog modems would only defeat that purpose. Here are some broadband stats taken from CATV Cyberlab to give you an idea of the potential growth:
-Approximately 10 percent of U.S. household are currently using some form of broadband Internet access service, with DSL and cable being the two most common forms.
-Worldwide, Cable modem use will grow from 5.7 million installed systems in 2000 to 27.6 million systems in 2005.
-Worldwide, Between 2000 and 2005, the installed base of DSL lines to increase from 2.4 million to 13.8 million.
Microsoft wants fast online play, and they are willing to sacrifice 9/10 potential Xbox onliners by not supporting 56k. I think this is going to hurt Microsoft more than they could imagine. Like Living-In-Clip said, I don\'t think this generation is the online generation. The world is not ready for it.
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yes, they allhave what it takes, next question...
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Originally posted by IronFist
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The general gaming audience doesn\'t know anything about console specs or developer support, they only know about things from the past. They might think, "I know what the NGC will have on its console because I know what they had on previous consoles, but I\'m not sure what the Xbox will have." They would probably go with a sure thing instead of risking buying something they don\'t like. Hopefully the huge Xbox campaign will make this not an issue.
You do not know how the gaming audience feels about new hardware. If that was the case playstation would have never made it. I had never seen an add for psx. The only time I seen it was in a game store. And I thought the game I saw for it looked great. That is what everyone who was in the store said. I mean everyone kept saying what is the name of that game but we did not know. So you can\'t make a statement like that. I hear ppl screaming about the XboX all the time and they don\'t even know any games on it. I ask them to name one game and they can\'t, but they tell me it is going to be a great system. I mean that is crazy. I mean if that is what the general public thought about all new hardware gaming would suck. I would have to say that is only your opinion and not actually how the public see\'s gaming.
Those are not all launch titles. I never said that the Xbox wouldn\'t have any good games. I said the launch games would not be good enough for me to get an Xbox then.[/B]
Ok can you see the future? How can you say that about xbox games. You don\'t know how good there are going to be. I mean PS2 launch games sucked, but that did not stop ppl from picking it over a dreamcast that had a library of great games. I mean unless you have actually played finished XBOX games how can you say the games at launch won\'t be good?
I still think that the 3 days thing will hurt the Xbox. Remember, it is just my oppinion. If there were two consoles, both having games that you wanted, and one came out a little sooner, which would you choose. I know the hardcore Xbox supporters would wait the extra 3 days, but the people who are not quite sure will probably pick up the first one released.
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First all you can\'t put a number on the amount of ppl excited about XboX or gamecube. I mean there are millions and millions of gamers. And you just don\'t know. So that is pure speculation. I mean you don\'t know exactly what ppl do. I mean you can\'t predict. I mean you just don\'t know and you can\'t say. I mean 3days is not the end of the world. And you don\'t know how ppl make their decision. It\'s just speculation. And you can\'t go on speculation as being a fact on how ppl will choose there console.
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Originally posted by XBOX
You do not know how the gaming audience feels about new hardware. If that was the case playstation would have never made it. I had never seen an add for psx. The only time I seen it was in a game store.
The PSX was in a different situation than the Xbox is. The only console it was competing against was the Saturn, and a lot of people were so mad at Sega for giving so much crap before that (Sega CD, 32X), it was a given that they were going to get a PSX instead.
And I don\'t think the PSX really took off until people saw how much it was dominating the other consoles. When the Saturn failed, and the N64 hype died down, the PSX was the only console to go to.
This time, the Xbox is going against two consoles with arguably great reputations. It is going to be way different then last generation.
Ok can you see the future? How can you say that about xbox games. You don\'t know how good there are going to be. I mean PS2 launch games sucked, but that did not stop ppl from picking it over a dreamcast that had a library of great games. I mean unless you have actually played finished XBOX games how can you say the games at launch won\'t be good?
I didn\'t say the Xbox launch games wouldn\'t be good, I said they "would not be good enough for me." One man\'s junkyard is another man\'s goldmine (or however that saying goes. :)) If you think they are good, then go ahead and buy an Xbox. I respect your decision. I am not going to be getting one on launch day, though, because I don\'t think its worth it yet.
First all you can\'t put a number on the amount of ppl excited about XboX or gamecube. I mean there are millions and millions of gamers. And you just don\'t know. So that is pure speculation. I mean you don\'t know exactly what ppl do. I mean you can\'t predict. I mean you just don\'t know and you can\'t say. I mean 3days is not the end of the world. And you don\'t know how ppl make their decision. It\'s just speculation. And you can\'t go on speculation as being a fact on how ppl will choose there console.
That was the most rambling and repetitiveness I have ever seen in a post. :) Ok, ok, I know what you mean! But I did say that all that was my oppinion, and I can speculate all I want as long as I am stating it as oppinion and not as fact. That\'s what this whole thread is for. Tell us how you think the consoles will do this fall.
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Originally posted by IronFist
One man\'s junkyard is another man\'s goldmine (or however that saying goes. :))
Usually it\'s "one man\'s junk is another man\'s treasure."
But I like your adaptation!
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About the 3 days... That won\'t hurt the XBox that bad. What matters is the Demo units they put out in the stores ahead of the launch. Those will determine what console people get. There are still many more games we don\'t know about for the NGC as of yet. But soon we will know. Hopefully FFXI comes to gamecube. It all depends on which console people get this Christmas, that is the critical point. Microsoft is bribing developers now. If they make an XBox game MS will pay for all the development costs. No strings attached. The Price on the GC will be the deciding factor for its success this fall. Some of the buyers will be like this:
"Awesome... Look at this console Frank, its called thie XBox. Look at the graphics on this thing. I bet it costs a pretty penny. Yep, $300 at launch, but it includes a DVD player. Its made by Microsoft. It will probably be like a PC with PC games but it looks good. Hmmm.. No titles I have ever heard of. Its a little risky though, considering it doesn\'t have a DVD player in it. What in the world is this? The Nintendo GameCube? Awe..... Look at those graphics.... they are the same as the Xbox, OR BETTER! And I know these games. Wave Race, Eternal Darkness I\'ve never heard of but all these games are probably fun. Whats this? Its only $200? I can get 2 games at launch for the price of the XBox. No DVD player though. But it still looks like a garenteed success over the Xbox"
(Note: If I acted like it was graphics that they looked at first, thats mainly what they do look at)
Thats what the uninformed, little knowing Gamer will think. With the cheaper price GC will rule the holiday year. PS2 will be on the defense trying to get some sales, and the XBox will be fighting for a position. After the holiday season though. Who knows what will happen. The PS2 will still be in first, with NGC catching on it, and the XBox could just plain flop after the first year. This is as far as I can go with my predictions. You can\'t predict the end. That $200 price will sell lots of consoles.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Thats [sic] what the uninformed, little knowing [sic] Gamer will think.
And it\'s these uninformed, little-knowing gamers that have all the money to spend.
Figures.
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They probably make up around 20% of the console community though.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
They probably make up around 20% of the console community though.
It\'s enough, it\'s definately enough.
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I can\'t believe I forgot about the NGC\'s $200 price tag. That will be a huge factor this fall. Not only is the NGC being released 3 days earlier, it will have a cheaper price and more familiar games on it. The Xbox is going to have a very hard time competing for the casual gamers\' money. (By casual, I mean not hardcore.)
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Originally posted by IronFist
I can\'t believe I forgot about the NGC\'s $200 price tag. That will be a huge factor this fall. Not only is the NGC being released 3 days earlier, it will have a cheaper price and more familiar games on it. The Xbox is going to have a very hard time competing for the casual gamers\' money. (By casual, I mean not hardcore.)
Well that is your opinion. Since we don\'t know how many ppl want a gamecube right now. Or how many want an xbox. I mean ppl are picky and they change their mind very quickly. For all we know gamecube could not even sell this generation. I mean who is too say what will happen. Ps2 could sales could drop off and xbox and gamecube could totally dominate the market.
I mean there are endless possibilities when your speculating on something.
Originally posted bye IronFistI didn\'t say the Xbox launch games wouldn\'t be good, I said they "would not be good enough for me." One man\'s junkyard is another man\'s goldmine (or however that saying goes. ) If you think they are good, then go ahead and buy an Xbox. I respect your decision. I am not going to be getting one on launch day, though, because I don\'t think its worth it yet.
I respect your dicision on not getting an XboX because you have the right too. But what I don\'t understand is you say the xbox games at launch won\'t be good enough for you. But ps2 launch games where crap. The ps2 launch games where rushed and lacking gameplay. I just don\'t see how ps2 launch live up to your expectation and caused you to purchase one. Second umm how can something unseen not live up to your expectation? I just don\'t see how games you have not even played don\'t measure up to you. I mean that is called speculation.
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The XBox will do pretty good when it comes out. It might not be number one right away or if ever, but one thing that Microsoft has that Sony doesn\'t is money. It can advertise this system like no one else could and attract more developers than Gamecube or Playstation 2. I fully expect XBox to be a very big competitor this November.
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The best purchase this year will definitely be the PS2. No questions asked!
Hits like Jax and Dexter, FFX, MGS2, Silent Hill 2, Xenosaga, Wild arms 3, Legend of Lagaia, Soul Reaver 2, Jade Cocoon 2, GT3, Klonoa 2 will be the driving force of the system for this year and probably the year after that. World domination is guaranteed for a brief moment.
Down the line foretells a different story.
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GameCube will be a darkhorse and will only sell to a niche crowd. It will be very similar to the DC, but it will definitely last a lot longer considering the "kiddie" market is a stronger drive than a "Sega fan" market.
Like the DC, the GC will have the best games out of the three consoles.
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Xbox will be the runaway console leader down the line. With the support, ease of developement, and advertising dollars, Microsoft will be the industry leader without question. This will take place 2-3 years from now.
Outcome of this generation:
1. Xbox
2. PS2
3. GC
*Passing on the magic ball to the next recipient*
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Originally posted by XBOX
Well that is your opinion. Since we don\'t know how many ppl want a gamecube right now. Or how many want an xbox. I mean ppl are picky and they change their mind very quickly. For all we know gamecube could not even sell this generation. I mean who is too say what will happen. Ps2 could sales could drop off and xbox and gamecube could totally dominate the market.
I mean there are endless possibilities when your speculating on something.
Speculation like what you said: "GameCube could not even sell this generation" I could go on about that. The younger generation will definitly try and get it and then the people who love Nintendos games will buy it. Even if it has no 3rd part support, people will buy it just for the 1st and 2nd party software. The XBox though... Its new.. Game will most likely have patches on it... they will change the gamming community, but they will probably try and shape it like the PC industry. I just say that the PS2 won\'t really sale that much better than it is right now at christmas because of the cube and XBox comming out, and those sales will go way high for either both the XBox and GC, or just the GC. It will take a lot of MS advertising to be successful at launch. But they can just buy success. They are paying developer costs for software 100% no strings attached. MS has too much money. My Cousin used to work for microsoft. He retired in 95 because Microsoft was becomming an ass and he had several million dollars so he left. Note: The Calculator on windows was made by him when he was 18 for microsoft. If you have windows 95 and click on help, about calculator. It puts his name up on there. The only reason he got credit was because he was not an empolyee for MS at the time. Also all the drag and drop, cut and paste, he did all that. Belive if you want or don\'t belive me I don\'t care, but its true.
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The XBox will do pretty good when it comes out. It might not be number one right away or if ever, but one thing that Microsoft has that Sony doesn\'t is money.
Um...I take it you don\'t know who Sony is. Money isn\'t a factor for both of them since they both can spend a ridiculous amount and stil not care. Money has never been a problem for Sony.
It can advertise this system like no one else could and attract more developers than Gamecube or Playstation 2.
How the **** would you know that Microsoft can advertise their system better than both Nintendo and Sony? THEY HAVEN\'T RELEASED A SINGLE ADVERTISEMENT YET!
*takes crystal ball from Tshirts*
Sony will win. Nintendo will drop out and go into the laundry business and Microsoft will drop out because their systems keep blowing up. Hhhhhmmm.....
*throws crystal ball on the street*
I just wanna add one thing to this.
Cons:
-No plans of going online as of right now. They are taking the wait-and-see approach to online gaming.
Actually, they do have online plans but they just haven\'t released them yet. Nintendo is more than ready to go online when ever they want but they said they\'ll only do it if they have the right killer game to start it all. Nintendo has been pushing the thought of online gaming since the SNES era, the 64DD WAS capable of going on the internet. They were supposed to have a online game for it but it failed miserably so they couldn\'t do it.
Nintendo is no newbie when it comes to online gaming. You may think they\'re not ready but they truly are. In fact, didn\'t they reveal their BB adapter and 56K modem at last year\'s SpaceWorld(yes)? They had their accessories ready long before Sony did and before Microsoft fininshed their final hardware.
Believe it or not but PSOV2 for NGC which is scheduled for a Dec release might be the first online game for a console besides the DC...
There goes your con...
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Originally posted by XBOX Rules
but one thing that Microsoft has that Sony doesn\'t is money.
I think SONY owns a bank in Japan. :D I think they got the green. :D
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Speculation like what you said: "GameCube could not even sell this generation" I could go on about that. The younger generation will definitly try and get it and then the people who love Nintendos games will buy it. Even if it has no 3rd part support, people will buy it just for the 1st and 2nd party software. The XBox though... Its new.. Game will most likely have patches on it... they will change the gamming community, but they will probably try and shape it like the PC industry. I just say that the PS2 won\'t really sale that much better than it is right now at christmas because of the cube and XBox comming out, and those sales will go way high for either both the XBox and GC, or just the GC. It will take a lot of MS advertising to be successful at launch. But they can just buy success. They are paying developer costs for software 100% no strings attached. MS has too much money. My Cousin used to work for microsoft. He retired in 95 because Microsoft was becomming an ass and he had several million dollars so he left. Note: The Calculator on windows was made by him when he was 18 for microsoft. If you have windows 95 and click on help, about calculator. It puts his name up on there. The only reason he got credit was because he was not an empolyee for MS at the time. Also all the drag and drop, cut and paste, he did all that. Belive if you want or don\'t belive me I don\'t care, but its true.
I did not even bother to read all your post. Mainly because you started off baabling about something that has no meaning. When i said gamecube would not sell this generation. I said there are endless possibilities when you speculate. Because IronFist was speculating on xbox. And what I meant bye that is you can say anything. When YOUR specuating. All just forget it.
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Nintendo just has too big of a hand in the younger kid buisness to ever fallout. And no one ever wants to help them so Nintendo makes their console for everyone. I\'m just saying that Nintendo to drop out would be like Tom Hanks going to work at McDonalds. Its not going to happen for that one reason.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
The best purchase this year will definitely be the PS2. No questions asked!
Hits like Jax and Dexter, FFX, MGS2, Silent Hill 2, Xenosaga, Wild arms 3, Legend of Lagaia, Soul Reaver 2, Jade Cocoon 2, GT3, Klonoa 2 will be the driving force of the system for this year and probably the year after that. World domination is guaranteed for a brief moment.
*Passing on the magic ball to the next recipient*
First of that is all a matter of assumption. Because you cannot guarantee that all those titles will be good. I mean besides gt3 you can\'t flat out say all the rest are excellent games. Because they have yet to be proven.
I could come out and say luigi\'s Mansion will be the best game this year. Or I could say Munch,Halo, and Doa3 will all be the most excellent games to hit any console. You can\'t start speculating on games just because you think they will be good. If you can do that for ps2 hell I can do the same for xbox and gamecube.
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Originally posted by Xbox:
But ps2 launch games where crap.
That is all your oppinion. I think TTT, SSX, DOA2:HC, Timesplitters, and Madden 2001 were well worth the money I paid for the console.
And you keep on saying that what we are saying is just speculation. That is the point of this thread. Speculate all you want, and then in 5 months we\'ll see who was right. :)
Originally posted by XBOX Rules:
The XBox will do pretty good when it comes out. It might not be number one right away or if ever, but one thing that Microsoft has that Sony doesn\'t is money. It can advertise this system like no one else could and attract more developers than Gamecube or Playstation 2. I fully expect XBox to be a very big competitor this November.
Like others have said, Sony has just as much, if not more money than Microsoft.
Originally posted by Jumpman:
Actually, they do have online plans but they just haven\'t released them yet. Nintendo is more than ready to go online when ever they want but they said they\'ll only do it if they have the right killer game to start it all. Nintendo has been pushing the thought of online gaming since the SNES era, the 64DD WAS capable of going on the internet. They were supposed to have a online game for it but it failed miserably so they couldn\'t do it.
I read in an interview that Nintendo was going to wait and see how well online gaming was for the PS2 and the Xbox, and if it was successful, they would also join the fun. But just ignore that until I find a link to it. I\'m off to go search the vast world called the internet to try and find this one bit of info. Wish me luck. It might take a while.
Believe it or not but PSOV2 for NGC which is scheduled for a Dec release might be the first online game for a console besides the DC...
Even if this does happen, Nintendo won\'t be the first. Sony is going online in October or November (I can\'t remember the month, sorry), so they will be first (besides Sega, of course.)
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I read in an interview that Nintendo was going to wait and see how well online gaming was for the PS2 and the Xbox, and if it was successful, they would also join the fun.
Well, I read that they won\'t go online without a major killer title so your wrong! j/k(bah I\'m an idiot)
Anyways, even if that is true, I don\'t see how playing the wait and see game is a con. What if online gaming for PS2 and Xbox bombs? Then Nintendo would be doing the smart thing and backing out before they make the same mistake.
Even if this does happen, Nintendo won\'t be the first. Sony is going online in October or November (I can\'t remember the month, sorry), so they will be first (besides Sega, of course.)
Really? I was unaware of this. I thought PS2\'s first online game was going to be released this spring. What games for it are going to be online?
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Originally posted by IronFist
Like others have said, Sony has just as much, if not more money than Microsoft.
Sony has hardly as much Money as Microsoft. Hardly... They are far behind Microsoft in the amount of money they have.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Anyways, even if that is true, I don\'t see how playing the wait and see game is a con. What if online gaming for PS2 and Xbox bombs? Then Nintendo would be doing the smart thing and backing out before they make the same mistake.
Good point. It could be a good thing even if online gaming is successful. A lot of people just want to play some fun party games with their friends.
Really? I was unaware of this. I thought PS2\'s first online game was going to be released this spring. What games for it are going to be online?
Twisted Metal Black Online and Tony Hawk 3 Online are the 2 games I\'m looking forward to this fall. There are a few others too, but none that really impress me.
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once again, mainly just replying to the first page...the rest was pretty mcuh bull****
Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
I have a few responses that are actually very good ones you take it how you want to:
1.) why do you think the 3 day Game Cube earlier release date is such a big deal?? you say that consumers will have ALREADY bought the console of their choice in a three day time inteval??? a 100 million consumer market is going to by all there consoles with in those THREE days??? 90 million sold??? unlikely
This is a four year race...you talk like its going to be over in three days. When in fact....most of the consoles bought THIS year will be bought during christmas, and And all the consoles will be out then.
mebbe in america...i was under the impression the XBox wasnt going to be released for quite some time everywhere else :)
Soully says:
2.)You say: xbox is very poweful and has a lot of developer support....but will it be enough? why wouldnt it be? It was enough for the psx right?
its also competing against the PS2, with stronger developer support, more games, more franchises etc. etc.
Soully says:
3.)I think you should include the xbox\'s extensive GOOD launch library as a key element. It has a clear advantage over the GC when it come to variety and abundance launch titles. They are some good GC games....but not a large quantity will out...and of the ones being released....(see the launch titles list that was JUST released) are they enough games to hold gamers attention?? I dont think pikmin can do it.
your saying the GC wont sell out? I think GC will easily sell out, hardcore fans alone will make sure of that, by the time hardcore fans stop buying it, the better games will be well on their way. But i do have doubts about whther or not the XBox will sell out
Soully says:
4.)Slight correction as well...Online is said to be ready in EARLY spring 2002 (NOT SUMMER) with the release of Unreal championchip. And you list this as a con for xbox....but no console will have online content at that time. So it should be a con for all consoles if its a con at all.
bah, agreed :)
Originally posted by XBOX
Con-Does not have any big name franchises that it is known for like the PS2 and NGC have because the Xbox is bran new.
How is that a con? That is standard for any new system. Just because it is new does not mean it will not have good games. I mean don\'t you want brand new awesome games in a new console?
umm...PS2 and NGC are brand new consoles....they have franchises...funny that
XBox says:
And second. How can you say that seeing how tecmo put a best selling fighter exclusively on xbox DOA3. And seeing how it games like MgsX, Panzier Dragon, Silent HillX, Dino Crisis3,JSRF, and a load of other great games like Halo, Project EGo. Yes they are new games, but they are getting lots of attention from the media, and being called the next Killer apps.
they will be good games, but as of yet, do not have the attention that are needed...GT3 has attention...those games are not up to that standard yet
XBox says:
Third you list no 56k being bad for XBOX when sony is doing the same thing. Everyone knows 56k sucks for playing games and is not even worth supporting.
i thought Sony did have 56k support...and 56k is slightly more widely used worldwide than Broadband
Xbox says:
5th XbOX needs more japanese support. From who enix and square? Everyother major game maker is making games for it. And Enix sucks and square is making FFXI for xbox so anything could happen from their. I mean we never thought we would see any FF on Xbox.
still needs more support. As it stands developers are still unsure and are standing back to see how it performs. And are still supporting PS2 as its foremost console. So far anyway
Originally posted by IronFist
Soul_Reaver:
I still think that the 3 days thing will hurt the Xbox. Remember, it is just my oppinion. If there were two consoles, both having games that you wanted, and one came out a little sooner, which would you choose. I know the hardcore Xbox supporters would wait the extra 3 days, but the people who are not quite sure will probably pick up the first one released.
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3 days wont make any difference...GC will sell out because of hardcore support...XBox might sell out also...casual gamers do not wait out in line all night waiting for a console
Originally posted by XBOX
You do not know how the gaming audience feels about new hardware. If that was the case playstation would have never made it. I had never seen an add for psx. The only time I seen it was in a game store.
PSx entering the industry was a totally different situation that i have explained to you and others before (and other people have explained it also
XBox says:
Ok can you see the future? How can you say that about xbox games. You don\'t know how good there are going to be. I mean PS2 launch games sucked, but that did not stop ppl from picking it over a dreamcast that had a library of great games. I mean unless you have actually played finished XBOX games how can you say the games at launch won\'t be good?
PS2 had some rather good, and some rather original launch games. Most though were flawed, but still a great play (SSX, good, TS, good, DoA, good, TTT, good, Summoner good etc. etc.)
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Online Gaming won\'t bomb, as long as the broadband connecters don\'t have 56kers in on the games. (I still have 56k but I must get rid of it, more importantly is getting rid of AOL)
Just imagine.... Rogue Leader 3...... Multiplayer at home and then.... Hook up to 8 people online with a broadband connection No lag, The Battle of Endor, where the second Death Star was destroyed....... Yummm.
Also amagine..... The next Super Smash Brothers Melee.... Play it with up to 8 people at home with the NGC multitap for 8 players (yes it is in the works). Then go online to fight in the best fighter of all time IMO.
I have played numerous games online, everyone was great. :D
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Its not that I love to win... Its that I hate losing.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Online Gaming won\'t bomb, as long as the broadband connecters don\'t have 56kers in on the games. (I still have 56k but I must get rid of it, more importantly is getting rid of AOL)
The peeps speaking for FFXI said that it won\'t matter whether one had T3 or 28.8, it will all run at the same speed.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Sony has hardly as much Money as Microsoft. Hardly... They are far behind Microsoft in the amount of money they have.
Actually, Sony is worth more due to the fact they sell alot more products . MS is a software company, (\'cept for the Xbox) and while they make alot of money, Sony sells everything from cd players, to tvs, to game systems and so on. Sony has more money.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Actually, Sony is worth more due to the fact they sell alot more products . MS is a software company, (\'cept for the Xbox) and while they make alot of money, Sony sells everything from cd players, to tvs, to game systems and so on. Sony has more money.
I think the money thing is very debatable since nobody really knows. Seeing how Microsoft dominates 80% or more of the world computers. And sony does not hold as much of it\'s market as Ms holds it\'s market. I wouldn\'t think sony has nearly as much money as MS. Although they make a lot of products. They also have to compete with a lot of companys that also make good products. So it\'s hard to say on SONY. But ps2 supporters will say sony does and Microsoft supporters will say they don\'t. Nobody on this forum knows. And truly can\'t say. But umm I doubt sony has as much money as Microsoft does. Microsoft dominates too much of the market it is in. And sony does not do the sam in it\'s market.
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Originally posted by XBOX
I think the money thing is very debatable since nobody really knows. Seeing how Microsoft dominates 80% or more of the world computers. And sony does not hold as much of it\'s market as Ms holds it\'s market. I wouldn\'t think sony has nearly as much money as MS. Although they make a lot of products. They also have to compete with a lot of companys that also make good products. So it\'s hard to say on SONY. But ps2 supporters will say sony does and Microsoft supporters will say they don\'t. Nobody on this forum knows. And truly can\'t say. But umm I doubt sony has as much money as Microsoft does. Microsoft dominates too much of the market it is in. And sony does not do the sam in it\'s market.
I\'ll agree with the part where you said Sony fans will say Sony has more and MS fans will say MS has more. I don\'t personally care, as I think Sonys\' marketing has always been crap, but that is just my opinion. Then again, they don\'t even advirtise alot, so..
From what I read, MS is spending alot of money on marketing, which is good. I would like to see MS take Sega\'s approach to marketing (the edgier ads..Like "Sega does what Nintendon\'t" ,etc ).
You may be right, MS may have more money. You was right, when you said no one on this forum truly knows. I was guessing / assuming Sony would have more due to the fact they sell alot more products global. But MS does have 80% of the OS market / Ultimate TV / and tons of other products now\'a\'days. The company has changed quite a bit.
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:Walks to a friends house and plays Halo on the BoX:
:After 10 minutes, a window pops up saying "This program has been performed by and illegal violation...":
This could happen to the Box, we never know.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
:Walks to a friends house and plays Halo on the BoX:
:After 10 minutes, a window pops up saying "This program has been performed by and illegal violation...":
This could happen to the Box, we never know.
I truly doubt that. The XBOX Is a closed system not running third party software or dealing with hardware conflicts. Not to mention the OS is a stripped down 2K if I remember correctly, which is an extremely stable OS.
Illegal Operations, blue screens of deaths won\'t be part of the \'featured\' list for the Xbox.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Illegal Operations, blue screens of deaths won\'t be part of the \'featured\' list for the Xbox.
Too bad. :D what would a MS-OS be without them :D jk.
Originally posted by JediMaster
:Walks to a friends house and plays Halo on the BoX:
:After 10 minutes, a window pops up saying "This program has been performed by and illegal violation...":
This could happen to the Box, we never know.
I doubt they would have problems with the OS, I mean the programmers have a fixed list of devices to hit on the XBox, just like the PS2 programmers. You might encounter freezes, you know plain game bugs, every console has em.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
:Walks to a friends house and plays Halo on the BoX:
:After 10 minutes, a window pops up saying "This program has been performed by and illegal violation...":
This could happen to the Box, we never know.
Uh, have you not seen everyones complaints about bad disks, freezes, and broken PS2\'s???
Also, Microsofts newest versions of OS\'s are workingmuch more flawlessly.
I hereby declare your argument null and void.
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I didn\'t mean to accaully impose that that would happen. What I meat to do was say something bad about MS\'s OS.
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Yeah this topic is kind of old, but I just want to voice my higly respected and loved opinion on this matter.
This fall, I predict either Sony or Nintendo will do the best. Usually Nintendo has 1 or 2 games every fall that they hype up to death and it seells like crazy.
Examples: Mario64 in fall 96, Goldeneye and Diddy Kong Racing in 97, Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time, Donkey Kong 64 in 99, Majora\'s Mask, No Mercy, and Pokemon Gold and Silver in 2000.
But this fall I\'m not completetly sure they will out-sell PS2(they will hardware wise obviously) because it has so many sequals who all have the potential of selling many copies. Sure they have Wave Race, RL, and Smash Bros, but PS2 has MGS2, Wipeout, and many others. Therefor, I can\'t say who will come out on top this X-Mas, but it will definitely be extremely close.
I\'m discluding MS\'s Xbox from taking the fall crown because they simply have no title that I can see will sell like crazy with the possible exception of Munch.
But in 2002 I think GameCube will out-sell everyone. I\'ll just let the games explain why: the next Mario game, the next Zelda game, Kameo, Perfect Dark 2, METROID, Too Human, and the next WrestleMania game. All of those games will be hyped up to death, trust me. I don\'t don\'t see how PS2\'s software can compete with all those killer sellers.
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Quite foolish of you to sell MS\'s marketing short Jumpman... Munch, Halo, Blood Wake and DoA3 and any Sega game could sell great with good marketing.
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Originally posted by Krimson
Quite foolish of you to sell MS\'s marketing short Jumpman... Munch, Halo, Blood Wake and DoA3 and any Sega game could sell great with good marketing.
Yeah but the thing is I don\'t know how well Microsoft can advertise. I know that Sony is good at hyping games, and I know Nintendo is the king at it but I\'m unsure of how MS will handle their killer titles this fall. I don\'t see people going crazy over any of those games simlpy because they\'re not well recongnized. Munch might sell well, but I doubt it will match the sales of MGS2 or Luigi\'s Mansion.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Yeah but the thing is I don\'t know how well Microsoft can advertise...
Which is why you shouldn\'t write them off yet. They have a \'X\'. lots of black, lots of games, great technology. If they have the right ad firm doing it, these ingredients can have the mainstream eating out of MS\'s hands. (I know some of that stuff is stupid, but the mainstream can be swayed by superficial things..)
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Originally posted by Krimson
Which is why you shouldn\'t write them off yet. They have a \'X\'. lots of black, lots of games, great technology. If they have the right ad firm doing it, these ingredients can have the mainstream eating out of MS\'s hands. (I know some of that stuff is stupid, but the mainstream can be swayed by superficial things..)
I\'m not writing them off, I\'m just stating what I think will happen, and quite frankly I don\'t think MS can compete with Sony and Nintendo this fall but I could easily be wrong. And giving our opinions on what might happen was the whole point of this thread right?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
And giving our opinions on what might happen was the whole point of this thread right?
*Sigh* I suppose :rolleyes:
:p
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Originally posted by Tshirts
The best purchase this year will definitely be the PS2. No questions asked!
Hits like Jax and Dexter, FFX, MGS2, Silent Hill 2, Xenosaga, Wild arms 3, Legend of Lagaia, Soul Reaver 2, Jade Cocoon 2, GT3, Klonoa 2 will be the driving force of the system for this year and probably the year after that. World domination is guaranteed for a brief moment.
*Passing on the magic ball to the next recipient*
not even half those titlse are gonna be hitting this fall.
1) FFX hits NEXT year in febuary.
2) XenoSaga has yet to be announced but I seriously doubt it will be out before FEb.
3) Legend of Legaia 2 not announced but not this year I bet.
4) And Wild ARms 3 in not announced and doubtful this year as well.
by bob:
mebbe in america...i was under the impression the XBox wasnt going to be released for quite some time everywhere else
well...hits America first....two weeks later JApan and Europe get it in SPRING 2002! Not a huge difference is it;) They will be hitting all the markets faster than any of the other consoles have.
You act like the launches are YEARS apart....when the fact of the matter is....all these companies are only making so many consoles this year so no dominance can be set. Nintendo OR sony are only going to have a million consoles of their own systems to sell this year...so how the hell are they going to get a HUGE share of a 100 MILLION console market??? they are not....(were are talking about fall....yes I understand ps2 already has sold 10 million.....thats irreleveant to my point)
at a launch the most a company can get is 1% of the market...and thats not s***.....and thats only IF they sell out. So like I said 3 days.....whoop di do!!
When is Europe getting Gamecubes by the way? I dont think they will be beating xbox to that market dude.....mabe im wrong:D Nintendo has ALWAYS had shortages...So I doubt they will beat xbox to that market.
NINTENDO is NOT having a WORLD LAUNCH!!!
Some of you are acting like they will.:rolleyes:
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When is Europe getting Gamecubes by the way? I dont think they will be beating xbox to that market dude.....mabe im wrong Nintendo has ALWAYS had shortages...So I doubt they will beat xbox to that market.
At E3, they said GameCube would be released in Europe sometime in February or March at the latest. I remember reading this at Computer&Videogames.com a while ago. I can\'t find the link but I\'m definitely not pulling this out of the air. Looks like Nintendo has the early lead over MS again. Remember, Sept 14 is the initial launch for the Cube in Japan. MS will need a lot of killer games if they want to catch up with Nintendo and Sony by then.
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by bob:
its also competing against the PS2, with stronger developer support, more games, more franchises etc. etc.
stronger developement support? LOL It look to me they are about equal now! and again what franchises dude??? they barely got THREE and your boosting like they got 50???
by bob:
your saying the GC wont sell out? I think GC will easily sell out, hardcore fans alone will make sure of that, by the time hardcore fans stop buying it, the better games will be well on their way. But i do have doubts about whther or not the XBox will sell out
I didnt say the GC wont sell out...hardcore fans will surley make sure it will. But hardcore fans will not make the difference....adverage consumer fans will. And GC will not have enough quality titles at launch to get these buyers excited. Go look at the luanch library on there site and the tell me otherwise....remember ...we are talking about fall...THIS YEAR!! and there is NO zelda this year...there is NO Perfect Dark this year....pikmin just aint going to do it for people.
by bob:
umm...PS2 and NGC are brand new consoles....they have franchises...funny that
whats funny is how you thought you could get away with "twisting xbox\'s words. You know what he meant. when he said "new" console.....he meant TOTALLY new....NEVER hald a console before company. PS was able to establish franchises with its good games. Expect the same from xbox cause its going to happen.
by bob:
they will be good games, but as of yet, do not have the attention that are needed...GT3 has attention...those games are not up to that standard yet
BS....the attiontion part is true...but the console is not even out yet. People knew barely ANY games for ps2 before its launch....stop setting double standards bob. And Gt3 looks good but there are xbox games that are only 6 months in the works that have already lapped GT3. check this out....I played Gt3 today (its out today here in ther us:D) I want you to do a spin out and then check out the rims.....You will notice that they go from a 2d texture to a 3d texture. Whats up with that????? Car models in Gothem dont do that. So to say these xbox games are not upto gt3\'s standards is bs.
You are tryong to compare a game thats been in developement for OVER three years to a games in developement for only 6 months?? If gothem already has better car models WITH damage....what do you expect from the final product?? You can only compare finished product to finish products dude. I know I might be sounding like a hipocrite cause I just did that....but that was neccessary to prove to you that xbox games ARE living up to gt3 standards AND surpassing them.
by bob:
i thought Sony did have 56k support...and 56k is slightly more widely used worldwide than Broadband
this 56k thing is not an advantage dude...more people have it...yes that is true..but what the hell are you going to be able to play on it? pong??? do you online game bob??? well I do! and 56k is only good for turn based games. for FPS it sucks....you might be able to get away with it in a few games but with the huge up in complexity in games....you gonna have to have ethernet...plain and simple. Playing games with LAG sucks....and you are not going to realize it until YOU try to play a game with a 56k modem. They were NOT designed to play games and thats OBVIOUS after you\'ve tried.
by bob:
still needs more support. As it stands developers are still unsure and are standing back to see how it performs. And are still supporting PS2 as its foremost console. So far anyway
notice you failed to name any other developers besides square and enix:D cause you cant name any other developers they need that they dont already have dude. And when square comes over you wont even have that. Xbox has 250-300 developers. how many do they need to please you bob? 1000?:rolleyes:
There support rivals that of sony now....and thats all that matters. The longer you hold onto that statement the more bais you look....You were saying this crap when xbox only had 150 developers. Now they have just about double that....you can set that argument to rest bobo.
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by Jumpman:
At E3, they said GameCube would be released in Europe sometime in February or March at the latest. I remember reading this at Computer&Videogames.com a while ago. I can\'t find the link but I\'m definitely not pulling this out of the air. Looks like Nintendo has the early lead over MS again.
early lead???what??? looks like you miss learning your seasons dude. Cause Xbox hits europe in EARLY spring 2002. Last time I checked Feb. and March were part of the spring season.....and notice that those are "EARLY" spring season dates.
You\'ve proved nothing. xbox will be hitting around that time as well. which means Gc might not even have a lead at all.
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
early lead???what??? looks like you miss learning your seasons dude. Cause Xbox hits europe in EARLY spring 2002. Last time I checked Feb. and March were part of the spring season.....and notice that those are "EARLY" spring season dates.
You\'ve proved nothing. xbox will be hitting around that time as well. which means Gc might not even have a lead at all.
Let this be proof that Soul Reaver has the intelligence of a pearot.
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by Jumpman:
Yeah but the thing is I don\'t know how well Microsoft can advertise. I know that Sony is good at hyping games, and I know Nintendo is the king at it but I\'m unsure of how MS will handle their killer titles this fall. I don\'t see people going crazy over any of those games simlpy because they\'re not well recongnized.
LOL...how well can they advertise? MS is an advertising monster....as evidence of there OS.:D and with 500 million dollars they are going to do the same thing they did with windows advertising wise(which is the most used OS in the world now). Be Real....500 MILLION??? what do you think is going to happen?
Its very true that you dont see anything right now.....but you never see ads of consoles that are months away from being realesed. Where were all the ps2 ads?? they didnt exist....
where are all the GC ads....??? they dont exist.
But just wait until one week of Xbox\'s release....BAM!!
you\'ll get a bombardment of ads....and Nintendo or sony will not be able to match what xbox does. Sonys total ad campaign = 20 million, and nintendo\'s = 10 million
Xbox could spend that in that one week and STILL have plenty of money to last them for the rest of the year. Sony and nintendo have to "stretch their money" for an entire year!
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
LOL...how well can they advertise? MS is an advertising monster....as evidence of there OS.:D and with 500 million dollars they are going to do the same thing they did with windows advertising wise(which is the most used OS in the world now). Be Real....500 MILLION??? what do you think is going to happen?
Its very true that you dont see anything right now.....but you never see ads of consoles that are months away from being realesed. Where were all the ps2 ads?? they didnt exist....
where are all the GC ads....??? they dont exist.
But just wait until one week of Xbox\'s release....BAM!!
you\'ll get a bombardment of ads....and Nintendo or sony will not be able to match what xbox does. Sonys total ad campaign = 20 million, and nintendo\'s = 10 million
Xbox could spend that in that one week and STILL have plenty of money to last them for the rest of the year. Sony and nintendo have to "stretch their money" for an entire year!
More signs of speaking while intoxicated.
Your blowing this 500 million dollar advertising campaign totally out of proportion. I know Sony spends that much a year, and Nintendo spends 250million yearly. Also, that money is not for every year, it is for 18 months(I\'m talking about MS\'s campaign).
Now lets use our brains and turn 500 million into a yearly number. To do that, we must take 33% of of it. 500 divided by 3=166.7(rounded off). 500- 166.7= 333.3 ...which means MS is only speading 83.3 million dollars more than Nintendo spends yearly. LOL! NOT THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE! And your talking about Nintendo here. Wern\'t they the leaders of gaming for two straight generations? They know better than anyone how to advertise!
HA!
By using simple mathematical skills I proved that MS\'s marketing compaign isn\'t that big!!!WOO HOO!
Oh wait that should be commen knowledge...damn...:(
Oh yeah, GameCube\'s advertising compaign has already begun. That\'s also commen knowledge. I\'m not even going to tell you how Nintendo is advertising GameCube in mass numbers now because I wanna see you whine some more. :p
*go Jumpman. It\'s your birth-day. Go Jumpman. It\'s your birth-day*
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Hey Soul Reaver, according to you, what\'s the first day of spring? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
IT\'S MARCH 20 YOU IMBECILE! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I\'M LOVING THIS! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
LOL...how well can they advertise? MS is an advertising monster....as evidence of there OS.:D and with 500 million dollars they are going to do the same thing they did with windows advertising wise(which is the most used OS in the world now). Be Real....500 MILLION??? what do you think is going to happen?
Its very true that you dont see anything right now.....but you never see ads of consoles that are months away from being realesed. Where were all the ps2 ads?? they didnt exist....
where are all the GC ads....??? they dont exist.
But just wait until one week of Xbox\'s release....BAM!!
you\'ll get a bombardment of ads....and Nintendo or sony will not be able to match what xbox does. Sonys total ad campaign = 20 million, and nintendo\'s = 10 million
Xbox could spend that in that one week and STILL have plenty of money to last them for the rest of the year. Sony and nintendo have to "stretch their money" for an entire year!
Sony and Nintendo don\'t NEED to advertise. There was almost no PS2 advertising, and judging by the incredible sales, they didn\'t need to at all. Nintendo and Playstation are so incredibly well known that advertising is completely unnecessesary. Microsoft REALLY needs the advertising because, while they are a very well known company, and they are known as many things by many people, but a gaming company is NOT the first thing people think when they hear Microsoft. Xbox has a very hard uphill battle, they are unknown and the odds are very much against them. They need that 500 million dollars to advertise.
And please, be honest with yourself. Windows is the most used OS because 99.9% of computers come with Windows pre-installed. Your only other choice is the incredibly overpriced Apple. Advertising has no effect whatsoever on Windows\' sales. If computers still had Windows 95 standard, no one would use 98 or ME. The only reason anyone does use 98 or ME is because they bought computers with 98 or ME on them already. Very few people bother to upgrade.
Microsoft is really new to advertising wholesale. For one thing, they mostly cater to businesses, and selling to businesses is very different from selling to a consumer. You rarely see a consumer-targeted MS ad. MS is going into a completely new and alien market, and they have almost no experience at what they are doing. They are not advertising giants at all.
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Originally posted by Weltall
Sony and Nintendo don\'t NEED to advertise. There was almost no PS2 advertising, and judging by the incredible sales, they didn\'t need to at all. Nintendo and Playstation are so incredibly well known that advertising is completely unnecessesary. Microsoft REALLY needs the advertising because, while they are a very well known company, and they are known as many things by many people, but a gaming company is NOT the first thing people think when they hear Microsoft. Xbox has a very hard uphill battle, they are unknown and the odds are very much against them. They need that 500 million dollars to advertise.
Whoa! PS2 was advertised up the wazoo! For almost a year before it came out I was seeing commercials on TV. Remeber the PS9 commercial? There were others! And the games are advertised a lot to, before the system even came out! I even saw advertisements for PS2 in non-gaming magazines!
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Are you kidding? I didn\'t see one add for the PS2 on TV until the day before launch (I saw a TTT comercial right before DBZ). Sony didn\'t advertise at all. They let the hype sell the systems.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Are you kidding? I didn\'t see one add for the PS2 on TV until the day before launch (I saw a TTT comercial right before DBZ). Sony didn\'t advertise at all. They let the hype sell the systems.
Where do you live? I get my cable stations from ATL.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Are you kidding? I didn\'t see one add for the PS2 on TV until the day before launch (I saw a TTT comercial right before DBZ). Sony didn\'t advertise at all. They let the hype sell the systems.
I saw tons of commercials pre-launch. The news stories didn\'t hurt either...
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Let this be proof that Soul Reaver has the intelligence of a pearot.
There is nothing wrong with my comment. Quit talking out of your a**. You said CG would be coming out FEb..or MArch....I said xbox would be coming out spring2002. March is early spring 2002. whats stupid about that?? Mabe feb. is not included in there.
by Jumpman:
Your blowing this 500 million dollar advertising campaign totally out of proportion. I know Sony spends that much a year, and Nintendo spends 250million yearly. Also, that money is not for every year, it is for 18 months(I\'m talking about MS\'s campaign).
Now lets use our brains and turn 500 million into a yearly number. To do that, we must take 33% of of it. 500 divided by 3=166.7(rounded off). 500- 166.7= 333.3 ...which means MS is only speading 83.3 million dollars more than Nintendo spends yearly. LOL! NOT THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE! And your talking about Nintendo here. Wern\'t they the leaders of gaming for two straight generations? They know better than anyone how to advertise!
HA!
By using simple mathematical skills I proved that MS\'s marketing compaign isn\'t that big!!!WOO HOO!
Oh wait that should be commen knowledge...damn...
Oh yeah, GameCube\'s advertising compaign has already begun. That\'s also commen knowledge. I\'m not even going to tell you how Nintendo is advertising GameCube in mass numbers now because I wanna see you whine some more.
*go Jumpman. It\'s your birth-day. Go Jumpman. It\'s your birth-day*
dont go into business dude....cause you know nothing about it. Sony might spend that much a year....but THEY DONT SPEND ALL OF IT ON ADVERTISING ITIOT!:D LOL.....and you thought you were smart.:D LOL OMFG LOL!!!
Sony has stated that there advertising budget for ps2 is 20 million. Nintendo has stated that there advertising with probully be half of that. All these other numbers you are coming up with are bulls***.
But ALL THAT 500 million dollars is DEDICATED to advertising!!!
by Jumpman:
Hey Soul Reaver, according to you, what\'s the first day of spring?
IT\'S MARCH 20 YOU IMBECILE! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I\'M LOVING THIS! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
AND how is my comments inconsistant with this dude? me an imecile?? LOL thats funny. My only mistake was making my comment too broad to include feb. and when it come to gaming that not really a mistake. If a game is released in feb...its considered part of the spring list. The fact of the matter is....YOU said GC will be hitting Feb. or March....I said those are early spring dates which is consistant with the release date of the xbox as well "early" spring 2002. March is part of the spring season. nuff said.
You completely over exagerated my comments like I said spring starts in august? All in an attempt to make me look stupid?? LOL....You are not even near my intellegence dude give it up...you are out matched. All you did was make yourself look foolish..
But dont stop now dude!!! Your on a roll.....all your other post make you look foolish too!!!:D way to go
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And please, be honest with yourself. MS are the advertising giants of the software world ther eis no question about that.
by weltall:
most used OS because 99.9% of computers come with Windows pre-installed. Your only other choice is the incredibly overpriced Apple. Advertising has no effect whatsoever on Windows\' sales. If computers still had Windows 95 standard, no one would use 98 or ME. The only reason anyone does use 98 or ME is because they bought computers with 98 or ME on them already. Very few people bother to upgrade.
Microsoft is really new to advertising wholesale. For one thing, they mostly cater to businesses, and selling to businesses is very different from selling to a consumer. You rarely see a consumer-targeted MS ad. MS is going into a completely new and alien market, and they have almost no experience at what they are doing. They are not advertising giants at all.
SOme of this is true and some of its not. Just about everyone is familliar with windows xp now arent they? but its not on any computer out there is it.
True...alot of people know of windows becuase it comes installed on their pc\'s. But it was not always like this. Back in the day MS advertised like a mad dog.....AND made very lucrative patnerships with other companies to have windows installed on their pc\'s. This partnership thing has alot to do with advertising my friend.....in fact...ITS THE BEST KIND. Because of it...EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT windows is ....pretty much!
Sounds like advertising to me buddy! And then on ALL these pc\'s you see a little sticker that says:
Designed for Windows 98
sounds like advertisng to me. You go to ANY computer retailer and you are GAURANTED to see window ads whether it be ME or 2000. Sounds like advertising to me.
So dont give this crap about MS not knowing about advertising and not being advertising giants cause they are. They are the advertising giants of software and NO ONE IN THE SOFTWARE BUSINESS COMES CLOSE. Its true that they have never advertised on such a level for hardware...but.....these guys definately know how to play the game, and there is no way you can deny that. Its not all that different.
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To Soul Reaver:
Here\'s a list of Gamecube games coming this year:
NBA Courtside 2002
All-Star Baseball 2002
Pikmin
Extreme-G 3 (XG3 Extreme Racing)
Eternal Darkness
Batman: Dark Tomorrow
Star Wars Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron II
Madden NFL 2002
NFL Quarterback Club 2002
NHL Hitz 2002
Luigi\'s Mansion
NFL Blitz 2002
Wave Race: Blue Storm
Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Star Fox Adventures: Dinosaur Planet
Crazy Taxi
SSX Tricky
NBA Street
I think that\'s a descent amount of games to be out in less than 4 months from now. Other solid titles like Resident Evil 0, PSO V2.0, and Thornado will be out by Q2 of 2002. Details about Zelda and Matio will be disclosed at Spaceworld.
I\'ve never heard of this $10 million figure that you say Nintendo will spend. Last time I heard, Nintendo will use half the money that Sony will spend, which is $500 million. It\'s not known whether that\'s money for the GC and GBA combined, or if they will have separate budgets. I can\'t prove this though, since I don\'t have a solid link to provide you... which all your posts so far seem to be lacking.
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There is nothing wrong with my comment. Quit talking out of your a**. You said CG would be coming out FEb..or MArch....I said xbox would be coming out spring2002. March is early spring 2002. whats stupid about that?? Mabe feb. is not included in there.
Quit being a gimp. March 20 is the first day of spring. FEB IS NOT INCLUDED IN SPRING, IT\'S PART OF WINTER. You know, that season where the snow falls al ot?
March 20-April 15 is technically early spring, fool. If Nintendo can\'t get it out in FEB, then chances are it will come out not too long into april. I heard March 20 was the absolute latest when it will be released. Blah blah blah it means Xbox isn\'t getting a lead on GameCube in ANY region.
dont go into business dude....cause you know nothing about it. Sony might spend that much a year....but THEY DONT SPEND ALL OF IT ON ADVERTISING ITIOT! LOL.....and you thought you were smart. LOL OMFG LOL!!!
Sony has stated that there advertising budget for ps2 is 20 million. Nintendo has stated that there advertising with probully be half of that. All these other numbers you are coming up with are bulls***.
But ALL THAT 500 million dollars is DEDICATED to advertising!!!
Read hyper\'s post, he seems to be talking out of his ass too right? :rolleyes:
It\'s common knowledge by now that Sony spends 500 million on marketing and Nintendo spends half that much every year.
And you thought you were right....LOL OMFG LOL!!!
BTW- since you ignored the part where I said NGC\'s advertising campaign has already begun, I\'ll tell you how it is: GameBoyAdvance. On the US box of GBA, it has a picture of it connectting to GameCube. Now every one who owns a GBA in the US and Europe knows about the GameCube. Heh...like I said, Nitendo is the king of advertising.
AND how is my comments inconsistant with this dude? me an imecile?? LOL thats funny. My only mistake was making my comment too broad to include feb. and when it come to gaming that not really a mistake. If a game is released in feb...its considered part of the spring list. The fact of the matter is....YOU said GC will be hitting Feb. or March....I said those are early spring dates which is consistant with the release date of the xbox as well "early" spring 2002. March is part of the spring season. nuff said.
You completely over exagerated my comments like I said spring starts in august? All in an attempt to make me look stupid?? LOL....You are not even near my intellegence dude give it up...you are out matched. All you did was make yourself look foolish..
But dont stop now dude!!! Your on a roll.....all your other post make you look foolish too!!! way to go
Feb is not apart of the spring season no matter how you look at it.
Also, I\'m out-matched? Please. I\'ve been making you look like a fool all along, well, you helped too I guess. :D
Now please stop talking out of your ass and for god\'s sakes USE PROPER GRAMMAR!!! I\'m getting tired of all your .... and all your obvious spelling mistakes. Can you not find the spell checker? :D
ITIOT? Imecile? Intellegence? It seams your brain does not function properly when your ubset. Calm down and use common sense for once, imbecile(that\'s how you spell it the right way :laughing: )..
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I thought businesses measured everything in quarters, not seasons! :nut:
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Quit being a gimp. March 20 is the first day of spring. FEB IS NOT INCLUDED IN SPRING, IT\'S PART OF WINTER. You know, that season where the snow falls al ot?
Like I said before....My mistake is not very big. I fact its barely a mistake. You are saying that xbox has no chance of beating xbox to the European market....Ive proved that Nintendo might not be hitting the european market before xbox. From what I\'ve seen...there dates overlap. Both could be hitting spring duffus. What part about that do you NOT understand duffus?
by Jumpman:
Feb is not apart of the spring season no matter how you look at it.
Also, I\'m out-matched? Please. I\'ve been making you look like a fool all along, well, you helped too I guess.
See thats your problem dude....YOu THINK youve been making me look like a fool. They say ignorance is bliss. You\'ve been proving this saying true alot lately. If I could only get the transcripts from consoledome dude................:D Your post were hilarious.
by Jumpman:
Now please stop talking out of your ass and for god\'s sakes USE PROPER GRAMMAR!!! I\'m getting tired of all your .... and all your obvious spelling mistakes. Can you not find the spell checker?
ITIOT? Imecile? Intellegence? It seams your brain does not function properly when your ubset. Calm down and use common sense for once, imbecile(that\'s how you spell it the right way :laughing..
You name the subject young buck...and I will lap you in it .
This is funny cause you are like 15 in grade school and Im a year and half away form graduating college with a CS degree....LOL. do even know what a derivative is dude?:rolleyes: You are not on my level.
So I dont "type" in proper grammer....BIG DEAL....I type what im thinking and if I type Improper grammer....so be it. SO I use incorrect spelling..BIG DEAL....you understood what word I meant. See You fail to realize that this is NOT A TERM PAPER DUDE!!! I could careless I my s*** is "proper" or spelled correctly. People can let loose here buddy....
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Like I said before....My mistake is not very big. I fact its barely a mistake. You are saying that xbox has no chance of beating xbox to the European market....Ive proved that Nintendo might not be hitting the european market before xbox. From what I\'ve seen...there dates overlap. Both could be hitting spring duffus. What part about that do you NOT understand duffus?
Saying February is apart of spring is a mistake. Saying Xbox has no chance of beating Xbox to the European market is also a mistake... But nonetheless it IS a mistake, your just too ignorant to admit it. I mean, surely someone who\'s almost ready to graduate should know that Feb is not apart of spring. Thus, no overlapping occurs.
Also, you barely proved anything. Chances are Nintendo will get out in Europe before Xbox unless something happens. I\'ve never ruled out the possibility of Xbox beating NGC to the punch, it\'s just extremely unlikely.
See thats your problem dude....YOu THINK youve been making me look like a fool. They say ignorance is bliss. You\'ve been proving this saying true alot lately. If I could only get the transcripts from consoledome dude................ Your post were hilarious.
Maybe I\'m not the one who\'s being ignorant? Ever ponder that possibility?
Also, I\'ve changed a lot since consoledome went down. That should be obvious.
You name the subject young buck...and I will lap you in it .
You got it. How about we finish up the marketing campaign argument? You know? The one where you foolishly claimed MS\'s marketing campaign was 50 times as big as Nintendo\'s. Please, let\'s continue.
This is funny cause you are like 15 in grade school and Im a year and half away form graduating college with a CS degree....LOL. do even know what a derivative is dude? You are not on my level.
Do you know what\'s even more funny?
You thought february was apart of spring! LMAO!
Let me ask you this: did anyone know what derivative meant when they were 15?
Listen, I get 90\'s in all my subjects. I\'ve been suspended 4 times, thus, lowering my class mark for some classes. Do you honestly believe when you were 15, you were just as smart as I am know? I seriously doubt it. Your failing to realize that your not getting any where in this argument and I\'m supposedly not on your level. That tells you something.
So I dont "type" in proper grammer....BIG DEAL....I type what im thinking and if I type Improper grammer....so be it. SO I use incorrect spelling..BIG DEAL....you understood what word I meant. See You fail to realize that this is NOT A TERM PAPER DUDE!!! I could careless I my s*** is "proper" or spelled correctly. People can let loose here buddy....
What you think I\'m not loose enough? I don\'t come in here and try to sound all smart using big words( like Avatarr does). Fine, I simply don\'t care what you do anymore. I still think you should know how to spell common words like "intelligence" and "grammar" though...but, carry on in your own way if that makes you feel better.
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And oh.......Jumpman. You claim you are so smart.....then why did you fabricate the european launch date?
You said GameCube will launch in feb but march at the latest. Did you NOT think I was going to check this out????? The european luanch date has been set.....AND NOWHERE DOES IT SAY FEB as a possible release date.
NINTENDO THEMSELVES say that they european launch date is SPRING 2002. Apparently your the type who makes s*** up cause you completely made up that feb GC possibility release date.
nintendo.com (http://www.nintendo.com/news/news_articles.jsp?articleID=3927)
but wait???? The xbox\'s release date in europe is spring 2002 too.:rolleyes:
And people want to know how rumors get started?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
And oh.......Jumpman. You claim you are so smart.....then why did you fabricate the european launch date?
You said GameCube will launch in feb but march at the latest. Did you NOT think I was going to check this out????? The european luanch date has been set.....AND NOWHERE DOES IT SAY FEB as a possible release date.
NINTENDO THEMSELVES say that they european launch date is SPRING 2002. Apparently your the type who makes s*** up cause you completely made up that feb GC possibility release date.
nintendo.com (http://www.nintendo.com/news/news_articles.jsp?articleID=3927)
but wait???? The xbox\'s release date in europe is spring 2002 too.:rolleyes:
And people want to know how rumors get started?:rolleyes:
What? You think I would lie like you did when you said Sony\'s advertising compaign was 20 million and Nintendo\'s was half that much?
I remember what I heard. I didn\'t hear Feb from CVG.com, but I definitely didn\'t just pull it out of my ass. I have more honor than that. If I\'m wrong, then I have the guts to admit it.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/story.cfm?sid=2954
Article where I heard first day of spring for GameCube\'s launch(which is March 20 incase you forgot). I\'ll look for that Feb link and in the meanwhile you look for the link where it says all that **** about Sony\'s and Nintendo\'s campaign. :laughing: