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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: DirectXbox on July 05, 2001, 05:48:58 AM
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In the latest issue of EGM there was a quote at the top of the page and I don\'t have the issue with me right now, but it said something along the lines that Hideo Kojima was only able to realize 20% of what he wanted to do with MGS2 on the PS2 (likely because of hardware/time/money limitations). Where\'s the other 80%? Well, we already know that MGSX is "beyond" MGS2 so there\'s a great possibility that MGSX is 80% more than the PS2 version. Microsoft may have or probably will provide Kojima with more $$$ to include what he wants to include. You know, stuff like when the light shines on you the guards spot you like Kojima originally wanted to do. However, when they ran the algorithm, the game slowed down severly to the point where it was unplayable. Since Xbox has a seperate graphics unit, the CPU can be fully devoted to this complex algorithm.
Hell, if MGSX is indeed the other 80% of the game, then that is reason enough to buy both the PS2 and Xbox versions or skip the PS2 version altogether. This also may prove why Hideo is so mum about MGSX. He knows that if people found out that the Xbox version is the more complete version, then they may skip out on the PS2 version altoghether and that could seriously hit Konami\'s pocketbook. I do believe that there is a strong possibility that MGSX is the version Kojima himself had in mind when he came up with the concept. However, he can\'t say anything about it because it could hamper sales of the PS2 (incomplete) version.
Note: The EGM quote can be found in the MGS2 "Press Start" feature at the top of one of the pages.
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It is indeed possible, DirectXbox... But I\'m not getting my hopes up.
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dont listen to him i got the issue right now, it says before they actually started on the game they thought the had the whole story of the game built together but they ended up only having 20%, nothing about xbox, the only thing hideo said about xbox was- no comment, so make sure u know what your saying.
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Read my post again, dildo, I didn\'t say that they were going to have 80% more for the Xbox. I was just SPECULATING based on the quote in EGM. Some of you need to learn reading comprehension. I said nothing about EGM saying that MGSX would have 80% more...I\'m just saying that maybe that\'s what "beyond MGS2" means.
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Originally posted by SLIMSHADY739
dont listen to him i got the issue right now, it says before they actually started on the game they thought the had the whole story of the game built together but they ended up only having 20%, nothing about xbox, the only thing hideo said about xbox was- no comment, so make sure u know what your saying.
DX never implied that he said anything about the Xbox, he said that the other 80% that Kojima wanted to put into MGS2 could be done on Xbox. Let me quote what he said...
[Metal Gear Solid 2] is definitely going in the right direction, but when we started planning the game, way before we got the tools for the PS2, we had all these ideas we wanted to implement. What we were able to realize in this game is only about 20 percent of what we initially came up with. - Hideo Kojima
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Read my post again, dildo, I didn\'t say that they were going to have 80% more for the Xbox. I was just SPECULATING based on the quote in EGM. Some of you need to learn reading comprehension. I said nothing about EGM saying that MGSX would have 80% more...I\'m just saying that maybe that\'s what "beyond MGS2" means.
Well, those MS employees could be talking some major bull****. We don\'t know what is going on. Frankly, all the info that is out there now is 100 percent FAKE, unless it comes from the mouth of HIDEO KOJIMA-SAN himself. So far, he hasn\'t said ONE WORD about MGSX, sure he offers a no comment, and in a recent interview i read, he said that he only has plans for MGS2 on PS2, he said nothing about an Xbox version, and don\'t worry, this saga is FAR from being over. Bah, i feel like a fanboy today. Long Live XBOX:D
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Originally posted by DaRkGaMeR
Well, those MS employees could be talking some major bull****.
... Hes not talking about any MS employees! Read people!
We don\'t know what is going on. Frankly, all the info that is out there now is 100 percent FAKE, unless it comes from the mouth of HIDEO KOJIMA-SAN himself. So far, he hasn\'t said ONE WORD about MGSX
... Heh.
http://xbox.ign.com/news/33234.html
"You will definitely get better graphics with Xbox. With PlayStation 2, we had to create our own shadows with the software. With Xbox, the machine creates it for us, so we can use that little extra power for effects and stuff. So the Xbox version will probably look a little bit better."-Hideo Kojima
... "Xbox version"...
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Thank you, GunDam for shutting them up. Fanboys tend to get offended easily and like to jump to conclusions that aren\'t even there.
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Thank you, GunDam for shutting them up. Fanboys tend to get offended easily and like to jump to conclusions that aren\'t even there.
Oh and you\'re not jumping into conclusions are you? :rolleyes:
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Welcome, DX.
Originally posted by ViVi
Oh and you\'re not jumping into conclusions are you? :rolleyes:
Hes not. Hes speculating, not claiming that the Xbox version of MGS2 will help realize Kojima\'s vision of MGS2 that he originally had.
Oh, and your avatar isn\'t working... I can upload the picture for you if you want.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Oh and you\'re not jumping into conclusions are you? :rolleyes:
*lol*
Exacly! :D
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Originally posted by fastson
*lol*
Exacly! :D
-_-; See above.
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Bah, i was never implying that. I am not a damn sony fanboy if you think i am Nu and also DirectX, man i am as eagar about xbox as you are. Jeez, your implying that i am a sony fanboy posing as a Xbox fan? Bah, 300 dollars for an Xbox is not that much, and i personally can\'t wait until Nov 8th. Its going to be a sweet day for us gamers. So, Nu Gundam, and DXB, sorry if i made myself sound like a fanboy. and Nu, you brought alot of info to my attention. Thanks alot:)
EDIT: Look at my last line on my first post. I said Long Live Xbox:D
Bah, i own a PS2 and plan on getting the other 2 systems some time down the road, does that make me a fanboy????
Also, DirectXbox, do you have a way i can contact you, i have a couple of PS2 fanboy friends that need to be shut up, and i figure you can give me some VALID info that will shut them up. I have AIM, ICQ or MSN, which do you have?
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
In the latest issue of EGM there was a quote at the top of the page and I don\'t have the issue with me right now, but it said something along the lines that Hideo Kojima was only able to realize 20% of what he wanted to do with MGS2 on the PS2 (likely because of hardware/time/money limitations). Where\'s the other 80%? Well, we already know that MGSX is "beyond" MGS2 so there\'s a great possibility that MGSX is 80% more than the PS2 version. Microsoft may have or probably will provide Kojima with more $$$ to include what he wants to include. You know, stuff like when the light shines on you the guards spot you like Kojima originally wanted to do. However, when they ran the algorithm, the game slowed down severly to the point where it was unplayable. Since Xbox has a seperate graphics unit, the CPU can be fully devoted to this complex algorithm.
Hell, if MGSX is indeed the other 80% of the game, then that is reason enough to buy both the PS2 and Xbox versions or skip the PS2 version altogether. This also may prove why Hideo is so mum about MGSX. He knows that if people found out that the Xbox version is the more complete version, then they may skip out on the PS2 version altoghether and that could seriously hit Konami\'s pocketbook. I do believe that there is a strong possibility that MGSX is the version Kojima himself had in mind when he came up with the concept. However, he can\'t say anything about it because it could hamper sales of the PS2 (incomplete) version.
Note: The EGM quote can be found in the MGS2 "Press Start" feature at the top of one of the pages.
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Man you XBox fanboys crack me up.
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DirectX, I think you\'re kinda jumping to conclusions. Mr. Kojima said somthing similar after MGS was finished. The man is, for lack of a better word, over-ambitious. And I can\'t wait to see what he can do on a system 2 or three generations from now. But for now, let\'s enjoy MGS2. And your port.
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I don\'t understand you guys. DX was simply taking a quote and then speculating on what it could mean. He was not saying that MGSX will be the gurantee\'d 80% of what the PS2 didn\'t get. He simply speculated that it could mean that. Key word here: Speculation . Did he jump to conclusions alittle bit? Yes. But it was all presented as speculation. Nothing more. And after all, I think we are all guilty of jumping to conclusions now and then.
There is no reason to get all fussy about it.
I also don\'t understand why some of you are so defensive on if MGS2 does go multi-platform in some form or another. Does it really matter? It is just a videogame. If by some chance, it went multi-platform and the Xbox got a better version, then that is good for gaming, isn\'t it? It means a great game will have only got better. And if it doesn\'t, then you still have an excellent game on the PS2. Either way, a great game is coming out for us gamers to play.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I don\'t understand you guys. DX was simply taking a quote and then speculating on what it could mean. He was not saying that MGSX will be the gurantee\'d 80% of what the PS2 didn\'t get. He simply speculated that it could mean that. Key word here: Speculation . Did he jump to conclusions alittle bit? Yes. But it was all presented as speculation. Nothing more. And after all, I think we are all guilty of jumping to conclusions now and then.
There is no reason to get all fussy about it.
I also don\'t understand why some of you are so defensive on if MGS2 does go multi-platform in some form or another. Does it really matter? It is just a videogame. If by some chance, it went multi-platform and the Xbox got a better version, then that is good for gaming, isn\'t it? It means a great game will have only got better. And if it doesn\'t, then you still have an excellent game on the PS2. Either way, a great game is coming out for us gamers to play.
Reason for a MAJORITY of the sony fanboys getting mad for MGS going Multiplatform. Well, most of them have no good reason, and seeing this game go multiplatform would really do the series some justice, and it would reach far many more ppl. Personally i am all for the MULTIPLATFORM MGS, rather then keeping it on PS2 for the whole time being. I now relize why i was getting called a fanboy, its because of what i said. I did not pay attention to the fact that DX was simply SPECULATING on what the quote says. Sorry everyone. It\'s always good to speculate isn\'t it:D
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I\'m not really mad or disapointed MGS is going to other consoles/PC or what ever .... Didn\'t Hideo Kojima say that he won\'t make any more MGS titles? :D This is like a farewell for MGS and a way to milk more money from gamers... :D
Just my opinion, i could be wrong, i have been wrong before :D
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What annoys me is that all you XBox guys think XBox is sooooo much more powerful than PS2 that Kojima would be able to get the full 100% into MGSX. Kojima is, as Weltall said, overambitious. What he imagined for MGS2 probably won\'t be possible until the next generation of game consoles, or the next....or the next.
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You guys need to relaxe. You completely forgot what we were arguing; this paragraph and if Hideo was implying that the Xbox would use the other 80%. Now lets see what he actually said.
[Metal Gear Solid 2] is definitely going in the right direction, but when we started planning the game, way before we got the tools for the PS2, we had all these ideas we wanted to implement. What we were able to realize in this game is only about 20 percent of what we initially came up with.
All right, how the fack can anyone start speculating that the Xbox version will use the other 80% after just reading that???
Ok, I can quote Hideo two times to completely prove this DirectX moron wrong.
1. Konami wouldn\'t start working on MGSX until he\'s completely the PS2 version. In case all have you had been mentally ill for a while, THE PS2 VERSION IS NOT COMPLETE YET! Therefor, he hasen\'t he begun to put some serious work into MGSX which means he\'s totally unaware of what he can do on the Xbox. Does anyone think the Xbox will be able to do 80% of what Hideo imagined after reading that? Well here\'s more.
2. Didn\'t he say all three systems were similar in terms of power?(yes he did) Do you actually think he\'ll be able to accomplish the other 80% of what he imagined on Xbox if it\'s not that much more powerful than PS2? NO! NO! NO! MGS2 is basically a masterpiece, accomplishing any more than Hideo did would be an enormous struggle in it\'s own. It almost pushes PS2\'s graphical capabilities to the max, and it\'s AI is uncomparable to any other game. There is NO WAY in hell the Xbox can accomplish Hideo full vision of MGSX after seeing what the PS2 version accomplished if the Xbox isn\'t that much more powerful.
ARGUMENT OVER.
*does victory dance*
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Thank you, GunDam for shutting them up. Fanboys tend to get offended easily and like to jump to conclusions that aren\'t even there.
Calmn down, and I always get a good laugh when you call someone else a fanboy
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Originally posted by Jumpman
You guys need to relaxe. You completely forgot what we were arguing; this paragraph and if Hideo was implying that the Xbox would use the other 80%. Now lets see what he actually said.
All right, how the fack can anyone start speculating that the Xbox version will use the other 80% after just reading that???
Ok, I can quote Hideo two times to completely prove this DirectX moron wrong.
1. Konami wouldn\'t start working on MGSX until he\'s completely the PS2 version. In case all have you had been mentally ill for a while, THE PS2 VERSION IS NOT COMPLETE YET! Therefor, he hasen\'t he begun to put some serious work into MGSX which means he\'s totally unaware of what he can do on the Xbox. Does anyone think the Xbox will be able to do 80% of what Hideo imagined after reading that? Well here\'s more.
2. Didn\'t he say all three systems were similar in terms of power?(yes he did) Do you actually think he\'ll be able to accomplish the other 80% of what he imagined on Xbox if it\'s not that much more powerful than PS2? NO! NO! NO! MGS2 is basically a masterpiece, accomplishing any more than Hideo did would be an enormous struggle in it\'s own. It almost pushes PS2\'s graphical capabilities to the max, and it\'s AI is uncomparable to any other game. There is NO WAY in hell the Xbox can accomplish Hideo full vision of MGSX after seeing what the PS2 version accomplished if the Xbox isn\'t that much more powerful.
ARGUMENT OVER.
*does victory dance*
Thanks you Jumpman. You have basically summarized everything that I said in both the MGSX-related threads. Its nice to see someone with a brain bigger than the size of a pea (I\'m not talking about everyone, just some especially ignorant people).
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Originally posted by Jumpman
1. Konami wouldn\'t start working on MGSX until he\'s completely the PS2 version. In case all have you had been mentally ill for a while, THE PS2 VERSION IS NOT COMPLETE YET! Therefor, he hasen\'t he begun to put some serious work into MGSX which means he\'s totally unaware of what he can do on the Xbox. Does anyone think the Xbox will be able to do 80% of what Hideo imagined after reading that? Well here\'s more.
In the MGS2 spread in NextGen a little while ago Hideo said that they already had teams working on MGSX. He also said that most of their resources were working on MGS2.
Originally posted by Jumpman
2. Didn\'t he say all three systems were similar in terms of power?(yes he did) Do you actually think he\'ll be able to accomplish the other 80% of what he imagined on Xbox if it\'s not that much more powerful than PS2? NO! NO! NO! MGS2 is basically a masterpiece, accomplishing any more than Hideo did would be an enormous struggle in it\'s own. It almost pushes PS2\'s graphical capabilities to the max, and it\'s AI is uncomparable to any other game. There is NO WAY in hell the Xbox can accomplish Hideo full vision of MGSX after seeing what the PS2 version accomplished if the Xbox isn\'t that much more powerful.
Why wouldn\'t he be able to accomplish more on the Xbox? That is only logical to assume that. Most of the effects on the PS2 require extra time, effort, and resources to implement; because they have to code all of them themselves. THe Xbox has all of those effects built in to their hardware AND a built in HDD. The HDD alone gives this game unlimited potential. If Konami were to make MGS2 for both consoles, the Xbox version should look significantly better. Everything from the textures to the models. I don\'t think there should be any argument there. Right now, Xbox games should look better than PS2 games; but when better PS2 development tools arrive that MAY be a different story.
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Gohan, all Jumpy was saying is that if Hideo Kojima said all systems were similar in that means he seriously doubts they could do so much more with it
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In the MGS2 spread in NextGen a little while ago Hideo said that they already had teams working on MGSX. He also said that most of their resources were working on MGS2.
Do you honestly believe that the minority his teams would accomplish 100% of what he imagined MGS2 could be with MGSX?
Why wouldn\'t he be able to accomplish more on the Xbox? That is only logical to assume that.
Of course, I never said it couldn\'t. I merely said that 100% of what Hideo imagined is out of the question since he managed to get 20% on PS2 which isn\'t that weaker in terms of power compared to the Xbox.
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If all you are talking about is a graphical upgrade, then I can assure you Hideo will accomplish that considering the power and ease of developement of the Xbox. If you are actually talking about realizing his full 100% vision, then keep on dreaming! Haha....
Tell me this. Why don\'t Hideo just slap a number 3 on the game and then sell another billion softwares. Why call it Metal Gear 2 upgrade when it is indeed 80% BETTER/MORE than the PS2 counterpart. It doesn\'t make any sense. I doubt Metal Gear X(an upgraded port) will, at the most, probably see an additional level and a slight upgrade in the graphics department and nothing more. 80% is way too much and only wishful thinking. It would be better to use those ideas on the sequels than just a simple upgrade.
Another thing.....
Would you really want him to realize his full 100% vision for the Xbox port? The game would take too long to make(probably another 2 years), and by then Konami will probably be talking about an MGS3. It would be smarter to just port the regular MGS2 with a slight upgrade in graphics and more levels. That way there will be an Xbox version not too long after the PS2 one.
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MGSX is NOT an upgrade of MGS2 Hideo said that his teams have already started calling it MGS1.5 which leads me to believe that the story falls between MGS and MGS2.
BTW, Jumpman, I was just saying that they have some of their guys working on MGSX I\'m sure everyone is going to work on it once MGS2 is finished.
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i apoligize for reading it wrong, and hideo did say this though it dosent matter what console hes using nothing will be able to do his full biddings!Keep that in mind.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
2. Didn\'t he say all three systems were similar in terms of power?(yes he did)
But he always says that! Check out any interview at anytime and Hideo says the same thing when asked about the power of current/new consoles.
He speaks from the point of view of a games designer, and from that point of view, all the consoles are the same to him. He\'s not saying the XBox, PS2 and GC are actually the same in terms of power, but that they offer him about the same in terms of the games he wants to design.
Here\'s an interview from last year;
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/feature.cfm?sid=1723
Hideo: "However, the hardware capabilities (graphics, processing speed, etc.) among PS2, DC, and Dolphin do not differ that much. The same is true with Internet and DVD-playing capabilities."
Hmmm.... So, does this really mean the power between the Dreamcast, GameCube and PS2 are all about the same?
No, he says;
"What makes the difference is how we creators make use of these machines to their maximum capabilities."
That\'s the point!.
Hence when Hideo says all the consoles are the same, he doesn\'t mean it literally. ;)
(That\'s all from me for now. :))