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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: on July 07, 2001, 07:13:06 PM
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alright most of you guys should agree with me that PS2 will remain as the best console!
(if you dont tell me who u think is and why)
well there are many reasons why PS2 is the best out of all the consoles, but the main reason is the PS2s library of games!
come on compare GC and XBOX games to PS2
PS2 has the best games on any console!
here is just some of the games
FFX, MGS2, Silent Hill2, Devil May Cry, Virtua Fighter4, Maximo, Jax and Dexter, Gran Turismo3 and i could go on but this post is long enough as it is.
These games will make PS2 victorious.
Now we have GC and XBOX.
GC has the games that will make it a great system like PS2.
They have Mario, PSOver2, Madden,Luigis Mansion,Super Smash Brothers Melee,Zelda and Metroid and many more.
The XBOX how ever is a different story. So far the game that XBOX ahs that i really want is Dead or Alive 3.
But on the other hand PS2 will have Tekken4, Soul Caliber2, and Virtua Fighter4.
I see the systems rank as:
#1-PS2
#2-Gamecube
#3-XBOX
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK!
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#2. . . PSX!
J/K :nerd:
So, basically we\'re taking PS2 out of the picture for a moment to argue about the other systems. . . interesting.
I would hope gamecube, that would enforce my ideals of tradition.
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I think this is like every other thread. People trying to predict which console will take number 2 and 3 while assuming PS2 will take number 1. Then an Xbox fan will come in and say that Xbox has a chance for number 1. From there, we will get into the debate about how "kiddy" Nintendo is, while we all forget that we can\'t predict the future and its just games. Enjoy \'em.
;)
Thats just my opinion on who would be number one though...
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2001
This year I would bet on the following standings
PS2
GC
XBox
why? cause PS2 is established at this point, plus great looking games are coming out for it. I think when the GC + XBox come out, they will fight over the Christmas shopping spree, right? So i would say, that the Price, and name of Nintendo will do better then XBox. IMO.
2002
I don\'t really have a crystal ball, so this is just my Opinion, and since i like to bet, I’m betting on the following:
PS2
XBox
GC
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Originally posted by The Game 068
alright most of you guys should agree with me that PS2 will remain as the best console!
(if you dont tell me who u think is and why)
well there are many reasons why PS2 is the best out of all the consoles, but the main reason is the PS2s library of games!
come on compare GC and XBOX games to PS2
PS2 has the best games on any console!
here is just some of the games
FFX, MGS2, Silent Hill2, Devil May Cry, Virtua Fighter4, Maximo, Jax and Dexter, Gran Turismo3 and i could go on but this post is long enough as it is.
These games will make PS2 victorious.
Funny how you are saying games that are not even out will make ps2 victorious. I mean GT3 and MGS2 are the givens but the others are all a toss up.
And FYI: XBOx HAS Silent hill 2,MGSX,PROJECT ego,Bruce Lee:quest of dragon,Panzier dragon,Project Gotham, Doa3,Munch, and Malice just to name a few games.
We don\'t how all this is going to come out. I mean I think XboX has some great games that will be able to compete with anything ps2 has to offer. And you are speculating that gamecube games won\'t measure up either. I mean Luigis mansion,Starfox, Star wars, Residnt Evil 0 just to name a few could all turn out to be killers.
Who is too say. I guess it is all a matter of opinion because it\'s not like anything we say in a forum matters anyway.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I think this is like every other thread. People trying to predict which console will take number 2 and 3 while assuming PS2 will take number 1. Then an Xbox fan will come in and say that Xbox has a chance for number 1. From there, we will get into the debate about how "kiddy" Nintendo is, while we all forget that we can\'t predict the future and its just games. Enjoy \'em.
;)
Thats just my opinion on who would be number one though...
LOL..I agree. Why don\'t we all just say it will be equal amoung all 3 or very....very..close.
ps2 33%
xbox30%
gcn 27%
If the market comes out like this then there is no need to debate because they are so close when the few percentages won\'t matter. Then we all would be happy:)
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Originally posted by XBOX
LOL..I agree. Why don\'t we all just say it will be equal amoung all 3 or very....very..close.
ps2 33%
xbox30%
gcn 27%
If the market comes out like this then there is no need to debate because they are so close when the few percentages won\'t matter. Then we all would be happy:)
Where is the other 10% ?
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Where is the other 10% ?
LOL...i GUESS I can\'t count.
ps2 35%
xbox33%
gcn 32%
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Originally posted by XBOX
And FYI: XBOx HAS Silent hill 2,MGSX,PROJECT ego,Bruce Lee:quest of dragon,Panzier dragon,Project Gotham, Doa3,Munch, and Malice just to name a few games.
1) MGSX is not official
2) Wait, wasn\'t Silent Hill 2 a "toss up"?
3) Bruce Lee: Quest of Dragon?... what is with you and this game?
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GameCube
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1. PS2 (MGS2, Final fantasy, GT3. Need I say more?)
2. Gamecube ( Mario, Donkey, Zelda, Rare. Need I say
more here?)
3.XBOX (Umm.....umm...lets see....umm.....oh yeah DOA3)
If you think about the first two consoles, great games easily come to mind however with XBOX it seems different. OK, DOA3 and then what? Malice? Not to say it won\'t be good but until it\'s actually proven good as how Mario has proven to be good over the years, you just don\'t know. I just think that XBOX is missing that special flavor to their games which I can\'t put my finger on.
I\'m not bashing XBOX because I will eventually get one. I think there\'s a lot of potential there
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LOL, yawn.....this whole thread is useless, How many times have we had this repetitive discussion. Just play damn games, and stop worrying who will be number 1, cause as far as I\'m concerned the number#1 console will be the one I enjoy the most, not the one other people think is the best. Hey if GC is the DA-bomb for you, then ENJOY and that\'s all that matters
PS. I got to try out GBA today, and damn that little toy is small. Heck they could have made it bigger, therefore having a bigger more shaper screen. Then again it was designed with the japs in mind, considering they like little tiny electronic toys.
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Its this simple..
2005
PS2- 50%
GC- 30%
xbox- 20%
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Hey faston, friend of mine was in sweeden, he said the woman there are just incredible looking. They are very beautiful, only thing he said was they wanted nothing to do with americans.
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I think, that Gamecube will be on the second place and XBox will on place 3.
I\'ver read in a (german) magazine that the XBox\'s Pad-design would be quite crappy. A console needs a well-designed pad to be successful.
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Originally posted by ViVi
1) MGSX is not official
2) Wait, wasn\'t Silent Hill 2 a "toss up"?
3) Bruce Lee: Quest of Dragon?... what is with you and this game?
For the last time MGSX is coming to XboX. And Silent hill 2 was shown on Xbox at e3. And Bruce Lee is a new action game being developed on Xbox. I think any game with bruce lee is gonna rock. He is the greatest fighter ever born.
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See, X-Box Games like Project Ego, Project Gotham, Malice, can turn out not to be great at all. I can start naming random names from PS2 and say those are going to be great. Like Air Blade, Dragon Rage, City Crisis, ect.
But I dont know about PS2 being #1. X-Box hasnt come out yet, and it will probably have alot of great games comming out.
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My prediction?
Bush starts a war.
PS2 0%
GC 0%
XB 0%
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Originally posted by XBOX
He is the greatest fighter ever born.
Thats arguable.
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Originally posted by SuupaBuu
See, X-Box Games like Project Ego, Project Gotham, Malice, can turn out not to be great at all. I can start naming random names from PS2 and say those are going to be great. Like Air Blade, Dragon Rage, City Crisis, ect.
But I dont know about PS2 being #1. X-Box hasnt come out yet, and it will probably have alot of great games comming out.
Those PS2 games can turn out to be ****e too.
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Originally posted by XBOX
For the last time MGSX is coming to XboX.
Really?... Okay, give me proof that is straight from Hideo\'s mouth that isn\'t a speculation and is a clear fact.
Originally posted by XBOX
And Silent hill 2 was shown on Xbox at e3.
I know that, but you said that only MGS2 and GT3 are given AAA titles. But when you started naming XBOX titles you said SH2, which you called a "toss up." What makes XBOX turn it into from a "toss up" to a given?
Originally posted by XBOX
And Bruce Lee is a new action game being developed on Xbox. I think any game with bruce lee is gonna rock. He is the greatest fighter ever born.
geez, man we haven\'t even seen any gameplay!
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Originally posted by ViVi
Really?... Okay, give me proof that is straight from Hideo\'s mouth that isn\'t a speculation and is a clear fact.
I know that, but you said that only MGS2 and GT3 are given AAA titles. But when you started naming XBOX titles you said SH2, which you called a "toss up." What makes XBOX turn it into from a "toss up" to a given?
geez, man we haven\'t even seen any gameplay!
Quite frankly it was confirmed to being made on Xbox a long time ago. And I don\'t feel like looking up the link. And second this is getting real old. And I am tired of debating over this because it will get you nowhere. It is all based on what ppl think. And you don\'t get anywhere debating what ppl think. Until we all actually know how this console thing is going to come out we can\'t say. I am finished with these thread and debate.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Really?... Okay, give me proof that is straight from Hideo\'s mouth that isn\'t a speculation and is a clear fact.
While I guess there\'s no proof, MS stated (they would know too) that MGSX is \'beyond\' MGS2. That rules out MGS1. That leaves a better MGS2 or MGS3. Kojima has also talked about how XB is to develop for. He would only know if he\'s done it. You have to use logic here... do you really think he\'s developing MGS2 and MGS3 at the same time? Not very likely. That leaves MGSX\'s only possibility; a enhanced MGS2. Use your brain...
Originally posted by ViVi
I know that, but you said that only MGS2 and GT3 are given AAA titles. But when you started naming XBOX titles you said SH2, which you called a "toss up." What makes XBOX turn it into from a "toss up" to a given?
SH2/X is a AAA game. It isn\'t a system seller by name though, it needs good marketing. With good marketing, it has the potental to be a system seller.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I think this is like every other thread. People trying to predict which console will take number 2 and 3 while assuming PS2 will take number 1. Then an Xbox fan will come in and say that Xbox has a chance for number 1. From there, we will get into the debate about how "kiddy" Nintendo is, while we all forget that we can\'t predict the future and its just games. Enjoy \'em.
;)
Thats just my opinion on who would be number one though...
preach it livin!!!!!!
i dont know how many times i have come into these newbie threads and debated for hours. i dont know how many times ive gone into tHe GaMe \'s threads and told him to stop making stupid thread names such as
"now that the ps2 has a lock on the console industry, whats next for them"
or, "now that sony has held back microsoft, what will microsoft do?"
exc...exc...
i think i should go and find out how many of these threads have been made.
wait, isnt the guy who started this thread named "the game", oh great, we got cousins..
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Originally posted by Krimson
While I guess there\'s no proof, MS stated (they would know too) that MGSX is \'beyond\' MGS2. That rules out MGS1. That leaves a better MGS2 or MGS3. Kojima has also talked about how XB is to develop for. He would only know if he\'s done it. You have to use logic here... do you really think he\'s developing MGS2 and MGS3 at the same time? Not very likely. That leaves MGSX\'s only possibility; a enhanced MGS2. Use your brain...
Hahahahahah! :laughing:
Use my brain?! You didn\'t give me proof! Wheres the link?
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I hate it when fanboys make these topics.
alright most of you guys should agree with me that PS2 will remain as the best console!
I think this has been posted by Nplayr before.....
come on compare GC and XBOX games to PS2
PS2 has the best games on any console!
You forgot the IMO.
PS: Notice that the uninformed don\'t know how to write sentences with capital letters at the beginning and leaving out some of the periods.
Here is just some of the games
FFX, MGS2, Silent Hill2, Devil May Cry, Virtua Fighter4, Maximo, Jax and Dexter, Gran Turismo3 and i could go on but this post is long enough as it is.
These games will make PS2 victorious.
The FF series has been losing its touch, I don\'t care for the MGS series, even though all my friends were all hyped about it, I\'ve never played or seen DMC so I can\'t really comment on it, Virtua Fighter 4 could still be a multiplatform game(if I\'m wrong tell me), never heard of Maximo, J&D seems to be all about doing the graphical side with the 10 mpps and it doesn\'t intrest me, GT3 looks good but.... It only has 6 cars on the track so they sacrifice the gameply of having 8 cars to getting the graphics pushed out of it. Yes I know GT3 has always had 6 cars but I personally like 8 or more.
Now for the GC list of games:
Rogue Leader, Super Smash Brothers, Wave Race, Kameo. Eternal Darkness, Mario Kart, Too Human, Metriod Prime, Luigi\'s Mansion, Pikmin, Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong, and more. Those are just some of the exclusives that GC is getting. Also, Enix has openly said in the past that they\'re not happy with the design of the Playstation 2. Seemingly, it looks like they\'ll be coming home to Nintendo even if Yamauchi did refuse Square.
That was in part of an article where 2 different sources which were both "highly reliable", said that Dragon Warrior is comming home to Nintendo, the GBA, and GameCube.
I see the race as PS2 most of the way, and then in the Q3 of 2002, GameCube takes the lead and beats the PS2 by a very close margin of about 5%. But thats just me:D
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And FYI: XBOx HAS Silent hill 2,MGSX,PROJECT ego,Bruce Lee:quest of dragon,Panzier dragon,Project Gotham, Doa3,Munch, and Malice just to name a few games.
Dude some of thosegames cant promise you that they\'ll be great. Yeah, Doa3,silenthill2,mgsx are great games ,but what about the rest. many people havent heard of them and well the PS2 library like FFX, Devil May Cry, Maximo, all coming out a little before XBOX and after all have been played at game shows like E3 and they all proved they have the #@*! to make the PS2 the king ofsystems.
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The thing I\'m worried about is the console games getting patches because of MS. I thought for about 5 minutes about how MS can just screw everything in the console industry up... I just hope that Sony, Nintendo, and Sega can kick MS out of the industry and tell them to go home and stop trying to take our money. No offense XBox fans.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
The thing I\'m worried about is the console games getting patches because of MS. I thought for about 5 minutes about how MS can just screw everything in the console industry up... I just hope that Sony, Nintendo, and Sega can kick MS out of the industry and tell them to go home and stop trying to take our money. No offense XBox fans.
This can happen anytime you have a HD . Sony will have a HD.
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The thing I\'m worried about is the console games getting patches because of MS. I thought for about 5 minutes about how MS can just screw everything in the console industry up
Dear sir: what is your IQ 10?? ok maybe 20
LOL, yeah I can see you have been following the game industry lately. Patches???where do you come up with this stuff, there will be no patches for the XBOX it\'s a console not a PC (I bet you will make debate on this), get that through your head.
... I just hope that Sony, Nintendo, and Sega can kick MS out of the industry and tell them to go home and stop trying to take our money
"slaps himself in the head" You just can get any smarter can you Einstein. This is one of the most idiotic posts I HAVE EVER SEEN, at least nplayer had some intelligence going for him. Oh yeah Sony isn\'t in this to take our money, they want to give us the best games, so that it can improve our life style, and make life more enjoyable. Just look at the way ps2 was made, look at it\'s first year line up of games, SONY really had people\'s interest in mind. Now you wish that sega could kick MS out of the game industry when infect they are very strongly supporting XBOX. Just look at SEGA\'s US president, of all consoles he is really passionate about XBOX, just watch him speak in person you can see.
You know what\'s really funny, I remember when PS1 was coming out people were like, "what is SONY doing, they have no business in consoles, "go home sony" etc....
. No offense XBox fans.
LOL, none taken their boy genius.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Hahahahahah! :laughing:
Use my brain?! You didn\'t give me proof! Wheres the link?
Dammit! I said it wasn\'t proof. What link? The things MS and Kojima said are well known. And nothing I said was funny. Use your brain and reread my post. If it still doesn\'t make sense, remove current brain and insert working one.
And jedi... there will never be any patches for XB games.
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Originally posted by Krimson
Dammit! I said it wasn\'t proof. What link? The things MS and Kojima said are well known. And nothing I said was funny. Use your brain and reread my post. If it still doesn\'t make sense, remove current brain and insert working one.
And jedi... there will never be any patches for XB games.
I thought it was funny in a sarcastic way.
Defend you\'re statement that there will be no patches for XB games. You mean to tell me, that even though xbox has a hard drive, that it won\'t utilize it to fix errors in games found after production?
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
I thought it was funny in a sarcastic way.
Defend you\'re statement that there will be no patches for XB games. You mean to tell me, that even though xbox has a hard drive, that it won\'t utilize it to fix errors in games found after production?
Yes, I\'m saying that. MS has explicitly said so. PS2 is turning into more of a PC than XB ever could be.
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Accually my IQ is 151 just to let you know. Now on to this disscussion. Microsoft hasn\'t done anything to help the console industry yet. They have made a controller that takes a little bit off of the other 3, that controller doesn\'t have any innovation to it. Now they are PAYING developers to make games for the XBox. The XBox will might have patches, I maybe wrong. But patches could easily show up. I meant not to get yelled at for posting something like that because I wasn\'t going to try even to defend it because it wasn\'t based on anything we know about yet ok? "This can happen anytime you have a Harddrive."
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Originally posted by Krimson
Yes, I\'m saying that. MS has explicitly said so. PS2 is turning into more of a PC than XB ever could be.
Excuse me, but don\'t computers come with a hard drive initially? Hmmm, like xbox? Does PS2 require the use of a hard drive?
Where did xbox say "no patches?"
Oh, and Mr. Master, if IQ has anything to do with it, then why don\'t we send a letter to "Ask Marilyn?"
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Quotes from Jedi Master.
I hate it when fanboys make these topics.
If you hate these topics, why are you posting in them?
PS: Notice that the uninformed don\'t know how to write sentences with capital letters at the beginning and leaving out some of the periods.
Oh please, what are you doing talking about grammar?
The FF series has been losing its touch
Are these your true thoughts, or are you just regurgitating what you have heard others say?
GT3 looks good but.... It only has 6 cars on the track so they sacrifice the gameply of having 8 cars to getting the graphics pushed out of it. Yes I know GT3 has always had 6 cars but I personally like 8 or more.
Here you go once again milking this old tired excuse. I can\'t really argue with it, since it\'s your opinion. But I think you and I both know that that excuse is BS.
Now for the GC list of games:
Rogue Leader, Super Smash Brothers, Wave Race, Kameo. Eternal Darkness, Mario Kart, Too Human, Metriod Prime, Luigi\'s Mansion, Pikmin, Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong
Rogue Leader has nice graphics and the gameplay will probably be decent too. But I don\'t think it\'s a system seller.
Eternal Darkness is a Resident Evil clone, with a few twists thrown in.
I\'ve only seen FMV\'s of Too Human.
Things haven\'t been looking good for Metroid. Miyamoto himself wasn\'t satisfied with the way it\'s coming along.
Most people at E3 got the impression that Luigi\'s Mansion is boring.
And those last three haven\'t even been shown yet.
Those are just some of the exclusives that GC is getting. Also, Enix has openly said in the past that they\'re not happy with the design of the Playstation 2. Seemingly, it looks like they\'ll be coming home to Nintendo even if Yamauchi did refuse Square.
They also said that they are going to develop for the platforms with the largest user-base. And we all know that the ps2\'s user-base is and will be larger than that of the Gcube. Until Enix themselves officially say that they are developing for the Gcube, all those stories are just rumors.
That was in part of an article where 2 different sources which were both "highly reliable", said that Dragon Warrior is comming home to Nintendo, the GBA, and GameCube.
In other words, you heard a rumor that Enix was coming to the Gcube.
Accually my IQ is 151 just to let you know.
Just the fact that you would answer a question that stupid, shows that your IQ isn\'t 151. :cool:
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Once again, I must jump in to this argument because someone is completely clueless on the subject of GameCube\'s software.
Rogue Leader has nice graphics and the gameplay will probably be decent too. But I don\'t think it\'s a system seller.
The fact that there is barely a difference between the quality of graphics of the movies and the game will make it a system seller. And how would you know if the gameplay is descent? I doubt you were at E3 so you can\'t say how good or bad the game will be.
Eternal Darkness is a Resident Evil clone, with a few twists thrown in.
LOL! Eternal Darkness is more than just a RE clone. It borrows a few elements but aside from that they\'re completely different . I\'ve already thoroughly why numerious times but this time I don\'t feel like repeating myself. Do the reaserch next time instead of making uneducated assumptions.
I\'ve only seen FMV\'s of Too Human.
But wasn\'t this title supposed to appear on PSX about a couple of years ago? Surely you remember some of it, after all, the game was hyped up a lot.
Things haven\'t been looking good for Metroid. Miyamoto himself wasn\'t satisfied with the way it\'s coming along.
:laughing:
How long was that ago? Problems do get solved you know. And I doubt Miyamoto would let Retro Studios release a not magnificant Metroid title.
Most people at E3 got the impression that Luigi\'s Mansion is boring.
Bull****. It had the second largest line of people waiting to play it(RL being the first). It couldn\'t of been that boring. :rolleyes:
I take it you don\'t know too much about GameCube\'s games. That\'s fine, but please don\'t say something you can\'t back. If your clueless on the subject then don\'t even bother saying anything about it next time.
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Accually my IQ is 151 just to let you know. Now on to this disscussion. Microsoft hasn\'t done anything to help the console industry yet. They have made a controller that takes a little bit off of the other 3, that controller doesn\'t have any innovation to it. Now they are PAYING developers to make games for the XBox. The XBox will might have patches, I maybe wrong. But patches could easily show up. I meant not to get yelled at for posting something like that because I wasn\'t going to try even to defend it because it wasn\'t based on anything we know about yet ok? "This can happen anytime you have a Harddrive."
JediMasterbaiter since your new here let me say this. Psx2central is not IGN-forum so please stop talking through your ass. It\'s very obvious you not familiar with all three consoles, I can see this from posts. Stay around read the threads, you will learn alot about all three consoles, then you can actually have something worthwhile to say. I still can\'t get over the fact that you think SONY/nintendo are in it for us, and that MS is only in it for the MONEY. LOL
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The fact that there is barely a difference between the quality of graphics of the movies and the game will make it a system seller. And how would you know if the gameplay is descent? I doubt you were at E3 so you can\'t say how good or bad the game will be.
The graphics are nice, but I just can\'t see many people going crazy over it. I guess I\'ll come back to this when the game actually comes out. Then we\'ll see who\'s right.
LOL! Eternal Darkness is more than just a RE clone. It borrows a few elements but aside from that they\'re completely different . I\'ve already thoroughly why numerious times but this time I don\'t feel like repeating myself. Do the reaserch next time instead of making uneducated assumptions.
I have read numerous reports on the game. Sure they have thrown in a few new elements. But when it\'s all set and done, it\'s RE with different time periods and overrated fog.
How long was that ago? Problems do get solved you know. And I doubt Miyamoto would let Retro Studios release a not magnificant Metroid title.
Now who\'s making assumptions? I just love hypocrisy.
Bull****. It had the second largest line of people waiting to play it(RL being the first). It couldn\'t of been that boring.
Of course people lined up to play it. It was the closest thing to a Mario game at the show. But the fact still remains that many people have been saying that it gets really repetative real fast.
I take it you don\'t know too much about GameCube\'s games. That\'s fine, but please don\'t say something you can\'t back. If your clueless on the subject then don\'t even bother saying anything about it next time.
I know enough about the Gcubes games to know that I won\'t be missing much. Maybe you should apply some of that criticism onto yourself, and don\'t make assumptions. :cool:
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I wish I could take that one post back but I can\'t now, listen, I was speculating on the patches, OK? I am not from the IGN Boards at all. I would never go there at all. I am fully familiar with the PS2, and the XBox. Rest Assured. That JediMasterbaiter thing was one of the most childish things I have ever seen any gamer do.
Microsoft hasn\'t done anything to help the console industry yet. They have made a controller that takes a little bit off of the other 3, that controller doesn\'t have any innovation to it. Now they are PAYING developers to make games for the XBox.
Have they helped the industry of video gaming yet? They might down the road but not yet. The controller doesn\'t have any innovation, I\'m sure many people will agree with me. It has an analog stick, 4 buttons on the left. a camera stick. A D-Pad, shoulder buttons. Its all been done before. The PS2 controller didn\'t bring much innovation because it was the same as the PSX so there is something there about not making any innovation but I guess it was kind of an innovation to stick with the same controller into the next console generation.
And is Microsoft paying developers, yes they are. They are using money to lure developers to their system. That way, if SEGA made the XBox its main Sports platform, they can easily port the games that were made for free over to the other consoles. Good, discussion closed.
Yes, everyone is in it to make money. Many other PC companies who make software and other big companies in the PC industry say that MS really screwed up the computer generation. They say we could have had the Internet in \'85 if it wasn\'t for MS. While that maybe true or not, I just don\'t want them to screw up the console industry. MS never said anything about No patches for XBox games so we will wait and see. With a harddrive, many things can happen. The best thing that it could give the XBox would be updates for the NvidiaNV25 (I can\'t remember the exact name of the chip ). Nvidia has always been increasing performance with their detonator drivers so I\'m pretty sure they will have some upgrade for it.
Since I am bored I guess I will reply to Kenny\'s post.
The graphics are nice, but I just can\'t see many people going crazy over it. I guess I\'ll come back to this when the game actually comes out. Then we\'ll see who\'s right.
I can go crazy over it right now, but that\'s just because I\'m a Star Wars fan. I haven\'t played it but just seen the low quality videos of it and even its hard to judge by those. I just know that this game is going to be a system seller. Over at the http://www.TheForce.net boards they will now buy the Gamecube just for Rogue Leader. But now that they have it they will probably eventually pick up Zelda, Too Human, and others. So yes, it will be a system seller.
Now who\'s making assumptions? I just love hypocrisy.
Kenny, you an I well know that Miyamoto would never released a game that he is watching and directing some of it over the pacific, and make it just flop. He has always gone for quality in games.
Of course people lined up to play it. It was the closest thing to a Mario game at the show. But the fact still remains that many people have been saying that it gets really repetitive real fast.
This all falls back upon the fact that, "What you saw at E3 [, of Luigi\'s Mansion,] was like just seeing the courtyard outside peaches castle in Mario 64" There\'s a lot more that we don\'t know.
I know enough about the Gcubes games to know that I won\'t be missing much. Maybe you should apply some of that criticism onto yourself, and don\'t make assumptions.
Actually Jumpman he does know some stuff about Gamecube games, but not enough to fully back his arguments. (Thats the best help you\'ll ever get from me Kenny, or maybe if you give up Evolutionism and the Big Bang, then that would be the best help.)
Here you go once again milking this old tired excuse. I can\'t really argue with it, since it\'s your opinion. But I think you and I both know that that excuse is BS.
I am an individual, I do have my opinion. If it was BS I wouldn\'t back it. For some people it matters if their care was made in 1998 or 1999. There are a whole lot of excuses that are there are that are BS. But mine isn\'t an excuse, mine is an opinion. Based on what I like. I rest my case.
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Originally posted by Kenny--73
Rogue Leader has nice graphics and the gameplay will probably be decent too. But I don\'t think it\'s a system seller.
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I will buy this game just because i\'m a Starwars fan, an old Nintendo fan, and i like the Graphics. There system sold due to the game. :D
Eternal Darkness is a Resident Evil clone, with a few twists thrown in.
There are a lot of clones of clones of clones.
It does not matter, just because some are clones dont\' mean they are worthless. They might add and improve a genre. Like Half-Life did to FPS IMO.
Most people at E3 got the impression that Luigi\'s Mansion is boring.
I read a lot of press from E3, and read posts about it, not heard this one... can you link to this ?
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Excuse me, but don\'t computers come with a hard drive initially? Hmmm, like xbox? Does PS2 require the use of a hard drive?
Where did xbox say "no patches?"
Oh, and Mr. Master, if IQ has anything to do with it, then why don\'t we send a letter to "Ask Marilyn?"
1-Yes. And usually a modem, so thats 1, 2. 2 pcish things for Xbox.
PS2 has a HDD and Adapter coming out, thats 1, 2. 2 for PS2. But wait, they\'re upgrades. You upgrade PC\'s, usually you dont consoles. Thats 3. And then theres Real Player, AOL, etc apps for PS2. Thats 4. 4 PC leanings for PS2 vs 2 for XB. That makes PS2 more PC like.
2-I\'m under the impression that a Xbox can\'t announce anything... it\'s just a console... As for MS saying it, Ed Fries has said it many times. You can imagine with all the idiots who think MS is just a PC company, that question\'s come up a few times... I\'m not looking for a direct link, but check out TeamXbox or MSXbox and look through the interviews, I\'m sure you\'ll find it.
Jedi... who cares about your IQ? And the fact that MS hasn\'t \'done anything\' is no reason to diss them. They, like Sony with PSone, deserve a chance. And its common sense to copy the best aspects of other controllers. Kinda like Sony ripping off SNES\'s and 64\'s controllers/features....
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He just asked for it so I told him my IQ. I\'m just saying that MS hasn\'t added any innovation into the industry yet to really help it. Like I said, I wish I could take that post back but I can\'t.
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Originally posted by Krimson
1-Yes. And usually a modem, so thats 1, 2. 2 pcish things for Xbox.
PS2 has a HDD and Adapter coming out, thats 1, 2. 2 for PS2. But wait, they\'re upgrades. You upgrade PC\'s, usually you dont consoles. Thats 3. And then theres Real Player, AOL, etc apps for PS2. Thats 4. 4 PC leanings for PS2 vs 2 for XB. That makes PS2 more PC like.
2- [blah blah blah]
Kinda like Sony ripping off SNES\'s and 64\'s controllers/features....
1, they come in a box, just like a PC
2, they make pictures on a screen, just like a PC
3, people use some sort of perifial in which to give input, and the system spits out output, just like a pc
obviously, this PC-like-console argument is flawed.
I hereby charge you to do the dirty work to find a link to prove to me that xbox said no patches. (I\'m the one that needs to be convinced, and I don\'t like all that searching.)
Oh, and I thought the PS controller was out b/4 64? Were there pressure sensitive buttons on the 64 controller? How \'bout the snes controller? What exactly did SONY take from snes and 64?
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Sony took the shoulder buttons and doubled the amount of them, they took Nintendo\'s Analog stick and doubled the amount of those. Thats just what they took off. No bit deal. And I don\'t want to get into an arguemnt about it.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Sony took the shoulder buttons and doubled the amount of them, they took Nintendo\'s Analog stick and doubled the amount of those. Thats just what they took off. No bit deal. And I don\'t want to get into an arguemnt about it.
Oh! I would say that those were much needed improvements, not rip-offs. But an evolution in game controllers. Saying that it\'s a rip-off is like saying sega ripped off the cartidge idea from nintendo.
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The controller doesn\'t have any innovation,
Like the PSX2 controller does. Do you have any Idea how Sony came up with the basic design of the controller, they got it from Nintendo. Then Sony put\'s analog sticks on the controller, why: cause Nintendo did first. You accuse MS of taking there idea from others, did you forget sony did the same. Nintendo must feel flattered cause in the past of anyone deserved the title of innovation it would be nintendo
Have they helped the industry of video gaming yet? They might down the road but not yet. The controller doesn\'t
Yeah that\'s real fair saying that MS should be kicked out of the gamming business, cause they have not helped the industry yet. Well give them a chance first you idiot.
Second how has sony helped developers?? from what the developers are saying is that MS so far has proven to be the most helpful whenever any of the studio are having problems, alot more than sony. Sony only cares about there in house and close tie dev like SQUARE, polymere(or whatever) naughty dog.
And is Microsoft paying developers, yes they are. They are using money to lure developers to their system.
Ok you have truly proven that your are the stupidest person on this board, IQ of 150 my ass. MS is paying developers just like SONY does moron. Damn you don\'t know **** about the gamming world, if you did, you wouldn\'t have said that. It\'s business nothing more, MS and SONY knows this and will do whatever it takes to get developers on there side.
Yes, everyone is in it to make money. Many other PC companies who make software and other big companies in the PC industry say that MS really screwed up the computer generation. They say we could have had the Internet in \'85 if it wasn\'t for MS.
Yeah I see you’re an anti-Microsoft vigilante, and a BIG TIME SONY FANBOY, no doubt about that. Oh and what a pile of BS saying MS screwed the pc industry. MS help it grow to what it is today, if it wasn\'t for BILL gates the internet wouldn\'t be nearly what it is today, everyone played a part in the computer revolution and the internet, but MS had big part in there, don\'t ever forget that. Yeah leave it to STEVE JOBS!!!no way man. All people do is look at the negitive aspects of bill gates and his company and forget about all the good things he has done. Also I don\'t see sony donating billions of dollars to starving kids, and donating computers to schools to help childern learn. All that money Bill donated came right out of his pocket. What has sony done, besides give us cheap, poor quality audio and electronic products. They only make good TV\'s and cams.
I just don\'t want them to screw up the console industry. MS never said anything about No patches for XBox games so we will wait and see.
Ok now you are getting to be real annoying, YOU SIR know absolutely **** about the gaming WORLD. MS said no patches period. If patches were allowed then HALO would be online, which it will no longer be. Why don\'t you go back to the IGN forums, cause you sound just like the people over there.
The best thing that it could give the XBox would be updates for the NvidiaNV25 (I can\'t remember the exact name of the chip ). Nvidia has always been increasing performance with their detonator drivers so I\'m pretty sure they will have some upgrade for it.
How many times do I have to say this XBOX is not a PC. It\'s a fixed platform, there will be no need for driver updates.
I just don\'t want them to screw up the console industry.
Yeah that\'s really going to happen junior.
So please don\'t bother to respond, cause I will not post back as I have waisted enough of my free time.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Like the PSX2 controller does. Do you have any Idea how Sony came up with the basic design of the controller, they got it from Nintendo. Then Sony put\'s analog sticks on the controller, why: cause Nintendo did first. You accuse MS of taking there idea from others, did you forget sony did the same. Nintendo must feel flattered cause in the past of anyone deserved the title of innovation it would be nintendo
. . .
So please don\'t bother to respond, cause I will not post back as I have waisted enough of my free time.
Well just step on my toes! As stated in the post just before yours (I\'m giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were typing yours whilst I was typing mine). I think that the design has to be based on something, and then made better. That\'s how we get so many different consoles to compete with in the first place!
The innovation belongs to SONY, they did what Nintendo hadn\'t thought of.
I don\'t know why I\'m bothering a rebuttal. From the sound of your post, I wouldn\'t want you to waste your time reading other people\'s opinions!
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The innovation belongs to SONY, they did what Nintendo hadn\'t thought of.
than with that notion, the innovation belongs to MS or whom ever makes a controller. Also what did sony do that Nintendo didn\'t think of?????
From the sound of your post, I wouldn\'t want you to waste your time reading other people\'s opinions!
That makes no sense you probably ment to say this
"I wouldn\'t want you to waste your time making you reading other people\'s opinions, such as mine"
There, that makes sense, oh and yes I probably was typing my post while you posted
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The graphics are nice, but I just can\'t see many people going crazy over it. I guess I\'ll come back to this when the game actually comes out. Then we\'ll see who\'s right.
A lot of people will buy games just judging on graphics. Example: Bouncer.
But we will see this fall. Though I doubt I\'m wrong. :)
I have read numerous reports on the game. Sure they have thrown in a few new elements. But when it\'s all set and done, it\'s RE with different time periods and overrated fog.
Please, it\'s obvious you have no clue what your talking about. Of course the games features RE elements, but it perfects them and has major differences in gameplay and story that seperate the two games. Just read this preview.
http://nintensity.com/previews/eternaldarkness.html
Calling it a clone is simply idiotic.
Now who\'s making assumptions? I just love hypocrisy.
I knew you would say something like that but I was prepared for it when I wrote it.
The truth is, it would seriously damage Nintendo\'s reputation for releasing an only descent Metroid game. Nintendo and Miyamoto simply won\'t release the game until it\'s up to his standards. You want examples of this? Mario 64 and Zelda:OOT, two acclaimed games which were both delayed quite a few times. If Mario or Zelda was only descent, then people would start to lose faith in Nintendo. The same applies to Metroid, it is a very recognizable and important franchise for Nintendo too.
Call that an assumption if you please, but atleast it\'s an educated one, unlike yours.
Of course people lined up to play it. It was the closest thing to a Mario game at the show. But the fact still remains that many people have been saying that it gets really repetative real fast.
Many people also said the game was fun and addictive, so I guess that evens it out in the end.
I know enough about the Gcubes games to know that I won\'t be missing much. Maybe you should apply some of that criticism onto yourself, and don\'t make assumptions
LOL. There is a major difference between an assumption, and an educated or informed assumption.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
han with that said the innovation belongs to MS or whom ever makes a controller. Also what did sony do that Nintendo didn\'t think of?????
No, just yours!!! two can play at this game LMAO!
Hardy har har!
Um, by doubling the number of shoulder buttons and anologue sticks. Shaping it to better conform to one\'s hands. Having two independent points for vibration. (A lot of doubling and 2\'s). <- That\'s what Nintendo didn\'t think of. Oh, and pressure sensitive buttons.
And yes, the innovative title does move to future improvements of the controller.
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The truth is, it would seriously damage Nintendo\'s reputation for releasing an only descent Metroid game. Nintendo and Miyamoto simply won\'t release the game until it\'s up to his standards. You want examples of this? Mario 64 and Zelda:OOT, two acclaimed games which were both delayed quite a few times. If Mario or Zelda was only descent, then people would start to lose faith in Nintendo. The same applies to Metroid, it is a very recognizable and important franchise for Nintendo too
So TRUE! what is that famous quote that Miyamoto said?
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Hey Troglodyte, you quoted me before I was finished that post, go back and read it again.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
So TRUE! what is that famous quote that Miyamoto said?
Be more specific. He says a lot of things.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Hey Troglodyte, you quoted me before I was finished that post, go back and read it again.
Yep, a little better, my sentence was fragmented, wasn\'t it! But I think I like your original post better! ;)
So, now I\'m confused, where do we stand on this subject? Did we agree yet?
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Like the PSX2 controller does. Do you have any Idea how Sony came up with the basic design of the controller, they got it from Nintendo. Then Sony put\'s analog sticks on the controller, why: cause Nintendo did first. You accuse MS of taking there idea from others, did you forget sony did the same. Nintendo must feel flattered cause in the past of anyone deserved the title of innovation it would be nintendo
Yes Nintendo started it all. Accaully The days of Atari were the starting points but Nintendo added a lot of innovation in the NES and SNES days.
Yeah that\'s real fair saying that MS should be kicked out of the gamming business, cause they have not helped the industry yet. Well give them a chance first you idiot.
Second how has sony helped developers?? from what the developers are saying is that MS so far has proven to be the most helpful whenever any of the studio are having problems, alot more than sony. Sony only cares about there in house and close tie dev like SQUARE, polymere(or whatever) naughty dog.
Yeah I said that they hadden\'t contributed yet. In giving new innovations in the controller yet.
Ok you have truly proven that your are the stupidest person on this board, IQ of 150 my ass. MS is paying developers just like SONY does moron. Damn you don\'t know **** about the gamming world, if you did, you wouldn\'t have said that. It\'s business nothing more, MS and SONY knows this and will do whatever it takes to get developers on there side.
I\'ll give you 2 blasted links here.
Blasted Link No. 1 (http://cube.ign.com/news/36306.html)
Blasted Link No.2 (http://www.tendobox.com/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?category=3&id=994210800)
Yeah I see you’re an anti-Microsoft vigilante, and a BIG TIME SONY FANBOY, no doubt about that. Oh and what a pile of BS saying MS screwed the pc industry. MS help it grow to what it is today, if it wasn\'t for BILL gates the internet wouldn\'t be nearly what it is today, everyone played a part in the computer revolution and the internet, but MS had big part in there, don\'t ever forget that. Yeah leave it to STEVE JOBS!!!no way man. All people do is look at the negitive aspects of bill gates and his company and forget about all the good things he has done. Also I don\'t see sony donating billions of dollars to starving kids, and donating computers to schools to help childern learn. All that money Bill donated came right out of his pocket. What has sony done, besides give us cheap, poor quality audio and electronic products. They only make good TV\'s and cams.
If I am anything I am a Nintendo Loyalist. I\'m hardly a Sony fanboy dumbass, look at my signature. I should know about all the PC industry. The drag and drop, cut and paste on it was developed by my cousin for Microsoft. He retired in \'95 because MS was becomming a pain to work for so he retired. I can prove all this to you too. If you have a computer with Win 95. Go to caculator, then help, then about calculator, it says that it was developed for MS by Kraig Brockschmidt. Who is my cousin, not second cousin or anything but a 1st cousin. The reason he got that was because he was only 18 when he made the calculator and he wasn\'t working for MS yet so they had to insert that in there because he didn\'t develop it when he was emplyod. I bet you won\'t belive me but Its the truth, regardless of what you think. If there anyone who knows about MS, its him. And hes told me and he is sure as heck smarter then both of us.
Ok Mr,now you are getting to be real annoying, YOU SIR know absolutely **** about the gaming WORLD. MS said no patches period. If patches were allowed then HALO would be online, which it will no longer be. Why don\'t you go back to the IGN forums, cause you sound just like the people over there.
I don\'t come from the IGN boards. I come from somewhere that is medium populated but enough to keep the XBox fans out and there are only 2 other Sony fans there and many smart Nintendo fans there ok.
How many times do I have to say this XBOX is not a PC. It\'s a fixed platform, there will be no need for driver updates.
Driver updates would improve the XBox\'s framerate dramatically. The detonator drivers improve my Geforce 2 significantly.
So please don\'t bother to respond, cause I will not post back as I have waisted enough of my free time.
I have t respond to BS when I see it, expessially when its directed at me.
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Man nobody is never goint to get anywhere in this thread. Everyone is just going to keep quoting everyone and debating what you say over and over. Because some ppl feels so strongly about ps2 being number one and killing everything like sony is their daddy. Or Your like me hell of defending the underdawg XboX because it has a shot at being the best. Or your a die hard nintendo fanatic who thinks nintendo is the best and the whole world should too.
EDIT: In anycase I have come to understand that we all like different things about each console and we may feel strongly about one perticular one and where just going to have to respect that. Because nobodys mind is going to be change and this topic has been brought up so many....many times. I say until each console hits where just going to rack are brains trying to debate one another on this subject.
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Intersting, I actally believe you that your cousin did work for MS.
One more thing what does thos blasted links have to do with anything, we already know that in a way MS has payed for some of GC games.
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Originally posted by XBOX
Man nobody is never goint to get anywhere in this thread. Everyone is just going to keep quoting everyone and debating what you say over and over. Because some ppl feels so strongly about ps2 being number one and killing everything like sony is their daddy. Or Your like me hell of defending the underdawg XboX because it has a shot at being the best. Or your a die hard nintendo fanatic who thinks nintendo is the best and the whole world should too.
Not true, if you read all the posts carefully you notice that slowly these people (including me) are being enlightened and slowly coming to an agreement, (although at the moment I\'m a little confused). Just give us time. It all takes time.
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XBox, thats the smartest posts from an XBox fan I\'ve seen all night.;) It really is.
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I think that we can all agree that each new console that comes out will have taken something from an older console and improve upon it. So though sometimes we don\'t like to admit it, xbox has some better features and has not made some of the same mistakes that PS2 did. And that the title of innovative goes to the one that made more profound improvements on certain aspects of gaming consoles.
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I was just telling you what they have been doing because it sounded like didn\'t know that MS was "bribing" Developers to make games and put then on their system. Only to have them ported....
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I hear ya XBOX, I really don\'t care which console will be Number one, cause to me THE PC is #1. Yes folks at heart I am a PC gamer.
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I love PCs for Strategy games. Strats never really work well on consoles.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
I hear ya XBOX, I really don\'t care which console will be Number one, cause to me THE PC is #1. Yes folks at heart I am a PC gamer.
The only thing about PC gaming is that it\'s improved upon all the time. In one years time my $3000 computer can\'t play some of the newest games at peak performance. At least with a console it\'s only a tenth of the price and if I can deal without getting the competing consoles have a steady flow of the greatest quality for about 3+ years.
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Last Generation it seemed that the graphics were always behind on the PC games. Now they are right at par with the new games comming out in 2 to 3 years.
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I was just telling you what they have been doing because it sounded like didn\'t know that MS was "bribing" Developers to make games and put then on their system. Only to have them ported....
Again, like sony doesn\'t bribe developers either, huh?
It\'s business, call it bribing, or whatever you want SONY and MS probably even Nintendo do this all the time.
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So many things said, I cant reply to them all, so I\'ll say this:
Tril- Your \'just like a PC\' arguments were ****, mine were fine. I gave you 2 for XB having the things, but the act of having something already in a consoles no correlation to a PC. Upgrading is a total correlation. Having images on a screen was just a retarded argument...
I don\'t care if your convinced about patches. Lie/ stay ignorant forever, It doesn\'t affect me. I know they said it. Many other people do. When it doesn\'t happen, you\'ll know it.
And Sony\'s controller every step of the way was a rip off.
1-Original PSX pad=SNES controller, with 2 extra shoulder buttons and handles thrown on.
2-Dual Analog=Took N64\'s analog idea, and doubled it.
3-Dual Shock=added rumble after Nintendo made the rumble pack
4-Dual Shock 2=saw Sega\'s analog triggers and said, \'we can top that\', making every button analog.
Need further explanation?
Originally posted by JediMaster
But this time its to everyone at 100%.....
?? If your talking about MS \'buying\' games... so what? The companies aren\'t refusing. Be as mad at the companies as MS...
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But this time its to everyone at 100%.....
Post No. 69;)
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Originally posted by Krimson
So many things said, I cant reply to them all, so I\'ll say this:
Tril- Your \'just like a PC\' arguments were ****, mine were fine. I gave you 2 for XB having the things, but the act of having something already in a consoles no correlation to a PC. Upgrading is a total correlation. Having images on a screen was just a retarded argument...
I don\'t care if your convinced about patches. Lie/ stay ignorant forever, It doesn\'t affect me. I know they said it. Many other people do. When it doesn\'t happen, you\'ll know it.
And Sony\'s controller every step of the way was a rip off.
1-Original PSX pad=SNES controller, with 2 extra shoulder buttons and handles thrown on.
2-Dual Analog=Took N64\'s analog idea, and doubled it.
3-Dual Shock=added rumble after Nintendo made the rumble pack
4-Dual Shock 2=saw Sega\'s analog triggers and said, \'we can top that\', making every button analog.
Need further explanation?
And I thought I would get to sleep early! (It\'s 2:00 AM now.)
The whole reason I made those crappy PC arguments was to sarcastically show you that this argument about one console being more like a PC is completely relative to schools of thought. I was to never have you take them seriously, as I do not take yours seriously.
About the patches and "When it doesn\'t happen, you\'ll know it." - proving someone wrong must be doning by showing what has been done, not by when something doesn\'t happen. For us to fully end this argument we\'ll have to wait for xbox to become docile.
My point about the patches thing is that it is a shame if they don\'t provide patches, then they\'d have to come up with a new system, then just making a cheap upgrade patch. And for the most part, software patches would be a great way to fix in-game problems, instaed of just saying "tough, deal with it," they can fix it and make all their consumers happy.
Rip-off(noun): a cheap imitaion (Merriam-Webster)
rip off = the verb form.
So, by taking an idea and manipulating it as to not infringe on a patent is not ripping off. SONY, just like Nintendo, and Sega, and so-on, did not rip pff the previous designs of their predecessors.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
And I thought I would get to sleep early! (It\'s 2:00 AM now.)
The whole reason I made those crappy PC arguments was to sarcastically show you that this argument about one console being more like a PC is completely relative to schools of thought. I was to never have you take them seriously, as I do not take yours seriously.
About the patches and "When it doesn\'t happen, you\'ll know it." - proving someone wrong must be doning by showing what has been done, not by when something doesn\'t happen. For us to fully end this argument we\'ll have to wait for xbox to become docile.
My point about the patches thing is that it is a shame if they don\'t provide patches, then they\'d have to come up with a new system, then just making a cheap upgrade patch. And for the most part, software patches would be a great way to fix in-game problems, instaed of just saying "tough, deal with it," they can fix it and make all their consumers happy.
Rip-off(noun): a cheap imitaion (Merriam-Webster)
rip off = the verb form.
So, by taking an idea and manipulating it as to not infringe on a patent is not ripping off. SONY, just like Nintendo, and Sega, and so-on, did not rip pff the previous designs of their predecessors.
1-Just like it would be a shame if Sony did... I read it in a interview, and until they go back on what was said, I believe them. What you believe is of no importance. I was just trying to enlighten you, but you want me to waste hours pouring through interviews to give you a link. I emailed the chaps at TeamXbox, and will see if they respond, and know which interview Fries or Allard said it in, but if they don\'t, I still stand by what I read.
2-Stealing a idea is the same as ripping off an idea. I don\'t care what Mr. Webster thinks, most people would understand that phrase, and know what I mean, so it\'s valid. I won\'t argue semantics over a phrases meaning. Sony stole every controller design they had, plain and simple. I don\'t care either. I brought it up to contrast the bashing of XB\'s equally uninspired controller.
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Originally posted by Krimson
And Sony\'s controller every step of the way was a rip off.
1-Original PSX pad=SNES controller, with 2 extra shoulder buttons and handles thrown on.
2-Dual Analog=Took N64\'s analog idea, and doubled it.
3-Dual Shock=added rumble after Nintendo made the rumble pack
4-Dual Shock 2=saw Sega\'s analog triggers and said, \'we can top that\', making every button analog.
Need further explanation?
What\'s your point? They took the best things from the SNES, N64, and Dreamcast, and they made the world\'s best controller. I can seriously see them turning all of their shoulder buttons into Nintendo\'s "2 buttons in 1 button" for the PS3 controller. It is smart business, not stealing.
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What\'s your point? They took the best things from the SNES, N64, and Dreamcast, and they made the world\'s best controller.
You forgot to add IMO to that.
I can seriously see them turning all of their shoulder buttons into Nintendo\'s "2 buttons in 1 button" for the PS3 controller.
That\'s called stealing Ironfist.
It is smart business, not stealing.
One thing is for sure- they\'re control aren\'t innovative!
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Well Iron, if you read my follow-up post, you would have your answer... and thus eliminated the need to make a uneccesary post.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
You forgot to add IMO to that.
That\'s called stealing Ironfist.
One thing is for sure- they\'re control aren\'t innovative!
I think it\'s understood that people\'s post are IMO. It\'s not like Bush is breathing down my neck, forcing me to type crap.
By patent law it\'s not stealing.
And by combining the best elements of other controllers, it is innovative.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
And by combining the best elements of other controllers, it is innovative.
So your now saying XB\'s controller is innovative, right? Your not pulling a double standard on \'big bad\' MS, are you?
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Hey faston, friend of mine was in sweeden, he said the woman there are just incredible looking. They are very beautiful, only thing he said was they wanted nothing to do with americans.
Yeah I know :)
Swedish women are very good looking..
And he have them all to our selves ;)
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Originally posted by Krimson
So your now saying XB\'s controller is innovative, right? Your not pulling a double standard on \'big bad\' MS, are you?
It has it\'s inovvativeness, doesn\'t it? I don\'t have any double standards. I think the fact alone that gc and xbox have 4 controller ports (like 64, and an couple other consoles) is the best idea yet.
I personally don\'t like the "feel" of the controller. I say "feel" \'cause I haven\'t actually touched it! I\'m just so use to PS\'s controller!
But yes, the "new" features of xbox\'s control are innovative, not a rip-off, and not stealing.
No double standards here!
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Ok then... as long as there aren\'t....
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Well im not going to say to much on this except the fact I disagree with the heading of this thread.
ps2 number one? Not too sure about that. Sure they have a ten million head start but thats not crucial.
I think of it like this. you got a bmw z3 versus a ferrari.
You can give the bmw a head start....but eventually the ferrari is going to lap the bmw.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Accually my IQ is 151 just to let you know. Now on to this disscussion. Microsoft hasn\'t done anything to help the console industry yet. They have made a controller that takes a little bit off of the other 3, that controller doesn\'t have any innovation to it. Now they are PAYING developers to make games for the XBox. The XBox will might have patches, I maybe wrong. But patches could easily show up. I meant not to get yelled at for posting something like that because I wasn\'t going to try even to defend it because it wasn\'t based on anything we know about yet ok? "This can happen anytime you have a Harddrive."
Microsoft hasn\'t done anything for the industry? I guess you call 200 third party developers stupid right? Oh yeah, and thanks to Microsoft, GameCube2 and PS3 will have a HDD built in. Mark. My. Words.
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Sony has yet to prove themselves. Nintendo has already proved themselves. Microsoft has to make a good impression.
Nintendo is the only company that I can think of that will be number one. I\'m no Nintendo fanboy, but I am a Nintendo fan and an Xbox supporter that believes that Nintendo is the only battletested company still in the business. They\'ve had their ups and downs and they are still making game consoles. They know how it is to compete with a fierce competitor. During the early 90\'s, Nintendo went toe-to-toe with Sega and came out pretty much even. Sega had BRUTAL and EFFECTIVE marketing and awesome software support and comparable hardware power.
However, Sony doesn\'t have it as good as some may think they do. They have yet to prove that they can handle a full-on dog fight. With the PSX it was hardly great games and marketing that helped Sony win the hearts and minds of gamers (although they helped). A complacent Nintendo who made poor hardware decisions (cartridge medium) and had poor software support because of that medium and an arrogant and unfocused Sega basically handed Sony free marketshare. Sony didn\'t have to fight hard last generation. Even the staunchest PS2 fanboy has to admit that. Sony had it easy. Half way through the PSX life cycle, one competitor was dead and one was content with being number two. It\'s not going to be so easy for Sony this time around.
In a matter of months, the PS2 will be the weakest next gen console(still in production) out on the market. PSX was the second most powerful console with awesome software support last generation. This generation, it has the weakest hardware and both of it\'s competitors have comparable third party game support and (better) first party software support. If I were Sony I\'d be piss-scared of the GameCube and I\'d have one eye on the Xbox too. Microsoft are a bunch of hungry bastards looking at Sony\'s plate. They\'ve got a bottomless pit of a war chest and the hardware muscle to back it up. Some may say I\'m a big PS2 skeptic, but I don\'t see PS2 "having it in the bag." PS2 kinda reminds me of the rich pimp with all of the hoes. However, when two bigger and richer pimps walk by and throw money at his hoes, the hoes cling to the new pimps.
PS2\'s ONLY saving grace is its current market share. It is the leading next gen console because it\'s basically the only one out. However, developers are like hoes, y\'know. As soon as Xbox and GameCube with their "richer" development environments start to edge close to PS2 marketshare, some developers may jump ship. Gamers are like hoes too...and I\'m not talking about the hardcore ones that surf the net and join forums such as this one. I\'m talking the Joe Gamers who only plays games on a rainy day. They\'re the biggest hoes and the majority of the 70 million PSX owners are these same hoes. As soon as a more powerful, newer, and fresher pimp comes along, these hoes jump ship too. These hoes don\'t buy MGS2, DMC, and FFX, they buy the games you can get on all platforms like the Maddens and the FIFA\'s and the Raymans. Out of 70 million PSX owners 6 million only bought the original MGS. That\'s a very big number, but the majority of the "hoes" don\'t buy those games.
So PS2 zealots can\'t say "everyone wants killer apps." No. Hardcore gamers want "killer apps." The "hoes" just want shiny new graphics. They are easily lured by hype. So PS2 only has one advantage and that advantage is that it\'s out now and alone. That advantage will end on November 5th when the GameCube launches. Some may say it\'s a "kiddy" system, but when people see Rogue Leader running on a GCN kiosk in the WalMarts and Babbage\'s, and the $199 price tag, they\'re going to bite. I don\'t care how much Sony spends on marketing, no amount of marketing can help them against the HUGE marketing campaigns of TWO NEW AND MORE POWERFUL CONSOLES. I just don\'t see that. PS2 loyalists like to think we live in the world where everyone who owns a PSX is a loyalist like them. That\'s not true. The majority are graphics whores who will jump ship at the first sign of a pretty picture and comparable price point.
Sony Computer Entertainment of America President Kaz Hirai has already stated that they won\'t drop the price of the PS2 in America (Next Gen--July) and that they are confident that they can sell $300 PS2\'s when there will be a $300 Xbox and a $200 Game Cube on the market. And I say, "Yeah, sure...whatever Mr. Arrogant, sir." PS2 is a solid computer entertainment system, but I don\'t see how it can stay number one when two new video game systems are coming out with games that are just as good if not better than the PS2 line-up. People may brag about Devil May Cry, Silent Hill 2 and MGS2, but Xbox will have an exclusive game from the producer of DMC called Brain Box (voice controlled Mech game), Silent Hill X, and MGSX ("beyond" MGS2). Game Cube will have the new MARIO GAME (!!!!!!!!) that will be unvieled at Space World and tons of other Nintendo properties and third party games. I just don\'t see how PS2 can compete with that and still be number one. If they do, like Sony\'s Phil Harrison says, "I\'ll eat my shorts."
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Proof that Xbox will have no patches? Here ya go!
Would this mean X-Box users would be downloading patches to their console\'s hard-drive? Allard answered that question in two words. "Patches suck," he said with a smile. The hard-drive is there to store game data, he clarified, as well as to serve as virtual memory while a game runs. Things like sports commentary or extra level data could be read from the game DVD and stored on the hard-drive for quick access later when they\'re needed, freeing RAM but not taking nearly as much time to load.
http://www.consoledomain.com/articles/170.html
J. Allard is the Xbox Project Manager. If he says "no patches" there will be no patches, get it? This isn\'t the PC market and Xbox is no PC (read: no open source), so developers will have to send their games past J. Allard and if he sees the word "patch", it gets tossed out. Jedi, get educated. Don\'t let your 151 IQ :rolleyes: go to waste, dude. Make sure you\'re qualified to have an opinion by educating yourself on the topic before you comment. An uneducated opinion = pure bullsh!t.
Is MGSX (beyond MGS2) coming to the Xbox?
But the Konami legend agreed that Xbox visuals will pack a larger punch. "You will definitely get better graphics with Xbox," he added. "With PlayStation 2, we had to create our own shadows with the software. With Xbox, the machine creates it for us, so we can use that little extra power for effects and stuff. So the Xbox version [the still mysterious Metal Gear Solid X] will probably look a little bit better."
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/story.cfm?sid=2486
KEVIN: Well we\'ve got permission from Konami to answer this for you. And let me say that Metal Gear Solid X will be beyond MGS2. We\'ll leave it at that. But we asked Konami to clear up that confusion, and they were like "why would anything think we were doing a port of a five year old game?"
http://www.xbox365.com/ktalk/986346676,66785,.shtml
Straight from the dog\'s mouth Vivi...get from under the rock dude and get informed. Kevin Bacchus (no longer with Microsoft) got permission from Konami to CONFIRM that MGSX = Beyond MGS2 for Xbox. This is no longer an issue, case closed.
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It\'s a shame. Patches aren\'t a bad thing. I wish they would. (All the consoles with hard drives should.)
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THANKS DIRECT XBOX!!!
Ive been looking for that article for ALONG time....
You\'ve just shut up everybody who said mgsx is not real or who said its going to be MGS 1.:D
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It\'s a shame. Patches aren\'t a bad thing. I wish they would
Yes it would, but only for hardcore gamers. The mainstream will not take to it, and will confussed.