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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Evi on July 09, 2001, 03:35:22 PM
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Seriously. I was watching the movies and was uite surprised by the incredible demented minds who created this game. The stories are so gross at times that my dad came in (an adult grown man), and even he cringed in horror. What\'s the message they\'re sending out. Of course, it is an adult game, but even a lot of adults don\'t want to watch that crap...you know? I love the gameplay, but it was just sick (the movies I mean). Outlaw had the only story that made you feel sad. When I unlocked Minion, his character was just plain nasty. Haven\'t seen his ending yet, though (and I\'m sure it\'s the worst). I\'m blabbering sorry. But I was just shocked at the transformation of this game from the cartoon ending days. Tell me what ya\' think.
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Well I loved the movies, I went through all the movies, except for Minion, I wonder if they have an ending movie for him...
I don\'t think the movies are bad, maybe some of them go to the extreme, I love SweetTooths movies. The preacher was cool also.
I think this game rocks, playing this game late at night, while a nasty storm is brewing outside, and you get to hear SweetTooths truck play its it\'s little tune, wow. :D
oh hell yeah! ok, I’m biased completely towards this game, all of the above is my "Opinion" of course.
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Yeah Bloody Mary\'s freaked me out,too. It\'s kind of rough.
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It is there for shock value more than anything in the more extreme cases, but there was nothing to cringe at...
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Yeah, Bloody Mary\'s story was really screwed up.
I also like Crazy 8\'s driver (can\'t remember his name). His ending scene was funny, as well as disturbing.
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Originally posted by 182Ways
Yeah, Bloody Mary\'s story was really screwed up.
I also like Crazy 8\'s driver (can\'t remember his name). His ending scene was funny, as well as disturbing.
One movie where that guy bludgeoned his wife with an axe cause she was cheating on him with that pilot. That was very extreme IMO, teaches little kids that if yo girl cheats on you, hack her to pieces.
I would never censor the movies, or any games though.
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Yeah, it\'s a preety freaky game. I was shocked at the movies as they were disturbing, but it\'s cool! It\'s no Rayman that\'s for sure. It\'s an amazing dark themed game. Life isn\'t always a bed of roses, sometimes you get **** on. Twisted Metal Black aint no Brady Bunch!
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Some were shocking, but none of them were disturbing to me except Brimestone(thats cuz demon **** freaks me out period).
And no, Minion has no ending.
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Originally posted by ViVi
And no, Minion has no ending.
Oh damn, no ending. That sucks, I want my money back! jk.
Well I think TMB was money well spent, totally enjoyable, and positively shocking.
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I loved the movies, I think Outlaw and Junkyard dog had the best movies
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I was thinking about posting this very same topic today after seeing junkyard dog\'s middle story. I love the game dont get me wrong but there is a line. Hacking your wife to pieces for ANY reason is taking a hop skip and a jump waaay over that line. Also watching cops beat Sweet Tooth and him smiling is a great scence but just a wee bit excessive.
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
I was thinking about posting this very same topic today after seeing junkyard dog\'s middle story. I love the game dont get me wrong but there is a line. Hacking your wife to pieces for ANY reason is taking a hop skip and a jump waaay over that line. Also watching cops beat Sweet Tooth and him smiling is a great scence but just a wee bit excessive.
It gives the game some personality, though. Personally I\'m extremely glad that TM: B is as violent as it is. Such a characteristic sets it a part from other games.
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I think we have now reached a point where games and media will inspire stupid kids to kill. This kind of sick stuff just scares me.
The horror that this kind of brutality uts in me is just scary. All the endings and stories are around like revenge and stuff. The old ones were better, like in TM2, as was the game itself.
Eric Jacob
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That\'s okay... Silent Hill 2 is just around the corner "to brighten our days" :D
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Originally posted by Toxical
One movie where that guy bludgeoned his wife with an axe cause she was cheating on him with that pilot. That was very extreme IMO, teaches little kids that if yo girl cheats on you, hack her to pieces.
I would never censor the movies, or any games though.
It doesn\'t TEACH kids anything - if a kid watches that and decides to hack down his girlfriend then there is something wrong with a)the kid himself and b)the way he was brought up. To say that behaviour is caused or taught by watching a violent act is something good old Liberman would say. I watched tons of violent movies when I was growing up and I\'ve never killed anyone.
Besides, little kids shouldn\'t be playing the game anyway since it\'s rated M.
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Originally posted by Lavan
It doesn\'t TEACH kids anything - if a kid watches that and decides to hack down his girlfriend then there is something wrong with a)the kid himself and b)the way he was brought up. To say that behaviour is caused or taught by watching a violent act is something good old Liberman would say. I watched tons of violent movies when I was growing up and I\'ve never killed anyone.
Besides, little kids shouldn\'t be playing the game anyway since it\'s rated M.
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exactly! I was brought up on violent movies and NEVER have I even thought of killing anybody in any situation, unless they will try to kill me or is killing someone in front of me(like Columbine, I would\'ve jumped a kid and snapped his neck in less than 3 seconds).
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Originally posted by Lavan
It doesn\'t TEACH kids anything - if a kid watches that and decides to hack down his girlfriend then there is something wrong with a)the kid himself and b)the way he was brought up. To say that behaviour is caused or taught by watching a violent act is something good old Liberman would say. I watched tons of violent movies when I was growing up and I\'ve never killed anyone.
Besides, little kids shouldn\'t be playing the game anyway since it\'s rated M.
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Originally posted by ViVi
exactly! I was brought up on violent movies and NEVER have I even thought of killing anybody in any situation, unless they will try to kill me or is killing someone in front of me(like Columbine, I would\'ve jumped a kid and snapped his neck in less than 3 seconds).
I agree gentlemen, I have been watching horror movies, and all kinds of blood and death action movies since the age of 7. I played all kinds of video games, and listened to all kinds of music in the past.
Guess what? I still haven’t gone postal. WHY?
Cause i got parents that taught me right from wrong.
Teach is what I wrote and what I meant, some stupid kid read a comic book and thought he could fly, so he jumped of a freaking window. He was reading, and was taught by the book to “FLY”, because his brain could not distinguish between reality and make-believe. :D
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Imagine what the Bible thumping Baptist\'s must think of TMB! "It\'s EVIL!!" "It\'s the Devil\'s work!!" The End of Day\'s is near, TMB is written in Revelation!" Baptist\'s are too hardcore for me.
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Originally posted by ViVi
exactly! I was brought up on violent movies and NEVER have I even thought of killing anybody in any situation, unless they will try to kill me or is killing someone in front of me(like Columbine, I would\'ve jumped a kid and snapped his neck in less than 3 seconds).
ViVi...sorry man, but I wonder at your reply regarding Columbine (and I suspect I\'m/we\'re *reeeeally* devolving this thread to the fringe of the "Main Forum" with your post as well as my reply). Granted, you could tell me I\'m full o\' $hit for suggesting that you could not make that bravado statement unless you lived through it (and perhaps in one or another instance, you did; if so, forgive my ignorance...but then, accept my reply as a rebuttal to the masses and not a personal attack on you). Otherwise, I can\'t help but wonder how such "quips" [of "I tell ya what I\'da done if it were me..."] do to the psyche of folks that really HAVE lived through it and then find that they have to look in the mirror to ask themselves "what could I have done to assist my fellow schoolmates".
Dude, my view? To some extent videogames foster your earlier brave reply of how you\'d handle it. Fact is, at least as I see it, when punks are spraying the place with bullets (and there ain\'t no "reset button" if you die, get it?)...then human nature, typically, will be absolute terror...not bravado.
This reply is not meant to incite. Nor do I deliberately attack your reply, ViVi. Again, you know yourself very well and you may well have replied in kind to how you know you would have reacted. My reply was simply to the masses that can make unchallengable, uncalculated comments that can cause irrepairable damage to tormented souls that *have* been forced to be in such a horrific situation.
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I understand w1ngman. But I have lived through a mild thing like that, I broke a guys arm while he tryed attcking a girl with a knife.
Sure they are spraying bullets everywhere, but something goes through my head when I saw that guy. I could save many others lives if I had killed one of those bastards. I would feel a lot better trying to kill someone then die then watching those punks shoot people.
But it depends where I would be at that time, if I was in front of him or if he had another fag shooting with him I would run my ass off. There is a point where there is no point of trying, I know that.
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There are kids out there that are susceptible to this kind of media. They don\'t have to be demented. That is usually the case, though. More than ever, here and now, there has been more violence in every day life than there has ever been. There\'s a school shooting like every 6 months. A couple of months ago, there was a shooting threat at my school. They canceled school for a few days while many cops and others did research. It happened to be on the the anniversary of Columbine, and Hitler\'s birthday. My friend was at the school that recently had a shooting...and then she moved here, only to get another suspicious warning. She\'s very sad. At any rate, media does play an immportant part of everyone\'s lives, and you can\'t deny that. Violence is very real, and there are very misguided people out there. The young kids today are the most susceptible and are the ones who will lead our country in the future. So videogames and whatnot do affect people more than you can understand. I\'ve had family members (who are perfectly normal individuals) punch the "you know what" out of each other for losing in a game of Tekken. So I\'m just asking you guys to seriously consider what\'s going on in the world. ALright? Thanks...peace out.
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sorry guys, horror movies and the like dont EVER glorify violence or make it seem right. The good guy wins at the end of a horror movie. In this game, your character will just kill Calypso and supposedly laugh it off. That sort of stuff WILL warp a kids mind.
All the things before this game, sans twisted endings to certain games, the bad "killer guy". This is different.
Eric Jacob
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I think it is a sad time , when we have to worry about the forms of entertainment causing some child to go kill someone. By all means, art , enterainment and other media forms have never been "clean". Shakespere has suicide, murder, betrayal, yet we teach that in our schools. Classic pieces of art work depict wars and other brutual images that have taken place. And on an even more sensative note, the bible, the most popular book in the world is horrific and violent. Do we blame these pieces of enterainment / art when a kid does something? NO.
Yes, Twisted Metal: Black had some pretty gruesome stories, but it was meant to. The stories helped drive home the point for the characters. The game displayed nothing worse then what we see on the NEWS everynight at 11:00 pm. The developers never hid the fact the game was mature nor did the ESRB . The game was rated MATURE. Obviously small children should not be playing the game, but that is the parents job to decide. We cannot censor art / enterainment just because some parents are not doing their job.
I\'m happy with the change the developers made. They have never advirestised the game as a "Cartoony" game. They have always said it would be for the mature player and be dark. We have mature movies, mature music and now we have mature videogames. This just goes to show that games are not longer "toys". They are a form of entertainment for every age group.
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Everyone should be responsible for their own actions. Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world. And I have to side with w1ngman, that in real life this stuff isn\'t funny or heroic. And people who have been through something like this don\'t ever want to remember it.
The worst part is, when someone does go over the edge they do not get punished, so the next nutjob in line has no reason not do the same thing.
I\'m sick and tired of hearing mommy and daddy crap when all the kid needs is an asswhipping to set him straight.
If there\'s one thing I want to say to all AMERICA:
"U.S.A, I love you, BUT AIN\'T NO ONE ABOVE AN ASSWHIPPIN"
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its not the game that causes a kid to kill - if a kid is learining about life in a videogame then there is something worng with them or the way they were brought or lacking of it. kinda like if a kid sees Cloud from FF7 swing a sword and kill a guard it doesn\'t mean the kid will do it or act on violence on a security guard
i just don\'t see how someone can blame videogames for anything but entertainment - thats what its suppost to be not some way to learn about life and teach it to your kids - the only problem is the parents that stick their kids in front of the tv or videogame instead of teaching him right from wrong
a lot parents now aday don\'t teach their kids anything anymore - they expect society to teach it for them and when society rejects them they don\'t know what to do - these are the people to worry about
but anyway thats how i feel
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Yes, the movies are bad for kids and I haven\'t seen all the movies yet but now I know why Sweetooth have that fire on his head. We have seen nothing yet!! SILENT HILL 2!!!! :D
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This is gonna be a topic that will be argued until a resolution comes...and it won\'t be during our lifetime.
I think when a child goes insane there isn\'t anyone more to blame than the parents...as a child when your brain is open to learn the rules of right or wrong your parents are god to you and its there duty to teach you.
I think when a kid does something as wasteful and tragic as Columbine the parents should receive all the penatilites for whatever there child did.
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Not to spam, but I thought this qoute may fit the subject.
“The violent child is the most potent image of violated innocence that we have. If humankind is capable of this, then perhaps we are beyond redemption.” -- Ian McEwan
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I too have grown up on horror movies, and in fact due to the atmosphere I grew up around and the social cliqe\'s I feel into at school I often times find violence to be quite funny. It\'s enjoyable to me. Ever wonder why people gather around to see a fight, or why ConsumptionJuction hasn\'t fallen below 500 accesses at any one time in the past two years? The same reason that makes me laugh when I see a cop smack a perp in the head with his batton.
Now, I would never do most of the things I laugh at in real life. In fact, I think I\'m a pretty pacifistic person. I don\'t like GETTING into fights.. I don\'t like hurting people. But to have me feeling sorry for someone else\'s misfortune is not going to make this world a better place. It\'s just going to waste my time, and make me feel miserable.
Or, (as long as we\'re quoting) as John Bernard Shaw once said.. "Life no more ceases to be funny when people die.. than it stops being serious when people laugh."
Broaden the spectrum, keep the meaning in tact.. and those are words to live by IMO.
I have a feeling TM:B is going to be hilarous!
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Sorry, don\'t mean to spam, but I just read Bob\'s post.
"I think when a kid does something as wasteful and tragic as Columbine the parents should receive all the penatilites for whatever there child did." - Bob\'s Hardware.
Now wait.. you\'re going to punish the parents for the actions of their child? Hell, even the best parents in the world can have psycopathic kids. Why blame someone else for another\'s actions? Why not blame the kids who teased and tormented those bastards into their bleak corner of desperation.. and then blame the school system that wouldn\'t lift a finger to help them. For christ\'s sake.. the circle of blame could go on forever.. and until we start focusing on fixing the problem.. NOT THE BLAME.. we\'re going to get nowhere.
It\'s so much easier to point a finger, than lend a hand.
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I agree with lavan, especially about the upbringing of kids. I think hte endings are great and have every right to be in that game or any other dark themed game. thats why it is rated mature.
Also on a rant about kids , guns, and being influenced by things. I notice how kids nowadays are taught that guns are dangerous, stay away from guns , guns hurt, guns kill blah blah blah
In my opinion people are dangerous , people kill, ect.
A gun is just a tool. My parents never had any but from a young age I went to hunter safety courses, and had an uncle who pounded gun safety into my head when hunting. I believe education is the key because if I was never allowed to handle a firearm at a young age then it (the gun) would have become that mystical thing that you cant wait to sneak out of the house and go play with. My point is when you tell kids no no no it just makes that thing all the more enticing, but if you show them perhaps they will have more respect for whatever they are dealing with.
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Two quick points:
1)Kids are NOT idiots, they have free-thinking minds of their own and are capable of reasoning better than most adults. They are new to this world, not made more close-minded by life. I am one, i know. Teenagers respectability gets so berated in today\'s life its sad. Thats why everyone says "blame it on their entertainment!". Adults don\'t understand, parents don\'t understand, so to make themselves secure they need to place blame.
2)Back in the early days of the cavemen they killed eachother if one took the others food. Where was violent media then? Its in our blood. We are STILL animals.
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Two quick points:
2)Back in the early days of the cavemen they killed eachother if one took the others food. Where was violent media then? Its in our blood. We are STILL animals.
I agree, IMO deep down each and everyone has the instinct for killing, lets not kid ourselves. :D If not for our bigger and more complicated brains, we would be covered in blood. (figure of speech.) Our brains permit us to perceive morality, right from wrong. Genetics play a role I guess too, we are the most successful species on this planet, and we sure did not get here by being docile right?
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Sorry, don\'t mean to spam, but I just read Bob\'s post.
"I think when a kid does something as wasteful and tragic as Columbine the parents should receive all the penatilites for whatever there child did." - Bob\'s Hardware.
Now wait.. you\'re going to punish the parents for the actions of their child? Hell, even the best parents in the world can have psycopathic kids. Why blame someone else for another\'s actions? Why not blame the kids who teased and tormented those bastards into their bleak corner of desperation.. and then blame the school system that wouldn\'t lift a finger to help them. For christ\'s sake.. the circle of blame could go on forever.. and until we start focusing on fixing the problem.. NOT THE BLAME.. we\'re going to get nowhere.
It\'s so much easier to point a finger, than lend a hand.
If you honestly think that society is going to lend a hand to help out, then that is part of a perfect world that you and I will never in a lifetime live to see.
Because Society is so insecure to actually fix their problems it is always going to need a scapegoat to blame it on. Hell there\'s nothing more I would love to do than agree with you Sony I would love to agree and say
"Lets all come together and fix the problems of the world"
But that\'s just wishful thinking in today\'s times.
I still say a parent should be blamed for what happens to there kid...you should be able to teach your child that no matter what happened to you at school that spraying the walls with your schoolmates blood is not the answer.
I\'ve been teased at school a lot, in fact I was made fun of so much that I couldn\'t even get to the point to go to it anymore. I\'m home schooled now...I was bugged for the simple reason of wearing black clothes constantly and portraying the image of a "goth" or whatever you like to call it. I\'m very anti-social in life now...I have a close nit group of friends that I keep near me and that’s all I need.
I don\'t fear kids my age...I just loath them for immaturity. I developed a phobia where I get extremely frightened to go out in public places and simply can\'t function.
But I don\'t blame the kids that assisted to turn me into a shut-in hermit, where as I need re-hab basically to return to public life. I also blame myself because I know its part me. But the thought of killing someone never ever came up once. I scrapped a lot with these kids...sometimes I won heavy and actually laid a bad hurt into some of them and other times I was beaten into the emergency room. But still I never would DREAM of killing someone.
In Columbine, the 2 boys had dozens of homemade explosives packed into their bedrooms and their parents never suspected a thing? What is that about? I\'m not asking you to agree with me. Just understand my point of view.
"I may not agree with what you write. But i\'ll defend until the day I die that you have the right to write it"
Thats a quote that I heard somewhere...and one I agree with fully.
PS: It\'s me CYpReSs...I noticed you quoted it as Bobs Hardware. I just don\'t want Bob getting into anything that he didn\'t start with :)
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Well, I didn\'t care to read everyone\'s post. I can\'t believe anyone would complain about TM:B\'s dark nature. I, for one, love it. I\'m glad the game is the way it is, and I wish more games had darker and more \'effed up\' content.
The game is rated M. Those \'kids\' that you fear will go rape their sisters and murder their parents shouldn\'t be playing this game.
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So it\'s not just me!!! Man, I was wondering about this topic but I was sure that I would get roasted if I mentioned it. Those are some very disturbing movies. I never even looked at the rating on the box, "M". But I still thought that they were not suitable for children. I haven\'t even completed the game yet so I know that there\'s more to come.
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on a side note I just wanna say that I love TM:B and think its one of teh BEST PS2 games out today.
and it was pretty obvious the game was going to be dark.
It\'s not called Twisted Metal: Heavenly Edition
Sweet tooth doesn\'t really serve tasty ice cream and Cage doesn\'t really use his new hands for yard work.
Remember people, it is called Twisted Metal: BLACK for a reason.
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Many people are misguided...
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Many people are misguided...
I hope you mean with the intentions of your thread. We aren\'t here for \'the light.\'
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Originally posted by datamage
I hope you mean with the intentions of your thread. We aren\'t here for \'the light.\'
- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.
That was VERY well said actually.
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"Hell there\'s nothing more I would love to do than agree with you Sony I would love to agree and say
"Lets all come together and fix the problems of the world" But that\'s just wishful thinking in today\'s times." - Bob\'s Software.
I never said I expected it to happen. I never said that it would be easy, or even possible in todays society. But regardless of that fact, it\'s what Needs to be done. If we don\'t do that, then we\'ll get nowhere and you can expect the fight against violent media to go on for as long as there is violent media to fight against.
"But I don\'t blame the kids that assisted to turn me into a shut-in hermit, where as I need re-hab basically to return to public life. I also blame myself because I know its part me." - Bob\'s Software
I was like that too. I went to the Bowen center for Manic Depressive disorder, but quit after a few weeks. Payin 80 bucks a week so some jerkoff can blame all my problems on my father is insane. I do, however, blame those kids who helped screw my childhood up. They made the choice to pick on me.. they made the choice to revel in making me feel lower than **** everyday. THEM. I also should have been a stronger person, I\'ll admit that. But that\'s no reason to let those kids off the hook.
Thing is.. I actually turned into one of those kids later in my school years. I\'d pick on people and torment the hell out of them for my own pleasure. The difference is.. I always let them know that I was just kidding and often tried to be friends with them afterword to show there we\'re no hard feelings. I went the extra mile to make amends for my actions, rather than just blow it off and let my victim stew in the aftermath of my words and actions.
I can understand why those kids at Columbine did what they did. I would never think of doing it. I\'d rather commit suicide than kill another.. but that just me. Everyone\'s different, and we all respond to outside stimuli differently. These two murderes just had lower breaking points than I did.. and they chose to strike back and give their tormenters a taste of the pain they\'ve endured most of their lives. Why they chose to massacre at random is beyond me though. I would be a lot more simpathetic to them had they chose one or two specific targets.. but I guess that\'s what happens when your brain is scarred beyond rational though by longterm mental and emotional anguish.
"I may not agree with what you write. But i\'ll defend until the day I die that you have the right to write it" - Again.. Bob\'s Software.
It\'s "I may not always agree with what you have to say, but I\'ll defend with my life your right to say it." - Voltair :D I\'ve used that quote a few times as well.
BTW: Sorry bout that. Ya know I was just wonderin why Bob stole Cyp\'s pic.
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It wasn\'t a spert from nowhere that the kids at Columbine killed so many people. In fact, they planned it for quite some time. They reprogrammed the game DOOM to look like the people at their school, and they even made the environment look like their school. They were really messed up and I\'m sorry for all of the people that got killed in tha tragedy. I know the game was supposed to have a "dark" nature. One of my friends thinks the movies are awesome...and he just got out of a mental hospital. He has gotten so much better and is a really nice guy now, but he has a grin full of pleasure when he watches the movies. I love he gameplay...and I know that it\'s supposed to be dark, but that doesn\'t make it right at all. I think it\'s downright disgusting. I know little kids that hit each other and whatnot after playing these games. I even saw my little cousins beat the you know what out of each other after watching a stupid Power Rangers episode. A confused kid body-slammed his baby brother until he died after watching wrestling...and...well...it DOES affext people...not everyone, but it does. You don\'t need to think I\'m dumb because of what I think, but I feel so bad for the aching world that is in so much chaos and needs help. Don\'t get mad at me for this post either...it\'s just what I think...K? The world is gonna end in major destruction if this does\'t stop. Even Los Angeles (as bad as it is there) doesn\'t have enough cops, ambulances and firefighters to hold up to all of the chaos going down there...I\'m talking too much...I\'m very sorry...