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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: hyper on July 12, 2001, 04:30:30 PM
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EDIT: IGN has much more detailed info, so I changed the post and the link.
If you haven\'t heard, Panasonic has deducted the price of its 16MB SD Cards (memory cards for the GC) to $39.95, and its 32MB cards to $60 (EDIT: I\'m sorry. The 64MB cards will be $99.95 :(). The 16MB card can hold twice more memory then the conventional PS2 memory card, and costs only $5 more (EDIT: 8MB cards will be around the $30 range). This, in my opinion, could solve GC memory issues like the ones that EA has been having.
But my real question is, could these cards serve as potential cheap, functional hard drives?? (Soft drives, if you will). Panasonic plans to release 512MB cards in early 2002, followed by cards with over GB of space. These should be much cheaper than a hard drive add-on, and if the price of the newest card is too expensive, you can stay with older cards until the price goes down. There\'s also no need to take out any internal units to upgrade your memory space, or dish out extreme amounts of money (as with hard drives).
Link: http://cube.ign.com/news/36552.html
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Right now there are IBM MiniDrives that hold 1 gb of data for Digital Cameras. These minidrives are about 1x1x.1 inches A very small card for a lot of space, and run about 500 dollars. By about the 4th generations of GC software, these should be about 50-100 dollars, and will possibly be the standard memory saving device in the next generations. The only problem is, if you drop these drives about 1.5 feet off the ground, onto a solid floor, the drive will probably be entirely busted, as they have so many little parts inside of them.
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This is Nintendo\'s alternative to HDD. It\'s economical, but it\'ll definately lack in quality and durability. It\'ll probably do better than HDD, at first but after a couple months, my prediction: boom. But it won\'t effect Nintendo enough to change, Nintendo is just. . . too. . . powerful.
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Yeah, but if your XBox drops off of a shelf, if the harddrive is broken, your XBox is totaled. While if you just use memory cards, you always are on the go, and never had to worry about loosing your files.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Yeah, but if your XBox drops off of a shelf, if the harddrive is broken, your XBox is totaled. While if you just use memory cards, you always are on the go, and never had to worry about loosing your files.
It\'s all that "on the go" that I\'m worried about! Recall all the problems memory cards have had in the past. Now I don\'t know about you, but I don\'t plan on dropping my console on the ground anytime soon. Mem-cards get passed around like. . . well, you know. I just don\'t like this idea of high-capasity memory cards. It\'s eerie and unsettling.
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If there was an Smart Card adapter, I would be in heaven. Those cards are so cheap now and hold a whole lotta space, but the adapter would be more expensive to write in the format.
Think of it this way. With a HD in a system and internet access, you can get viruses on your console. Which if MS doesn\'t have any protection againnst it in, like creating a function to wipe the HD, your entire system could be ruined. Since everyone knows the system\'s Mod PIII or the NV25 or whatever its called. The potential to destroy these devices are great. But only since about 10% or less of XBox customers will go online due to the Broadband only status, this shouldn\'t be an overal problem for everyone if it ever happens.
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Think of it this way. With a HD in a system and internet access, you can get viruses on your console. Which if MS doesn\'t have any protection againnst it in, like creating a function to wipe the HD, your entire system could be ruined. Since everyone knows the system\'s Mod PIII or the NV25 or whatever its called. The potential to destroy these devices are great. But only since about 10% or less of XBox customers will go online due to the Broadband only status, this shouldn\'t be an overal problem for everyone if it ever happens.
Yeah keep dreaming, Virus from what??? XBOX will not be used to browse the net, so no virus.
SD memory cards cannot replace HDD, Even if you had a 600mb SD card(which would cost you and arm and leg) it still couldn\'t even come close to what a HDD is capable to accomplish in gaming.
Yeah, but if your XBox drops off of a shelf, if the harddrive is broken, your XBox is totaled. While if you just use memory cards, you always are on the go, and never had to worry about loosing your files.
Yeah and if you drop your lunch box it\'s toast as well, what\'s your point. Also did you forget that XBOX will have memory cards as well, for those who wanna take there game files to a friends.
This is Nintendo\'s alternative to HDD
Well then good luck nintendo, would have been better off to just stick a HDD in the thing.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Yeah keep dreaming, Virus from what??? XBOX will not be used to browse the net, so no virus.
This is BS, whenever you have any kind of device connected to the internet with its own built in storage media, there is a chance for a virus. Someone can fix the XBox to send you a virus during an online game and screw then entire system. I thought even you would know that.
SD memory cards cannot replace HDD, Even if you had a 600mb SD card(which would cost you and arm and leg) it still couldn\'t even come close to what a HDD is capable to accomplish in gaming.
True, because HDs are mainly for storing files to pull them up quicker and lower load times. But the cube doesn\'t need one cus last time I heard... Silicon Knights said they had to delay the load times on parts of ED because you would entered a room faster than you would with a cartridge. Still a HD is a HD and how many games can you fit on a 10 gb HD anyways?
Yeah and if you drop your lunch box it\'s toast as well, what\'s your point. Also did you forget that XBOX will have memory cards as well, for those who wanna take there game files to a friends.
LOL where did you dig this all up. Nintendo products have always been the most durable. My N64 must have been dropped from a 4 foot ledge onto a wood floor about 25 times and it still runs perfect. While a PSX could take little of a beating at all. Also there was an old GameBoy that sat ourside in the mud and rain for 5 years before their dog found it and brought it in. They popped in new batteries and it still ran fine. I was talking about the HD in the XBox. I am saying that the GameCube will be dropped, it might break, but the XBox is much more delicate then the cube.
Well then good luck nintendo, would have been better off to just stick a HDD in the thing.
Umm... No not really at all. The HD would not really benifit the cube in any way with the SD cards for it. Harddrives were built to work with PCs, not consoles. Try and act at least a bit better next time you try and take me down.
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Someone can fix the XBox to send you a virus during an online game and screw then entire system. I thought even you would now that
IMG, first off it\'s connected to MS online network which is secured. Sure anything is possible, but what are the chances, they are slim. So your argument is based on a weak foundation to start with.
LOL where did you dig this all up. Nintendo products have always been the most durable. My N64 must have been dropped from a 4 foot ledge onto a wood floor about 25 times and it still runs perfect.
That\'s because nintendo\'s previous products were not CD based, but cart instead. Since the cube has mechanical moving parts it is prone to being damaged very easily.
I am saying that the GameCube will be dropped, it might break, but the XBox is much more delicate then the cube.
LOL, you drop the GC and XBOX off a table and they are both FU*KED. Besides you argument here is weak again, how many people are going to be dropping there consoles on a daily basis. Plus GC is prone to alot more damages than XBOX, since majority of KIDS will be getting the GC and we all know how children are with there toys.
Umm... No not really at all. The HD would not really benefit the cube in any way with the SD cards for it.
No your right, If the cube had a HDD it wouldn\'t even need the SD cards.
Harddrives were built to work with PCs, not consoles
sigh....you never quit do you SON. Yeah how about I spin this and say microchips, circuit boards, semiconductors, RAM, etc... were built for PC\'s not for consoles, so consoles SUCK. Also a console is in a sense a PC, just that it\'s designed to function and operate for one specific task, TO PLAY GAMES.
Try and act at least a bit better next time you try and take me down.
Are you really that blind and dumb MR I have a 150 IQ up my ass. It amazes me how far you have gone, and to the great lengths you have probably taken to delude yourself into believing what ever you see fit believe.
Just Incredible!
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
LOL, you drop the GC and XBOX off a table and they are both FU*KED. Besides you argument here is weak again, how many people are going to be dropping there consoles on a daily basis. Plus GC is prone to alot more damages than XBOX, since majority of KIDS will be getting the GC and we all know how children are with there toys.
What a childish and immature argument. Isn\'t the whole "kiddy" argument a little played out? Seriously, regardless of whether the GCN is disk based. The Xbox is more likely to be damaged in a fall than the PS2 and GCN. HDDs in general are not very resistant to shock and seeing as how the Xbox is not using a special HDD their\'s should be no different. Simple as that.
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What is with all this dropping and sticking in the mud all about? If you plan on sticking your console in the mud and dropping it out your second story window then you desrve what\'s coming to you!
Let\'s see, is there a cable, other than power, that goes from the console to the wall? Yes? Then a hacker can get to it. When there is a will, there is a way. Firewall? Ha! Unless you\'re in a "plastic bubble network," you are never immune.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
What is with all this dropping and sticking in the mud all about? If you plan on sticking your console in the mud and dropping it out your second story window then you desrve what\'s coming to you!
No one plans on it; but the fact of the matter is that it happens. People try to walk in front of you while you are playing and their foot gets caught on the cord pulling everything down. It happens.
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What a childish and immature argument. Isn\'t the whole "kiddy" argument a little played out? Seriously, regardless of whether the GCN is disk based. The Xbox is more likely to be damaged in a fall than the PS2 and GCN. HDDs in general are not very resistant to shock and seeing as how the Xbox is not using a special HDD their\'s should be no different. Simple as that.
Nope I disagree. Sure the XBOX has more fragile components but like Ogodly said GC will be a system that majority of kids will own, and KIDS are not very good with keeping there toys in one place. So instead of looking at which system is more fragile, look at who will own the GC to the XBOX. One more thing I\'m sure the kids are going to love to take there lunch box over to there friends place, with GC being a mobile system more instances can take place where the machine can get damaged. I doubt people are going to carry there xbox machine around.
People try to walk in front of you while you are playing and their foot gets caught on the cord pulling everything down. It happens
Really, it seems little miss gohan here forgot that xbox cords detach from the controller. MS did this specifically for the reason you just stated above, so that in case someone does walk by the cord it will not pull down the machine, instead it will de-attach from the controller.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Let\'s see, is there a cable, other than power, that goes from the console to the wall? Yes? Then a hacker can get to it. When there is a will, there is a way. Firewall? Ha! Unless you\'re in a "plastic bubble network," you are never immune.
Yes but did you forget that the OS is located on the gamedisc, not the system, so how are they going to hack into your HDD. It was said before and I\'ll say it again the chances of anyone being able to hack into XBOX slim, you might as well forget about it. Anything is possible, but don\'t expect to be seeing any of this soon.
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A virus has to be executed to cause any damage. I don\'t think with the XBox you\'ll have the ability to activate a virus by accidently clicking on it like you would a PC. Look do you think your going to be able to execute any ole file on an XBox like you would in a Full blown OS??? I don\'t think so. I\'m pretty sure MS is idiot proofing it.
File downloads are off Microsoft servers, perhaps other company servers too (depends on what Microsoft does with Xbox online, we don\'t know yet). The file downloads are NOT off privately run server, free webspace servers, or untouchable servers in foreign countries with no computer laws yet.
-There\'s anti-virus software running on those servers (probably), for Xbox especially? Or perhaps they don\'t even need it, that they\'re so sure.
-You need a browser with file download ability, PLUS an OS to execute the program file, to truly give yourself a virus. Or accepting the same file via IRC chat clients or instant messaging or email. Can you do those things on Xbox? No.
-File downloads could very well be a proprietary "packed" file, not some exe. Stop thinking stupid PC ****.
-People need to break into Microsoft\'s servers and swap files, or infect their network somehow. HMMMM Microsoft, I wonder how easy that would be? Is it everyday you hear about viruses coming from Microsoft or other large corporations?
-You don\'t get viruses from just going about, you get them from being STUPID!
It\'s nearly impossibe for someone to put a virus on ur xbox manually and the xbox doesnt have an os on board so it doesnt really matter if u delete dll or ocx\'s (needed files for ur os to run). U cant even access the files. so i really doubt (99.9 1/2% sure) ur gonna get a virus (virii). So there. If you download a map,level, or anything that adds to a game then the virus would have to be executed by the game and that means the developer of the game has to write the virus execution code.Im not a virus writer but it sound a bit far off. Fat chance in other words.
The only way u can get a virus is to download it and click on it. A virus is a ms-dos application. Does the xbox have ms-dos..........uhh i dont think so. Can u get access to all the files on it xbox that r needed for the xbox to run........uhh i dont think so
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Interesting Ogodly, so what you are saying is this
1) OS(kernel) is on ROM and DVDROM only so you cant really do anything with it. All drivers are on DVD etc... So there\'s not really anything to \'hack\' unless the ROM is flashable of course.
2) You\'d have to execute the virii somehow and the Xbox HD doesnt really allow you to do that. The HD is almost invisible to the user it\'s not like windows.
3) You\'d have to obtain the viris first, and considering there probably wont be IM, IRC, Chat, Email, Webbrowsing on the Xbox, you probably wont be running into any of those jack off hacker wannabe\'s.
Xbox works much differently than a PC does. So the hackers making virii for Xbox would have to learn how the system works, because it isnt basic windows. So I\'d say the Xbox is pretty safe, and even if you get a virus for some odd reason you have a system restore disk.
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Ah, the refreshing words of the ignorant type.
Hypothetical situation: Joe Shmo is a hacker. He likes screwin\' around with people\'s fun. The new game "Turbo fighter x^3" has recently come out with the ability to download extra players with new abilities. Mr. Shmo, through genius of his own, sneaks in to the main server and plugs in his little virus into the file containing the most downloaded player: "Mr. Torpedo." This nasty little virus is activated when "Mr. Torpedo" is picked to play. This then converts all of the saved information on the hard drive into, let\'s say, chicken casserol recipies. Or it could be as simple as when "Mr. Torpedo" uses his twister attack, he\'ll explode and the other player will automatically win.
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Now Joe Shmo would have to be a heck of a hacker, and have someone on the inside helpin\' him out. But it can happen. I\'m not saying that it will, but that it can happen.
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I can\'t wait for "Turbo fighter x^3" come out, that game will rock! Oh, wait. . . nevermind!
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Troglodyte nice try! but no cigar
Again, anything is possible, but what we are discussing is the probability of this becoming a serious issue, and like I stated before, I doubt it will be.
You want to worry about something, worry about the PS2 and it\'s so called HDD add-on. Since you will be able to surf the net freely and download anything with PS2, you can beat your ass that a virus will be a waiting for those people.
I\'m mean heck someone could hack into the government defense satellite and blow up cities, but the question is what are the chances of it actually takening place. In the world of computers the possibilities are unlimited, and I\'m sure there will be people out there looking to mess with the XBOX.
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That cigar, it\'s a Black & Mild. ;) Cheap, yet smooth.
I was just counter-acting the statements that it can\'t happen. I agree, it probably won\'t. BUT IT CAN.
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Oh no I agree with you there, there is the potential for anything computerized to be messed with, but even if they were somehow in a blue moon able to reach the xbox to what extent could they really do damage to it. All you have to do is erase that game file or whatever is corrupted. People are forgetting XBOX is not a PC, Think of the 10gb as only a temporary storage device, nothing more.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Nope I disagree. Sure the XBOX has more fragile components but like Ogodly said GC will be a system that majority of kids will own, and KIDS are not very good with keeping there toys in one place. So instead of looking at which system is more fragile, look at who will own the GC to the XBOX. One more thing I\'m sure the kids are going to love to take there lunch box over to there friends place, with GC being a mobile system more instances can take place where the machine can get damaged. I doubt people are going to carry there xbox machine around.
I\'m not arguing which console will break more, I am arguing which console has a greater possibility of breaking and IMHO it is the Xbox. If the GCN and PS2 had HDD built in then it would come down to design but since they don\'t the xbox is more likely to break.
Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Really, it seems little miss gohan here forgot that xbox cords detach from the controller. MS did this specifically for the reason you just stated above, so that in case someone does walk by the cord it will not pull down the machine, instead it will de-attach from the controller.
Oh no! Personal attacks! :( I was just giving an example of what could happen and the fact that they would even put that on means they are worried about their console falling on the ground.
BTW, Grow up.
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Really, it seems little miss gohan here forgot that xbox cords detach from the controller. MS did this specifically for the reason you just stated above, so that in case someone does walk by the cord it will not pull down the machine, instead it will de-attach from the controller.
At Least with the GC you have the option at launch to not have any cords....
Like everyone else, its a slight possiblity but it can happen. But if there was a virus it could do something like, disable the Nvidia\'s fan. Resulting in major freeze up problems, and you wouldn\'t know why its happening. There is always a way. Also the virus could not allow the DVD Backup disc to be read. Virus possiblities are endless.
Ogodlything, read what I said earlier:
I was talking about the HD in the XBox. I am saying that [if] the GameCube will be dropped, it might break, but the XBox is much more delicate then the cube [because of the HD].
ughhh.........
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Like everyone else, its a slight possibility but it can happen. But if there was a virus it could do something like, disable the Nvidia\'s fan. Resulting in major freeze up problems, and you wouldn\'t know why its happening. There is always a way. Also the virus could not allow the DVD Backup disc to be read. Virus possibilities are endless.
Ok now your making this up. You are a thin line my friend, how the hell are you going to disable the NVIDIA fan, IMG this is pathetic, are you that desperate for many sort of answer that you would go this far out on a limb. Also how could the virus not allow the dvd backup disc not to work, it\'s hardware not software buddy, THE XBOX does not have an OS on board there for you can not screw around with the laser reader.
UNDERSTAND THIS SON, there is no OS in the XBOX, and by the way even if there was, you still couldn\'t turn the fan off.
DUDE did you even bother to read my previous posts on this, there is no way you did, either that or your comprehension isn\'t up to par. Go back and re-read it, there is no excuse for what you just posted, it\'s ridiculously idiotic. what you just said to me is like saying this..."if they hack psx2 they can make the system get up walk on four legs and run into traffic"
Ogodlything, read what I said earlier:
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I was talking about the HD in the XBox. I am saying that [if] the GameCube will be dropped, it might break, but the XBox is much more delicate then the cube [because of the HD].
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ughhh.........
No this is what you said
Orginally posted by JediMaster[/i]
Yeah, but if your XBox drops off of a shelf, if the harddrive is broken, your XBox is totaled. While if you just use memory cards, you always are on the go, and never had to worry about loosing your files
I then said that if both GC and XBOX fell of a shelf they would both be JUNK. Also If the XBOX does survive the fall and the HDD breaks that can be replaced, so the system is not junk yet. ANother thing, if you drop your console in the first place than your idoit, learn to take care of your things, when you go buy a 2000 dollar receiver I don\'t hear people complaining about "what happenes if I drop this" well what do you think moron, LOL, LOL.....
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Oh no! Personal attacks! I was just giving an example of what could happen and the fact that they would even put that on means they are worried about their console falling on the ground.
WOW! he, he BACK-UP there greenbow! who said anything about personal attacks, it\'s called having a sense of humor. Also I understand that you were just giving an example, but an unrealistic one, which does not apply to XBOX, therefore it has no merits on which to stand on. MS is was smart to implement that little extra feature.
At Least with the GC you have the option at launch to not have any cords....
Wrong again, Interact has a cordless controller for the XBOX using Radio Frequencies. Also with the GC wireless controller is more bulkier than the corded one, weighs more and LACKS the rumble feature. As for the Interact controller for XBOX I have no idea about it\'s features other than it\'s cordless. I still think corded controllers are better right now.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Ok now your making this up. You are a thin line my friend, how the hell are you going to disable the NVIDIA fan, IMG this is pathetic, are you that desperate for many sort of answer that you would go this far out on a limb. Also how could the virus not allow the dvd backup disc not to work, it\'s hardware not software buddy, THE XBOX does not have an OS on board there for you can not screw around with the laser reader.
There are software programs that can shut down a certian program once it is loaded. I\'m not talking about messing up the laser dumbass.
UNDERSTAND THIS SON, there is no OS in the XBOX, and by the way even if there was, you still couldn\'t turn the fan off.
When there is a will there is a way.
DUDE did you even bother to read my previous posts on this, there is no way you did, either that or your comprehension isn\'t up to par. Go back and re-read it, there is no excuse for what you just posted, it\'s ridiculously idiotic. what you just said to me is like saying this..."if they hack psx2 they can make the system get up walk on four legs and run into traffic"
No, it would be impossible for the thing to get up and walk away because it doesn\'t have legs atached;) Why though should I even waste my time to argue with you. Your mind is set on the XBox being the dominate force of all gaming consoles ever. No one is going to change your mind, until you can see it happen.
No this is what you said
Yeah, thats what I also said. But just watch, the price for a new HD would be about 70-100 bucks just to get your XBox running, because they know that you need it to run your system, so why not make a hell of a profit out of someones idiotic move?
I then said that if both GC and XBOX fell of a shelf they would both be JUNK. Also If the XBOX does survive the fall and the HDD breaks that can be replaced, so the system is not junk yet. ANother thing, if you drop your console in the first place than your idoit, learn to take care of your things, when you go buy a 2000 dollar receiver I don\'t hear people complaining about "what happenes if I drop this" well what do you think moron, LOL, LOL......
When the console falls, its usually because of my pets (which are very stupid and walk into the cords), or someone who is trying to get over them. You are talking like I purposely drop my systems on the ground. Soon though, I will have it on the floor next to the HDTV and I won\'t have to worry about that. If your talking about Satelite recievers which are only about 500 dollars, not 2 grand, why would you drop one of those. This is my last post in this topic and hopefully the last I have to debate against the XBox. Whatever happens, the XBox is not going to do very well in Japan, and that cripples its US abilities, and future consoles and games to come for the system and Microsoft.
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There are software programs that can shut down a certian program once it is loaded. I\'m not talking about messing up the laser dumbass.
Sigh...Like I said all the programs for the XBOX console, ie: The OS is on the GAME DISC, not the system. So there is nothing to shut it down, DUMBASS
When there is a will there is a way.
When there is a DUMBASS there is a WAY. The fan turns on when you press the power button, just like the SEGA DC. In other words it is activated HARDWARE wise, so please tell me how you are going to turn the fan off MORON, when all a hacker can do is use software.
Why though should I even waste my time to argue with you.
It\'s obvious that the person here wasting there time arguing is me. Your head is so thick; it would take A-Bomb to get through to you. Dosen\'t matter what anyone says, you will stick to your guns even if there are not there. You will delude yourself into beleiving what ever you say even when I probve it wrong. I\'m tired of playing this same old dance with you. It\'s just the same music over and over.
Yeah, that’s what I also said. But just watch, the price for a new HD would be about 70-100 bucks just to get your XBox running, because they know that you need it to run your system, so why not make a hell of a profit out of someones idiotic move?
That\'s nice, but it still doesn’t change what you said. I responded due to that statement.
If your talking about Satelite recievers which are only about 500 dollars, not 2 grand, why would you drop one of those.
I see my mistake, I ment a stereo receiver. You ask why would someone drop one of those, I don\'t know maybe you could tell me. Your the one who brought up the stupid topic that if XBOX fell of a shelf it would break, and I came in to say that if GC fell of a shelf it too would break. See when people buy a stereo receiver they don\'t go with the attitude of " hey what happens if I drop this" people know what will happen it\'s common sense.
This is my last post in this topic and hopefully the last I have to debate against the XBox.
Let me rephrase that for you "This is my last topic and hopefully the last I have to debate against my own stupidity"[/i]
See now that makes alot more sense.
Nintendo products have always been the most durable
Compared to what, the SEGA systems. Please give me a link proving this, cause as far as my memory serves me, The NES for example had many problems. The truth is nobody knows who makes studier products.
Your mind is set on the XBox being the dominate force of all gaming consoles ever. No one is going to change your mind, until you can see it happen
Nope My mind is set on THE PC being the best there is and the best there ever will be, that is my opinion, and I\'m entitled to it. Also look who is talking, your mind is set as ANTI-XBOX it\'s so obvious in your posts, but that\'s ok you too are entitled to your own opinion, but since this is console debating I will challenge your posts if you leave them with nothing to back them up or if I feel very strongly opposed to your view of things, that is why this is called CONSOLE DEBATING.
PS. JediMaster if you have anything further to say to me, than PLEASE "PM ME", but let\'s both of us stop spamming this thread OK.
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First of like TheOgodlyThing said if you drop both of them then you are screwed. You are saying a simple fall and xbox is likely to break. You don\'t know that. I am sure ms has tested how much the xbox can take before it breaks. Just like Sony and Nintendo. With all 3 console i DON\'t think a simple bump will break any of them. It\'s throwing it out the window and up against wall I am worried about.
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No, the SD cards will get closer and closer to XBox\'s HD. In 2004, they are releasing a 4 GB SD card. It will probably be expensive, but I\'m guessing that it would be affordable towards the end of the GC\'s life span (since the 4 GB cards comes out 3 years after GC\'s launch.)
http://www.tendobox.com/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?category=3&id=994973940
Apparently, they are doubling the size of the cards each year, so if they continue doing that then we would see 8 GB cards in 2005 and 16 GB cards in 2006.
Again, the cards would probably run 100 bucks or more, but the option is there.
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First of like TheOgodlyThing said if you drop both of them then you are screwed
It all depends XBOX how and where it is droped from. When I say they will both break, i\'m using the example of both of them falling of someone\'s HT rack. Also MS has taken many precautions, to make sure this sort of thing does not take place.
No, the SD cards will get closer and closer to XBox\'s HD. In 2004, they are releasing a 4 GB SD card. It will probably be expensive, but I\'m guessing that it would be affordable towards the end of the GC\'s life span (since the 4 GB cards comes out 3 years after GC\'s launch.)
I understand but 3 problems here.
1. 2004, by then who gives a **** the next breed of consoles will soon be comming, and already people would have owned the GC for 3 years by now.
2. It will still be expensive, so not everyone will get one, also it would be considered an add-on.
3. Developers aren\'t going to make games only for the small portion of those with SD cards.
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Your Xbox won\'t be hacked remotely by a hacker ever, and you\'ll never get a virus on your Xbox, maybe a few bugs though... :p j/k
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Sigh...Like I said all the programs for the XBOX console, ie: The OS is on the GAME DISC, not the system. So there is nothing to shut it down, DUMBASS
When there is a DUMBASS there is a WAY. The fan turns on when you press the power button, just like the SEGA DC. In other words it is activated HARDWARE wise, so please tell me how you are going to turn the fan off MORON, when all a hacker can do is use software.
It\'s funny to see the veins pop out of your forhead when you get mad! (Symbolically speaking, of course.)
A hacker can interrupt power feeds. If the hacker overloads the hard drive in a specific way a slight surge can be directed to the fan control, shorting out and terminating the fan. The console does have an "OS" but not in the conventional PC sence. There is a chip that controls motorized functions, if it\'s surged by an overload program snuck in by a hacker through the modem attachment, it\'ll terminate whatever it needs to. Hardware cannot run without some form of software, being the insructions for operations. And all of the pieces are connected in some form or fasion. So yes, the fan could be made to turn off.
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It\'s funny to see the veins pop out of your forhead when you get mad! (Symbolically speaking, of course.)
A hacker can interrupt power feeds. If the hacker overloads the hard drive in a specific way a slight surge can be directed to the fan control, shorting out and terminating the fan. The console does have an "OS" but not in the conventional PC sence. There is a chip that controls motorized functions, if it\'s surged by an overload program snuck in by a hacker through the modem attachment, it\'ll terminate whatever it needs to. Hardware cannot run without some form of software, being the insructions for operations. And all of the pieces are connected in some form or fasion. So yes, the fan could be made to turn off.
LMAO!!!!!!! wow you have been watching to much TV. Seriouslt though, this is pathetic, who in there right mind is going to go all through this trouble to pull something like this off, which still might not be possible.
Man you need to rest of the case, honestly and go play your PS2, GT3 is really good.
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It\'s funny to see the veins pop out of your forhead when you get mad
as my friend HERRENVOLK used to say, RIGHTTTTTTTTTTT......
A hacker can interrupt power feeds. If the hacker overloads the hard drive in a specific way a slight surge can be directed to the fan control, shorting out and terminating the fan. The console does have an "OS" but not in the conventional PC sence. There is a chip that controls motorized functions, if it\'s surged by an overload program snuck in by a hacker through the modem attachment, it\'ll terminate whatever it needs to. Hardware cannot run without some form of software, being the insructions for operations. And all of the pieces are connected in some form or fasion. So yes, the fan could be made to turn off.
What movie is this??? , NVIDIA might know..he,he Well gentlemen it looks like the worlds most talented hackers are going to go through all this trouble to do what MR Troglodyte has desribe above, and all for what. There is a one to million chance of this happening to someone, if it even ever takes place.
YAWN......
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
LMAO!!!!!!! wow you have been watching to much TV. Seriouslt[sic] though, this is pathetic, who in there right mind is going to go all through this trouble to pull something like this off, which still might not be possible.
Man you need to rest of the case, honestly[sic] and go play your PS2, GT3 is really good.
Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
What movie is this??? ,[sic] NVIDIA might know..he,he Well gentlemen it looks like the worlds[sic] most talented hackers are going to go through all this trouble to do what MR[sic] Troglodyte has desribe[sic] above, and all for what. There is a one to million chance of this happening to someone, if it even ever takes place. . . YAWN......
Don\'t go dissin\' my hobby dude! I\'m just posting to give possabilities of what can be done by a hacker. It\'s been done before in a California Eletrical plant. Someone overloaded a "computer" that had nothing to do with the power-relay switches, but it still sent a surge powerful enough to switch the polarity on some cable, and gave a small area of Cali a brownout for a couple hours.
I\'m just stating what can happen, not what will happen. Probably nothing. There is nothing to gain from hacking in a rudimentary program into a game console network.
And like I said, it\'s not anything worth it, but it can happen.
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I have already said many times before anything is possible when it comes to computer hacking, but the real issue here is what is realistically probable to occur, and what you just described above is possible, but the chances of that ever occurring is so slim.
I mean we could theorize all day of the possible attacks people may conger up to destroy XBOX, but I doubt any of that will ever take place.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
I have already said many times before anything is possible when it comes to computer hacking, but the real issue here is what is realistically probable to occur, and what you just described above is possible, but the chances of that ever occurring is so slim.
I mean we could theorize all day of the possible attacks people may conger up to destroy XBOX, but I doubt any of that will ever take place.
Ryght, so where is our argument?
It can happen, but it probably won\'t, hackers have bigger fish to fry.
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As someone already said, if you have a device that connects to the web and it has a storage device then there is a risk, no matter how small, that a virus can be obtained. Last time I looked, all of the net-gen consoles fit that description.
I would argue that the Xbox is the least likely to contract a virus as it is the only console to have a very closed network. By that I mean that you are not going to be web browsing, down loading porn, checking you e-mail, playing with PC players, etc. The Xbox network is just that, a network composed of Xbox\'s (and Xbox certified servers). Because of that, your exposure to viruses is reduced to a level that no other console can claim a right to.
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Ryght, so where is our argument?
HUH? it\'s right here in the thread go find it, I said it many times before.
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As someone already said, if you have a device that connects to the web and it has a storage device then there is a risk, no matter how small, that a virus can be obtained. Last time I looked, all of the net-gen consoles fit that description.
I would argue that the Xbox is the least likely to contract a virus as it is the only console to have a very closed network. By that I mean that you are not going to be web browsing, down loading porn, checking you e-mail, playing with PC players, etc. The Xbox network is just that, a network composed of Xbox\'s (and Xbox certified servers). Because of that, your exposure to viruses is reduced to a level that no other console can claim a right to.
I have said all already Hoj3, and it still seems nobody has got the just of it.
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Yeah, but a hacker could send over a program to make the HD Spin so fast it would blow the console up:D j/k. I would say it would be easier for someone to get someone inside MS to put bombs in the consoles and just make them blow it up after you turn it on 20 times;)
Accually it might be easier to do it with an XBox in a sense because you know all what the system is. Not like if you are a PC hacker and you don\'t know what each Computer has. I take that back about my last post in this topic sense the big yelling and screaming has died down. But still, hacking the Xbox would take an incredibly good hacker, with maybe 4 or 5 ace hackers on a team to do it... But if their that good then they should just have a job making software or something sense they are so good. It probably won\'t happen but it could.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
HUH? it\'s right here in the thread go find it, I said it many times before.
If you are still sticking to the original statement in your first post, saying that the xbox cannot get a virus, then I still disagree.
The xbox can get a virus, as shown in my previous posts.
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If you are still sticking to the original statement in your first post, saying that the xbox cannot get a virus, then I still disagree.
I never said XBOX is 100% virus free, please find where I said that. I said that the potential for it to get a virus is slim. SO please stop making things up.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Well, I can\'t now because you edited your first post;) You can clearly see where the new words "hard to come by" have been stuck in. Nice try though! Lets not take this into another argument though please.
Edit: Don\'t be fooled my edits! I swear to God he said in there that without an OS that viruses could not happen.
I thought so, but just to be safe I posted what I did. Thanks for pointing that out.
UPDATE: This is some weird bug I\'ve found. I\'m sure JediMaster saw that I had a post here, refuting TheOgodlyOne. After JediMaster made his post, I usded the "quote" button of his post and the website over-wrote over my original post! Whay does it do that? I had a good rebuttal too!
UPDATE: UPDATE: Well, my post is gone, and this post doesn\'t make much sense. Darn it! Well to sum up the post I quoted the line to which JediMaster was reffering, and said that in context (even though it is now uncertain as to if that wa the original statement) that TheOgodlyThing seemed to imply that a virus is next to impossible, when in fact, it\'s not. It\'s just as much a challenge as any other hack, and can be done. But not much can be profited from it.
I hate it that my post was over-written!
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Well, I can\'t now because you edited your first post;) You can clearly see where the new words "hard to come by" have been stuck in. Nice try though! Lets not take this into another argument though please.
Edit: Don\'t be fooled my edits! I swear to God he said in there that without an OS that viruses could not happen.
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where did I edit???????? explain
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I\'ll explain what they are saying OGODLY
I decided to go back and check the first page and on the first post you Ogodly you said this
Yeah keep dreaming, Virus from what??? XBOX will not be used to browse the net, so no virus.
Then right after JediMaster quoted you, with the same matching quote, therefore I don\'t see how OGODLY edited his post, so you are indeed just making this SHlT up jedimaster
If you are still sticking to the original statement in your first post, saying that the xbox cannot get a virus, then I still disagree.
And if you learned to read, you would have noticed that he quickly made his point clear after that thread. It seems to me that you guys have no real valid argument going on here. Everything has been explained regarding the issue, so get a CLUE!!
ALso I think this thread shoud be closed, SO MODS if you could please just end this, we would be doing everybody a favour.
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I wanted a discussion about SD cards, but instead people turn it into a flame war. :( Sigh... woe is me.
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Originally posted by hyper
I wanted a discussion about SD cards, but instead people turn it into a flame war. :( Sigh... woe is me.
Yup, that sucks... when Ogodly isnt posting stupid jokes, he\'s fighting with Nintendo fans....
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I wish it never got this way....
Somewhere there I saw that it said that the text had changed. Now its back to what it was originally. I didn\'t make it up I saw it. Either I was crazy or I acidently scrolled down a lot farther and missed it or something. I don\'t know if it was me or you but that text clearly read:
Yeah keep dreaming, Virus from what??? XBOX will not be used to browse the net, so a virus would be hard to come by.
Moderators could track that and could probably see that edit in there, it would be just as easy to edit it out but it was there somewhere. Oh well, who cares. Its all in the fun people. We don\'t need to get caught in stupid debates like this.
Since he posted before you Nvidia, he could still go back and edit the post before you saw it. I am 90% sure that it was edited and re edited. I bet that Tri could vouch for me on that, that he saw that it had been edited.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
I wish it never got this way....
Somewhere there I saw that it said that the text had changed. Now its back to what it was originally. I didn\'t make it up I saw it. Either I was crazy or I acidently scrolled down a lot farther and missed it or something. I don\'t know if it was me or you but that text clearly read:
Yeah keep dreaming, Virus from what??? XBOX will not be used to browse the net, so a virus would be hard to come by.
Moderators could track that and could probably see that edit in there, it would be just as easy to edit it out but it was there somewhere. Oh well, who cares. Its all in the fun people. We don\'t need to get caught in stupid debates like this.
Yup, I saw that too...
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Yup, that sucks... when Ogodly isnt posting stupid jokes, he\'s fighting with Nintendo fans....
Oh look the ASSH0LE is back. I thought this loser got banned. What are you doing here, I figured your tired pathetic ass would have taken a hint, and gone else were. Well I guess not, too bad.
Yup, I saw that too...
No you saw dido, your just lying, we all know you hate OGODLy, besides I was here watching the posts take place, so when jedimaster said he changed it I checked before OGODLY posted back. SO you ETHUGG are just a lying sack of shlt.
Since he posted before you Nvidia, he could still go back and edit the post before you saw it. I am 90% sure that it was edited and re edited. I bet that Tri could vouch for me on that, that he saw that it had been edited.
Could have, but really it\'s your word agaist his, but who really cares, I thought we were discussing something else.
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Yup, that sucks... when Ogodly isnt posting stupid jokes, he\'s fighting with Nintendo fans....
Yeah and when Ethugg isn\'t jacking off, he\'s insulting MODS. Ethugg as it was said in the matrix " you are a cancer of this planet a disease, and I am the CURE"
LOL, that always put\'s a smile to my face.
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Oh no! I\'m being insulted by the 2 biggest Xbox fanboys on the forum! What ever will I do?
NVIDIA256- I know what the fuc* I read, your the lying sack of shi+. Or your blind. Either way, Jedi is right.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Yeah keep dreaming, Virus from what??? XBOX will not be used to browse the net, so no virus. <-- Are you guys all talking about this part of Ogodly\'spost??
SD memory cards cannot replace HDD, Even if you had a 600mb SD card(which would cost you and arm and leg) it still couldn\'t even come close to what a HDD is capable to accomplish in gaming.
Yeah and if you drop your lunch box it\'s toast as well, what\'s your point. Also did you forget that XBOX will have memory cards as well, for those who wanna take there game files to a friends.
Well then good luck nintendo, would have been better off to just stick a HDD in the thing.
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Ethugg watch out, with that high blood pressure of yours, there is no telling what could happen to you.
Oh yeah I\'m a real XBOX fanboy, I\'m betting 100 bucks that if you are planning to get XBOX you\'ll have one before me. I\'m sorry but PC gaming Rules!!! console gaming to me is the left overs.
I must admit it was so much better when mm banned you, such peace was possible to experience around here. It\'s shame your back, I hope you pull something stupid like you did with mm again, maybe next there will permanently ban you, he, he.
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Wow TheOgodlything...
I think you should be banned. This is what happens, Someone starts a thread in console debating, about "SD memory cards". Then Someone makes a comment that sets you off, you ruin the thread, Ethugg argues with you, and all your toadies come in and back you up, and then it turns to childish name calling. Face it, THREAD RUINER!
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I messed up a thread or 2 in my time but damn! 2 in one day! I can\'t beat that...
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Wow TheOgodlything...
I think you should be banned. This is what happens, Someone starts a thread in console debating, about "SD memory cards". Then Someone makes a comment that sets you off, you ruin the thread, Ethugg argues with you, and all your toadies come in and back you up, and then it turns to childish name calling. Face it, THREAD RUINER!
Thread get\'s ruined cause retards like you come in and aggravate the situation, entirely motivated by pure hatred.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Thread get\'s ruined cause retards like you come in and aggravate the situation, entirely motivated by pure hatred.
Oh, don\'t turn the tables on me... Is this how you try to defend yourself from the obvious? Where is your proof? I didn\'t post ONCE in this thread. But I have proof of what you do... What do you have to offer, baised hatread? Why am I motivated by hatred? The Xbox is a video game console, bucko. chunks of platic and silicon. Like all the others... And I\'m getting one. So what do I hate? I have pure hatred for you...
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Animal he ment the hatred you feel towards him, not the XBOX you GAMECUBE fanboy, so shup up you idoit.
Any of the mods will see that not me or OGT came here in trashing the place, instead it was the stupid ass biased morons that did it. This is really pathetic, I hope a MOD comes in here and closes this usless thread.
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That\'s enough name calling for 1 year.
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Guys, chill out. You sound like your families\' honors are on the line... It\'s just another thread on the net, nothing to get so worked up over.
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I stand by what I said...