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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: hyper on July 13, 2001, 08:58:10 AM
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http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=1810
If this feeling continues, the FF series will likely appear on the X-Box. Nintendo on the other hand, needs to be happy with what they can get, instead of "To develop games on the GC, you must give us your pants, your house, your wife, and your children."
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oh course it will end up on all consoles. This way, it wil make the FF online community bigger which would lead to more players. Imagine if Phantasy Star Online was multi-platform!
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FFXI is going to appear on other consoles, but not the series. Thats way too big of an assumption.
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Well, if not the FF series, then maybe Square\'s other games?? The Chrono or Xeno series aren\'t under any exclusivity contract.
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i dont know, sony had kept a tight hold on square ever scince they got them... it is a huge advantage on sony\'s part, and a huge thing for us psx2central posters to use in the upcoming debate, (check the main forum)
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Originally posted by Falcon4
i dont know, sony had kept a tight hold on square ever scince they got them
Must not be that tight, XB and maybe GC are getting FFXI, which is called such because it\'s in the series. If it wasn\'t in the series, it would be called FF Online. It\'s not. It\'s XI. XB now will have FF. Deal with it people....
It\'s funny, everyone who\'s so sure that X, XII, etc will always stay PS2 exclusive are equally sure DoA3 and every Sega XB game and Dino Crisis 3 will have all exclusivity thrown out the window by these companies, and that PS2 will get em.... quite funny....
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ZzzzZ.. old news.
How many wishful-thinking topics are there going to be about FF games appearing on the xbox?
XI yes, online-only, pay-to-play, more users = more money.
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Originally posted by datamage
ZzzzZ.. old news.
How many wishful-thinking topics are there going to be about FF games appearing on the xbox?
XI yes, online-only, pay-to-play, more users = more money.
That would apply to any FF:
FFXII PS2 sales+XB sales+GC sales > FFXII PS2 sales
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That would apply to any FF:
FFXII PS2 sales+XB sales+GC sales > FFXII PS2 sales
You\'re right. But this has always been the case with any Square game, and they always decided to stick to one console. I suppose the profits they will earn from the PS2 alone is sufficient enough for them.
FFXI howerver needs to gather the most users as possible to stay alive. An online game w/o many players = a dead game.
Hey, personally I don\'t care where FF ends up. I\'ll get it wherever it goes. No biggie.
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yes, it is a smart buisness move, no doubt, but although they probably will do it, i dont know where people think that they will go x box.. no where in taht article does it say taht they are even thoinking about the x box, they never mentioned it, sure they mentioned cross platform, but when asked which consoles they would do it with they never said x box at all.......
so , you just think that they will put it on x box? hm....
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Originally posted by Krimson
Must not be that tight, XB and maybe GC are getting FFXI, which is called such because it\'s in the series. If it wasn\'t in the series, it would be called FF Online. It\'s not. It\'s XI. XB now will have FF. Deal with it people....
It\'s funny, everyone who\'s so sure that X, XII, etc will always stay PS2 exclusive are equally sure DoA3 and every Sega XB game and Dino Crisis 3 will have all exclusivity thrown out the window by these companies, and that PS2 will get em.... quite funny....
It\'s quite funny how you make assumptions like that. The only reason that square brought it to other systems is because they were worried that the PS2 alone couldn\'t meet a good enough profit for their online game. Simple as that.
I haven\'t heard anybody say that DOA3 or DC3 will have exclusivity "thrown out the window." It\'s pretty obvious you want to start a flame.
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FFXI is an unusual one, especially since FFXII won\'t be online. I think that it may be too much work to write something for all of the consoles. I think the future of the series depends on the ease of transition between the consoles of FFXI.
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Falcon4, the site in your sig is my dream come true. Any idea how you can join the teams??
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Originally posted by ViVi
It\'s quite funny how you make assumptions like that. The only reason that square brought it to other systems is because they were worried that the PS2 alone couldn\'t meet a good enough profit for their online game. Simple as that.
I haven\'t heard anybody say that DOA3 or DC3 will have exclusivity "thrown out the window." It\'s pretty obvious you want to start a flame.
:rolleyes: Whatever... Your 1-Admitting Sony alone isn\'t enough, and 2-Not paying attention to what others have said apparently. Any thread about DoA3 or Segas X games has had at least one GC fanboy and one PS2 fanboy jump in with \'Oh, those will end up being ported... they won\'t stay exclusive\'... so my point was valid.
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Originally posted by Krimson
:rolleyes: Whatever... Your 1-Admitting Sony alone isn\'t enough, and 2-Not paying attention to what others have said apparently. Any thread about DoA3 or Segas X games has had at least one GC fanboy and one PS2 fanboy jump in with \'Oh, those will end up being ported... they won\'t stay exclusive\'... so my point was valid.
Yes, I sure am. Thats why I made that long thread of putting XBOX in front of PS2.
You haven\'t been here long enough to actually know someone like that.
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Originally posted by ViVi
It\'s quite funny how you make assumptions like that. The only reason that square brought it to other systems is because they were worried that the PS2 alone couldn\'t meet a good enough profit for their online game. Simple as that.
It has nothing to do with them being worried about PS2 meeting their profit goals. They want to MAXIMIZE profit by getting it out to as many people as possible. The positives of their plan outweigh the negatives. Simple as that.
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theyll probably do it, its a smart plan from a buisness POV.... and square isnt stupid, so they will.
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Originally posted by ViVi
You haven\'t been here long enough to actually know someone like that.
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Not being here, and not posting are 2 different things... I\'ve been here longer than you think.
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Originally posted by Krimson
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Not being here, and not posting are 2 different things... I\'ve been here longer than you think.
sure sure, like we\'re gonna blieve a newbie :)
Krimson, i really dont think Square will port all or even most of their games to other consoles...announcing the possiblility of an XBox FFXI isnt confirmation that the FFSeries or any other game is headed that way...look at the N64...capcom released Res. Evil 2 (possibly their biggest game) and none others (correct me if im wrong)
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FFXI is going to XB, PC and PS2. And FFXI is part of the FF series. Nuff said.
You betta believe a newbie! Newbie Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How much will FFXI make if its ported over to other consoles in comparison to the series.
Lets see
FFX if ported would make 49.99 - Markup - Licenesing – Shipping – Porting Fee
FFXI if ported would make 49.99 - Markup - Licenesing - Shipping + (9.99 a month - Server fees) – Porting Fees
I remember squaresoft saying they had to have a certain number of subscribers to break even on playonline.. well this is the only way to do it.
You won\'t see any other square games multiplatform unless its an online game AND has monthly fees.
Besides nothing is confirmed, neither Xbox or NGC were mentioned, only “other platforms” Also, no DATE has been mentioned. So it could be 6 or more months before its even seen on other consoles, If its ever seen. So before Xbox and NGC fanboys call this a "victory" it’s just the opposite. Square is using you believe it or not, online games make mucho denero in comparison to other games, they just need alot of subscribers and it’s the best way for them to get their playonline service working.
Expect the same thing to happen with Phantasy Star Online.. but, as you may already know Sega is not the brightest light in the hallway…
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Originally posted by Chrono
How much will FFXI make if its ported over to other consoles in comparison to the series.
Lets see
FFX if ported would make 49.99 - Markup - Licenesing – Shipping – Porting Fee
FFXI if ported would make 49.99 - Markup - Licenesing - Shipping + (9.99 a month - Server fees) – Porting Fees
?? So how is porting FFX to other consoles, receiving twice the profit, added to the income Square will get for porting FFXI, going to hurt them?? I don\'t see what they\'ll have to lose, unless Square holds their loyalty to Sony above all logic.
Besides nothing is confirmed, neither Xbox or NGC were mentioned, only “other platforms”[/B]
Come on, what could these "other platforms" be?? Saturn??
Also, no DATE has been mentioned. So it could be 6 or more months before its even seen on other consoles, If its ever seen.
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That\'s right, no date HAS been mentioned. So on the same token, FFXI could appear in our faces only a week after the PS2 version\'s release!!
So before Xbox and NGC fanboys call this a "victory" it’s just the opposite. Square is using you believe it or not, online games make mucho denero in comparison to other games, they just need alot of subscribers and it’s the best way for them to get their playonline service working.
Does that mean that I\'ve been used every time I\'ve bought a game?? Dev\'s need a lot of buyers so they advertise. Square needs a lot of subscribers so they expand. Is there a difference??
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hey all!
well its probaly for sure FFXI will appear on all systems, but FFXI will be released for PS2 and PC way before XBOX and Gamecube!
and also just because FFXI will appear on XBOX and GC, it doesnt mean FFXII will appear on it. FFXII is still PS2 bound! this could change of course, but Square knows better!: )
http://sonyweb.com/news/0701/052.html
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Originally posted by Chrono
You won\'t see any other square games multiplatform unless its an online game AND has monthly fees.
Now you simply do not know that. It used to be that Square was in Nintendo\'s pocket and would never leave, and then it was that Square would never make games for the GCN and Xbox. Now its that Square will make games for "other consoles"... but only if they are online? Once you open the flood gates and Square is experienced at working on other consoles, it would be ineffecient to not put those skills to use on other titles.
Besides nothing is confirmed, neither Xbox or NGC were mentioned, only “other platforms”
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"If we want to do financially well online, we need to exist across all consoles."
Come on... "all consoles" should tell you right away. What other consoles could he possibly mean?
So it could be 6 or more months before its even seen on other consoles, If its ever seen.
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MMORPGs seem to be uniquely timeless so time is a big concern as far as GCN and Xbox only users are concerned. About the "If" part; since Square said they needed to spread out to other consoles then it would seem that "If" no longer fits.
So before Xbox and NGC fanboys call this a "victory" it’s just the opposite. Square is using you believe it or not, online games make mucho denero in comparison to other games, they just need alot of subscribers and it’s the best way for them to get their playonline service working.
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Sqaure is using the Xbox/GCN only crowd for money... and in exchange for this money they get a game? Isn\'t that what they are doing with PS2 gamers?
Expect the same thing to happen with Phantasy Star Online.. but, as you may already know Sega is not the brightest light in the hallway… [/B]
Sega sounds like they are going the EA route where "exclusive" means "you get it first, and then every one else gets it too".
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My 2 cents-
If nintendo and xbox get their online s h i t together
and xbox doesn\'t flop, ffXI will for sure be on other platforms. My guess is it will show on other systems
latter simply for the fact that they may not have their online plans in motion yet. As for the rest of the series going multi-platform, I\'ll wait and see. Alot of time going multi takes some of the focus out of the game dev and degrades the product. Maybe square will sell publishing right for other systems to other companies like with edios and PC. We\'ll see.
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My 2 cents-
Square is going to put FFXI on the Xbox too and then after Nintendo gets a new president then Nintendo will get FFXI. And when Konami can take their head out of their ass Nintendo will get more mature games.
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FFXI
Here are a few things to keep in mind as far as Square being multiconsole.
1. Sakaguchi is not involved in any business aspects anymore, he\'s just talking about what may happen, far from guaranteed.
2. Nintendo refused Square any Gamecube developement kits. Also, Yamauchi has been an ass to them, time and time again. That is a large obsticle to overcome before Square will appear on a Nintendo system.
3. The game that will be going multiplatform, if any, will be FFXI, so that they can make tons of money on the PlayOnline subscriptions. Online games need a large userbase to be effective.
4. Microsoft has stated time and again that they want all Xbox online games running through their network, and supposedly they don\'t want their games to be able to interact with other console\'s games. Square won\'t make a profit off this scheme, and so they won\'t do it. MS needs to cave on this, and since they\'ve been talking about this for quite a while with absolutely no headway, don\'t expect any big revelations to hit soon.
Square wants to test the waters with FFXI first, it doesn\'t look like Nintendo will give them the opportunity, and there are some large problems to iron out before you can see it on Xbox. Then there is always the chance that if one or both of these fall through, Sony will "lend" Square some money, kind of as a reminder of who was their big meal ticket last generation.
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I remember articles on how many subscribers they need to break even on Playonline.com
An online game of the FFXI type costs a fortune! You need servers.. not just one, you need many servers. And these cost a fortune! You need GMs which cost money hourly. In order for a online game to make money, and for a company like square to make money without any other online services (they don\'t have a spare server lying around like Sony probably did with everquest) they need as many subscribers as they can get.
On top of that, People pay monthly for this service, and not everybody is ready for that. Lets see how PSO V2 does.. sad part is, PSO v2 is not even a MMRPG, its a TMRPG
Also, we still don\'t know, how long it will be till it goes elsewhere. IGN says that FFX, and FFXI are exclusive for a year. I doubt that has changed.
You can\'t use history as an example either if it does go to multiple platforms. Online games work differently. They are radically different from disc only games. There has never been a situation similar to this to use as example and use as a historical reference.
In other words, square is paranoid about their online system being successfull. Right now other platforms are only being considered. Square will see how the PC and PS2 versions do.
And why has IGN not posted anything on it?
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Originally posted by Chrono
On top of that, People pay monthly for this service, and not everybody is ready for that. Lets see how PSO V2 does.. sad part is, PSO v2 is not even a MMRPG, its a TMRPG
PSO v2 is paid quarterly, not monthly. $15. (That divides up to $5 a month.)
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I don\' t believe Square will ever develope on the GC.
Although Yamaguchi might retire soon, it doesn\'t matter. The new head honcho will simply deny Square on board. Square is in a direct conflict with Nintendo, and not with the old hag Yamaguchi himself.
The game FF XI will most likely be an mmorpg. Those games require the use of ethernet and a harddrive. Although Nintendo does have an online plan, they are frivolous and the chances of the ethernet and harddrive ever seeing the light of day on the system is pretty much slim to none.
Since the system caters to lil children, the chances of seeing a substantial amount of users going online will be relatively small considering Nintendo will not properly advertise, maintain, and put out the satisfactory effort to forego this venture. Kids will not go online as a result and the majority will simply stick to their Marios and Pokemons and not FF XI online play.
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How can Square not make a profit off of the Xbox? The ethernet will be straight out of the box. Which means it will be "set" for anyone who choses to go online if they have a cable/dsl setup. Theoretically, the system will have a more open base of online users than both of the opposing systems. It does not make sense to say they will not make a profit off of the system considering both the Ps2 and GC will not have a bigger base. To state that is to merely say the game will be a failure even before its conception.
"MS needs to cave on this, and since they\'ve been talking about this for quite a while with absolutely no headway, don\'t expect any big revelations to hit soon. "
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Square themselves have stated that the game is going to "other systems".*fact* I believe that is a big revelation in itself.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
"MS needs to cave on this, and since they\'ve been talking about this for quite a while with absolutely no headway, don\'t expect any big revelations to hit soon. "
Square themselves[sic] have stated that the game is going to "other systems".*fact* I believe that is a big revelation in itself. [/B]
I don\'t think that\'s what Chrono was suggesting by revelation. The statement is made in realtion to xbox working onlin on a closed network. The "big revelation" is when xbox finds out that more profit can be made from an open network.
And even if that wasn\'t what Chrono meant. I would say it myself.
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exactly Troglodyte
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Originally posted by Chrono
exactly Troglodyte
Why thank you good sir! I was a little worried of my presumptions there for a moment.
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1. Square and MS have both said they are in discussions. MS has strongly hinted they have big announcements concerning some big japanese developers that won\'t be announced until later in the year.
2.FFXI will be multiplatform.
3.While PlayOnline doesn\'t jive well with MS\'s online plans well, you will be able to use your own ISP on XB. It\'s not impossible for you to be able to use PO and play FFXI.
Now add all those facts up, with the assumption that MS knows FFXI could sell systems, it\'s not rocket science figuring out that FFXI is 99% likely to come out to XB. And only XB\'s online gaming network is closed. A browser isn\'t out of the question. they\'re keeping that stuff on the down low for now, and focusing on games... like Sony should be and Nintendo is.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
I don\' t believe Square will ever develope on the GC.
Although Yamaguchi might retire soon, it doesn\'t matter. The new head honcho will simply deny Square on board. Square is in a direct conflict with Nintendo, and not with the old hag Yamaguchi himself.
The game FF XI will most likely be an mmorpg. Those games require the use of ethernet and a harddrive. Although Nintendo does have an online plan, they are frivolous and the chances of the ethernet and harddrive ever seeing the light of day on the system is pretty much slim to none.
Since the system caters to lil children, the chances of seeing a substantial amount of users going online will be relatively small considering Nintendo will not properly advertise, maintain, and put out the satisfactory effort to forego this venture. Kids will not go online as a result and the majority will simply stick to their Marios and Pokemons and not FF XI online play.
Ahh, how you make unsupported assumptions. Square does not have a direct conflict with Nintendo; they might have had to grit their teeth with the N64\'s catridge format and Nintendo\'s loyalty fees in the past, but logic and profit prevails over everything in buisness. Oh, and in case you didn\'t know, a GC ehthernet has already been confirmed, photographed, and previewed on every publication ever since Spceworld 2000. Nintendo hasn\'t said anything about a hard drive yet, but seeing how both MS and Sony have both announced one, it\'d be foolish not to. I guess you\'ll just have to wait until SW 2001 for full disclosure on Nintendo\'s online plans.
About the kiddy issue... well, it\'s pointless to explain that for the 1000th time. And honestly, neither of us would be right since none of us has a functioning crystal ball. We\'ll see which userbase the games (not the console design) appeal to after the GC\'s launch.
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Let me rephrase what he said.
"Although discussions are underway, nothing has progress so don\'t expect any revelations anytime soon"
Um that was what I gathered.....
Regarding Nintendo\'s online venture. It is no secret they are not taking the route seriously. Nintendo has stated before that they are not interested in the online market. Although it is a correct presumption that the ethernet might launch, it is also not far fetch to assume it won\'t considering Nintendo\'s frivolous approach towards this aspect of the market. Remember the Dreamcast DVD drive was also "photograghed, confirmed, and previewed" at E3 2000. We all know how that turned out.
Regardless, it will be no secret Nintendo will have the least userbase of the three even if the ethernet were to launch. I doubt they will put out enough funds, effort, advertisement, and games to strongly push online gaming. Thus, out of all the three, Nintendo will be the least attractive to put an FFXI online game on.
The kiddie debate has been beaten to death but I will still add my two cents using a tad bit of common sense.
- The main and possibly only system will come in purple and has a handle.
- Advertising will most likely be on Saturday morning cartoons, cereal boxes, and "kiddie" magazines.
- The controller, with its vast array of huge, colorful buttons, is especially design with kids in mind.
- One of the main reason why the system comes with a cartridge format is "to prevent little children from scratching it".
- The vast majority of the games on the system that are the main draws are Pokemon, Mario, Luigi and such. All games especially made to cater to lil children.
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- One of the main reason why the system comes with a cartridge format is "to prevent little children from scratching it".
This sentence proves you know nothing about Nintendo and should not be taken seriously when you are talking about Nintendo.
My two cents on this:
FFXI will be on all consoles. Don\'t cry Sony fanboys. If FFXI does good on Xbox and NGC, then they\'ll continue to port their games over to make more money, and Square is simply a money grabbing company.
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Another important thing to consider is that Square wants you to buy a PS2. The success of FFX goes hand-in-hand with how many PS2s have been sold and its costs them nothing to not specify the systems they are developing for.
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>"1. Square and MS have both said they are in discussions. MS has strongly hinted they have big announcements concerning some big japanese developers that won\'t be announced until later in the year.
2.FFXI will be multiplatform.
3.While PlayOnline doesn\'t jive well with MS\'s online plans well, you will be able to use your own ISP on XB. It\'s not impossible for you to be able to use PO and play FFXI.
Now add all those facts up"
LOL, those are facts?
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Tshirts... put more research into your "facts" in the near future. That\'s about all I have to say...
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Originally posted by Chrono
LOL, those are facts?
They sure are. I don\'t know why that\'s funny... maybe you can\'t deal with said facts?
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>"They sure are. I don\'t know why that\'s funny... maybe you can\'t deal with said facts?"
Where would you have read these "facts"
Am I susposed to take your word on it?
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Well, you should take my word for it, but heres what I dug up so far:
1-Still looking. It was a Gamespot interview with Ed Fries, but I\'m looking still...
2-Hironobu Sakaguchi, creator of the video games series and executive vice president of Square said to the LA Times:
That certainly is a possibility. In fact, executives at Square are very enthusiastic about Nintendo. Square is moving into online games. "Final Fantasy XI," which will be released next year, will be a fully online game. To make that work, you have to transcend hardware. If we want to do financially well online, we need to exist across all consoles. ( http://teamxbox.msxbox.com/news.php?id=1541 )
\'"Initially, of course, the game will be released for the Sony PlayStation 2 and the PC platform, but in order to gain as broad an audience as possible, we will release it across other consoles in the future." Sakaguchi told GameSpot. \' ( http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2781619,00.html )
3-MS has stated you can use your own ISP. It\'s such a generic proclamation, I can\'t remember where I read it. I am certain it was an MS official though. The rest of this one (it not being impossible to use PO) is a obvious given. MS will have open ended internet access, they said it just wasn\'t a priority (like DVD support), and wouldn\'t be available right away. If you can go online, you can use PO. It\'s common sense.
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1-Sorry, I gave you the source, but I just can\'t find it. If you wanna dig through GS\'s archives, I won\'t stop ya ;) But I know what I read, and Fries strongly hinted they would be having some big announcements later this year involving the \'2 biggest Japanese developers that haven\'t been announced yet\'. The interviewer said \'Square or Enix\' and Fries said somthing about he can\'t say yet, but they would make sense as 3rd party XB supporters. I don\'t see him saying things like that at E3 unless he\'s (at least negotiating) for both of them to be on XB.