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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Bossieman on July 17, 2001, 09:10:42 AM
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Every person in Sweden learns from a very early age that everyone is equally worthy.
Nobody says anything against it.
That is very odd, how can we say that everyone is equally worthy?
I look at the TV-news and see that today 2300 people died in Africa, And I dont even care.
When we had this terrible accident in Ghothenburg when 63 young people died because of a fire at a disco I cried my eyes out.
I have 3 small girls that is more worthy than anything, I would give up anything for them.
If I had to choose between saving one of my daughters life and 6000 peoples life in India, I would have choosen my daughter. I dont think everyone is equally worthy.
Why do people keep saying that everyone is equally worthy when that is obviously not true?
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of course you would choose and cry over people you know. But all people are equal in terms of individuality and freedom in America, which is why I love it.
Eric Jacob
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To quote Mr. Spock of Star Trek "The good of the many, outweigh the good of the one."
It\'s natural to have personal preferences, but when the entire population of the Earth is considered, The Vulcan "proverb" holds true.
This issue is one of the main reasons why America still has debates between Liberal Democrats and Conservative Republicans.
Liberals basically say that everyone should be given an equal opportunity, so help the guys that aren\'t doing too well, and then let them develope their own lives.
While Conservatives basically say "tough luck" you were born with an equal chance, and that\'s all the equal opportunity you\'re gonna get.
I personally don\'t think that we are created genetically equal to one-another. And selfish gains prohibit true equality among people.
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liberal democrats = let\'s give them a free ride without having them work for it (welfare)
conservative republicans = work for your money like the rest of us.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by RichGUK
Not another massive debate by Bossieman. ;) I sort of lost track of that other one and im not reading 17+ pages worth of it.
Ill reply properly later as im busy now but wanted to say that before this debate became 10+ pages. :)
LOL, You just made me laugh. :)
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Not another massive debate by Bossieman. ;) I sort of lost track of that other one and im not reading 17+ pages worth of it.
Ill reply properly later as im busy now but wanted to say that before this debate became 10+ pages. :)
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Everyone is equally worthy of a chance. If you blow that chance, per say you rape and murder someone, you are not equally worthy as someone innocent. I don\'t believe you should suffer captical punishment, but I don\'t think you are equally worthy of freedom.
No one is really free. Not even in America. Racism and homophobia still hold alot of people back in America. Even though they are equally worthy.
You\'re analogy Boss is obvious. Of course, you would rather save one of your daughters then a hundred people. That is your daughter! It is perfectly natrual. Anyone in that situation would chose their daughter. Does that make it the best choice? Probably not. A hundred people are more value-able then one person. But, if you love and care for that person, it can distort your view.
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Racism is a problem in every country that has the diversity that America has. But within the last 50 years, great gains have been made to give freedom and a chance to people of all races and religion.
The sad thing, is that in many of the southern state the KKK still survive to this day and thrive. They are a hate group that run around and blame blacks , Jews, and Catholics on all of the worlds problems. For the most part, and through the government, America is free.
part of our freedom is to be racist or not racist though, as we pleased, it is sad, but that is part of freedom.
Eric Jacob
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IMO everyone human is equal. The reason you care more about your daughter than 6000 people is India is because shes your daughter, naturally you\'re going to care more about her. S
ame goes for all those people in India who died, their families care more about them than your daughter, because they\'re their relatives.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
of course you would choose and cry over people you know. But all people are equal in terms of individuality and freedom in America, which is why I love it.
Eric Jacob
Hmm, What i have understand, Black people have it not to easy in states like Mississipi and others, and you say that every American is equally worthy? It does not make any sence.
The thing is that I just wonder why we keep saying that everyone is equally worthy when we do not act or belive so?
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To be fair. There is the Farrakan people who also are very anti-jew.
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Everyone is very much IMO. :)
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this post just got messed up in order of how things were posted!! it is all out of order!!
strange brew.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
this post just got messed up in order of how things were posted!! it is all out of order!!
strange brew.
Eric Jacob
You too? I thought it was something wrong with my computer? Why do the posts gets screwed up?
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The problem with this is, to say everyone is equal and TRULY believe it - you would have to deattach yourself emotionally from everyone. View everyone as the same. It is impossible to do. You view your daughters as better then everyone. Thats perfectly normal. But, if you could step back and not view them as your daughters. You would see, that they are the equal of everyone else. Just human life. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
if you could step back and not view them as your daughters. You would see, that they are the equal of everyone else. Just human life. Nothing more. Nothing less.
The thing is that I can still make a choise of the most worthy. I would propably chosen the best loking women in the crowd.
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Just to clear up steriotypes. I live in Georgia. I haven\'t heard about any KKK activity in a long time (about a year, but those church burnings a year ago turned out to not be members of the KKK, but just some jerks with nothing better to do, so really it\'s been longer than that).
And I have to say that minorities are growing r=greatly in number and holding top positions in businesses around here.
I\'m not saying that Georgia is cleansed of racists, but it\'s not as bad as the television makes it seem.
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Like LIC said, everyone is worthy of a chance. \'Nuff said. That\'s what\'s meant by the saying of" everyone is equally worthy". It\'s not very difficult to understand. Worthy of what? Worthy of a chance. That\'s how I see this. :) Though I am getting confused myself here... :sconf:
Originally posted by Bossieman
Hmm, What i have understand, Black people have it not to easy in states like Mississipi and others, and you say that every American is equally worthy? It does not make any sence.
So your saying the black people down there aren\'t equally worthy?
*cough* racist *cough*
What have they\'ve done wrong? It\'s those damn white people who aren\'t equally worthy.
But I don\'t think everyone is equal. Hence, I\'m more valuable than a bum on the road, but he\'s still equally worthy of a chance. :)
Bah, this is getting too confusing for me. Everyone is equal...everyone is not eqaul... No one is equally worthy of anything than the next person. Let\'s just leave it at that.
*stops writing before brain explodes*
Right now I just want to point out that in California, WHITE PEOPLE are the minority...seriously. Now I\'m off on a mystical journey to relocate my intelligence/sanity.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Right now I just want to point out that in California, WHITE PEOPLE are the minority...seriously. Now I\'m off on a mystical journey to relocate my intelligence/sanity.
It won\'t be long until the entire nation has a white minority. Just 10-or-so years I think.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Like LIC said, everyone is worthy of a chance. \'Nuff said. That\'s what\'s meant by the saying of" everyone is equally worthy". It\'s not very difficult to understand. Worthy of what? Worthy of a chance. That\'s how I see this. :) Though I am getting confused myself here... :sconf:
So your saying the black people down there aren\'t equally worthy?
*cough* racist *cough*
What have they\'ve done wrong? It\'s those damn white people who aren\'t equally worthy.
But I don\'t think everyone is equal. Hence, I\'m more valuable than a bum on the road, but he\'s still equally worthy of a chance. :)
Bah, this is getting too confusing for me. Everyone is equal...everyone is not eqaul... No one is equally worthy of anything than the next person. Let\'s just leave it at that.
*stops writing before brain explodes*
Right now I just want to point out that in California, WHITE PEOPLE are the minority...seriously. Now I\'m off on a mystical journey to relocate my intelligence/sanity.
I don´t understand one word of this! Go get some sleep Jumpman. :)
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Bossieman
Hmm, What i have understand, Black people have it not to easy in states like Mississipi and others, and you say that every American is equally worthy?
Dude that was slaverly and it was like 150 years ago.
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All people are equal, but your emotions won\'t be shared equally - it\'s human nature. Nobody can love every human being equally much. If we believe in the message of the Bible, we believe that Jesus could.
You care more about your daughter, than those humans in india, as you have emotions towards your daughter. Love is a feeling wich can\'t even be compared with unknowness. To you, the 6000 people in india are numbers, names on a list perhaps, but your daughter to you is a living being with emotions and feelings towards you.
It would be completely natural thing to do, your choice, bossie, but as a human being you\'d blame yourself for the death of those 6000 people for the rest of your life, deny them now or not.
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Right now I just want to point out that in California, WHITE PEOPLE are the minority...seriously.
He\'s right.
I live in California (LA to be exact) and there are only like 3 white guys in my class, most of the people are asian. Same applies for most of the school.
But you know what? I don\'t give a d4mn. I\'m not racist, and like I said, everyone is equal IMO. Most of my friends are either Filipino or Korean.
And yeah, I\'m white. And if you don\'t like that then blow me a$$hole. :rpissed: (not directed at you Jumpman, just at racist scum in general)
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Yeah this thread has became messed up with Bossieman quoting me before i\'d had posted (according to the thread order).
Anyway this is tricky one. Its obvious that Bossieman prefers his daughters over say a stranger he has never met. No need to state the obvious.
It depends what you mean by the words equal. Some people are born with "problems". Prehaps being deformed in someway. This no doubt will hinder them in some form of life, maybe learning might be more of a challenge, hindering their education. So them people don\'t unfortunatly have the same equal chance as we have, since having the ability to read and write is important to be successful in this world.
However when I first read the post I read it as though Bossieman ment that some people are better and more deserving than others. This I think is wrong. Everyone should have the same equal rights in this world. Everyone should be allowed to have freedom of speech etc. No one is better than anyone else. In a sense its what racism is about, for example people saying that white people are better than black people or visa versa because of skin colour, well I don\'t agree with any of it. I don\'t have a racist bone in my body and therefore feel that we are all equally deserving and that no one should be treated worse than anyone else.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
liberal democrats = let\'s give them a free ride without having them work for it (welfare)
conservative republicans = work for your money like the rest of us.
correction:
liberal democrats: let\'s act like we give a damn about equality and take oodles of money to pass laws for the entertainment industry.
conservative: let\'s act like we give a damn about equality and take oodles of money to pass laws for big business.
Either way you look at it they are all corrupt.
Originally posted by Jumpman
But I don\'t think everyone is equal. Hence, I\'m more valuable than a bum on the road, but he\'s still equally worthy of a chance.
Because he is homeless he is less valuable to society? There are some VERY intelligent people living on the street not to mention the war veterans. What have you contributed to society that makes you more valuable than someone else?
I\'m not trying to start an argument. I\'m just trying to understand your train of though.
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No one is equal. Because all human beings are unique in our own way, we can never be equal. We will always have certain attachments (or detachments) that will skew our opinions on things. Why do those 2300 dead Africans not bother you as much? They\'re halfway around the world. You don\'t know them, you never saw them, you never were around anyone like them. You really cannot sympathize with them because, simply, you are too detached. Your daughters on the other hand, you have been very involved with their entire lives since the day they were born. They are very close to you every second of your life. You have extreme attraction to them, because if you lost a daughter, that loss would make itself obvious for the rest of your life. You would always know someone you know very intimately is no longer around. Whereas, the Africans, you never saw them in the first place, so you don\'t notice they\'re gone. It\'s nearly impossible to detach yourself completely from a child or familty member.
Doctors have it worst, I imagine. They have to know their patients very well to treat them properly, and there will be times when they lose a patient in surgery. Doctors have to be close to a patient and at the same time develop an incredible detatchment from them (if they are in a risky sugical field), because if a doctor was attached to too many people that he sees die, he would go insane.
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The fact that u care more bout the people in Gothenburg than in Africa only proves that every human being is not equally worthy to YOU. But it\'s only good that we don\'t feel the same way about everyone. It would be too much to bear.
Those people who die in Africa also have someone who\'s gonna mourn over them, to whom they are the most important person in the world.
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Yeah, what she said:)
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Originally posted by SmallLady
The fact that u care more bout the people in Gothenburg than in Africa only proves that every human being is not equally worthy to YOU. But it\'s only good that we don\'t feel the same way about everyone. It would be too much to bear.
Those people who die in Africa also have someone who\'s gonna mourn over them, to whom they are the most important person in the world.
I do know this, but why do we keep on saying that everyone is equally worthy? We dont act or belive it in anywaw, but when I ask people the just say, of course everyone is equally worthy.
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Originally posted by RichGUK
No one is better than anyone else. In a sense its what racism is about, for example people saying that white people are better than black people or visa versa because of skin colour, well I don\'t agree with any of it.
Ok, lets put it this way, of the 100 fasters persons on this planet (100m) 95 of them are black.
Could you even imagine 3000 meter steepleachasing and a white man win? Never gona happen, the etiopian and Nigeria people always wins this. 10 000 meters too, is it wrong to say that black people are superior white in running?
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Ok, lets put it this way, of the 100 fasters persons on this planet (100m) 95 of them are black.
Could you even imagine 3000 meter steepleachasing and a white man win? Never gona happen, the etiopian and Nigeria people always wins this. 10 000 meters too, is it wrong to say that black people are superior white in running?
Well.. lol...
Here is my view.
Maybe the black people there had the chance to run.
For example... Let\'s say there is a white kid and a black kid. They are like 10 years old at the moment. Okay, so both of them see those people running on TV and want to be like them.
10 years go by and they have gone through many experiences. The black man decides to continue his dream of running and the white man decides to do something else.. Maybe start a company and become rich and have a company thats a monopoly.. :)
Maybe truly the white man was just as fast as the black man and vice versa. It\'s just that one chose to continue what he wanted to do and the other chose to do something else
Get it? haha... I dunno, that\'s just what I think. :D
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In theory everyone is equal. But in reality you care the most about people you know/love/live with/live around etc. So to you someone might be \'worthy\' - but to a complete stranger that someone doesn\'t mean anything. But I guess this has already been said. :)
BTW, to all those talking about America being the land of the free and all that... welcome to the year 2001. Every western country has freedom of speach and freedom of religion etc., and has had it for many many years. It\'s not exactly a US exclusive.
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white men cant jump.
black men have bigger d***s
true. genetically, all people are different, but it really does vary by race. why is it that chinese are so damn good at gymnastics? yes, their small, but also, they are taken from their family at age 4, and trained until age 14. (or so) they are only able to see their family once a week.
some races have the upper hand in different sports, and even in the buisness world, white men still have an edge, because of predjudices and such.
that will change over time, but i think will never be gone.
but that difference is not big enough to keep you from acheving your goals.
you have a great chance to become somthing doruing your life. its your choice if you want to try and become wealthy, or not try, and well..... you get the point.
i believe that you have a great opputrunity put infront of you at your birth. if you waste this opputrunity, or take the oppurtunity, that is your decision.
i think i should make a poll, about if you are a republican, democrat or indempendent or just dont care.
me, well im a republican, and i plan on owning my own f22 (see pic) well, hopefully ;)
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Originally posted by Samwise
BTW, to all those talking about America being the land of the free and all that... welcome to the year 2001. Every western country has freedom of speach and freedom of religion etc., and has had it for many many years. It\'s not exactly a US exclusive.
Hhehe.. True :D :D
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Originally posted by Falcon4
black men have bigger d***s
Actually, a college study I read said that , that may not be true for the most part.
If I can find a link to it, I\'ll post it.
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Why don\'t we just use screenshots to compare?
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Ok, lets put it this way, of the 100 fasters persons on this planet (100m) 95 of them are black.
Could you even imagine 3000 meter steepleachasing and a white man win? Never gona happen, the etiopian and Nigeria people always wins this. 10 000 meters too, is it wrong to say that black people are superior white in running?
Well maybe. Although not entirerly. What I mean is when two people are born, say a white and a black person, they both have it in them to achieve in this world equally.
I mean theres lots of facters affecting growth and development which is what your basing your stats on. I mean take the Brazilian football team, How come there so amazing ? Because Brazilians are born with some kind of gift making them more worthy towards football than other nations ? I doubt it, more like cause Brazil is a hot and poorer country, people spend more time playing football on the streets than say replying to threads in forums on their PCs. :) So their bound to be the better players.
Im just saying that other than different genetics in different races, generally when someone is born they have all the oppertunity as the next newly born.
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Human nature/DNA prohibits equality amongst us. We have the rich and we have the poor.
We have to good and we have the bad. We have the beautiful and the ugly.
Racism is so deeply rooted inside of a lot of people, that they don’t even see it in themselves.
It will remain so until we have either made away with religion, color of your skin, your last name, and have embraced Gene-Manipulated-Babies. If everyone is perfect, and everyone is well-off. People might stop *****ing about things… IMO. :nut:
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You have all been discussing the wrong kind of equality. That equality can never be achieved. Equality of rights is what we are working toward.
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Originally posted by OneGig
You have all been discussing the wrong kind of equality. That equality can never be achieved. Equality of rights is what we are working toward.
That right, good words!!