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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: QuDDus on July 19, 2001, 11:52:46 PM
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Man I think that ps2 pad was made too much for japan hands. I just cannot enjoy playing fps with the ps2 pad. I mean I have big american hands. And my hand takes up to much space on the controller. Then I got to turn with analog, move with the d-pad then try and shoot strait. I don\'t think the ps2 controller is made to be used on fps games. I see why everyone says a console controller will never come close to keyboard and mouse. Anyone else dislike playing fps with ps2-pad?
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I agree that a console controller will never be as good as a keyboard and mouse, but I think the PS2 controller is very good for FPSs. I use both analog sticks to move and look around, and shoot, jump, and duck with the shoulders. The PS2 controller is the best controller for FPSs IMO.
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The designe was absolutely perfect for the dual-analoge controls of "Ape Escape." I also find the anologe sticks more preferable when plaing "Midnight Club."
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the ONLY console FPS that did a gamepad justice was Model of Honor 1 and 2
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I refuse to use a KB/Mouse for anything. They werent meant for playing games, I prefer any controller to KB/M for any game, including FPSs.
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Originally posted by EThugg
I refuse to use a KB/Mouse for anything. They werent meant for playing games, I prefer any controller to KB/M for any game, including FPSs.
The same for me!!!
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I hated the Ps2 controller for FPS when I first played timesplitters, but then I got used to it and now I prefer the controller over the Kb/mouse. It\'s all personal prefrence here.
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The keyboard/mouse controls are way more accurate than any controller ever could be. That is why most FPSs on the PS2 have an auto-aim feature (I turn the auto aim off on all PS2 FPSs because I think it\'s cheap. :)) I can\'t see playing a console with a mouse and keyboard though. I don\'t want to sit at a desk when I play console games.
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go the PS2 controller...i hate having to have a third hand in half life to change weapons with decent speed, TimeSplitters controls are the go for me
although, the aiming and such will never be as quick and as accurate as it is with a mouse
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I agree with EThugg.... heh...
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players that use mouse/keyboard combo > players that use gamepad
simple enough
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If I plug in my USB optical mouse will it work on any present games? (I can\'t test it out for two weeks \'cause I don\'t have a TV right now.)
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
If I plug in my USB optical mouse will it work on any present games? (I can\'t test it out for two weeks \'cause I don\'t have a TV right now.)
You don\'t have a TV? So that\'s why you have been posting here so much. :D I think all USB mice and keyboards will work on the PS2, but the games have to support it. I just checked, and my mouse is USB too! :) Now I just need a FPS game that supports it.
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currently, unreal tournament is the only one that does
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Originally posted by EThugg
I refuse to use a KB/Mouse for anything. They werent meant for playing games, I prefer any controller to KB/M for any game, including FPSs.
I bet you die alot too. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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I prefer my joystick and keyboard. Both are excellent. You get the joy of shooting a real tripper and the Force Feedback from it. Move with the directional pad, jump crouch, all the buttons then are control, shift, and this one with a symbol on it. but they are all right there. Joystick and keyboards are a whole lot better for Unreal Tournament on the PC.
For along time since 1991, I have had a small Suncom joystick, 2 button (one trigger and one large on on top), this joystick has served me well all these years, but last year I said I need something knew. So I went to my local best buy and bough this nice Logitec Wingman Force 3D joystick. It was cheap and only 50 dollars. It is built for American hands. it has a special little ledge at the botton of it that your hand can just sit on, instead of having to grasp the stick with all your life so it doesn\'t slide off. With this it just sits there nicely and much more comfortably. it has one regular trigger. you can do rapid fire shots quicker with it. it then has a POV control on top that has 8 different directions you can look to the side in games with it or you can program heave POV up down, whatever, to have its own function when you press it. on top it also has 4 more buttons in 2 pairs, pointing out like a V with the POV control in the middle. All of these buttons and confortably reachable. Then at the base of the joystick, there are 2 buttons and one speed control that you can slide forward and back to decrease or increase your racing game speeds or in flight sims you can use it. It also has a turing feature to turn the stick with the wrist to either left or right to give you a quicker way to the point you want to look at, and it feels more realistic. The Force Feedback on this thing is incredible if you game supports it. Awesome All the way, this joystick rocks. I think I just gave a review on it didn\'t I? Oh well:)
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mm said it best: MoH was the best console FPS set up ever! the control was perfect, I am always let down whenever I get an FPS for PS2 and see that it doesnt have MoH control setups or even be able to use MoH controls! pisses me off!
Eric Jacob
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I still think the PC is the best for FPS, they will always be till vitrual reality.
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Hey ethug, play me in a lan game of Unreal Tounament with you using a controler, I will color the walls red after a few min.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
mm said it best: MoH was the best console FPS set up ever!
LMAO! MOH and MOH:Undergroud\'s controls were easily the best for the dual shock, I owned the first one so I should now, but neither of them were as good as Goldeneye\'s and Perfect Dark\'s controls. The N64 may have been awkard for everyone, but for FP shooters and platformers it owned.
You and mm have some serious anti-Nintendo problems going on...
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duh.
haven\'t you ever heard us talk?
And there is a difference between MoH and Goldeneye and PD.
MoH is extremely fun to play 1 player, and pretty good two player.
Goldeneye sucks 1 player, and is ok 2/3/4 player. I actually dislike the game, because there is so much cheap crap about it, if someone plays it more than you, you will NEVER win. It get\'s pointless. And nothing works better on the n64 controller, it is just the screwball of the controller family. Even after the Speedball for SMS.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by mm
the ONLY console FPS that did a gamepad justice was Model of Honor 1 and 2
I\'ve been playing this all weekend. GOD, this is a great game. I can\'t wait to play the Xbox version. I think its the intuitiveness of the MoH controls that makes it so perfect. Not to mention how incredible of a game it is. Goldeneye and PD were some of the best multiplayer games of last generation but the controls aren\'t as intuitive as the MoH controls.
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duh.
haven\'t you ever heard us talk?
Yes, and it\'s clouding both of your judgments.
MoH is extremely fun to play 1 player, and pretty good two player.
Goldeneye sucks 1 player, and is ok 2/3/4 player.
Ugh.
Goldneye single player mode has tons of replay value. That is, IF your actually good at the game. If you sucked at Goldeneye then I can see how you wouldn\'t like it, but for others like me who mastered it, it was a blast. Trying to get cheats codes and beating levels on 00 agent took forever, adding to the replay value.
MOH\'s single game was over once you beat it. I went back once to beat it again for fun, but not as many times as I did in GE. Not even close.
Comparing they\'re multiplayers are pointless. I never heard anything about how great MOH 2 player mode was but GE\'s multiplayer was the best part of the game. \'Nuff said.
And nothing works better on the n64 controller, it is just the screwball of the controller family. Even after the Speedball for SMS.
LOL! The N64 controller was designed around Mario 64, and 3D platform games in general. Tell me, what PSX, DC, or PS2 platform game has better controls than Mario 64?
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Rayman 2 or Sonic Adventure both have camera swings that the player can do manually without moving his hands or fingers at all.
Mario 64 = not God\'s gift to platformers.
Yes, Jumpy, it has been eclipsed.
Eric Jacob
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I absolutely hated the control for the 64. Especially in the James Bond games. My thumb is way to big for that itty-bitty "mini-joystick" in the controller.
Gawd I hate that!
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Rayman 2 or Sonic Adventure both have camera swings that the player can do manually without moving his hands or fingers at all.
Great, so did every other platform game ever released...
Mario 64 = not God\'s gift to platformers.
Yes, Jumpy, it has been eclipsed.
I know that silly. It was eclipsed way back in 98, when Banjo-Kazooie was released. :D
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You and mm have some serious anti-Nintendo problems going on...
problem? im not 8 years old anymore, so i dont like nintendo
goldeneye = nice for the time, but easily eclipsed by MOH
perfect dark = overhyped and well, *yawn*
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Originally posted by mm
problem? im not 8 years old anymore, so i dont like nintendo
Yeah but your buddy buddy Eikserf likes them. And how old is he again?
goldeneye = nice for the time, but easily eclipsed by MOH
perfect dark = overhyped and well, *yawn*
Really, I deel the same way about both of the MOH games.
It also gets hard looking at sprites instead of polygonal characters...
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ummm what? MoH had 3D characters last tiem I checked.
Eric Jacob
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It had Duke Nukem like characters, spritish. Might of been 3D, but they looked like crap.
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Did you even play the game? The characters were very detailed as PSX goes. They looked real enough to me. You could tell the different ranks of soldiers as you played.
spritish?
Eric Jacob
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this is the third time i have posted these screen shots over the years
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take yer choice
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Hey I remember that level in Medal Of Honor: UNDERGROUND. Release date: Oct27 2000. When was Goldeneye released again?
Aug 27, 1997.
It took 3 effing years to look slighty better than Goldeneye? In fact, the textures in that shot of MOH:U look BLURRY, and it has some extreme aliasing problems going on. Give me five minutes and I can find a better shot of Goldeneye.
But until then, here\'s the game which puts shame to those graphics.
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Nice reflections.
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Ah, light sourcing.
Admit it, Perfect Dark blows it away.
*All these shots I have saved so don\'t mention the fact that I have nothing to do. :)*
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PD looks nice. But play multiplayer and you are stuck with chugging gameplay.
Eric Jacob
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I spent around 100 hours with PD\'s multiplayer probably. I\'m too busy enjoying it with my friends to care about anything esle.
But, two player on PD is a lot more sustainable than MOH\'s. It really is. One on one is a blast. 3 player isn\'t even that bad compared to Goldeneye, but the four player is the one that suffers the most.
Plus, Perfect Dark\'s multiplayer makes quick meat out of Undergrouds. There are soooooooooooooo many options. Up to 8 stimulants, co-op mode so you can play every single player level with a friend, a lot of innovative and fun modes, many levels including some Goldeneye classics, the multiplayer simply could not of been better with the N64\'s storage medium. It\'s perfect, pun intended. ;)
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yes, yes and how much more advanced was the N64 compared to the PSX\'s 33mhx system?
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that is NOT an average N64 pic
when has ANY N64 game been THAT crisp?
the photos are obviously doctored
and please stop talking about multiplayer 4 way
who REALLY enjoys looking at an 8 inch corner of a TV screen?
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Originally posted by mm
and please stop talking about multiplayer 4 way
who REALLY enjoys looking at an 8 inch corner of a TV screen?
I do!
The 4-player game is my favorite part!
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yes, yes and how much more advanced was the N64 compared to the PSX\'s 33mhx system?
Not by very much. But in the end, when developers...er...Rare and EAD started taking advantage of N64\'s full power, you would know that the N64 is the superior console of the two.
One thing that continues to go nonespoken is PD\'s advanced AI. The enemies were fairly smart. They\'d call for help when needed, they pretend to surrender, and they wouldn\'t rush in at you continuously. Nothing breathtaking, but impressive nonetheless for last generation.
[quotet]hat is NOT an average N64 pic [/quote]
Rare is not your average developer.
when has ANY N64 game been THAT crisp?
Zelda:OOT and MM were close to that calibur, but the only game that matches and even surpasses PD graphics wise is none other than Conker\'s Bad Fur Day. That game was easily the best looking game of last generation.
the photos are obviously doctored
Nope, just damn good looking. :D
But a piece to the puzzle is missing...the game ran off the expansion pack. That explains the clean textures and sustainable framerate.
and please stop talking about multiplayer 4 way
who REALLY enjoys looking at an 8 inch corner of a TV screen?
True, but 3 player is pretty enjoyable, and two player is the bomb. Add stimulants and you got the best console multiplayer EVA.
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PD\'s advanced AI?
i never saw a replicant dive on a frickin\' hand grenade to save his german buddies from certain death
did replicant pick up granades and chuck them back at you?
or did they simply have good "tracks" to run on and uncanny aim?
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Originally posted by mm
PD\'s advanced AI?
i never saw a replicant dive on a frickin\' hand grenade to save his german buddies from certain death
did replicant pick up granades and chuck them back at you?
or did they simply have good "tracks" to run on and uncanny aim?
Wow, so MOH\'s enemies were programmed to do different things.
Both are pretty advanced if you ask me. When you played Perfect Agent in PD, then you\'d know these guys aren\'t idiots.
What happened to your graphics argument on PD???...
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welp, you went out of yer way to find some "shined" PD pics
how can i compete with doctored pics
notice you didnt look for any GE pics
:P
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Those pics are clearly not doctored!!!
Just check the properties. I got them straight from IGN64. Perfect Dark is just a damn good looking game. One of the best of last generation.
I didn\'t post any Goldeneye pics because I couldn\'t find any. IGN64 has really, REALLY low resolution pics and Gamestop doesn\'t have any. But here are IGNs fuzzy wussy pics.
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Most of them are blurry as hell like this one.
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MOH did not look any better than Goldeney, but MOH:U is a major improvement graphics wise over MOH and does indeed look better than GE.
But just admit it! Perfect Dark looks a lot better than MOH:U!!!
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its running on hardware probably 10 times more advanced!
theres NO way those PD shots were straight screen captures
from a normal TV
you cant say u look at yer TV and see this
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Originally posted by mm
welp, you went out of yer way to find some "shined" PD pics
how can i compete with doctored pics
notice you didnt look for any GE pics
:P
I can vouch for Jumpman that those pics weren\'t doctored... I remember PD\'s graphics being the only good thing about the game.
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I just booted the game up to that level(Air Force One) and I can\'t calmy say that it does look that good. I went to that exact spot and everything looked exactly the same.
Originally posted by hyper
I can vouch for Jumpman that those pics weren\'t doctored... I remember PD\'s graphics being the only good thing about the game.
Err....what was so bad about the gameplay if you don\'t mind me asking?
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Did you guys overclock your N64s? Cause my PD ran like crap, the N64 sure took its time drawing each frame, even in lo-res with the expansion pack in one player. Once you get into the game you don\'t notice it, but if you\'re watching someone else play, the framerate is horrendous.
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drawing each "bilinear filtered" frame at that too
UGH!
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You guys are arguing apples and oranges. They were both great games and you are arguing over which looked better? Geez.....
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Unfortunantly too many gamers are graphic whores these days. PD and MOH both kicked ass, can we leave it at that?
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I\'m definitely not a graphics whore. I\'ve been impressed by grahics 3 times in my life:
By Donkey Kong Country.
The part in Shenmue when you run threw the birds at the harbour.
By the realtime Zelda demo at Spaceworld. And I might of just bene impressed of the fact that it was Zelda...
Please don\'t ever imply that I\'m a graphics whore again.
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<----graphics whore
original and groundbreaking gameplay? where?
havent seen the likes of that in years
*yawn*
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I wasn\'t implying that either of you were graphic whores, its just the fact that your arguing over something as pointless as graphics. Honestly does it make you feel good to hit the submit reply button as you send your arguments and off-key insults at each other. Debating is one thing but arguing just for the sake of arguing is getting a little tedious.