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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: QuDDus on July 24, 2001, 10:01:40 PM
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EXCUSE THE TITLE I KNOW I MESSED IT UP
http://cube.ign.com/news/35616.html
I have to say that I am not that impressed. Those third party games form acclaim midway and ea will all be on xbox and ps2. And only first pary games I interested in for gamecube will are starfox and wave race. NoT one fighting game. I don\'t consider Melee to be a real fighter. I have 500 saved already bye november I was looking to have 800 or so saved.So I could bye both consoles. But I think I am going to wait on gcn now. Or maybe pick it up and just get starfox. I will have to wait on the xbox launch games to see if I will just spend all the money on my xbox.
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It is a good launch line up, far better then the expected Xbox launch, in my opinion. Lugi\'s Mansion should be excellent, WaveRace was a great game in the old days, a graphical upgrade and longer game should be fun. StarFox should be fun, even though it doesn\'t interest me. Then there is Melee, which looks pretty damn impressive, even though I don\'t care for the first.
Its a good launch, but can\'t appeal to everyone. But the first party titles are sure to sell by the truckloads. And then should be fun for the most part. Nintendo\'s first party games almost always deliver.
The third party stuff looks solid. I have full faith that Sega\'s game will kick ass. Batman Tommorw (my most wanted launch title ;) ) is by Ubi Soft , makes of the great Rayman. It looks solid all around.
This launch is much better then the N64 launch, so anyone who bought that and didn\'t complain about it, really can\'t complain about this one. It may not have the expected Mario title, but Lugi\'s Mansion should fill that gap quite easily.
Before anyone mentions my Xbox comment, make note that I said SUSPECTED lineup. When I say that, I mean DOA3, Halo, Oddworld and so on.. None of those games really appeal to me. Oh and make note that I said, in my opinion .
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I dont think either console\'s launch line-ups have any wow to them. But X-Box has Panzer Dragoon.
You just can\'t beat that. Nothing right now out for PS2 or anything else for X-Box and GC that they have announced interests me more than my old classic!
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
I dont think either console\'s launch line-ups have any wow to them. But X-Box has Panzer Dragoon.
You just can\'t beat that. Nothing right now out for PS2 or anything else for X-Box and GC that they have announced interests me more than my old classic!
Eric Jacob
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Mmm\'hmm. Which is the exact reason I will get an Xbox. Its been to long since I played Panzer Dragoon. Can\'t complain the sequel of last year\'s \'sleeper hit\' either - Jet Set Radio: Future.
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oh without a doubt, JSR:F is close behind. Really close!
so I know X-Box will be mine at launch. and since PD games have all looked fantastic upon release, my jaw will be on the floor for approxamately 24 straight hours! I can\'t wait for Tokyo Game Show so I can see the screens!
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It is a good launch line up, far better then the expected Xbox launch, in my opinion. Lugi\'s Mansion should be excellent, WaveRace was a great game in the old days, a graphical upgrade and longer game should be fun. StarFox should be fun, even though it doesn\'t interest me. Then there is Melee, which looks pretty damn impressive, even though I don\'t care for the first.
Its a good launch, but can\'t appeal to everyone. But the first party titles are sure to sell by the truckloads. And then should be fun for the most part. Nintendo\'s first party games almost always deliver.
The third party stuff looks solid. I have full faith that Sega\'s game will kick ass. Batman Tommorw (my most wanted launch title ;) ) is by Ubi Soft , makes of the great Rayman. It looks solid all around.
This launch is much better then the N64 launch, so anyone who bought that and didn\'t complain about it, really can\'t complain about this one. It may not have the expected Mario title, but Lugi\'s Mansion should fill that gap quite easily.
Before anyone mentions my Xbox comment, make note that I said SUSPECTED lineup. When I say that, I mean DOA3, Halo, Oddworld and so on.. None of those games really appeal to me. Oh and make note that I said, in my opinion .
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:laughing: :laughing: Well we all have are preference of games. I just thought gamecube would give me more. I just thought there would be a better range of launch games. I am not a big luigi fan so I will probally just rent that game. I am a huge starfox fan. And wave race looks great and I liked it on n64. But I guess I thought nintendo would have more from third parties instead of just games I will see on xbox or ps2. I am not all that hyped about that batman game. Or melee. I will say I am more hyped for xbox. Panzier dragon, munch,halo,doa,New legends...ect. It does sound exciting.
But I hate waiting on getting games. I have to have the game right when it comes out and not a year later.(THAT\'S JUST ME) I may force myself to get gc rigt away because I don\'t wanna wait and not play starfox.
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Both console launches look to be rather exceptional in my opinion. I just wish XB had more launch titles that appealed to me as much as the GCN stuff does. Although I do look forward to seeing what the XB can do, I just don\'t see the reason to pick it up just yet. I\'m definitely going to wait and see what happens to it overtime, but I can\'t wait to get my hands on one in about a year or so when the price is a bit less and their library has grown extensively.
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Melee has me hyped because I loved the original. Rogue Leader has be hyped because I love Star Wars space shooters. Star Fox has me hyped because I am a SF fan. Pikmin has me hyped because Strategy is near the top or thee top of my fac genres, and its something totally new and innovative. I\'m not really hyped about Luigi\'s Mansion as I am the others. But only the stuff shown at E3 was like just seeing the courtyard infron of peach\'s castle in Mario64. Also I could go on but I must be off to sleep its 3 AM here. GoodNight everyone.
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too...much...usage of the word... hyped. slowly...dying!
...dead.
If I have money for both while still having money for Panzer Dragoon and JSR:F (expected 2 weeks after) I will get both, otherwise, no dice Monkey Ball!
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by QuDDus
. I am not a big luigi fan so I will probally just rent that game.
Not tryin\' to argue or anything, I just got a question.. How can you not be a Lugi fan? He has never had a game before! Do you mean, you hated playin\' as him in the original Mario\'s? ;)
I\'m just jokin\' around.
Don\'t take any offense.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Not tryin\' to argue or anything, I just got a question.. How can you not be a Lugi fan? He has never had a game before! Do you mean, you hated playin\' as him in the original Mario\'s? ;)
I\'m just jokin\' around.
Don\'t take any offense.
yes...yes I never liked luigi. My loyalty is too mario:laughing: But seriously so far the game has not impressed me that much. But bye time launch is near I would have had more time to read up on it and see final screens so I could change my opinion and buy it.
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But bye time launch is near I would have had more time to read up on it and see final screens so I could change my opinion and buy it.
I hope you are not implying that the Luigi\'s Mansion screens look nothing less then stellar. "Final screens"? I thought the ones that were out now are more impressive then 95% of all games available.
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I personally see Lugi\'s Mansion has the biggest graphical jump this generation, IMO.
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waverace and star wars are the only ones appealing to me.
I prefer the xbox line up
halo
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DOA3
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ALTEREDBEAST
Panzer Dragoon is NOT coming out at launch. In fact, it hasen\'t even been given a solid release date yet.
And Jet Set Future is NOT coming out 2 weeks after the launch. It\'s coming out Jan 15, 2002, the same day that NBA2K2 is coming out.
Get your facts straight.
As for the topic: I can\'t complain about the GameCube launch since there is plenty of titles that interest me that come out around launch. Pikmin(Dec), Rogue Leader, Luigi\'s Mansion, Star Fox Adventures, Smash Bros, Wave Race, PSOV2(Dec) and Eternal Darkness(Dec). What ever title out of the proceeding gets the best score from IGNCube then I\'m buying it without hesitation. 5 games, that\'s more than enough quality games for a launch, and three great ones will follow short after.
Next year the Cube will own. Too Human, MARIO, ZELDA, THE NEXT PERFECT DARK, Kameo, Tony Hawk 3, RE:0(actually, it might come out in 2001, but I have my doubts), WrestleMania Cube, Metroid(hopefully), and possibly the next Mario Kart... *drules*
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Jumpman about your signature....you should have it phrase "You\'ll see a Bad Zelda game before you see a Microsoft OS w/out too many bugs..."
Compared to the N64 launch the GameCube launch is shaping up to be stellar. The XBox launch is a little shaky...Halo, and Amped aren\'t necessarily household names if you get my drift.
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I think GAMECUBE has more of what I want.I loved Zelda and we will probobaly see it next month at the Spaceworld Show!We\'ll also see MARIO in his whole new adventure!Luigi\'s Mansion looks fun so I will be getting that, and that about all I can afford.
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Waverace
Luigi
Rouge Squadron
Starfox
are just waiting for me to pick them up along with my GC :D
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The GC lineup looks too boring.
Most of the games are N64 games with the system\'s limitations in mind. You can see it clearly when you compare a Starfox shot with Luigi. I am sick of all these stupid ports. Then we have the countless sequels. Where are the different, new, innovative softwares? I am sorry, but the lineup is boring! At least the Xbox has a couple of different games that will bring some new experiences.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
The GC lineup looks too boring.
Most of the games are N64 games with the system\'s limitations in mind. You can see it clearly when you compare a Starfox shot with Luigi. I am sick of all these stupid ports.
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Christ man, weren\'t you told already that every single game moved (I don\'t see how you can call them ports when they were never released on any console) from the N64 was re-coded from the ground-up?? Why would they have to consider N64\'s limitations when they\'re working with completely new hardware??
Then we have the countless sequels. Where are the different, new, innovative softwares? I am sorry, but the lineup is boring! At least the Xbox has a couple of different games that will bring some new experiences.
I\'m not hyperventilating about the launch myself, but... what in blazes are you talking about?? Have you ever played a Luigi game before?? Or how about anything like Pikmin?? Aside from the incessant sports titles, pretty much most of the games on launch are "new."
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Christ man, weren\'t you told already that every single game moved (I don\'t see how you can call them ports when they were never released on any console) from the N64 was re-coded from the ground-up?? Why would they have to consider N64\'s limitations when they\'re working with completely new hardware??
That\'s exactly what I\'ve been telling him.
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I am trying to get excited about Pikmin (I love the Miyamoto is taking on the Console RTS issues but those graphics are so far away from who I am) and will buy a GCN at or near launch for it. Beyond that I am interested in RL and... waiting for Mario :)
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Jumpman - I mispoke about Panzer Dragoon. GUNVALKYRIE, a game I was highly interested in for Dreamcast is coming out launch, while Jet Set Radio IS coming out a couple weeks after. Panzer Dragoon has no solid release date.
Here is a link and a quote.
IGNDC: Both titles, GUNVALKRYIE and Jet Set Radio Future, will be definitely be out on schedule?
TK: Yes, GUNVALKRYIE is an Xbox launch title, while Jet Set Radio Future will be released a few weeks after the Xbox launch.
IGNDC: So, how is Panzer Dragoon coming along?
TK: (laughs) Just wait for TGS 2001 this fall, and you\'ll see something really special.
http://dreamcast.ign.com/news/35663.html
you were half right, through my own mistaken memory, but please research before telling me about Sega games, I think I would know :)
Eric Jacob
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Think? You either know it or you don\'t, and this time you didn\'t know. I wasn\'t half right, I was completely right.
Xbox release list.
http://xbox.ign.com/releases.html
I could of sworn I just saw JSF listed as a Jan 15 release along with NBA2k2.
And there\'s more! After just looking at that, it seems that Gunwhatever is NOT coming out at launch. Dec 12, 2001 is it\'s solid release date.
Uh oh! Eric made a boo boo! :laughing:
but please research before telling me about Sega games, I think I would know
I do. (Old-skool :P smiley time!) (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ud-n.com%2Fubb%2Fubb%2Fsmilies%2Ftongue.gif&hash=205d7ebf7fc358671719cd444b95f4c8424e7018)
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Take a look at the pics of Waverace, Eternal, Starfox, etc. Now compare those games to Luigi or any other game first concepted on the GC. Don\'t they look like crap?!!!!! These games are not built from the ground up using the GC\'s hardware. They were first conceptualised on the N64 and thus continued on the GC. Basically you are getting an N64 upgrade. These games, when compared to gems like Rogue Squadron and Luigi, are sh*tty.
What about the other games? All i see are sequels, and more sequels. Aside from Odd world, DOA, and Panzer Dragoon, everything on the Xbox is not derived from a prior game.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
ALTEREDBEAST
Panzer Dragoon is NOT coming out at launch. In fact, it hasen\'t even been given a solid release date yet.
And Jet Set Future is NOT coming out 2 weeks after the launch. It\'s coming out Jan 15, 2002, the same day that NBA2K2 is coming out.
Get your facts straight.
As for the topic: I can\'t complain about the GameCube launch since there is plenty of titles that interest me that come out around launch. Pikmin(Dec), Rogue Leader, Luigi\'s Mansion, Star Fox Adventures, Smash Bros, Wave Race, PSOV2(Dec) and Eternal Darkness(Dec). What ever title out of the proceeding gets the best score from IGNCube then I\'m buying it without hesitation. 5 games, that\'s more than enough quality games for a launch, and three great ones will follow short after.
Next year the Cube will own. Too Human, MARIO, ZELDA, THE NEXT PERFECT DARK, Kameo, Tony Hawk 3, RE:0(actually, it might come out in 2001, but I have my doubts), WrestleMania Cube, Metroid(hopefully), and possibly the next Mario Kart... *drules*
i FORGOT about psov2 and eternal darkness those are two more games I want to check out .
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Originally posted by Tshirts
Take a look at the pics of Waverace, Eternal, Starfox, etc. Now compare those games to Luigi or any other game first concepted on the GC. Don\'t they look like crap?!!!!! These games are not built from the ground up using the GC\'s hardware. They were first conceptualised on the N64 and thus continued on the GC. Basically you are getting an N64 upgrade. These games, when compared to gems like Rogue Squadron and Luigi, are sh*tty.
Can I borrow you time machine? I really want to play some NGC games too.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
Take a look at the pics of Waverace, Eternal, Starfox, etc. Now compare those games to Luigi or any other game first concepted on the GC. Don\'t they look like crap?!!!!! These games are not built from the ground up using the GC\'s hardware. They were first conceptualised on the N64 and thus continued on the GC. Basically you are getting an N64 upgrade. These games, when compared to gems like Rogue Squadron and Luigi, are sh*tty.
What about the other games? All i see are sequels, and more sequels. Aside from Odd world, DOA, and Panzer Dragoon, everything on the Xbox is not derived from a prior game.
you seem to be negative about just any console except GC
and I have to say that waverace beats the crap out of most xbox games
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My mistake, Jumpy. I was looking at an old link and had my games mixed up.
That said, I still want an X-Box more than GC. There is just something about Nintendo I find highly unfavorable.
Neither systems, as I have been informed, have very appealing launches, NOW. I will probably still get one on launch day, and most likely X-Box, cause I know a friend that will get GC.
Eric Jacob
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That said, I still want an X-Box more than GC. There is just something about Nintendo I find highly unfavorable.
The fact that their name is Nintendo?
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
My mistake, Jumpy. I was looking at an old link and had my games mixed up.
That said, I still want an X-Box more than GC. There is just something about Nintendo I find highly unfavorable.
Neither systems, as I have been informed, have very appealing launches, NOW. I will probably still get one on launch day, and most likely X-Box, cause I know a friend that will get GC.
Eric Jacob
I sort-of feel the same way as you, but kinda opposite.
Whenever I see SEGA, I get an uneasy feeling. \'Cause of all their past screw-ups. And when I see xbox, and Microsoft, I get the same uneasy feeling.
With PS and GC I feel more confident in my choice of a console. They have more solid pasts. And a solid past is more likely going to hold true in the future. xbox is new, and I\'m uneasy about it. SEGA fell apart, a crumbling foundation, destined for disaster.
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kind of makes you wonder why they do fail? :rolleyes:
No, Jumpman. I want the system I will obviously USE more. I am not out to buy a name. EVERYONE knows I buy Sega systems because I PLAY them. I havent PLAYED my PS2 in a month.
With my X-Box I will be able to:
watch DVD movies (easily outpacing the PS2\'s capabilities)
get online with a safe plan. (As in, they have what they are going to do already worked out, and not hanging people on a thread al la the Bulky Drive for 64)
I know what I am getting in terms of games. (Alot of Sega and adult oriented)
Project Ego.
Morrowind (?)
PANZER DRAGOON.
What do I get from Nintendo?:
Mario games (and other tired franchises) I enjoyed these when I was 8
No DVD support.
No clear online plan nor support for online games.
Not as many, nor good IMO Sega games.
The same Crap to Good ratio as N64 (IMO, not very good)
Nintendo\'s past (they killed my SMS, damaging Sega for life)
I don\'t know why TO buy a GC, really. I know it will have good games, even IMO, but when? No solid dates on games that look interesting (to me) have been announced.
No, I will stay with my original thought, purchase X-Box now, taunt kids in GC line, and later buy GC, perhaps when I can buy one for 70 bucks :rolleyes: Maybe by then it will look good :rolleyes: (READ: direct crack at people buying DC now because of price drop)
Eric Jacob
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Gee, I guess money rains from the sky where you come from. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by hyper
Gee, I guess money rains from the sky where you come from. :rolleyes:
No. He is just like me. Upset with people who sit around and wait for a console to fail, that way they can get it cheap. Anyone remember the Neo-Geo Pocket? And how no one cared about it until it failed and price dropped. Then everyone just had to have one. Go figure.
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This drop was completely unexpected; before I wasn\'t even considering buying a DC, because it would detract from my budget saved for the GC and since Sega will be halting production soon. Now I can afford it with minor subtraction to my GC savings, and I can get 3+ games just by selling what remains of my N64 stock + a few weeks of hard saving. I understand that it pains you to see your company of choice fading away like this, but it\'s Sega\'s job to keep themselves alive, not mine.
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hahaha, funny how you, and the rest of the \'gaming population\' tink the same. It is Sega\'s fault they always fail, of course. It\'s not like they make top notch games or dependable, long lasting hardware, of course not.
I figure the gamemaker that has the shoddiest manufacured system will this generation, like all generation\'s before it.
PSX was made like crap and blew Saturn and N64 to pieces.
NES was made like junk and blew SMS and 7800 to pieces. Although the illegal monopoly junk by Nintendo didn\'t help much.
SNES and Genesis were both high quality and I believe that is why neither sold more than the other.
and NO, money doesn\'t "fall from the sky", I work for it, and spend it very well, might I add. It\'s just that I don\'t like sitting on my thumbs all day waiting for a price drop, I want action, and so do my thumbs.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
I don\'t know why TO buy a GC, really.
I feel the exact same way about Xbox.
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Quality isn\'t the only thing you need to succeed in buisness; you need the right budget, the right management, the right exposure, and most importantly you need to be able to convince the public to buy your merchandise. Evidently, Sega didn\'t meet these criterias in which they, as a buisness company, should have.
If you work for what you earn, and spend it well, then you should also know that being careful with your money isn\'t a bad thing. You like action, that\'s fine, but I prefer to review everything thoroughly before making a purchase.
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[COLOR=sky blue]Tshirts, you have some issues to work out. You\'ve been at the XBox forums too long to understand that most other forums don\'t follow their way of doing things. TeamXbox.com has a forum of smart guys with good technical knowledge, but about 75% of them are all fanboys. The XBox will fail if it does not get good support in Japan, many good developers are over there. If the XBox fails over there, they might think that they would have better luck with another console, and thus the XBox gets lack of games, if this happens. Back to TShirts:
Star Fox maybe a sequel, but it is a whole different sequel, 80% of the time you are on land. Plus you aren\'t battling Andross like in the other two. This is a much different Star Fox. Rogue Leader? Sure its a sequel. It boasts major graphical upgrades, but it has a new wingman feature, and a targeting computer, easier controls, more levels (each level should be about 2 ta 3 times larger then the ones in RS for the 64 & PC), Also, Factor 5 just said it would also feature Dolby 5.1 Suround Sound in it (!!!). This game has been built to give you a true Star Wars expeirence, THAT is what makes this game much more fun. Don\'t even go on Pikmin, that is entirely original, also so is Luigi\'s Mansion. And Eternal Darkness is not a sequel either.
Just picture this:
You in a SnowSpeeder, you look at you wingmen near you. You fly over silent white turrets and 200 rebel troops below you in trenches. Then, out of the volumetric fog (yes I had to say volumetric :D), comes 7 ATATs. A yell over the comm sounds, immediatly you look out the the window, you hear blasts comming from behind, then the lasers streak past you from the once silent turrets and troops. You open fire as the ATATs do. You pull a hard turn right , and come up on the side of one, blasting at it\'s hull. The the shout comes "That armors to strong for blasters. Use your harpoon cables, Go for the legs!" Right after that, Imperial Troops slide down ropes from above the massive ATATs. They run forward towards the rebel troops, the rebels open fire, some get shot down, the ATATs fire more bolts, you get hit, you ship is critical, you spiral to the ground, you smash. And the lights go out.....:)[/COLOR]
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Originally posted by JediMaster
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Just picture this:
You in a SnowSpeeder, you look at you wingmen near you. You fly over silent white turrets and 200 rebel troops below you in trenches. Then, out of the volumetric fog (yes I had to say volumetric :D), comes 7 ATATs. A yell over the comm sounds, immediatly you look out the the window, you hear blasts comming from behind, then the lasers streak past you from the once silent turrets and troops. You open fire as the ATATs do. You pull a hard turn right , and come up on the side of one, blasting at it\'s hull. The the shout comes "That armors to strong for blasters. Use your harpoon cables, Go for the legs!" Right after that, Imperial Troops slide down ropes from above the massive ATATs. They run forward towards the rebel troops, the rebels open fire, some get shot down, the ATATs fire more bolts, you get hit, you ship is critical, you spiral to the ground, you smash. And the lights go out.....:)[/COLOR]
*drool*
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Just picture this:
You in a SnowSpeeder, you look at you wingmen near you. You fly over silent white turrets and 200 rebel troops below you in trenches. Then, out of the volumetric fog (yes I had to say volumetric ), comes 7 ATATs. A yell over the comm sounds, immediatly you look out the the window, you hear blasts comming from behind, then the lasers streak past you from the once silent turrets and troops. You open fire as the ATATs do. You pull a hard turn right , and come up on the side of one, blasting at it\'s hull. The the shout comes "That armors to strong for blasters. Use your harpoon cables, Go for the legs!" Right after that, Imperial Troops slide down ropes from above the massive ATATs. They run forward towards the rebel troops, the rebels open fire, some get shot down, the ATATs fire more bolts, you get hit, you ship is critical, you spiral to the ground, you smash. And the lights go out.....
Minus the volumetric fog and you got the first level of the first generation N64 Star Wars based game, Star Wars: Shadows Of The Empire.
Just had to note that.
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That level was totally different. That was... See the ATATs. Use Harpoon. Kill the ATATs. This is much bigger,ground troops. Its to recreate Star Wars and give you the best exprience that they can give us now. And remember, this is just a 1st generation title:eek:
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I don\'t remember digital voicing and 200 rebel troops flanking you up in Shadows... besides, I could play that level all day trying to get those Challenge points, so I\'m glad they\'re bringing it back.
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Why do you guys make it out like I am some biased freak who hates every game system. Keep in mind I have a PS2 and is planning to get a GC and GBA. Nowhere did I say the systems will suck. Excuse me for being a bit jaded because quite frankly I am not impress. The game industry is definitely heading in a downward spiral my whining is every bit reasonable.
To me, the GC will definitely have the best softwares bar none. It is a given. Whenever a company sticks to a successful formula and improves upon it, it usually ends up being the best. In this case, all you see are sequels on the GC. I have no doubt in my mind they will be the best. The only problem I have is, even though they will be great games, they are also sequels and rehashes. Almost every game is derived from a prior game. No new, bold games. Nothing is different! It is basically games we have all played before with upgraded graphics and a little tweak in gameplay. Look at the list guys! Its boring! Being a fan of innovation I am hard press and not excited at all. Even though I will for sure get the system to play the great games, I am just not as enticed knowing I have already "been there done that". That is the only flake I have with Nintendo.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
To me, the GC will definitely have the best softwares bar none. It is a given. Whenever a company sticks to a successful formula and improves upon it, it usually ends up being the best. In this case, all you see are sequels on the GC. I have no doubt in my mind they will be the best. The only problem I have is, even though they will be great games, they are also sequels and rehashes. Almost every game is derived from a prior game. No new, bold games. Nothing is different! It is basically games we have all played before with upgraded graphics and a little tweak in gameplay. Look at the list guys! Its boring! Being a fan of innovation I am hard press and not excited at all. Even though I will for sure get the system to play the great games, I am just not as enticed knowing I have already "been there done that". That is the only flake I have with Nintendo.
WORD. I\'m just going to wait until, say, 5 games excite me to buy the gc. I\'m not gonna give up until they "prove they suck." At launch I\'m not seeing anything too "nu-new," but I\'m sure some will pop up once the system gets settled in. I think they are doing all these sequels and stuff because they are derived from porved-sucessful games. They have a better chance of getting up top. Then later they can take risks and dish out what we will deem ad "the good stuff."
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T****s, I don\'t belive you Star Fox is a sequel but it is NOT a rehash. This game is totally different then the others, Pikmin and Lugi\'s Mansion are original, Eternal Darkness is original, almost 1/3 of the launch titles are totally new games. And all these games are way better than the PS2 launch at all. There is nothing that I want on XBox, I never plan on getting one. I have my reasons, but I would be up all night stating them. Let me ask this, what new innovations does the XBox games have that makes them different then ED, Pikmin and Lugi\'s Mansion. Your crazy, 500 bucks won\'t even buy you a GC and a XBox, it would be like 510 for both, or something. I would much rather see you blow money on a PS2 then an XBox, the Ps2 gives you more worth your buck then the XBox.
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JediMaster, you would be up all night listing reasons on why you would never get an X-Box? :rolleyes: Also, what does X-Box bring in terms of innovation that GC doesn\'t? Have you been living in a cave somewhere.
I once thought that the Hard drive would be a non-essential piece. But if you look at Project Ego, you see what a hard drive can do for a system.
You age, grow (hair growth, body growth, etc), live, die, kill, build, destroy, etc. All of the things you do in this game can be saved on the INSTALLED hard drive, expanding the game exponentially. Shenmue 3 will be amazing on it, nuff said. (I don\'t see any reason why Sega would put it on anywhere else)
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
All of the things you do in this game can be saved on the INSTALLED hard drive, expanding the game exponentially. Shenmue 3 will be amazing on it, nuff said. (I don\'t see any reason why Sega would put it on anywhere else)
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, just like a computer. . . interesting.
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I will never get one. Everyone around in this area, the reatailers, my friends, my enemies, They all think it will fail miserably. Nothing could ever convice me to get one. Theres nothing it has that I want on it. Why should I spend 300 bucks on a console when I can get 6 more games for my cube?
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Because you will never get games like Project Gotham, Project Ego, Panzer effing Dragoon (300 bucks worth IMO int hat game alone), Morrowind (?), etc.
Yes, it sounds like a PC, but unlike a PC, the only thing that MS will allow games to use the hardware for is saving, updating, and changing, there will be NO installing games on hardware, as is the common thought.
You and "everyone you know" is going to miss out on a truly great console, even if, in your mind it\'s gonna fail, kind of like Dreamcast, eh?
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Because you will never get games like Project Gotham, Project Ego, Panzer effing Dragoon (300 bucks worth IMO int hat game alone), Morrowind (?), etc.
I\'m going to quote myself from the thread "Does PS2 have enough exclusives?" to argue your point on those xbox exclusives.
Originally posted by Troglodyte
I don\'t like exclusive titles [such as Project Gotham, Project Ego, Panzer effing Dragoon]. I wish they would all just share and share alike.
It\'s like, why must I spend $800 for three systems so that I can play all the games?
grrrrrr.
I don\'t care if anything is exclusive or not, if it\'s exclusive to a console I don\'t have, i can usually ignore it and it will "go away."
And about Ego, it\'s not like this is the first time it\'s been done. Black and White started with the concept of "evolving characters." i\'m quite sure that Ego will not be the only gmae of it\'s kind, and that these "evolving" concepts will show up on multiple games on multiple consoles.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
And about Ego, it\'s not like this is the first time it\'s been done. Black and White started with the concept of "evolving characters." i\'m quite sure that Ego will not be the only gmae of it\'s kind, and that these "evolving" concepts will show up on multiple games on multiple consoles.
Well, Molyneux did begin to explore the concept in B&W but it is nowhere close to the depth and scope found in Ego. You are comparing one creature to an entire populace capable of learning, eneracting with each other, talking, deciding on a career, starting a family etc. The two are simply incomparable.
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Originally posted by ho3j
Well, Molyneux did begin to explore the concept in B&W but it is nowhere close to the depth and scope found in Ego. You are comparing one creature to an entire populace capable of learning, eneracting with each other, talking, deciding on a career, starting a family etc. The two are simply incomparable.
I didn\'t mean for a full comparason, just the "evolution" part and the fact that you can be good or evil, depending on what you do.
Plus, the person-to-person interaction thing was started by the SIMS. I\'m not saying that the SIMS nor Black and White ARE project Ego, I\'m saying that the principle concepts of Project Ego are not entirely new, just used ona grande scale. With this in mind, I don\'t see how Project Ego being an xbox exclusive is such a big deal. Because the concepts are not exclusive to xbox, and I\'m sure many mor games will come up with the same concepts on other consoles, so no worries if you don\'t get xbox.
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Just FYI an EGO type game would almost certainly require the HD. But anyway, you made it sound as if B&W somehow took away from Ego. Its like saying Donkey Kong takes away from Mario 64 because Miyamoto explored jumping in DK. ;)
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Originally posted by ho3j
But anyway, you made it sound as if B&W somehow took away from Ego.
That would be impossible. B&W took nothing from EGO, as B&W came before EGO.
I\'m not saying Ego stemmed from B&W, I\'m merely stating that project EGO is not a brand-spanking-new idea, but a culmination of concepts developed in games such as B&W and the SIMS.
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Project Ego is a huge scope, in comparison I would say Shenmue was so much more expansive and wide-scoped than anything I had seen at the time, and Project Ego is even so much more than wide than that.
That said, there can always be copycats, but nothing feels as refreshing as the original.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Project Ego is a huge scope, in comparison I would say Shenmue was so much more expansive and wide-scoped than anything I had seen at the time, and Project Ego is even so much more than wide than that.
That said, there can always be copycats, but nothing feels as refreshing as the original.
Eric Jacob
Especially when the "next-gen" of EGOs fix all the flaws of it\'s predecessor. Hm hmmm. Sure there\'s always the original, but what spawns from that leap can be just as enjoyable, if not more so.
Like I said before, I don\'t feel like spending another $300+ for a few exclusive games. That\'s why I never bought a DC, and I\'m perfectly satisfied.
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"That would be impossible. B&W took nothing from EGO, as B&W came before EGO."
You took my example backwards. :)
"I\'m not saying Ego stemmed from B&W, I\'m merely stating that project EGO is not a brand-spanking-new idea, but a culmination of concepts developed in games such as B&W and the SIMS."
In a way Ego stemmed from Black and White since Peter Molyneix is involved in both games. Anyway, if Ego is not a new idea then no game is so it is a silly point to make in the first place.
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Originally posted by ho3j
"That would be impossible. B&W took nothing from EGO, as B&W came before EGO."
You took my example backwards. :)
"I\'m not saying Ego stemmed from B&W, I\'m merely stating that project EGO is not a brand-spanking-new idea, but a culmination of concepts developed in games such as B&W and the SIMS."
In a way Ego stemmed from Black and White since Peter Molyneix is involved in both games. Anyway, if Ego is not a new idea then no game is so it is a silly point to make in the first place.
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The compression of the seperate concepts is a new idea, the concepts that the idea is comprised of are not.
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"But anyway, you made it sound as if B&W somehow took away from Ego."
Let\'s just focus on this clause: "B&W somehow took away from Ego."
B&W(direct object) somehow took(verb) away from Ego(receiving noun).
What you should have said:
Ego somehow took away from B&W.
The cat took the bone away from the dog.
The dog took the bone away from the cat.
In English, word order is important.
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Wow... no need to be patronizing and you are still misunderstanding me.
"But anyway, you made it sound as if B&W somehow took away from Ego."
You suggested that the presence of the evolving creature AI in B&W made the evolving world AI in Ego something less than new. IE: You made it sound like B&W took away from Ego, made Ego’s innovation less than it is etc.
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Originally posted by ho3j
Wow... no need to be patronizing and you are still misunderstanding me.
"But anyway, you made it sound as if B&W somehow took away from Ego."
You suggested that the presence of the evolving creature AI in B&W made the evolving world AI in Ego something less than new. IE: You made it sound like B&W took away from Ego, made Ego’s innovation less than it is etc.
Well why didn\'t you say so? You said before that I took it "backwards." B&W never "lessens" EGO, \'cause it wasn\'t high up there in the first place.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Well why didn\'t you say so? You said before that I took it "backwards." B&W never "lessens" EGO, \'cause it wasn\'t high up there in the first place.
Argh :) Do you always make these things so frustrating? You responding very unhappily when Jumpman corrected your spelling but now you’re playing the semantics game with me. :P
I had no idea how you mistook my paraphrasing of you words for an inability to understand the course of time. That you misunderstood me and thought that I was trying to say that “Ego takes away from B&W” was what I came up with. Now please, this is pointless and a waste of our time.
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Originally posted by ho3j
Argh :) Do you always make these things so frustrating? You responding very unhappily when Jumpman corrected your spelling but now you’re playing the semantics game with me. :P
I had no idea how you mistook my paraphrasing of you words for an inability to understand the course of time. That you misunderstood me and thought that I was trying to say that “Ego takes away from B&W” was what I came up with. Now please, this is pointless and a waste of our time.
That wasn\'t the point of my last post.
Enough about the grammar already. You still seem to be missing my point, (or do and am not acknowledging it.)
Ego is not some "great new thing that nobody has thought of before" and I don\'t care if it\'s exclusive to xbox or not.
The End.
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Never bought a DC?
well, I think I speak for Living-In-Clip, SonyFan, ME, and about every other DC owner and say "well, that explains it."
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Never bought a DC?
well, I think I speak for Living-In-Clip, SonyFan, ME, and about every other DC owner and say "well, that explains it."
Eric Jacob
Yep...
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