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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: hyper on July 26, 2001, 07:08:56 PM
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http://cube.ign.com/news/36922.html
Brings tears to my eyes.
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This is the second sad-story of gc I\'ve heard of.
\'Tis a pity that politics get in the way of the raw talent of programmers.
UPDATE: I just saw the two movies! OMFG those are awesome! The sounds were so incredibly creepy, in a good way. And the Matrix-style slo-mo was pretty cool too! Damn politics had to scrap a kick-arse game!
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I know man, the videos were friggin awesome!! In the end though, it\'s all about dead presidents printed on pieces of cheap green paper.
PS What\'s the other sad GC story??
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Looks very repetitive. The only thing the thing did was fight. Those things sounded freaking demonic :laughing:
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Originally posted by hyper
I know man, the videos were friggin awesome!! In the end though, it\'s all about dead presidents printed on pieces of cheap green paper.
PS What\'s the other sad GC story??
Metroid, and all the hassles it went through, but I can\'t remeber, did they decide to scrap that too?
That\'s funny though, both are by the same developing team.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Metroid, and all the hassles it went through, but I can\'t remeber, did they decide to scrap that too?
That\'s funny though, both are by the same developing team.
No, Metriod has not been scrapped.
And we\'ve been over this. Nintendo gave Retro Metriod and then told them to make it a FPS. EGM reported that Retro didn\'t even want to do the franchise at first, because of the pressure. Not to mention making a classic Metriod with the FPS viewer is just impossible and Retro knew this.
In the end, if Metriod sucks it is because of Nintendo being idiots. Not because of Retro Studio\'s.
Raven Blade and other games was all scrapped so that Retro could try and dedicate everything to pullin\' Metriod out of the slump it is suppose to be.
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I\'ll download the movies over night. Do the pictures do this game justice? Because they look like crap. I hope the movies look better.
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Originally posted by IronFist
I\'ll download the movies over night. Do the pictures do this game justice? Because they look like crap. I hope the movies look better.
They don\'t look that much better, but you need to remember that this was the early development stage of the game. With that in mind these clips look excellent. When watching, focus on the sounds and the "power-up / slo-mo" deal he does. It\'s cool.
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If the new METROID sucks it\'ll be more Nintendo\'s fault than Retro\'s.
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After watching those videos, I\'m glad Nintendo ****-canned Raven Blade.
It barely looks better than Vagrant Story for PSX. The gameplay appeared to be repeditive too. Hacking and slashing the same enemies over and over again gets pretty boring after 1 minute.
Now atleast they can concentrate 100% on Metroid. :)
And we\'ve been over this. Nintendo gave Retro Metriod and then told them to make it a FPS.
First person adventure. As long as the game is awesome then I\'ll be happy.
We\'ll see it at SpaceWorld in real-time and some gameplay footage.
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LOL, I didn\'t even know it was cancelled until I read Jumpman\'s post. I didn\'t bother reading anything on the page and just went strait to the movies, and I think a lot of you guys did the same. :) For the record, Raven Blade has been cancelled. And I agree with Jumpman. The game looks worse than even some PSX games.
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Originally posted by IronFist
LOL, I didn\'t even know it was cancelled until I read Jumpman\'s post. I didn\'t bother reading anything on the page and just went strait to the movies, and I think a lot of you guys did the same. :) For the record, Raven Blade has been cancelled. And I agree with Jumpman. The game looks worse than even some PSX games.
Those videos were not finnished product, but just the beginning. I\'m sure that is not how the battling was supposed to go, with just villian after villian popping out of the floor. I bet that was the only room that had somewhat finnished, and were testing out the battle system. And the graphic-wise that was the first "sweep through." Of course they would be refined before final production.
What, do you all think that games come out perfect the first time through? This was just to give an idea of what it would be like, not close to the final product.
Sheesh, some people.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Those videos were not finnished product, but just the beginning. I\'m sure that is not how the battling was supposed to go, with just villian after villian popping out of the floor. I bet that was the only room that had somewhat finnished, and were testing out the battle system. And the graphic-wise that was the first "sweep through." Of course they would be refined before final production.
What, do you all think that games come out perfect the first time through? This was just to give an idea of what it would be like, not close to the final product.
Sheesh, some people.
Let\'s take notes.
-Retro has been working on this project for a long time now( since Oct at the least)
-It\'s gameplay looks repiditive and boring.
- It\'s graphics are nothing impressive. Soul Reaver on the DC looks better.
I think I have a right to be disapointed. (Old-skool smiley time!)
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Let\'s take notes.
-Retro has been working on this project for a long time now( since Oct at the least)
-It\'s gameplay looks repiditive[sic] and boring.
- It\'s graphics are nothing impressive. Soul Reaver on the DC looks better.
I think I have a right to be disapointed. (Old-skool smiley time!)
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-With all the changes in the development team, it seem that they really didn\'t get into the graphics part head-on until February.
The team working on the RPG went through several reorganizations. The first came in February shortly after Nintendo cancelled the company\'s secret pigskin GCN title Football 2002, and members from the game moved over to Raven Blade.
-Repetitive, how? I thought the video was of a TEST room, one that would infinately produce villians to battle. That would not be a part of the actual game.
-This was the first stage of the graphics. Sure they probably wouldn\'t have produced the best graphic ever, but it would be signifigantly better than what it was in the movies.
But here we are, arguing over the specs of a game that will never exist. All I\'m trying to say is that it could have been a great game, had the "big \'N\' " not scrapped it.
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With all the changes in the development team, it seem that they really didn\'t get into the graphics part head-on until February.
Graphics are usually the first stage of a game. Ever see any other NGC games? They blow that video away. Retro had PLENTY of time to have good graphics instead of second generation DC qulaity graphics.
Repetitive, how? I thought the video was of a TEST room, one that would infinately produce villians to battle. That would not be a part of the actual game.
Mindless hacking and slashing=boring.
This was the first stage of the graphics. Sure they probably wouldn\'t have produced the best graphic ever, but it would be signifigantly better than what it was in the movies.
Luigi\'s Mansion\'s first stage of graphics looked A LOT better than what I saw(poor textures, low polygon models, ect). I don\'t expect them to look perfect, but I don\'t expect them to look like a DC or PSX game either. Oh, and Mr. Supposed Dictionary, it\'s spelt significantly. :)
Once again, I have a right to be disapointed.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Oh, and Mr. Supposed Dictionary, it\'s spelt significantly. :)
Once again, I have a right to be disapointed.
OMFG! Troglodyte isn\'t perfect! The sky is falling!
I think I\'ll exploit him with it!
Gawd. So my finger lingered over the "g" key too long and I mistook it for the "c" key. BFD.
I\'m only human!
If you\'re more dissapointed \'cause of the gameplay, I\'ll go for it, but in my own opinion, I\'ll disagree. (Every now in then I like a good, mindless, hack n\' slash.)
But basing opinion on graphics of a game in development is another story. I\'ll refer you to the Jax & Dex threads. Notice how the graphics get better over time? Especially the closer it is to being finished? Yeah-yeah, they looked good from the beginning, but you didn\'t even give them a chance. And now, they\'ll never have that chance.
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
If you\'re more dissapointed \'cause of the gameplay, I\'ll go for it, but in my own opinion, I\'ll disagree. (Every now in then I like a good, mindless, hack n\' slash.)
But basing opinion on graphics of a game in development is another story. I\'ll refer you to the Jax & Dex threads. Notice how the graphics get better over time? Especially the closer it is to being finished? Yeah-yeah, they looked good from the beginning, but you didn\'t even give them a chance. And now, they\'ll never have that chance.
I think it\'s quite obvious that I\'m disapointed in both gameplay and graphics. Though they\'ll always be some people who have to hear it directly.
I never gave J&D a chance when? I said I wasn\'t interested in it. Who says I can\'t change my mind? I thought DC was crap until I actually played it then went out and bought one. People can changes their minds you know. That should be commen knowledge by now.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
I think it\'s quite obvious that I\'m disapointed in both gameplay and graphics. Though they\'ll always be some people who have to hear it directly.
I never gave J&D a chance when? I said I wasn\'t interested in it. Who says I can\'t change my mind? I thought DC was crap until I actually played it then went out and bought one. People can changes their minds you know. That should be commen knowledge by now.
Note how I said "If you\'re more dissapointed \'cause of the gameplay. . ."
I know you are dissapointed in both, but I was hoping you were deterred more by the gameplay than the graphics. Because the gameplay was more concrete than the graphics at that stage in the game.
I never said anything about your preference to Jax & Dex, I simply stated that if you look at the earlier shots of the game in the threads, and compare them to the newer shots of the game, you will see an improvement in the graphics. "Notice how the graphics get better over time? Especially the closer it is to being finished?"
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I don\'t even know what you guys are arguing about, but I want to join in on the fun. :)
For the most part, the graphics engine is always the first part finished. You can\'t make a game if you can\'t test it with the graphics engine. When we first saw MGS2 last year, did it look any worse than the stuff we saw this year? Probably not, because the graphics engine was already complete when they showed the game E3 2000. They might still tweak it and optimize it, but for the most part, it\'s finished. Like Jumpman said, Raven Blade has been in development since at least October. That is more than enough time to make a good graphics engine, especially on the supposedly easy-to-develop-for NGC.
Oh, and Jumpman, it\'s spelled common, not commen. :p Spelling mistakes happen all the time. There is no reason to correct what others type.
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Originally posted by IronFist
I don\'t even know what you guys are arguing about, but I want to join in on the fun. :)
For the most part, the graphics engine is always the first part finished. You can\'t make a game if you can\'t test it with the graphics engine. When we first saw MGS2 last year, did it look any worse than the stuff we saw this year? Probably not, because the graphics engine was already complete when they showed the game E3 2000. They might still tweak it and optimize it, but for the most part, it\'s finished. Like Jumpman said, Raven Blade has been in development since at least October. That is more than enough time to make a good graphics engine, especially on the supposedly easy-to-develop-for NGC.
Oh, and Jumpman, it\'s spelled common, not commen. :p Spelling mistakes happen all the time. There is no reason to correct what others type.
I thank you sir for stepping in. This has spun off to form a soap opera of our own! I wish they didn\'t quit developing the game. I would have enjoyed playing it. But I guess I\'ll never have the pleasure!
Speaking of soap operas, when are we gonna kick this "New Great Debate" into high gear? I\'m pumped up and ready!
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Originally posted by Troglodyte
Speaking of soap operas, when are we gonna kick this "New Great Debate" into high gear? I\'m pumped up and ready!
I don\'t know, but I\'m not going to join in. I suck at debating. :) I will probably just watch and cheer from the sidelines.
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This video (http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/previews/video/ravenblade/raventest1.mov) shows that Retro has style. I love it how the background song represents their perseverence. If it wasn\'t for Nintendo, they\'d be an aspiring developer... Retro has my full-fledged support from now on.