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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Ryu on July 31, 2001, 10:43:42 AM
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Now for the ice planet of Hoth...
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And finally... a lovely B-Wing barrage!
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OMG, /me orgasms.
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OMFG!!!!!! LOOK AT THAT......I would never have imagined this could be done on the GameCube..... This is too real too belive.....:wedge:
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Wow.:eek:
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Holy shi!t that looks frickin\' amazing!!!
This game does it all: bump-mapping, shadows, extremely advanced lighting, an insane amount of polygons on screen, HUGE draw distance, and probably some more hardware effects that I\'m not familiar with.
Those Battle Of Hoth screens are unbelievable. This has to be the best looking game ever.
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AND THESE ARE FIRST GENERATION SCREENS!!!!!!! *Dies*:vader:
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Very nice :)
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The textures are good.:thepimp: ;) :thepimp:
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NEW SHOTS!:
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:wedge: :D
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http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/screens/0,11105,481078-22,00.html
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/screens/0,11105,481078-16,00.html
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/screens/0,11105,481078-18,00.html
@#$%@$#%!%@$#$$@%@%!%!$@@%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rouge is sure looking good, :D
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Ohhh, look at those cool little troopers on the ground ! yeah!!! it\'s time once again to blast them to hell. :D
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If only the NGC had other games that looked this good. Not even Luigi and Pikmin look this good, and they are made by Mimasomethingsomething (You know who I\'m talking about. :))
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Rogue Leader didn\'t look nearly as good when it was first previewed. Maybe Nintendo\'s planning to surprise us with Luigi and Pikmin\'s progress at Spceworld.
And it\'s Miyamoto. Remember God\'s name. :)
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those are very sweet
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And all this running at a blazing 60fps. This can\'t be first gen... but it is. Imagine what we\'ll see a few years from now. :eek:
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Originally posted by hyper
And all this running at a blazing 60fps. This can\'t be first gen... but it is. Imagine what we\'ll see a few years from now. :eek:
the GC is an easy to develope for system that has the majority of its effects available at a flick of a switch
it shouldn\'t be too difficult for the top dev\'s to get the majority out of GC right off the bat.
Being that the actual models for Rogue Squandron we\'re taken right from the actual models in the movie, development time was shaved considerably and focus was left to polish up the game and tap GC for as much as possible.
If GC can improve considerably from this over its lifetime I\'ll be amazed,
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Some more pics because I love you all...
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:D (Thx for merging the threads btw)
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Originally posted by ddaryl
the GC is an easy to develope for system that has the majority of its effects available at a flick of a switch
it shouldn\'t be too difficult for the top dev\'s to get the majority out of GC right off the bat.
Being that the actual models for Rogue Squandron we\'re taken right from the actual models in the movie, development time was shaved considerably and focus was left to polish up the game and tap GC for as much as possible.
If GC can improve considerably from this over its lifetime I\'ll be amazed,
Yeah, that may explain why RL is outperforming even Nintendo (about the models being taken from the movie). But still, no dev can get everything out of a console in the beginning; there\'s still a lot of juice left in the GC yet. I don\'t see how anything can get better than this though. ;)
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Originally posted by ddaryl
the GC is an easy to develope for system that has the majority of its effects available at a flick of a switch
it shouldn\'t be too difficult for the top dev\'s to get the majority out of GC right off the bat.
Being that the actual models for Rogue Squandron we\'re taken right from the actual models in the movie, development time was shaved considerably and focus was left to polish up the game and tap GC for as much as possible.
If GC can improve considerably from this over its lifetime I\'ll be amazed,
I read in an interview awhile ago(can\'t remember who and where but that\'s irrelevant) and a Nintendo rep said when they were making the hardware the most important things to include was ease of devlopment and flexibility(improving graphics and power over time). Yeah I thought it was odd too but I positive that\'s why the guy said(flexibility is not a word in my limited vocabulary).
But I seriously doubt Rogue Leader will be the best looking game for NGC ever. The PSX was supposedly easy to develop for and it took awhile to get the full power out of it, same with SNES(Mario RPG), Genesis(Sonic 3d), and DC(Shenmue). I use the games in brackets as example of seeing the best looking game for the system \'till near the end of the console\'s lifetime. But Shenmue shouldn\'t count since Sega spent 75 million on the game...
The point I\'m trying to make is that NGC will have better looking games latter one. Just wait until SpaceWorld and the next Zelda will make mince-meat out of Rogue Leader...guaranteed. :)
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Jumpman, you forget ShenmueII is coming out, and I hear it is awe-inspiring. And form what I have seen in terms of movies, it is truly great.
I must say though, this game impresses me. And not many games impress me graphically.
Sonic3D (Genny)
Donkey Kong Country (SNES)
Street Fighter 2\' (SMS)
Panzer Dragoon Saga (Saturn)
Shenmue (DC)
Jet Set Radio (DC)
and now...
Rogue Leader 2 (GC)
and it can only get better with more dev. time :) !
Eric Jacob
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Jumpman, you forget ShenmueII is coming out, and I hear it is awe-inspiring. And form what I have seen in terms of movies, it is truly great.
I\'ve seen some movies of this game too, and it looks a little better. Ryo looks EXACTLY the same but I thought the backrounds looks better. Hopefully, there won\'t be any more ridiculous pop-up. Walking in the street and watching people come out of nowhere always bothered me...
I must say though, this game impresses me. And not many games impress me graphically.
Sonic3D (Genny)
Donkey Kong Country (SNES)
Street Fighter 2\' (SMS)
Panzer Dragoon Saga (Saturn)
Shenmue (DC)
Jet Set Radio (DC)
and now...
Rogue Leader 2 (GC)
Ha! I\'ve been impressed by less games than you!
Donkey Kong Country
Mario RPG
Mario 64(the whole 3D thing was new to me...)
Shenmue
Zelda SpaceWorld demo
Rogue Leader
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I think we are thinking on different levels here.
I am impressed when a suppoedly weak system does things that before that game came out, most people would think it couldn\'t be done.
Add in the fact that you have never played, nor seen Street Fighter 2\' for SMS, nor played or seen Panzer Saga live, etc, would of course exclude you from those games. Also, Sonic3D Blast for Genny is purely amazing for the systemm heck, it is amazing for SNES.
it\'s like graphics that blow me away do sdo because of the techniques done to produce them on that hardware.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Jumpman
I read in an interview awhile ago(can\'t remember who and where but that\'s irrelevant) and a Nintendo rep said when they were making the hardware the most important things to include was ease of devlopment and flexibility(improving graphics and power over time). Yeah I thought it was odd too but I positive that\'s why the guy said(flexibility is not a word in my limited vocabulary).
But I seriously doubt Rogue Leader will be the best looking game for NGC ever. The PSX was supposedly easy to develop for and it took awhile to get the full power out of it, same with SNES(Mario RPG), Genesis(Sonic 3d), and DC(Shenmue). I use the games in brackets as example of seeing the best looking game for the system \'till near the end of the console\'s lifetime. But Shenmue shouldn\'t count since Sega spent 75 million on the game...
The point I\'m trying to make is that NGC will have better looking games latter one. Just wait until SpaceWorld and the next Zelda will make mince-meat out of Rogue Leader...guaranteed. :)
Sure Jumpman ! We\'ll see better and better graphics in the next generations GC games...the fact that GC is the easiest to develop for does mean we\'ll see a far bigger percentage of its power at launch compared to PS2 but it doesn\'t mean GC can\'t do much better ! I\'m sure the Next Zelda will make us crying out "MIRACLE" ! I can\'t wait Jumpman :)
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well....colour me tickled pink...im impressed
this game is definately up the top of my lists of most impressive games graphically...another nail in the XBox coffin ;)
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Wow, awesome textures, lighting and bump-mapping. I thought XBox would be more powerful than the Gamecube, but after seeing these screens I\'m not sure. If the gameplay is as nice as the screens, than RL 2 will be a killer-app. for Nintendo\'s console.
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This is the best looking game I\'ve ever seen. Period. The fact that Nintendo can produce such high quality graphics is a real shame on the XBox. Nothing XBox has shown is even in the graphical ballpark of Rogue Leader. The mighty one has not only been stood up, but completely thrashed by a machine that supposedly is only barely more powerful than PS2.
I am utterly stunned.
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Yup, Weltal sums it up pretty good.
Damn , this stuff blows away everything on my
PS2. Just look at the sheer amount of polys with
almost no jaggies....
Knotter8:)
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LOL!:D The XBOX fanboys are going to have a tough one, with this game....
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Three more shots of this amazingly looking game.
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Hah, I was just getting ready to post those Jumpy. Beat me to it you bastard. ;) Sweet shots though, drool-tastic.
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Also the thing about those models being straight from the Special Edition is false. That was proved about 10 days after that was said, plus there were no Digital SDs or B-Wings, or A-Wings for that matter.:wedge:
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It probably is the best game I have ever seen. But it doesn\'t beat the pants off of all the X-Box games, you can\'t compare, for example, shooting to fighting, shooting to racing, apples to oranges.
X-Box doesnt have any shooting games that were made especially to use X-Box\'s power, just Star Wars ported from PS2 and that one flight sim by microsoft.
When Panzer Dragoon 4 comes out, we can then compare shooting game graphics. I have a feeling it will be BIG.
Eric Jacob
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When Panzer Dragoon 4 comes out, we can then compare shooting game graphics. I have a feeling it will be BIG.
I have a feeling it will sell poorly because only 700,000 people have actually heard of the game to this point.
Relevance? None. But I\'m so terribly bored...
/goes back to playing one of the greatest RPGs ever, EarthBound. :)
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Thats good...errrrm. I believe it will sell moderately well, getting the exposure the series deserves.
Eric Jacob
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Holy **** ! Those pics Jumpman posted !
If they\'d say those are mock ups I\'d believe
it.
Just look at it. Remember me ranting/raving
in some thread about the absence of Solid Snakes
shadow ? And then I see rt shadows in such a
big game !
Credit where credit belongs on this one : NGC and
of course the ppl at Lucas !:D
Knotter8
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aweomse stuff
well i can\'t wait to play this one and i bet right now this will be the game that sells the system for a lot of people - espcially with those graphics it will attract a lot of mainstream folks
well i still wanna wait though - spending money has become a big deal for me now
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I\'m really impressed with the textures they look so clear. I got to give it to factor 5 they know the gamecube.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Anybody watch the pre-E3 Nintendo press conference? During it they said that some developers would be able to use nearly all of the power of the GC immediately because it is so easy to program for. They kept stressing the ease of development of GC and that was mentioned, if I can find the video again I\'ll quote exactly what was said.
Factor 5 said in some scenes the game is pushing 9million pps, nearly all the power of the GC.
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From Jeff Spangenberg of Retro Studios during the pre E3 press conference;
you can get 90% of the maximum peak out of it(GC) straight out of the gate.
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If I remember correctly, the Star Destroyer in RL pushes 8 million polygons by itself if shown. Then you add all the other ships in, particle effects, all the lighting, you get about 12 fps. 12mpgps is with all effects on. EA of Canada got 17mpgps with 4 texture layers on.
I belive that Jeff was talking about getting what you have put into the code to run, at about 90% without having it to make big huge go backs in the programming to get it to run like the PS2 or N64. He wasn\'t talking about getting all of its power withdrawled right out of the box. Factor 5 says they are only using about a little over half its graphical potential. By launch it will most likely be a little under 75%.
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When asked how many polygons the GameCube is pushing in Rogue Leader, Tosti offered a rough estimate of 150,000 polygons per frame or roughly 9 million polygons a second.
The various Rebel fighters you will pilot are made up of roughly 15,000 polygons, while enemy fighters start at 3,000 polygons and can be as high as 130,000 polygons, such as in the case of the Star Destroyer you encounter.
The rest of what Jeff said;
You are going to be able to focus on creating the game rather than...you know...struggling with the hardware. It\'s basically going to be an incredibly powerful machine that\'s going to be easy to program for and say you can get 90% of the maximum peak out of it(GC) straight out of the gate.
A guy from Silicon Graphics was the one talking about what you said, being able to easily optimize it unlike with the PS2.
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This is the best looking game I\'ve ever seen. Period. The fact that Nintendo can produce such high quality graphics is a real shame on the XBox. Nothing XBox has shown is even in the graphical ballpark of Rogue Leader.
Really?
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So that doesn\'t look as good, if not better, than RL?
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Originally posted by inteq
Really?
So that doesn\'t look as good, if not better, than RL?
Exactly. While RL looks great, it is not that great. It\'s not very fair to compare different genres, but I think the Xbox has games that match or surpass RL graphically.
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Really?
So that doesn\'t look as good, if not better, than RL?
Nope. :p
You are going to be able to focus on creating the game rather than...you know...struggling with the hardware. It\'s basically going to be an incredibly powerful machine that\'s going to be easy to program for and say you can get 90% of the maximum peak out of it(GC) straight out of the gate.
Hey, that\'s a good thing if you ask me. Instead of worrying about graphics, then developers can focus on great gameplay. I don\'t see a downside.
However, that statement is simply not true. If it was, then every NGC game would look as good as RL. But do they? Not even ****ing close. NGC\'s second best looking game, Luigi\'s Mansion, cannot compare graphics wise.
And Jeff Spangenberg....wasn\'t he fired by Nintendo? That\'s what I heard. Retro employees said he was never there. Hey, there were pictures of this guy partying, one even had him with a topless woman. How reliable is this guy?(not very IMO)
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Originally posted by inteq
Really?
So that doesn\'t look as good, if not better, than RL?
Oh God, let\'s not begin a "I\'m a better graphic whore than you" thread. They both look great, each in their own ways; let\'s leave it at that.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Hey, that\'s a good thing if you ask me. Instead of worrying about graphics, then developers can focus on great gameplay. I don\'t see a downside.
Exactly!! If dev\'s don\'t have to wrestle with the hardware, all they\'ll have to do is hone the gameplay. It\'ll be like in the 16-bit era, when gameplay was considered at least as equally important as graphics.
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Exactly!! If dev\'s don\'t have to wrestle with the hardware, all they\'ll have to do is hone the gameplay. It\'ll be like in the 16-bit era, when gameplay was considered at least as equally important as graphics.
Yet all RL is is a better looking Rogue Squadron with no gameplay enhancements. Same with SSB:M and Waverace.
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Originally posted by inteq
Yet all RL is is a better looking Rogue Squadron with no gameplay enhancements. Same with SSB:M and Waverace.
RL has no enhancements?
What do you call the totally new targeting screen? And how about the feature that allows you to control your wingmen? There is also advanced enemy AI instead of just fighters on mindless cycles.
Besides, most sequals do not have enhancements anyways. I don\'t see any enhancements with DOA3, Tekken 2,3,4, the Street Fighter series, ect ect. Most sequals are rehashes.
I\'m not surprised people don\'t complain more often because of no originality. Sequals to great games are good, even if they\'re basically the same game. \'Nuff said.
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What do you call the totally new targeting screen? And how about the feature that allows you to control your wingmen? There is also advanced enemy AI instead of just fighters on mindless cycles.
Hmm, didn\'t read about being able to control your wingmen or a new targeting system. Your right, those are big enhancements.
Anyway, don\'t think I\'m not getting a GC. It\'s just that when people like Weltall say crap like Xbox doesn\'t have a game that is in the graphical ballpark of RL I get a little mad.
Luigi\'s Mansion looks really cool and different and Waverace looks bad ass, though it looks to be exactly the same as the first but with better graphics. Are there at least new tricks or a tricks mode? I just didn\'t like Rogue Squadron for N64, and thought RL was going to be exactly the same, that is why I really wasn\'t looking forward to this game. If those things that Jumpman said are true, then maybe I\'ll have to check RL out too. Is it going to be multiplayer, like two player cooperative or deathmatch?
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Originally posted by hyper
Oh God, let\'s not begin a "I\'m a better graphic whore than you" thread. They both look great, each in their own ways; let\'s leave it at that.
Please...Inteq has just replied to the statement : "This is the best looking game I\'ve ever seen. Period. The fact that Nintendo can produce such high quality graphics is a real shame on the XBox. Nothing XBox has shown is even in the graphical ballpark of Rogue Leader.
Though I\'m really impressed by the Graphics of RL,I\'ve seen X-Box games in Alpha looking very very good(Project Ego,DOA3 for example) with the best graphics I\'ve ever seen...
Hey, that\'s a good thing if you ask me. Instead of worrying about graphics, then developers can focus on great gameplay. I don\'t see a downside.
Yes! Totally agreed! but there\'s even a little "downside"...GC is the Less-programable...nothing is perfect...there are two sides to everything!
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What the heck are you smoking? You don\'t see any games on the Xbox that looks better than RL? Um are you blind? Seriously!
First of all, those are definitely in game FMV shots.....
When you take a look at the gameplay pic, it is not that impressive. The environments are way too simple. No trees, cars, ppl, or other sophisticated moving objects like you would usually see. It is bland and lifeless. This gives the programmers more room to work on the textures, models, etc. I mean if the game was in a Shenmue like world and it still retains this graphical quality then it would be the best looking game ever. As it stands, it is not. Impressive? Yes. Best looking game ever? No way! Not by a long shot!
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The various Rebel fighters you will pilot are made up of roughly 15,000 polygons, while enemy fighters start at 3,000 polygons and can be as high as 130,000 polygons, such as in the case of the Star Destroyer you encounter.
Lets do that math, shall we?
130,000x60fps=7,800,000 polys. Almost 8million. Now we take the Ships. Lets say, in one show I saw about 17 ties, with the SD there. And there weree about 3 or 4 rebel ships on. Plus the Correlian Corvette.
17x3,000(I\'ll just take the lowest one)x60=3,060,000
Now take the rebels:
15,000x4x60=3,600,000
I don\'t know how much the Corvette runs in polys so I\'ll just leave it out.
So that scene that I saw a picture of was....
3.600,000
3,060,000
7,800,000= 14,460,000
So we are talking around roughly 15 million polygons in that screen shot, give or take a few. This is way over 9 million. All of those numbers are exact.
I would rather play Super Smash Brothers Melee than DoA3, TTT, or any other fighter for that matter. I hated all fighters till my cousin came to my grandma\'s, we hooked his N64 up and he got me to play it. A very fun game. I bought it right after. Plus, now there are going to be like 18 bonus characters, new items, better graphics was a must (Fox looked like he was made of plastic). Its a sequel a rehash, whatever you want it. It is just improving on the first one.
I have no reason to get the XBox, Unreal Tournament, Goldeneye, and Perfect Dark are all I need for FPS.
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First of all, those are definitely in game FMV shots.....
You SERIOUSLY need to research your stuff before you make any type of statement at all and try and pass it off as fact. I\'ll let Jumpman kill you with this one, I won\'t even waste anymore of my time.
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Originally posted by Tshirts
What the heck are you smoking? You don\'t see any games on the Xbox that looks better than RL? Um are you blind? Seriously!
First of all, those are definitely in game FMV shots.....
Who are you trying to kid? Those are all ingame, realtime shots, Don\'t you see the rader on the upper left shows the enemy units.
Also FACTOR 5 HATES, absolutely HATES FMV. They hate it so badly that they have said they would never use it. It takes away from the game and puts you in a place where it doesn\'t belong, then to jump back into Ingame just makes it seem less real.
When you take a look at the gameplay pic, it is not that impressive. The environments are way too simple. No trees, cars, ppl, or other sophisticated moving objects like you would usually see. It is bland and lifeless. This gives the programmers more room to work on the textures, models, etc. I mean if the game was in a Shenmue like world and it still retains this graphical quality then it would be the best looking game ever. As it stands, it is not. Impressive? Yes. Best looking game ever? No way! Not by a long shot!
You are the idiot T****s, If you have EVER seen the Empire Strikes Back, The Battle of Hoth is shown. THERE IS NOTHING BUT SNOW!! If you watch the beginning, Han says: "There isn\'t enough life on this planet to.... (I Forgot the rest)" There isn\'t anything there, its portraying the movie as best as it can. There are about 150 troopers running around on the ground shooting things at once, ATATs are firing back at you, ATSTs are running along the ground. The Imperial troops are running. All of the snow is bumped mapped to give it a feel that it is real. I am off to go see Rush Hour 2 now, I\'ll let Jumpman kill the rest of your arguement.:wedge:
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um so you are saying they are gameplay pics? All of them? LOL what a fockin joke! They look like "tech" demos to me. In DOA2, the fmv in game graphics uses up to 3 million pps while the actual gameplay uses much less. Same case here. Again, the graphics are way too simple....It consists of layers and layers of long empty backgrounds and buildings at best. I say take the environments of a game like Shenmue or even Zelda, where they have houses, trees, forests, animals, cars, buildings, villages, and such, and if they can retain that much detail with the same graphical quality then it will be the best game graphically ever. As for now? No way!
As for you Jedi? Are you seriously getting emotionally distress over my comment? Gawsh grow up man its just a fockin game! Haha
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And you gave an example of how they bumped map snow to the point of realism....
um its snow you are talking. How hard is it to make snow "look real". Like I said the graphics are way too simple. Take a look at Project Ego where they individually create every blade of grass and leaves....now that is impressive.
Then we have the buildings.....
It is a star wars environment so of course they don\'t have to re-create a whole city with moving cars, windows, trees, ppl, etc.....I mean all the focus is on just that one building....
The environments is way too simple....
Then when they fight outer space there also isn\'t much going on. All you see are stars and planets and the focus can simply be place on the fighter pilots and such.
Too simple......
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Originally posted by Tshirts
And you gave an example of how they bumped map snow to the point of realism....
um its snow you are talking. How hard is it to make snow "look real". Like I said the graphics are way too simple. Take a look at Project Ego where they individually create every blade of grass and leaves....now that is impressive.
Then we have the buildings.....
It is a star wars environment so of course they don\'t have to re-create a whole city with moving cars, windows, trees, ppl, etc.....I mean all the focus is on just that one building....
The environments is way too simple....
Then when they fight outer space there also isn\'t much going on. All you see are stars and planets and the focus can simply be place on the fighter pilots and such.
Too simple......
How else do you think that they would make snow real? This is what it looked like in the movie, what else should they do, recreate every little snowflake:rolleyes: This is a shooter, you are usually above ground, its not something that you are near as close as DOA3.
If there was a battle above your head with F16s Fighting everywhere, enemy ships bombing the ground, Would you drive a car around or take a walk?(don\'t answer that:D) Bespin has no trees. How much do you know about Star Wars, and Yeah there are windows:rolleyes:
What else are you going to see in Space?!?!?! Think before you say something stupid. Next time, If you are in a battle, are you going to pay attention to a planet below you? You just want to get shot down I guess when you are playing
:laughing: :laughing:
Rush Hour 2 was great, very funny, I recommened it to anyone.
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um so you are saying they are gameplay pics? All of them? LOL what a fockin joke! They look like "tech" demos to me.
Buh? What? You doubt the GCN\'s power that much? Since any words of mine would be incredibly hollow to your biased moronic ways, I\'ll let Gamespot and the producer\\directors of Factor 5 to speak for me:
Making use of absolutely no CG, Rogue Leader uses nearly every special effect the GameCube has to offer, including bump mapping, reflection mapping, particle effects, aliasing, and cel shading for amazingly detailed graphics.
Wow, that pretty much puts a big giant "retard" sign on your forehead doesn\'t it? Oh, wait a second, there\'s another sentence in your paragraph. What\'s that? Only 3 million PPS in DOA3? I could have sworn it was much more then that, but since I\'m debating with YOU and not the developers, I\'ll bring this little piece of information to light:
Inreference to Rogue Leader 2:
When asked how many polygons the GameCube is pushing in Rogue Leader, Tosti offered a rough estimate of 150,000 polygons per frame or roughly 9 million polygons a second.
9 million pps?! Aw gee... If your DOA3 number was accurate, this kind of puts those numbers to shame. Thank god they aren\'t.
*SPANKED*
Here\'s a link if you doubt my knowledge: http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/0,11114,481078,00.html
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Originally posted by Tshirts
And you gave an example of how they bumped map snow to the point of realism....
um its snow you are talking. How hard is it to make snow "look real". Like I said the graphics are way too simple. Take a look at Project Ego where they individually create every blade of grass and leaves....now that is impressive.
Hmm... well, how do you know if the screens of Project Ego aren\'t just in-game FMV?? Since you can\'t trust Factor 5\'s words, you naturally can\'t trust the makers of Project Ego either, right??
Then we have the buildings.....
It is a star wars environment so of course they don\'t have to re-create a whole city with moving cars, windows, trees, ppl, etc.....I mean all the focus is on just that one building....
The environments is way too simple....
Then when they fight outer space there also isn\'t much going on. All you see are stars and planets and the focus can simply be place on the fighter pilots and such.
Too simple......
Tshirts, this game is supposed to be a shooter. What do you expect to do in it, enter a bathroom to crap?? Windows, cars?? WTF do you need those for?? The fact that so many things are going on in such an illustrious enviroment is impressive enough by itself.
RL looks incredible, and so do Project Ego and DOA3. Stop *****ing about it.
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I swear Nintendo fanboys are the most emotionally discharged bunch! Dood it is a simple opinion! I am sure many will agree with me that the game is not the "most graphically impressive game ever"...
Its a fockin opinion......
As for you Ryu....
I never said anything about CGI graphics. I said in game FMV...do you know what that fockin means? FMV graphics using the game engine. Basically the "winning" shots in DOA2, and cinematic shots in Shenmue and such....these are FMVs and the graphics differ greatly from actual gameplay shots. They tend to use more polygons and the shots that you are posting all look like FMV shots to me. Look at the gameplay shots, they are not as impressive. Anyone can make great looking cinematic shots....*cough Madden cough*....but actual in game graphics are a different story.
As for you Jedi....
Although it is in outer space.....the environments are too simple thus the developers are able to focus more on the models than the background. Man if the guys who made Shenmue were able to use a background that consists of only a bunch of stars, trust me they would come up with something as graphically good if not better than RL.
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Hey maybe you Nintendo guys should take your heads out of your asses and listen for once.....
I was talking about how simple the graphics are and not how I want cars, houses, villages and sh*t in a space shooter. Damn grow a brain or stfu!
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Originally posted by Tshirts
I swear Nintendo fanboys are the most emotionally discharged bunch! Dood it is a simple opinion! I am sure many will agree with me that the game is not the "most graphically impressive game ever"...
Its a fockin opinion......
What you posted weren\'t opinions; they were lines of misinformation. All we\'re doing is correcting you.
The graphics have been declared in game by Factor 5 and by all other major websites, including IGN. I think you\'re pretty much alone in this one.
About not many things going on in RL... take a look at the second picture here. (http://cube.ign.com/news/37056.html) See the numerous tiny specs in there?? What do you think those are??
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*sigh* First, it\'s people comparing DOA3 to RL2, despite the fact that these are two TOTALLY different games trying to accomplish two TOTALLY different things and now it\'s people (ONLY you) saying RL2 is purely FMV. That\'s sad. Really sad. Why don\'t you just accept the fact that the graphics ARE just as good as is shown? These shots are ALL in-game footage and the bump-mapped movies look JUST as good as the screens shown. Every stinking net source and magazine publication says these graphics are this good, yet you are the ONLY moron not believing it. Even the most hard-pressed MS fans and Sony fans have come to appreciate these graphics, except for you. You are the ONLY one denying just how good this game looks out of all of the official sources, fanboys, and general graphics whores all over the net. Why are they all wrong and you are ultimately right? If there is a net source that does agree with you, please, show me a link as I have shown mine. These graphics are all in-game.
Note that all of the above scenes are running in real-time on the GameCube hardware, as are all released screenshots of Rogue Leader. Any reports to the contrary are false.
That quote says it all. End of discussion. Raslant posted the source up above by the way so i don\'t have to.
Also, here is a question on the IGNinsider Q&A with the resident Gamecube IGN experts in regards to Gamecube\'s ability to play these screenshots WHILE PLAYING:
XenOtaku: People have been telling me that Rogue Leader does not look as good as the still pictures do. They say that the game is very blurry when you\'re close up to things. Is this true? And will many GC games feature the blurriness that plagued so many N64 games?
Matt: That\'s ridiculous. The game actually looks better in motion because it runs at 60 frames per second while pushing all of that geometry. Trust me, the first time you look around the ****pit of an X-wing with your camera stick as you fly over the Death Star, you will be floored. And screenshots simply don\'t do that experience justice.[/i]
If you are an Insider, you can look at the link here: http://insider.ign.com/articles/301939p1.html
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Please watch this clip:
Rogue Leader Trench Run (http://cubemovies.ign.com/media/e32001/movies/robbleleader4.mov) 10mb
This is real-time. Now tell me that does not look incredible for ANY console. This could be GCN\'s killer app if marketed correctly.
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The pics are awesome, yes, but not all in a game are the graphics.
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Just a little fact for you Tshirts. FMV does not mean "graphics using the game engine." The DOA2 winning poses are not FMV. FMV is an actual movie that was recorded and played off of the CD/DVD. Wild Arms 2 is a great example of this. Their movies are done in FMV.
Here are two definitions of FMV that I found on the internet:
1. Full Motion Video. Video streams such as AVIs and MPEGs are examples of FMV.
2. (FMV) Video that runs at the same rate at which it was filmed.Moving video images and sound available on a computer; usually stored on CD-ROM because of the large size of the files.
DOA2 uses the ingame engine to do its movies and winning poses. I just thought you would want to know.
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Originally posted by Ryu
9 million pps?! Aw gee... If your DOA3 number was accurate, this kind of puts those numbers to shame. Thank god they aren\'t.
*SPANKED*
Ya know Ryu, if you were a wrestling fan, I\'d throw in a "if ya smeelll what Ryu is cookin"....but you\'re not a wrestling fan so...back to my corner.
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it\'s been said before but i must say it myself: wow!
if nintendo can get more "mature" games like this(not a dis of mario,zelda,etc...at all!) then i will have no problem setting a gamecube right beside the ps2 up on the old entertainment system....
EDIT: I just read all the posts to this thread....without naming names some people are getting really sad when they just can\'t admit this game looks awesome and instead have to bring up other systems or games...we ALL have a lot to look forward to with all three consoles that will be out. and that\'s all i have to say about that.
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First of all, those are definitely in game FMV shots.....
Sorry, but there is no such thing as in-game FMV. Please think a little more, a try to come up with a better argument than that.
When you take a look at the gameplay pic, it is not that impressive. The environments are way too simple. No trees, cars, ppl, or other sophisticated moving objects like you would usually see. It is bland and lifeless. This gives the programmers more room to work on the textures, models, etc. I mean if the game was in a Shenmue like world and it still retains this graphical quality then it would be the best looking game ever. As it stands, it is not. Impressive? Yes. Best looking game ever? No way! Not by a long shot!
THIS IS STAR WARS YOU IMBECILE!
There was no trees or cars in the Battle Of Hoth, Bespian, and especially out space! God you\'re one major retard. I know you hate Nintendo, but that\'s no reason to start bull**** in this thread. Get a life.
um so you are saying they are gameplay pics? All of them? LOL what a fockin joke!
Your the only joke in this thread, T****s.
They look like "tech" demos to me.
That\'s because you\'re a ****ing idiot.
In DOA2, the fmv in game graphics uses up to 3 million pps while the actual gameplay uses much less. Same case here.
Your clueless on this.
Every one of those pics with a little wingmen space in the bottom left of the screen is an actual gameplay shot. \'Nuff said. Everything else is in realtime.
It consists of layers and layers of long empty backgrounds and buildings at best. I say take the environments of a game like Shenmue or even Zelda, where they have houses, trees, forests, animals, cars, buildings, villages, and such, and if they can retain that much detail with the same graphical quality then it will be the best game graphically ever. As for now? No way!
Read above. It\'s Star Wars, not The Lion King.
As for you Jedi? Are you seriously getting emotionally distress over my comment? Gawsh grow up man its just a fockin game! Haha
Please don\'t be telling someone else to grow up, your one of the most immature people on this entire board.
And you gave an example of how they bumped map snow to the point of realism....
um its snow you are talking. How hard is it to make snow "look real". Like I said the graphics are way too simple. Take a look at Project Ego where they individually create every blade of grass and leaves....now that is impressive.
Then we have the buildings.....
It is a star wars environment so of course they don\'t have to re-create a whole city with moving cars, windows, trees, ppl, etc.....I mean all the focus is on just that one building....
The environments is way too simple....
Then when they fight outer space there also isn\'t much going on. All you see are stars and planets and the focus can simply be place on the fighter pilots and such.
Too simple......
That was more like a demonstration of your enormous stupidity rather than an example...
I swear Nintendo fanboys are the most emotionally discharged bunch!
*yawn*
So now your calling other peoples fanboys when in actuality you\'re the biggest fanboy here?
I never said anything about CGI graphics. I said in game FMV...do you know what that fockin means?
You gimp, that\'s because there is NO SUCH THING AS IN GAME FMV. There\'s FMV cut-scenes...there\'s realtime cut-scenes...and then there\'s gameplay. NOTHING MORE.
GAWSH! :laughing: <---making fun of Tshirts when he gets ubset.
Although it is in outer space.....the environments are too simple thus the developers are able to focus more on the models than the background.
That\'s what there doing, duh. Last time I checked a destroyer ship consists of over 7 million polygons.
Man if the guys who made Shenmue were able to use a background that consists of only a bunch of stars, trust me they would come up with something as graphically good if not better than RL.
Assumptions assumptions assumptions.
Hey maybe you Nintendo guys should take your heads out of your asses and listen for once.....
Or maybe you should just realize the ****ing facts?
I was talking about how simple the graphics are and not how I want cars, houses, villages and sh*t in a space shooter. Damn grow a brain or stfu!
THEY\'RE RE-CREATING STAR WARS, EINSTEIN! Last time I checked the space in all the Star Wars movies were pretty simple too.
*SPANKED*
So I\'m a little late, sue me.
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ugh I love how many of take what i said and totally twisted it. Gee thanx! Real nice.
First of all, the graphics to me are real impressive. Are they the best I have ever seen? No! That is all I am trying to say.
About FMV........
Granted I used the term wrongly, but ppl do you use "fmv" to describe cinematics during gameplay. Those are in game graphics using the graphics engine but most are not gameplay shots. When you compare the gameplay shots to the cinematic ones, the graphics are drastically different. I just think it is stupid how some fanboys are praising the game basing on cinematic shots. I mean if I can go by Madden\'s "cinematic shots", then it will be the best sports game graphically on the market.
Again, the graphics are simple...
That is the point I am trying to make. Of course I don\'t want cars, trees and stuff in the game because it is a star wars universe after all. RL is lucky to have the environments so simple thus they are able to focus on more special effects, better models and less on background. It is like taking a Streetfighter game and giving it infinite animation while running it on a black background.
Take a look at the snow stage....the environments are only snow!
Take a look at the space stage.....there are only stars and planets!
With these kinds of environments, the developers are able to create more and better models of fighers and the special effects is put in better use because the focus is only on them and not the background.
Again.....
Best game ever?
C\'mon now.......there is no other space fighter to compare this game to other than the model 3 sega Stars wars game, and it is not that drastically much better than that game. Funny thing is, that game is 6 years old. I expected better from Nintendo. ;) Jk!
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Actually 3 out of the 6 are cinematics......
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Jumpman...
I seriously think you have some issues lol
Everytime you get mad at a simple comment I made, I just laugh and think to myself "damn this guy seriously has no life".....
Haha...you are nothing but a joke man...
its just a fockin videogame system....get over it! Don\'t let it get to you. There are a lot of crap in life that we all have to deal with and videogames should be a form of entertainment. I know you have thoughts of killing me just because I don\'t happen to think too highly of Nintendo.
Hmm maybe you need a gf....or better yet some real friends. Hahahahhahahhahahhahhahhahahahhahahhahahhhahha sucka!
Anyway I don\'t hate you. I just think you are a joke. Actually I feel sorry for you. *Hugs* I hope that makes you feel better. Take care and don\'t be too hard on yourself. lol
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Originally posted by Tshirts
Jumpman...
I seriously think you have some issues lol
Everytime you get mad at a simple comment I made, I just laugh and think to myself "damn this guy seriously has no life".....
Haha...you are nothing but a joke man...
its just a fockin videogame system....get over it! Don\'t let it get to you. There are a lot of crap in life that we all have to deal with and videogames should be a form of entertainment. I know you have thoughts of killing me just because I don\'t happen to think too highly of Nintendo.
Hmm maybe you need a gf....or better yet some real friends. Hahahahhahahhahahhahhahhahahahhahahhahahhhahha sucka!
Anyway I don\'t hate you. I just think you are a joke. Actually I feel sorry for you. *Hugs* I hope that makes you feel better. Take care and don\'t be too hard on yourself. lol
Retard, I\'m not the only one making fun of you. Jedi, hyper, and Ryu are all doing the same. I guess they need g/f and real friends too. :rolleyes:
You call me a joke, but you back it up with ****. Your pathetic. Your insulting without backing it up, wtf?
And you assume that I have no life....HA! This forum means NOTHING to me. I come here when I\'m bored, and I\'m always on ICQ when I\'m here. I\'ve been out all week-end like every week-end with my friends, hence why I haven\'t posted in days.
Don\'t make dumb ass assumptions like those again. Your the one who needs a hug.
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Ahh I can finnally get back online.
Jumpman, who says that I don\'t have a gf;)
As for you TShirts, if we were to poll the forum, over 90% of the people here would call you one of the stupidest people here. You know why DOA recreated every blade of grass? Maybe its because they were standing on it and you could clearly see every blade;) Sure, lets bash Rogue Leader for not having detailed grass of every blade when it is flying hundreds of feet above the ground;)
Like I said, why would Bespin have trees dude? They might not even survive! And your a "foking" idiot if you are flying your speeder down the road with ships firing above you.
You are taking up one of the weakest arguements that I have ever seen. You can\'t possibly expect to win an arguement like this. saying "Ingame FMV" tells us that you think this game is too impressive to all be done in real time. We are like a stone wall and you are like a small troll trying to get around us.
We have no footholes:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Tshirts
I was going to respond to you with a long-winded post, but my breath is wasted on deaf ears when I speak to you Tshirts. To think, with your first post, I actually had respect for you. What a difference 100 posts makes. You can moan all you want about the graphics, but they do look that good when you play the game, the game does play that fast, and the game will be very fun. If you can\'t respect that, then there is no hope for you. You can continue being the X-fanboy you are and I\'ll be more then happy continuing to be a game fan. I can\'t wait till you actually play RL2 and see for a fact that the game does look just as good as you have seen in these screenshots, but then again, I wouldn\'t expect you to come crawling back to this forum and admit your own stupidity. Just having the image of you running around with your tail between your legs is good enough for me.
GenjuroKibagani
Ya know Ryu, if you were a wrestling fan, I\'d throw in a "if ya smeelll what Ryu is cookin"....but you\'re not a wrestling fan so...back to my corner.
On the contrary, I AM a wrestling fan. :)
astroglide
EDIT: I just read all the posts to this thread....without naming names some people are getting really sad when they just can\'t admit this game looks awesome and instead have to bring up other systems or games...we ALL have a lot to look forward to with all three consoles that will be out. and that\'s all i have to say about that.
In the immortal words of EmperorRob:
WORD
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Ryu....
Damn how many times do I have to say that I think the game looks mightily impressive! In fact, it is one of the best looking games I have ever seen! The only gripe I had was someone calling it "the best looking game ever". I must contend with that. Although as mightily impressive as it looks, it is definitely not the best looking game ever. The models, special effects and everything else looks great, but the only reason it does is because the backgrounds are way too simple. Too bad the developers are restricted to a "star wars" background.
Again I will reiterate.....
Great looking game? Yes!
Best looking game ever? No!
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Originally posted by Tshirts
Great looking game? Yes!
Best looking game ever? No! [/B]
So what do you think the best looking game ever is? DOA3?
It\'s not like you need any more evidence of how good RL is, but here is some more. :)
This is from the article from msxbox.com entitled "Launch Titles: Xbox vs. Gamecube - Part 1." It is written by Sol.
If there was one game that consistently had a huge crowd wanting to play it at E3, it was the Star Wars: Rogue Leader for the Gamecube. I, too, was awfully gitty while waiting my turn to get a chance to try it out. The visuals really are all that and a bag of lightsabers. Factor 5 has done an amazing job successfully recreating the feeling of being in a Star Wars space battle. If they could keep the gameplay from getting too redundant, then there\'s no reason not to buy this game.
Pound for pound, Rogue Leader looks to be one of the best titles released on any platform.
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ok i\'ll name names:
T-shirts.
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Good ol Tshirts! Still being himself! This game is amazing looking, its gone a long way since we first saw it. It looks BETTER than the movie I think, which makes sense because the movie\'s old.
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Here\'s a movie for ya\'...;)
Blowing up the balloon (http://viewer.ign.com/media_page.jsp?width=512&height=384&media=http://cubemovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/rogue2/rogue_anotherbigboom.mov&media_src=embed&media_type=P&object_id=15337&adtag=network%3Dign%26site%3Dcube%26adchannel%3Dcube%26pagetype%3Darticle&ign_section=33&media_name=Blowing+up+a+big+balloon)
More awesome pics:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcubemedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Frogue2%2Froguejulyf1.jpg&hash=02b1736db0763a37b1a44ed99ac9c27ed25a1a07)
Bump-mapped walls!!
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcubemedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Frogueleader%2Frleader3.jpg&hash=64f2471c643d2327037178b6d2867baa548e67f3)
Click for about a million movies (http://cube.ign.com/previews/15337.html)
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Wow look at the people, the shadows get casted on them.COOL:D.The videos look great.Not one hint of slowdown during the ballon explotion:bounce: