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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Chrono on August 03, 2001, 09:51:27 PM
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Ready for this?
I bet not
This segment taken from the Insider Q&A:
IGN Xbox: What advantage has the Xbox given you that no other console has given you?
Itagaki: The contents of DoA 3 could only be accomplished by the power of the Xbox. This isn\'t the reason for the exclusivity, but the Xbox has the power to achieve Dead or Alive 3. DoA 2 had taken advantage of the full power of the PS2. When you see other fighting games launched for the PS2, you\'ll understand the quality. After DoA 2, we had to create a truly new version, DoA 3, and we needed that kind of power. And that\'s the only reason.
Ok, now WTF is going on here?
Tecmo is now, IMO, without a doubt being paid by MS, and is now a MS puppet. I at first thought that They went to the xbox in an effort to stay away from the ps2 heat and fighting competition.. but now that they have said a flat out LIE ..
I have never seen such lie uttered from a 3rd party before. If they want to develop for the xbox, fine. But don\'t go around SPREADING LIES.. that’s very low, I lost all respect for this company. This is why I don\'t want MS in the industry, and anybody that does should not be a gamer.
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LOL! What a ****y ****ing moron. MS must be bribing them, it\'s one of the two logical explainations.
The other being Temco is just too damn ****y and stupid. They said the EXACT same with DOA2 for DC even though there were better looking games. Yeah, like they\'re the masters of all hardwares...:rolleyes:
Newsflash Temco, Tekken Tag looked better than DOA2, morons.
Either way, that statement was completely untrue and shows the stupidity of Temco.
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That\'s just PR BS. Shows how much descency there is in buisness. Damn ass-suckers. :rolleyes:
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yea i dont know about the bribe part but they are defintely on something
i mean damn what is up with that statement - and then they say it like DOA2 is better then tekken 4 even - maybe they had a little too much saki or something
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Is DOA2 taking advantage of all the power of PS2? Probably not, but we won\'t know until a better looking fighting game comes out for it. I didn\'t believe Team Ninja when they said that about DC, but now that the game has been out for a year and it is still one of the systems best looking games I\'m starting to believe them. They obviously have some talented programmers, just look how great DOA3 looks in such a small amount of time.
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Yeah I\'ve read that before... LOL! :)
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
TTT used aprox 5% DoA2 with 3D backgrounds could use about 10% or so.. (Im just guessing about DoA2 numbers.. Those TTT numbers are true..) :nerd:
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Well...DOA3(complete version) can be done on PS2 and GC with a drop in details...while the same kind of graphics?...well...NOPE!
http://www.teamxbox.com/news.php?id=1597
http://xbox.ign.com/previews/16249.html
and it\'s not what X-Box can really do...I think it\'s still in Alpha...
I won\'t comment on Tecmo\'s statement...but there\'s something that people seem to not accept...the X-Box outclasses both PS2 and GC in each area and such a comment doesn\'t upset me...apart from DOA2 using the full power of PS2!
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CAN ANYONE SAY NINJA GAIDEN=XBOX EXCLUSIVE
BUT ANYWAYS DOA2 IS THE BEST LOOKING FIGHTER ON PS2 SO FAR. DIDN\'T KONAMI SAY THEY USED UP ALL THE PS2 POWER...Is this not the third or fourth time some developer has said they have tapped all the ps2 power:nerd: I am not saying if this statement is true or not it is kind of weird that developers keep saying this..
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Originally posted by Chrono
Ready for this?
I bet not
This segment taken from the Insider Q&A:
IGN Xbox: What advantage has the Xbox given you that no other console has given you?
Itagaki: The contents of DoA 3 could only be accomplished by the power of the Xbox. This isn\'t the reason for the exclusivity, but the Xbox has the power to achieve Dead or Alive 3. DoA 2 had taken advantage of the full power of the PS2. When you see other fighting games launched for the PS2, you\'ll understand the quality. After DoA 2, we had to create a truly new version, DoA 3, and we needed that kind of power. And that\'s the only reason.
Ok, now WTF is going on here?
Tecmo is now, IMO, without a doubt being paid by MS, and is now a MS puppet. I at first thought that They went to the xbox in an effort to stay away from the ps2 heat and fighting competition.. but now that they have said a flat out LIE ..
I have never seen such lie uttered from a 3rd party before. If they want to develop for the xbox, fine. But don\'t go around SPREADING LIES.. that’s very low, I lost all respect for this company. This is why I don\'t want MS in the industry, and anybody that does should not be a gamer.
Chrono I can understand that you believe what Tecmo said was a lie, and I can even understand your feelings that you don\'t want MS in the console business but your statement that suggests that anyone who happens to have an entirely different opinion than yours shouldn\'t be a gamer is a little elitist, don\'t you think?
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I have never seen such lie uttered from a 3rd party before. If they want to develop for the xbox, fine. But don\'t go around SPREADING LIES.. that’s very low, I lost all respect for this company. This is why I don\'t want MS in the industry, and anybody that does should not be a gamer.
Team Ninja said the same thing about DC, DOA2 maxing it out, so does that mean that they were being payed by Sony to say that since they were making DOA2 for PS2 at the time?
Sony lied about the power of PS2, so does that mean they shouldn\'t be in the industry. Same with Nintendo, they lied about the power of the N64. Sony and Nintendo have a history of bullying other companies, Sony with retailers and Nintendo with publishers.
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Wow.
TTT looks 2x better than DOA2, tecmo must be talking out of their ass.
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Originally posted by inteq
Is DOA2 taking advantage of all the power of PS2? Probably not, but we won\'t know until a better looking fighting game comes out for it.
No matter how talented Tecmo is, it\'s impossible for them to know whether future dev\'s will surpass DOA2, which was completed so early in the PS2\'s life cycle.
I didn\'t believe Team Ninja when they said that about DC, but now that the game has been out for a year and it is still one of the systems best looking games I\'m starting to believe them.
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That\'s probably because not many games were released this past year for the DC.
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Originally posted by SuupaBuu
Wow.
TTT looks 2x better than DOA2, tecmo must be talking out of their ass.
I wouldn\'t go that far. DOA2:HC was a beautiful game, and was easily on the same level as TTT graphically.
This statement by Tecmo is so stupid. Does DOA2:HC even compare with GT3 or MGS2 Demo? Does it compare with what we\'ve seen of Baldur\'s Gate or Devil May Cry? I agree with you Chrono. Tecmo is a c ocky group of people who think they are video game hardware gods. I wonder what they\'ll do in a couple years when the PS2 is blowing anything they make on the Xbox out of the water (IMO. Don\'t bother commenting on that last sentence, because it is just my oppinion :))
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Originally posted by QuDDus
CAN ANYONE SAY NINJA GAIDEN=XBOX EXCLUSIVE
I rember about a month ago, they had a poll up on the Ninja Gaiden website. The poll was on where the Next Ninja Gaiden should go
DC=9%
PS2=23%
XBox=11%
NGC=46%
There was something like 13,000 voters if I remember right.
That was the poll numbers for awhile back, I\'ll go check them back out again.
2nd Part:
Well I went back and checked, the poll wasn\'t there anymore. But these are the numbers as of July 9th 2001
PlayStation 2 (10460) 22%
GameCube (28421) 60%
X-box (5670) 12%
Game Boy Advance (2311) 4%
Total: 46862 votes
Seems I put the DC in the GBA slot, oh well.
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Is DOA2 taking advantage of all the power of PS2? Probably not, but we won\'t know until a better looking fighting game comes out for it.
Tekken 4 and Virtua Fighter 4. \'Nuff said. Tecmo is just full of themselves right now thanks to multiple XB fans using DOA3 as major cannon fodder for the graphics arguement. DOA is one of the most mediocre fighting franchises to date in terms of gameplay. What has the game had going for it besides graphics? Has it ever sold as much as Tekken or VF? Never. However, since it is critically acclaimed for graphics, it has suddenly become a AAA title in people\'s minds, that is just not the case and I can\'t understand why people think differently. Hey, prove me wrong though, I\'m open for a debate.
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I\'d Prove you were wrong if you weren\'t right:)
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Tecmo= ***** ******* **** **** ** ****... oh never mind..
Ive lost ALL respect for that company..
They are even lower than 3DO( :eek: ) on my list.
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IMO TECMO used 25 percent of the PS2 power doing DOA2-HC.
That is just a number, i looked at the graphics, and they are not that cool as they seemed to me at launch time.... I guess better looking things came out in the mean time...
PR bul!**** IMO. :D
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Originally posted by JediMaster
I rember about a month ago, they had a poll up on the Ninja Gaiden website. The poll was on where the Next Ninja Gaiden should go
DC=9%
PS2=23%
XBox=11%
NGC=46%
There was something like 13,000 voters if I remember right.
That was the poll numbers for awhile back, I\'ll go check them back out again.
2nd Part:
Well I went back and checked, the poll wasn\'t there anymore. But these are the numbers as of July 9th 2001
PlayStation 2 (10460) 22%
GameCube (28421) 60%
X-box (5670) 12%
Game Boy Advance (2311) 4%
Total: 46862 votes
Seems I put the DC in the GBA slot, oh well.
lol...:laughing: :laughing: your actually using a poll to try and back you up on something...lol....lol..polls mean nothing. If you listen to Techmo while back they said they want to make ninja gaiden on the best system that can do what they want to do with the game... and seeing how they are saying they used up all the power they can do with ps2 it is more likely Ninja GAiden will be xbox exclusive as well. From there comments looks like ms has fatten there pockets so that is why I said NINJA GAIDEN IS XBOX exclusive....you can\'t possibly try and go buy a poll....lol..too funny
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Oh my god, a company lies? Who would of figured? :rolleyes: Do you honestly think Tecmo is the first company to lie and use hype? I would hope not. Sony themselves lied with the PS2 and its "toy story" graphics. Sure, it is cheap and annoying for a company to do so - but it really is common place in this industry.
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Tekken 4 and Virtua Fighter 4. \'Nuff said
Since when have Tekken 4 and VF4 been released for PS2, or even screenshots of the PS2 versions been released? The screens seen of VF4 are from the Naomi2 arcade board, and the Tekken 4 shots are off of the PS2 arcade board, which has more ram than PS2.
That\'s probably because not many games were released this past year for the DC.
Not very many games were released for DC in the past year? You\'ve got to be kidding, there were a ton of games released in the past year for DC.
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This poll is before Microsoft "bought them" 12% though only want it on XBox, they would be utterly a dumbass if they put it on one console, they would probably triple it sales if it went to GC. I remember a LucasArts.com poll said that 3% of the polled people said they wanted StarFighter2 on the XBox and like 9% for Obi Wan. Rogue Leader had 50-70% of the votes. Sure, polls have a margin of error, but a 50% differenence is quite something big. Its not like a close poll of 20% and 24% i mean, we are talking 12% to 60%.
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So with a stupid statement, Tecmo has lost your respect?
Hey, Altered, the resident Double Standard finder, where you at???
Guess I\'ll have to fill in...
So how much respect have you lost for EA, Working Designs, Sony, etc?
Companies who have made retarded statements.
So how many of you are never gonna buy their games again? Getting ready to trade your PS2 in for a GameCube? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by inteq
Not very many games were released for DC in the past year? You\'ve got to be kidding, there were a ton of games released in the past year for DC.
Hmm, you\'re right. I thought games would be in short supply for a dying system. But if Tecmo did say the same thing about the DC, they were completely wrong. After browsing through some screens, Soul Caliber, the only other third-party 3D fighter that I can recall, easily ousts DOA2 in graphical comparison.
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Originally posted by Ashford
So with a stupid statement, Tecmo has lost your respect?
Hey, Altered, the resident Double Standard finder, where you at???
Guess I\'ll have to fill in...
So how much respect have you lost for EA, Working Designs, Sony, etc?
Companies who have made retarded statements.
So how many of you are never gonna buy their games again? Getting ready to trade your PS2 in for a GameCube? :rolleyes:
I have respect for the games that dev\'s make. I\'ve never held much respect to what they say, because there is no descency in buisness. Just because I buy these companies\' games doesn\'t mean I have to like them.
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One line can discredit an entire statement. With that in mind:
"DoA 2 had taken advantage of the full power of the PS2."
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
I needed a good laugh! If that\'s true then I\'m Shirley Temple! (And I\'m not.)
The rest could be true, but now I\'d have to hear it from a more "reliable" source.
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"Just because I buy these companies\' games doesn\'t mean I have to like them." - Hyper
Tru dat, I may not like what they do, but dang, I have to play that game! I play the games and make my on decisions as to what is better. While statements like the one here is nice as a preview, it\'s the unbiased review I\'m interested in.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
This poll is before Microsoft "bought them" 12% though only want it on XBox, they would be utterly a dumbass if they put it on one console, they would probably triple it sales if it went to GC. I remember a LucasArts.com poll said that 3% of the polled people said they wanted StarFighter2 on the XBox and like 9% for Obi Wan. Rogue Leader had 50-70% of the votes. Sure, polls have a margin of error, but a 50% differenence is quite something big. Its not like a close poll of 20% and 24% i mean, we are talking 12% to 60%.
Can we please drop this whole "Microsoft bought them" thing? If that is the case - then Sony bought \'em when they said they pushed the DC to the max. Tecmo is just hyping up a game that will be a big seller . It is a typical industry move. Big deal . You guys act like this is the first time a developer has lied to the public.
As for the numerous Ninja Gaiden comments. Tecmo has not said on what platform that will appear on . I know some of you like to assume it is a gurantee that it will appear on the Xbox (and it may very well) because Microsoft "bought them", but that simply is not true. The very fact Tecmo took a poll on what the consumer would most likely to see - shows that Tecmo is not limited to the Xbox console.
By the way , if you are going to hate Tecmo for hyping up a game. Then by all means, start hating almost every other company that makes all these games and promises they will "push the system further then any other game and be a totally original expierence", aka 95% of the games released now\'a\'days.
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That is the biggest load of BS I\'ve ever heard from a developer. At the full power of ps2 he couldn\'t get it looking as good as the dc version? Temco are some lying trolls.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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I\'m sorry, but unless any of you work for Team Ninja, none of you should be making claims of what the PS2 can and can\'t do.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
I\'m sorry, but unless any of you work for Team Ninja, none of you should be making claims of what the PS2 can and can\'t do.
You really think doa2hardcore max out the ps2?!?!?! TTT looks better than it and that only using 1.5 mps. Mgs2, Gt3, FFX, dmc, silent hill2, and bouncer all those games look better than doa2hardcore. I\'m not saying doa2 doesn\'t look good but maxing out the ps2? Yeah right...... :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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>"Can we please drop this whole "Microsoft bought them" thing? If that is the case - then Sony bought \'em when they said they pushed the DC to the max."
So, in other words your agreeing that the ps2 is only slightly minutly more powerfull then the DC?
The statement made by Tecmo about the DC has more credbility then this total lie. DOA2 on the DC was one of the better looking DC games.. however, DOA2 on the ps2 was one of the systems worst looking games compared to the current standards. Sony would have never paid Tecmo to say something like that beacuse the game was not on their console at the time. (not to mention when it did come out, it only looked a tincy bit better) You would need to give me a reason Tecmo would say this in order for the obvious to not be belived.
>"Tecmo is just hyping up a game that will be a big seller . It is a typical industry move. Big deal . You guys act like this is the first time a developer has lied to the public."
Would you care to give me an example where a company has tottaly lied like that before in defamation of another console.
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Originally posted by Chrono
>"Can we please drop this whole "Microsoft bought them" thing? If that is the case - then Sony bought \'em when they said they pushed the DC to the max."
So, in other words your agreeing that the ps2 is only slightly minutly more powerfull then the DC?
The statement made by Tecmo about the DC has more credbility then this total lie. DOA2 on the DC was one of the better looking DC games.. however, DOA2 on the ps2 was one of the systems worst looking games compared to the current standards. Sony would have never paid Tecmo to say something like that beacuse the game was not on their console at the time. (not to mention when it did come out, it only looked a tincy bit better) You would need to give me a reason Tecmo would say this in order for the obvious to not be belived.
>"Tecmo is just hyping up a game that will be a big seller . It is a typical industry move. Big deal . You guys act like this is the first time a developer has lied to the public."
Would you care to give me an example where a company has tottaly lied like that before in defamation of another console.
No. I do not agree that the PS2 is just slightly more powerful then the DC. I am only saying that Tecmo also said they maxed out the DC when they was porting it over to the PS2. So, did Sony buy them out? No. This is a classic Tecmo line. It is a nice way to hype up a game.
Here is a big lie for you. See, if you can place these words, " toy story graphics ". Yes, that was the biggest lie of last year. Or maybe Rubin\'s comments about the Dreamcast being total crap? There is a direct insult towards another console. There is plenty others in the past.
I never once said Tecmo was not lying about this statement, I only said that alot of companies lie to hype the product of choice. However, if you are going to condem one company for lying about their product, then you must do it for the other. Something I don\'t think you are really willing to do, because if you done that then you would realize the industry is filled with lies.
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>"Here is a big lie for you. See, if you can place these words, " toy story graphics ".
Thats hyping up a console, much differnt then this case.. besides, we won\'t know if the console will provide that claim till the end. People seriously underesitmate the console.
>"Or maybe Rubin\'s comments about the Dreamcast being total crap? There is a direct insult towards another console."
Saying a console is crap, is much differnt from claiming you maxed out a console with your first game. Rubin had an opinon, he is entitled to it. But Tecmo has lied, they have not even come close to maxing out the ps2, yet they said they did.
>"There is plenty others in the past."
I would love to hear them
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Originally posted by Chrono
>"Here is a big lie for you. See, if you can place these words, " toy story graphics ".
Thats hyping up a console, much differnt then this case.. besides, we won\'t know if the console will provide that claim till the end. People seriously underesitmate the console.
>"Or maybe Rubin\'s comments about the Dreamcast being total crap? There is a direct insult towards another console."
Saying a console is crap, is much differnt from claiming you maxed out a console with your first game. Rubin had an opinon, he is entitled to it. But Tecmo has lied, they have not even come close to maxing out the ps2, yet they said they did.
>"There is plenty others in the past."
I would love to hear them
Okay, so hyping up a console is okay but hyping up a game isn\'t? Ah - okay. Its the same difference. Sony lied. You can keep saying that people under-estimate the console but lets face it. We will not see toy story graphics on the PS2 in a game. It just isn\'t going to happen .
I\'m sure if Tecmo produced a game for the Xbox and then turned around and produced the sequel for the PS2 and said they maxed out the Xbox - you\'d have no problem with it. You are way to worried about what is goin\' on over on the Xbox side of things and tryin\' to find a way to discredit every developer that developers for MS. You can whine about the developers of OddWorld being "whiney" and how Tecmo is liars. Anything you want. In the end it doesn\'t matter. If the game is solid, who cares if the developers lied about a certain other system? I don\'t . I only care if the game is solid - which in my humble opinion the DOA series has never been.
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>"Okay, so hyping up a console is okay but hyping up a game isn\'t? Ah - okay. Its the same difference. Sony lied. You can keep saying that people under-estimate the console but lets face it. We will not see toy story graphics on the PS2 in a game. It just isn\'t going to happen ."
Thats your opinon,
have you ever developed ps2 games?
Have you seen the games at e3?
Have you see FFX in person?
FFX is a 2nd generation game, and is getting much closer to "toy story" type graphics.
Time will tell if by the end of the ps2 generation if it is achived, but you discredit the ps2\'s power tottaly. Your opinion is not fact, like you want everybody to belive.
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Originally posted by Chrono
>"Okay, so hyping up a console is okay but hyping up a game isn\'t? Ah - okay. Its the same difference. Sony lied. You can keep saying that people under-estimate the console but lets face it. We will not see toy story graphics on the PS2 in a game. It just isn\'t going to happen ."
Thats your opinon,
have you ever developed ps2 games?
Have you seen the games at e3?
Have you see FFX in person?
FFX is a 2nd generation game, and is getting much closer to "toy story" type graphics.
Time will tell if by the end of the ps2 generation if it is achived, but you discredit the ps2\'s power tottaly. Your opinion is not fact, like you want everybody to belive.
1: No, I haven\'t developed a PS2 game. Have you? Nope. Tecmo has though. Gee...:rolleyes:
2: No, I didn\'t go to E3.
3: Not in person. It is nowhere near toy story graphics. If you want to believe that though, go ahead. The closest towards Toy Story graphics has been Lugi\'s Mansion and that isn\'t exactly a PS2 game, now is it?
I discredit the PS2 power? Not quite. It can and does produce some wonderful games. However they are not near toy story quality and I doubt they ever will be. Polyphony (sp?) said themselves they pushed the PS2 to the max. If that is true, then it is nowhere near toy story graphics. If that is not true, then they lied. You take your choice.
As for my opinion not being fact. I\'m totally aware of that. Nor is yours. On the other hand, I don\'t sit and worry about MS constantly. I don\'t worry about that "backlash" nor do I worry about this place turning into "xbox central". If you wasn\'t so paranoid, then maybe you could just enjoy each system when they are out. Instead of worrying about which developer is lying about the PS2 or Microsoft buying everyone out.
:rolleyes:
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You must remember one thing,
saying "toy story graphics" is a very touchy thing
that is just one STYLE
what exactly someone means by that can be totally assumed only
Anyway,
I have to shoot down your statement,
you underestimate how much I know
>"Polyphony (sp?) said themselves they pushed the PS2 to the max."
You are reading what you want into the statement, while ignoring the question.
The original comment came from PSM,
It stated:
"PSM: The moment Gran Turismo is released people will start talking about GT 4. Do you think you\'ve come so close to perfecting the simulation that you want to go in a new direction and try something else?
KY: I have done almost everything I can do on PS2. I have used almost all of the performance that PS2 can provide. For fututre Gran Turismo games I would like to change a little bit of playability, for instance, allowing GT3 to become network enabled."
Kazunori Yamauchi was asked about perfecting the simulation. Graphics were not mentioned by either the question or the answer. The comment "I have used almost all of the performance that PS2 can provide" is open to many interepretations. Most likely he was talking about the simulation aspect beacuse thats what topic was posed, not graphics. He also mentioned GT3 network, which is also gameplay/simulation related.
You also gotta remember, Yamauchi would have loved to spend more time on GT3.. look at the Gamespot interview they had with the team.. they have clearly stated that the thing they were disappointed the most was that they had to release the product.. but at the same time.. finding new things on the ps2.
EDIT:
As I recall, this came from the official Australian Magazine..
if your talking about a differnt one please say so.
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So the President of Nintendo worked on GT3? Well wadda ya know;)
:D
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Point taken, Chrono. However, they did promise an AI that was vengeful. They promised volumtric fog. Tracks with actual rain,etc. These are just examples of a company lying about a product. Am I complaining about it? No. Why? Because the overall product was still fun and it is just a game.
You seriously waste to much time hating a company and not just enjoying games. You don\'t have to like Tecmo or love their buisness style. If you enjoy the game though, that is all that matters.
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Gees people get over the evilness of the world, it\'s not just software companies that pull tricks like that.
I agree with living-in-clip, just enjoy the games these companies give you and don\'t give a fu*k about anything else they say or do, I know I don\'t.
A few other points, TTT looking better than DOA2, you need to sit closer to the screen my friend.
Also I\'m sure Pixar threw out their renderfarm the day Sony announced Toy Story was possible on the PS2.
I\'m sure the people that come out with these....erm, statements aren\'t the same geezers working their ass off to make a quality game.
The only company I\'m a little pissed at is Sony,
A, for producing the most mediocre, overpriced, bad-warrantied, expensive to repair piece of electrical equipment I have ever had the misfortune to use.
B, making a total balls up of the launch.
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Ashford! i leave for one day and you think you can fill my shoes? :)
Really though, that\'s why I love my Sega. I remembering them SEVERELY underhyping the DC\'s power. This happens while
Sony goes around and says "PS2 will have Toy Story quality graphics.
EA - "Dreamast will bomb without us" (10 million consoles is not bombing).
Sega "Dreamcast can push 3 to 4 million polygons." (liars! I saw 5 mill. in TD:LM! Take it back!)
Tecmo "We maxed out the DC with DOA2 (Shenmue or ShenmueII, nuff said)
George Lucas "PS2 is an amazing piece of hardware."
it goes on and on and on and on. I just sit back, and appreciate where my loyalites lie. You guys NEED to get some lives and quit hassling a company every time their PR says something overly good about another system. It is all junk they spew.
Eric Jacob
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I find this thread amusing.
Its only DOA3 :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:
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Yeah, I know. The DOA games are crap anyways what are we all arguing about? the new Ninja Gaiden will be the Tecmo title to look for, unless they bring back Tecmo Super Bowl :)
If you want a real 3D fighter, get a Saturn, and get Virtua Fighter 2. Or buy some goofy blue and red glasses and play Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike. Same effect.
Eric Jacob
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This way Bill Gates has got all the money. Mr. Gates loves monopoly and now he will begin to buy companies.
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I still think Tecmo lies.
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The bottom line is: Most companies spew BS in order to fool the average gamer, who is an idiot.
Especially Sony, Microsoft, EA, Working Designs, etc.
Where do you stand?
If you believe all this crap, then come to New York. There\'s a nice bridge I\'d like to sell you. Cheap.
:nut:
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Originally posted by Ashford
The bottom line is: Most companies spew BS in order to fool the average gamer, who is an idiot.
Especially Sony, Microsoft, EA, Working Designs, etc.
Where do you stand?
If you believe all this crap, then come to New York. There\'s a nice bridge I\'d like to sell you. Cheap.
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Oh! I always wanted a bridge of my very own!
Last night there was a news special called "Hype," and gawd, if they didn\'t hype up the show hype then I don\'t know the meaning of hype. But I do know the meaning of hype because I see so much hype for everything now-a-days and hype has become a second nature to all those hype-dishing advertisers.
It\'s all part of a game I like to call "stupid people spend money." Hype began with the traveling circus and the Snake-oil salesman. Without hype we wouldn\'t have any of those k.a. commercials and such. Hype has turned into entertainment. See how it\'s got us all going?
Nothing is ever as advertised, deal with it.
And about maxing out the PS2. I think at this very point and time it could be true. But as soon as a new dev kit comes out, or some guru finds a hidden resource, BAM! newer, better looking games.
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Originally posted by Adan
This way Bill Gates has got all the money. Mr. Gates loves monopoly and now he will begin to buy companies.
Has he bought Tecmo? NO! MS does not and will not ever have a monoply on the gaming industry . Don\'t sit and whine that he is tryin\' to buy companies out, because he has bought very few. And those was needed! You need 2nd party developers. Sony has bought developers also. It is part of the buisness.
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How does claiming that DOA2:HC maxed out the PS2 help themselves or Sony? Tecmo\'s Team Ninja says "DOA3 could only be done on XBox" or fine..that helps boost potential Xbox sales among DOA fans. But putting down DOA2:HC..what the HELL does that serve?
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fter browsing through some screens, Soul Caliber, the only other third-party 3D fighter that I can recall, easily ousts DOA2 in graphical comparison.
I have both and can assure you that DOA2 looks a lot better than SC. The bgs in SC can\'t compare to the bgs in DOA2.
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i was brought to attention of this thread from another board
so i thought i\'d give a bit of my thought
First of all, reading that interview made me thought Tecmo is full of **** as well. But after thinking a bit, here\'s something fishy
1. I\'ve never heard of such Nsider interview except 1 (which is available for public viewing now)
2. nobody who replied to this thread seems to have seen the interview either
3. you\'d think a Nsider interview you could find in the archives
http://insider.ign.com/article_2001_04.html
the only tecmo/xboxign interview i can find is the one in may "Interview With Team Ninja Leader Tomonobu Itagaki"
which can be viewed publicly here
http://xbox.ign.com/news/35116.html
4. most IGN interviews end up on normal IGN
kinda makes you wonder who the real liar is huh?
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Wow! Good detective work!
welcome to the forum. I have a feeling you will fit in rather nicely :)
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by raslant
You really think doa2hardcore max out the ps2?!?!?! TTT looks better than it and that only using 1.5 mps.
TTT looking better than DOA2:HC? Not using my eyes. DOA2:HC is probably the best fighting game ever made IMO and the best looking without question. 5 stars all the way.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
TTT looking better than DOA2:HC? Not using my eyes. DOA2:HC is probably the best fighting game ever made IMO and the best looking without question. 5 stars all the way.
DOA2:HC looked great, but so did TTT. DOA2:HC was animated better and looked a lot more fluid. But TTT had better lighting effects (The sun on the beach level is the best sun I\'ve seen in a game), detailed characters, and nice looking levels that matched the graphical quality of DOA2 characters and levels.
BTW, IMO, DOA is one of the worst fighting game series ever made. :) I hate how it is all about countering. In Tekken, we hate the turtlers. (People who play completely defensive and just "hide" the whole time) In DOA, it\'s a good thing to be a turtle. :) The counters take off way too much in DOA2:HC. If they took off about half of what they take off now, it would make the game better IMO.
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You can turn down the counter damage in the options.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
You can turn down the counter damage in the options.
I don\'t think you can. You can turn up the total player health (which I did), but you cannot make counters take off less damage.
And it doesn\'t matter anymore anyways. Tekken 4 is coming out next week (the 15th), and I have a lot of practicing to do before I go back to the arcades. :)
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Arcades are a sad place these days. At least in my areas. There\'s nothing I want to play. It\'s like I walk in, look around, and want to go home and play.
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TTT looks alot better than DOA2:HC. Maybe if they fixed up the jaggies it would look better.
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Originally posted by SuupaBuu
TTT looks alot better than DOA2:HC. Maybe if they fixed up the jaggies it would look better.
Jaggies in DOA2:HC? Am I the only one who can\'t find any jaggies in DOA2:HC? :) Maybe I\'m just not looking hard enough. DOA2:HC graphically is a beautiful game, but the gameplay needs some work IMO.
EmperorRob, I haven\'t been to an arcade since I got my PS2 and TTT. For the past year there really hasn\'t been anything new or worth going to an arcade for. Now, we get Tekken 4, Virtua Fighter 4, and Capcom vs SNK 2. That\'s more than enough to get me to go to an arcade. :)
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Well, after all of that
We all agreed on one thing...
While DOA may look pretty, thats all it is
Gameplay is needed with graphics, and DOA does not have much.. if any
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there was no interview was there chrono?
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Originally posted by IronFist
BTW, IMO, DOA is one of the worst fighting game series ever made. :) I hate how it is all about countering. In Tekken, we hate the turtlers. (People who play completely defensive and just "hide" the whole time) In DOA, it\'s a good thing to be a turtle. :) The counters take off way too much in DOA2:HC. If they took off about half of what they take off now, it would make the game better IMO.
thank you, thats exactly what i wanted to say
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Originally posted by Chrono
Well, after all of that
We all agreed on one thing...
While DOA may look pretty, thats all it is
Gameplay is needed with graphics, and DOA does not have much.. if any
No I don\'t agree. I see DOA2:HC as the best fighting engine to date.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
No I don\'t agree. I see DOA2:HC as the best fighting engine to date.
Well there is not reason to argue about it -- to each man his own, right? I am very interested in DOA3 even though I did not like DOA2:HC as much as TTT. The background interactivity was amazing in DOA2, and it can only get better in DOA3. :)
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Originally posted by QuDDus
CAN ANYONE SAY NINJA GAIDEN=XBOX EXCLUSIVE
BUT ANYWAYS DOA2 IS THE BEST LOOKING FIGHTER ON PS2 SO FAR. DIDN\'T KONAMI SAY THEY USED UP ALL THE PS2 POWER...Is this not the third or fourth time some developer has said they have tapped all the ps2 power:nerd: I am not saying if this statement is true or not it is kind of weird that developers keep saying this..
Ok, your just sad.. They meant GAMEPLAY power (discluding the doa2 fiasco) I mean not everyone like you just go on about graphical power.. They meant that they can\'t do much new things, only way to go is online really...
And about the topic, I\'m finding it hard to believe that they can\'t do anything more with the ps2, REMEMBER Emotion Engine is complex... it\'s just that your crappy developers tecmo..
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>"there was no interview was there chrono?"
Yes there was, where did you get that idea?
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well i already posted the reasons why i think there was never a interview on the first post of this page
but i\'ll just copy and paste for you
First of all, reading that interview made me thought Tecmo is full of **** as well. But after thinking a bit, here\'s something fishy
1. I\'ve never heard of such Nsider interview except 1 (which is available for public viewing now)
2. nobody who replied to this thread seems to have seen the interview either
3. you\'d think a Nsider interview you could find in the archives
http://insider.ign.com/article_2001_04.html
the only tecmo/xboxign interview i can find is the one in may "Interview With Team Ninja Leader Tomonobu Itagaki"
which can be viewed publicly here
http://xbox.ign.com/news/35116.html
4. most IGN interviews end up on normal IGN
maybe perhaps you\'d like to find me the interview in the IGN insiders archive?
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Listen to what Peter Main of nintendo said about microsofts financial strategy.That should explain why they would say that. Go here http://cube.ign.com/news/36306.html
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Microsoft pays game developers for games with no strings attached. Game developers would port for other system with that money.
So?
Does that mean Tecmo is allowed to port DOA3 to other systems if they can? Well in that case, obviously they can\'t, since they announced it\'s an exclusive.
what you have done, is only further proof that DOA3 can be only ran on the Xbox.
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Originally posted by SomeGuy
Does that mean Tecmo is allowed to port DOA3 to other systems if they can? Well in that case, obviously they can\'t, since they announced it\'s an exclusive.
DOA2 was an exclusive to the Dreamcast, and look what happened with that. Tecmo claiming it is an Xbox exclusive means nothing right now. If the Xbox doesn\'t sell as well as they are hoping for, I\'m sure they will port DOA3 over to the PS2 to get more sales.
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actually no tecmo says DOA3 is exclusive, and they also said that DOA3 can only be done on the Xbox and refuses to downgrade the game to port to other systems.
Something the DC didn\'t have.
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TTT is more colorful too. DOA2 model got those ugly joints in thre wrist which they have to fix in DOA3. Oh yeah TTT does look better than doa2hardcore.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: