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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Bobs_Hardware on August 10, 2001, 07:00:37 PM
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i dont know if its been done before or not...so...anyhoo...
why do you think FF:TSW flopped? It had a lot of hype, a lot of people talking, and something people had never seen before, and wanted to see. Reviews werent sparkling, but they werent bad. So why did it flop. I believe the name.
Lets face it...the movie is NOT a final fantasy. Its a movie, made by Square, with the name Final Fantasy tacked on, for instant recognition, and a guaranteed success...or so they thought
By naming it Final Fantasy they have pretty much eliminated the majority of film goers. They can easily label it as another game - movie conversion that they shouldnt waste their time seeing. Effectively, by naming it Final Fantasy they lost any chance of non-videogaming fans from seeing it. It doesnt have the big breasts and the traditional action that exists in Tomb Raider...
So many people who would have wanted to see it (posssibly soley because of the computer generated visual feast that it is) have been saying things like "Well, i suppose you\'d like it if you were a fan of the game" unknowing that it is not based on any of the games, nor is it even like any of the games. Without a learned friend to tell them otherwise, they wont waste their time seeing it, instead, going and watching something else.
well...damn, i gotta run, and didnt get to finish my post...tell me what you guys think, and if you have any other thoguhts on FF flopping
oh, and an original script would have helped too (watch Aliens & Starship Troopers (HUGE Aliens rip off :() and other sci-fi action movies, and you\'ll see some resemblence)
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Right you are Bob, they should have given the movie its own name. What does the movie have to do with the game? Obviously this was a mismanaged project.
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I think it had something to do with the fact that animated movies normally don\'t do tremendously well in theaters.. and it was a SCI-FI movie. Shrek was advertised as a movie with big name voices.. Final Fantasy was not.
However
1.) Final Fantasy will do great in japan when its released there shortly
2.) DVD sales will be decent, which is why it will be on DVD in OCT. People see this as a showcase title, the curious people will wanna see whats going on.. you should be surprised at the DVD sales
3.) Alot of the budget went towards the building of a new studio. The next movie will be much cheaper to produce. Even if the movie did not do well, think of it as a Giant portfolio.. Square has proven they can animate well.
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James Woods is a pretty big name. And so is Alec Baldwin. Steve Buscemi is so-so.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
James Woods is a pretty big name. And so is Alec Baldwin. Steve Buscemi is so-so.
While you\'re right Rob, they are big names, you don\'t see the point, what Chrono was meaning is that they didn\'t hype the names up as shrek did, i remember they said the actors names on the commercials.
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- The story was terrible.
- For the most part animated sci-fi flicks don\'t do well. Titan A.E being an example.
- The actors who done the voice-acting was not really hyped. If they would of hyped that more, it would of easily drew at least alittle more.
It was a failure, just like I figured. Still, I have talked to people who hated the movie and still plan on buying the DVD. Why? Because it was eyecandy. I don\'t quite understand it, but hey, that alone goes to show that the DVD sells stand a chance.
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>"For the most part animated sci-fi flicks don\'t do well. Titan A.E being an example."
Thank you for the great example
Titan AE has had awsome DVD sales,
I expect FF to do the same...
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I remember going to see Star Wars: TPM and seeing the preivews of Titan AE, I was in awe.......But then it went to an animation design, it turned out pretty good though (Planet Bob;)) Also there were so many more movies out that were better than it at the time.
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Well, it still hasn\'t hit the finnish theaters - but it will, 24th of this month. And I will go and see it - instantly - with many of my friends.
I don\'t mind what critics say, I don\'t mind if it flopped in America, I\'ll go and probably enjoy the movie and probably buy it out on DVD when the DVD comes out ;)
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Originally posted by Darth Joyda
Well, it still hasn\'t hit the finnish theaters - but it will, 24th of this month. And I will go and see it - instantly - with many of my friends.
I don\'t mind what critics say, I don\'t mind if it flopped in America, I\'ll go and probably enjoy the movie and probably buy it out on DVD when the DVD comes out ;)
Yeah i am going to see it today in the UK.
i think it\'s very WRONG to consider it a FLOP just because it Done "baddly" in the US, it dose not mean that it will bethe Same in the rest of the world.
After all Didn\'t you yanks love Pearl Harbour even though it was the WORST FILM ever COMMITED to FILM :laughing:
And boy did that film "BOMB" it in Europe and Japan :laughing:.
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Originally posted by eNeMyTooTH
While you\'re right Rob, they are big names, you don\'t see the point, what Chrono was meaning is that they didn\'t hype the names up as shrek did, i remember they said the actors names on the commercials.
You know what? I\'m glad they didn\'t. An animated movie shouldn\'t be about who\'s doing the voice acting. It should be about the story. That\'s like saying "come eat at Burger King b/c we have pokemon." The movie should stand on its own.
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Originally posted by ooseven
Yeah i am going to see it today in the UK.
i think it\'s very WRONG to consider it a FLOP just because it Done "baddly" in the US, it dose not mean that it will bethe Same in the rest of the world.
After all Didn\'t you yanks love Pearl Harbour even though it was the WORST FILM ever COMMITED to FILM :laughing:
And boy did that film "BOMB" it in Europe and Japan :laughing:.
Well if you bring a movie over too america the highest market in the world and it only makes a measly 27million dollars out of 120million which it took to make. And america is the biggest movie market in the world. And it does not matter what a movie does anywhere else.
I think they should have did a real FF Movie with real characters and special effects. That would have rocked
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well i think it just needed more hype
i mean if you think about it no one besides gamers knew what was going on with the movie
also the animation of the characters was too lame when it came to the voices - IOW the facial expressions were lacking making the acting so to speak less enjoyable
also people recongnize those actors for their work but most dont know what their names are just what they look like so when they see a character in a movie and dont see the actor some people dont put two and two together - well i am saying they should have hyped the voice actors
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I still wanna see it though.............:D :D
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:mad: i agree ff spirits within sucked, the graphics were impressive , but it had nothing at all to do with any of the games, cause it was a science fiction those usually end messed up.
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Well, from what I heard, while it didn\'t have magic, the theme of life and death, Cid, and an appearance of Chicobo (in a poster I think) are connected to the games (which BTW, none of the games really connect with each other in the first place except for the things I\'ve listed). Now, you may not haven\'t chosen these things if you made the FF movie, but they are the themes that connect the movie to the games.
Now, why did it fail. This is all from what I heard since I haven\'t seen the movie myself. It was hyped to be most realistic CGI movie (which it is), the problem, its still CGI. So, how can you take the charecter\'s seriously if the "actors" don\'t look quite right (afterall, unlike Shrek or Toy Story, FF: TSW is trying to be more then a simple animated movie [in Shrek, they even had to tone down the detail in Princess Fiona to fit with the rest of the movie]). Also, the acting itself. Someone mentioned the voice acting didn\'t look right, that didn\'t help people take them seriously either. From the movie critics (and to some that saw the movie), right when the movie got "emotional", its also where it failed. Also, the somewhat weak convuluted story. The pace didn\'t excite some people. Heard people were even sleeping during the movie.
Also, adult animation, just doesn\'t do well here in the states (maybe in VHS and DVD sales, buts thats about it) primarily thanks to Disney and its nearly monopoly in animated movies (until Dreamworks Shrek, maybe even as far back as Antz and Prince of Egypt, the idea, if it isn\'t Disney, then it probably isn\'t good). So, until Squaresoft or another company (even Disney to an extent now, Atlantis for them could be a stepping stone to "grow" up animation) changes that mentality, adult animation will have a hard time taking a hold in the US market. No matter how realistic the animation is.
While I had high hopes for this movie to succeed, all well, hope it does well in Japan, Europe, and on DVD (which I will probably get). Still, this isn\'t a one time thing for Square. Heard they are already working on future FF movies, and the digital actors career have just begun. So to speak. ;)
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Well if you bring a movie over too america the highest market in the world and it only makes a measly 27million dollars out of 120million which it took to make. And america is the biggest movie market in the world. And it does not matter what a movie does anywhere else.
I think they should have did a real FF Movie with real characters and special effects. That would have rocked
Sorry to say it but i have just watched the film with Miss moneny Penny (and anyone how calls me a SONY FANBOY for saying that can kindly go and F*** themselfs).
And we think is was Superb, infact i was hard pushed to see why it did\'t do well in the US
But then again you lot did like Pearl Harbour :laughing:
It has to be one of the only movies to "Touch" me, by the end of it both me and My Dear Wife to be where nealy in Tears.
By was it some ride with action, love, Life and death all rolled into one.
i was a wee bit doutful about it seeing that it was a Final Fantasy "product" with voice acting but this only added to the emostion of the whole film.
If you ask me Square Pictures should just forget releasing the next film in the US and have it over here in Europe first........
ooseven marks out of 10
9 out of 10
it lost one mark because i bet Miss Moneypenny that there would be summons in it and she won.
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Here\'s one videogame movie I won\'t see along with Pitfall, Crazy Taxi, and maybe Duke Nukem.