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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: IronFist on August 14, 2001, 10:37:54 PM
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If you have been going to any Tekken forums on the net (Tekken Zaibatsu, Tekkencentral, Namcoarcade), you probably have heard this bad news. If not, brace yourselves. This will probably hurt a little.
Here is a brief summary of what this is all about. People around the world hate Tekken 4. They think it\'s all about poking, and it isn\'t fun anymore. It has too many flaws to even be fun.
This is where this bad news all started. A few days ago, Tekkencentral posted this:Interesting note: most of the top koreans are thinking of quitting TK4. Park Suyong quit already and is back to broodwars. Jang might quit soon (he wrote "even though i get winning streaks, game is no fun"), gijae is going to quit. They all don\'t like the fact that in TK4, "50% luck, no skill." Even beginner can beat top player. DigitaLee told me that the top japanese players think the same way.
Of course this lead to a huge debate over at TekkenZaibatsu. Hundreds and hundreds of posts saying, "Those whiners! They just can\'t accept that they have to learn new things and that their overpowering Mashima tactics don\'t work anymore."
At first, I agreed with the people at TZ. Those people in Korea really are whiners, right? They just can\'t accept that they have to learn new strategies. I thought that for a while until I heard other people\'s first hand impressions of Tekken 4.
There are 2 huge problems with Tekken 4. One problem is that 1,2 is way too fast and has way too high priority. It is very hard to beat anyone who just taps 1,2 over and over. Second problem (Bob, you are going to love this! :)), Paul is now the cheapest person in Tekken. His new d+1+2 move has way too high priority. It hits mid, and knocks you back whether you block or not. So if Paul is in the corner, he just has to do this move to get out. He is also one of the people who have insanely fast punches. But wait, it gets better. His d+1 now hits downed apponents! (Nooooooo!!!) For those of you who have played against an aggresive Paul, you know how bad this sucks. Also, his d+4 sweeps very easily. Everything I have ever hated about Paul is now even worse, and he got a few new cheap moves as well.
I can\'t say too much more, because I haven\'t played it yet. This is what some other people said about Tekken 4, the 1,2 punches, and Paul. (again, brace yourselves. This will hurt if you are a Tekken fan)
Originally posted by Tic:
Ok I donnow if I\'m the only person to reply here who has played T4, but I\'ll be the first to say that 1,2 DOES have ridiculous priority. The Paul player I was playing (BryanFury on TZ) basically would get as close as he could before the round started and would right away do 1,2, 4, or d+1,2. All of those moves are completely safe. And I spent three whole matches trying to find a basic way around 1,2, and I couldn\'t. I\'d duck and interrupt with d+1, but that pushes them back out far enough to the point that d+1 or d/f+1 will hit you again. I would then try and sidestep around anything, but it all tracked me in both directions. I kept trying to backdash, but d+1,2 advances far enough to at least make me block. So then I would 1,2 back and I had a fighting chance, but Paul\'s priority with his other moves was just too good. d+1+2 hits mid, has virtually no recovery time, pushes out far on block, sends the opponent flying on hit, and tracks well. So basically the match came down to whoever could 1,2 the fastest just like DUK2000 said.
Now will this change? Probably not. In TTT, there were strings that seemed cheap at first, but in the back of your head you knew there were easy ways around it that just had to be found. But now in T4 with the seemingly bigger size of the characters, I don\'t see any easy way around it yet.
Now of course, this is only the second week Tekken 4 has been out in Chicago. But people who go there often are still playing the game like this, and it\'s really starting to make me think. The matches just turn into guessing games of 1,2 and d+1,2. Most of the juggles from TTT don\'t even work anymore, and the ones that do don\'t take off as much damage. You\'d be much better off just mixing up between d/f+4,4 and 1,2 with Kazuya.
Oh yeah and b+3,1,4,1 is so fast...people will say "oh no problem I\'ll just parry the third hit" but the third hit comes out so fast you won\'t even know that the combo started. That **** should definitely, and will definitely, be abused. CD+3 looks just like Liu Kang\'s f,f+HK. It hits high but it\'s blindingly fast.
It\'s true that you would think Namco couldn\'t screw up on something as simple as 1,2, but they did. The whole deal with the walls got messed up as well...if you come at the walls at somewhat of an angle everything gets messed up. Some characters like Paul can do insane wall combos while others can bust out 1 or 2 moves before you can recover.
T4 just doesn\'t seem like my cup of tea yet.
Again, posted by Tic.
But not only do most TTT juggles not work, but the whole juggling system has been weakened. Characters fall faster and don\'t go as high up. This obviously means juggles have been toned down, and of course 1,2 has been toned up. So chances are it will turn into a jab carnival.
In my first and second matches I was mashing buttons with Hwoarang cause nothing was working and I won. 1,2, 1,1, d/f+1, d/f+2, d+1, ws+4,4 and all that was working far better than before. None of his RFF stuff was working well since it\'s all slow and 1,2 or Paul\'s d+1,2 would stop it. But then I settled down and played conventionally but got my ass kicked. Maybe there will be a new style that can be used found in the future to get around this poking crap, but it could take a while.
by SauerChoke
After finally playing against a super-aggressive player yesterday, I can sadly confirm what the Koreans are *****ing about. 1~2 had MAD priority, as far as I could see, NO WS move will interrupt sequential 1~2, even throws have a hard time. The only way to hang with an aggressive Law or Paul is to either:
a. Pick Law/Paul/Steve and do the same
b. Sidestep ... which requires really good timing, and good stix (the latter of which, unfortunately were not present at yesterday\'s session).
This game is looking worse every time I play it... As some ppl have said on this board: If I wanted to play DOA2 or VF3, I wouldn\'t be standing in front of a T4 machine.
I\'ll give T4 a couple more weeks, but it ain\'t looking too good so far.
This ones for you Bob. Originally posted by Asian_Caucasian talking about Paul:
man I can\'t believe how much faster it feels to play this guy now....he works so well with the new engine and the walls really help out this guy deal good damage and strong poking
d+1+2 DEFINETLY has to be his best move without a doubt. this thing has so much priority, hits mid, has good recovery, does good damage, and sends the opp. flying into the wall
whenever Steve Fox is poking and jabbing away like a pitbull pull out d+1+2 and it will beat it
i haven\'t seen anything out prioritize this move...its disgusting
df+4 is really nice to
b,f+1 is deadly as well, its more of an anticipation type of move
you think your opp will attack do this and Paul dashes and ducks back then comes forward with a fast elbow
similar to Kuni\'s 1+2 only better
qcf+4 and d+1 seem to hit the opp. on the ground a lot and is good for okizeme surprisingly
ff+1+2 is great sending people into walls...i still miss tagging off this move tho
most of his juggles seem to be there to, at least the death fist ones
ff+2,1 also has good priority and is really good on CH
Man I barely touched this guy in TTT but Im really loving the new tekken4 Paul
That last line confirms what the Koreans said. "50% luck, no skill."
Here is just one more bad thing. A infinite combo has been found by Kazuya.
"Kazuya\'s got a instant death infinity combo......
ws+RP(clean hit), ff, LP, ws+RP(clean hit), repeat as many times you want.
all this is guranteed.
Wow, that\'s a lot of reading. :) Just imagine what I went through reading hundreds of posts on this subject.
So are there any solutions, or is Tekken 4 doomed? Tekken 4 version B is rumored to have been released in Japan. There is no info on whether these problems have been fixed though. Also, there is no info on whether the US will get version A or version B in a couple days.
My thoughts on this: Tekken 4 has problems, but me being the huge Tekken fan that I am, I will not drop it before I even play it. Namco might fix the 1,2 punch problems by making them have a little more recovery time, and they might tone down Paul. If they don\'t, I am sure ways to beat this 1,2 problem will be found. I will probably have nighmares about Paul tonight, but I will get over it. :) Come on Namco, don\'t let us down.
What do you think about this? Is Tekken doomed? Will Namco fix the problems? Are you afraid of the new Paul? :)
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My god.. :eek:
They are really die hard fans..
I mostly play Tekken cuz its FUN..
Oh well.. If people doesnt like Tekken4 then Namco better remake the whole system on the ARCADE. Or atleast PS2 version.
Or else they MIGHT loose alot of money and they cant afford that.. :(
Bad news indeed.. But it\'s still "fixable" ;)
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If Namco hears the complaints, and they actually do something about it, then its not doomed. They can change the arcades if they really wanted to (especially if people don\'t find it fun [in turn, not playing it, losing money for Namco]), and of coarse, change the gameplay in time for the PS2 release. If they plug their ears and go "lalalala", then its doomed.
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Arcade games go through revisions. It isn\'t uncommon for a company to correct damage ratio\'s and such. I imagine, Namco will take note and fix it and then sneak out the new revision. Even if they do, one has to wonder how all this slipped by Namco in the first place. Or did it? If you make the game easier and cheaper then newbies are more likely to play it and we all know there is a lot of newbies who are eager to be able to pick up a game and win at it. Maybe Namco was hoping to attract more consumers or maybe they was just plain stupid. Either way, judging by the correct reaction of so called Tekken "experts", I would say Namco was just plain stupid with the current release.
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Paul... Cheaper than before?!... IS THAT POSSIBLE?!
DAMN YOU NAMCO!!! :crying:
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Either way, judging by the correct reaction of so called Tekken "experts", I would say Namco was just plain stupid with the current release.
Yeah, Namco rushed the game to get it out at the same time as VF4. Big mistake, but it is still fixable.
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That last line confirms what the Koreans said. "50% luck, no skill."
I see the luck factor was toned down a bit. :laughing: :rolleyes:
/ dm /
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Originally posted by datamage
I see the luck factor was toned down a bit. :laughing: :rolleyes:
/ dm /
Ouch! That was a mean one but still funny.
:laughing:
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has anyone actually Seen one of these tekken "FAN\'S" my mates one of them and boy is he a FREEK........
he kows all the combos moves from Tekken Teg .......
better not let him read this post or he will defect to VF4 or even worse DoA3 ;) :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Thanks for the Info IronFist,
But say it ain\'t so WTF!!! :eek:
I hope they will fix all the oustanding issues with this title,
i\'m looking forward to playing this !!!
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Whoa! That\'s not good.......:( :surprised
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Originally posted by ajoh432
Whoa! That\'s not good.......:( :surprised
Well looks like Namco has dug their grave. Oh I hope they can recover.:(
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Originally posted by Bladez
Well looks like Namco has dug their grave. Oh I hope they can recover.:(
maybe so...... *shrugs*
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Hmm..The Arcade version isn\'t fixable,but the PS2 version is right?
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Originally posted by GAMES
Hmm..The Arcade version isn\'t fixable,but the PS2 version is right?
Sure it is :)
If Namco is willing to.
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Originally posted by GAMES
Hmm..The Arcade version isn\'t fixable,but the PS2 version is right?
I doubt it that they would fix it.....:crying:
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Originally posted by ajoh432
I doubt it that they would fix it.....:crying:
Yeah not if it\'s this close. Well maybe Tekken 5 will lighten up our spirits.:( :confused:
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Originally posted by Bladez
Yeah not if it\'s this close. Well maybe Tekken 5 will lighten up our spirits.:( :confused:
I think it will be dead by then :crying:
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Originally posted by ajoh432
I think it will be dead by then :crying:
Namco has just screwed themselves out of a cool game. Typical videogame industry.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Bladez
Namco has just screwed themselves out of a cool game. Typical videogame industry.:rolleyes:
That\'s what Virtua Fighter 4 is for......... Not to metion DOA3 for Xbox.... Now that is something sweet!:D
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Originally posted by ajoh432
That\'s what Virtua Fighter 4 is for......... Not to metion DOA3 for Xbox.... Now that is something sweet!:D
:)
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Originally posted by GAMES
Hmm..The Arcade version isn\'t fixable,but the PS2 version is right?
The Arcade is easily fixable. All Namco needs to do is send out a CD with the updates on it. Like I said, it is rumored that Tekken 4 version B is already out in Japan.
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Originally posted by ajoh432
That\'s what Virtua Fighter 4 is for......... Not to metion DOA3 for Xbox.... Now that is something sweet!:D
Yep. Xbox will own the fighting games because Namco shot Tekken 4 in the heart.
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Originally posted by Bladez
Yep. Xbox will own the fighting games because Namco shot Tekken 4 in the heart.
Not quite. Even if Tekken 4 does suck in the arcades, which I don\'t think it will, Namco will fix it for the PS2 release.
And even if we take Tekken 4 out of the picture, I don\'t think DOA3 can compete with Virtua Fighter 4, Soul Calibur 2, and Cap vs SNK2. The PS2 will own in fighting games.
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(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.contrabandent.com%2Fpez%2Fotn%2Fsad%2Fnea.gif&hash=3c298cd8a58881f9838f7095fd59aa73dbc5232f) I won\'t believe it, I don\'t want to. Namco, I swear... if this Tekken sux, I will never buy another game from you.
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Originally posted by Bladez
Yep. Xbox will own the fighting games because Namco shot Tekken 4 in the heart.
Why do people think this? Are there some good fighting games coming to xbox? Not that I know of. DOA3 is stunning visually, but if it plays anything like DOA2 its gonna suck major ass
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:laughing:
I couldn\'t help but laugh at some of the replies to this thread... most of them being from you, Bladez.
Well looks like Namco has dug their grave.
How so? Because they tried something new, and it wasn\'t received well by the public? Namco is not dead, even if Tekken 4 doesn\'t do well (which it will, simply because of the name).
Namco has just screwed themselves out of a cool game.
Tell me this after you play the game.
Yep. Xbox will own the fighting games because Namco shot Tekken 4 in the heart.
I can understand if you think Xbox will "own the fighting games", but don\'t write off the PS2\'s strength in that genre just because you think Tekken 4 will suck. Check out IronFist\'s last post if you want to know why.
Anyway, my opinion on the topic: I don\'t really care. If Tekken 4 turns out bad, then I won\'t buy it. If it turns out great, then I will buy it. I\'m not very interested in the title, though, because I have very little experience with the series.
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sounds bad about the jabs being so fast , but i guess thats why they are jabs as they are fast, hope they tone down the atack power on them.dont bother me about paul as hes my best/one of my best players anyway. i think they all need to play it more, sounds cool that they gotta learn new things. im glad that juggles dont work aswell as i hated it when u got hit in the air and kepy u up there till u died......its more relistic that you dont fly in the air when hit
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Originally posted by kopking
im glad that juggles dont work aswell as i hated it when u got hit in the air and kepy u up there till u died......its more relistic that you dont fly in the air when hit
But the juggles are 1 of the things that make Tekken so cool.
But I agree with 182 Ways. Dont judge the game before you have played it and just because 1 game is bad doesnt mean the series is dead or namco is dead. All companies come up with bad titles every now and again
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You never know...... It still might be too fun to handle.... I bet it will be.;)
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
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Think about it this way. If Namco leaves the 1,2 punch problem in, then they obviously know a way to get around it. If they find out that there really is no way around it, then they would be stupid not to fix such an easy to fix problem.
This news has been scary, but after thinking about it for a while, I have come to the conclusion that Namco will fix the problems and make Tekken 4 the best one yet. It just wouldn\'t make sense for them not to fix it. Why would they work so hard making a game and then let it be ruined by a tiny problem?
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Originally posted by 182Ways
How so? Because they tried something new
Tell me this after you play the game.
You know what 182Ways you just became my favorite, I couldn\'t
agree with you any more, I bet half of you guys haven\'t even played the game and yet your already bashing it. You know what, I glad Namco decided to change some things because if you can remember way back when Tekken Tag was relesed people were saying.."damn they didn\'t change any thing from Tekken 3 but graphics...." but now that Namco changes it you complain. I am highly confident that Tekken 4 will indeed be a wonderful game, not only because the Tekken brand name but the people behind the game that have brought us all the Tekken joy all these years. So guys do me a favor and don\'t judge the game so soon. I don\'t know about you guys but I\'m going to play the game first before I judge anything...sound fair?
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Bob, you are going to love this!
and love it i did
im still going to like the game...mebbe they will hear the criticism and alter the PS2 version
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Originally posted by GAMES
You know what 182Ways you just became my favorite, I couldn\'t agree with you any more, I bet half of you guys haven\'t even played the game and yet your already bashing it. You know what, I glad Namco decided to change some things because if you can remember way back when Tekken Tag was relesed people were saying.."damn they didn\'t change any thing from Tekken 3 but graphics...." but now that Namco changes it you complain. I am highly confident that Tekken 4 will indeed be a wonderful game, not only because the Tekken brand name but the people behind the game that have brought us all the Tekken joy all these years. So guys do me a favor and don\'t judge the game so soon. I don\'t know about you guys but I\'m going to play the game first before I judge anything...sound fair?
We are not complaining about Tekken 4 being "new." I\'m sure all of us are happy that it has changed a lot. How many of us really want another upgrade? That would be stupid. What we (or I :)) am complaining about is the fact that there are some problems with the game that need to be fixed.
Namcoman said that the US was getting version B of Tekken 4, but he is not sure if version B fixes the 1,2 punch problem or tones down Paul any. We will just have to wait and see.
BTW, has anyone got Tekken 4 yet?!! It should be out in some arcades now. I am going to call Nickel Cade tomorrow to see if they have it yet. Then I will be able to test these problems out for myself.
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I would just like to point out that the Dead or Alive series has and always will probably play like total crap. Sure, it looks great but it plays like crap. Just my opinion though.
Either way, the Xbox still does not have the amount of quality fighting games as the PS2. Virtua Fighter 4?? HELLO? Capcom Vs SNK 2??? Maybe even Soul Calibur 2. The Xbox has what? Oh yes, Breast-Fest aka DOA3.
:rolleyes:
I could care less how Tekken 4 plays, as I\'ve grown tired of the series. Still, I truly doubt Namco won\'t fix it these problems. IT only makes common sense that they will , after hearing the out-rage against it.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I could care less how Tekken 4 plays, as I\'ve grown tired of the series.
But now it has changed a whole lot. That is one reason why the top Korean/Japanese people hate it. They spent so much time mastering previous Tekkens, and now they have to learn something completely new. The combo system is a lot different now, and most TTT combos don\'t work anymore. Everyone has to start from scratch now. I can\'t wait until I can do some insane wall combos. :D
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But now it has changed a whole lot. That is one reason why the top Korean/Japanese people hate it. They spent so much time mastering previous Tekkens, and now they have to learn something completely new. The combo system is a lot different now, and most TTT combos don\'t work anymore. Everyone has to start from scratch now
Boo f\'ckin hoo. Tekken was getting stale, it\'s about damn time Namco did something to change the gameplay. So everyone has to learn new techniques, big deal. That\'s the way of life, did you want Tekken to be the same for all eternity? I personally hated the cheap @$$ juggles in Tekken and I\'m glad they toned it down. Those whining Koreans/Japanese should stfu and learn how to play again. I welcome a brand new Tekken, hell, I\'m more excited for it now.
/ dm /
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Although I ve been missing in the army lately and didnt have time to post I got some chances to visit some sites and download some T4 videos.
I ve noticed too from some movies in Tekken Central that the fights are messed up.The game lost its depth because of the increase in speed and the ease to perform many destructive moves without skill.
The most depth Tekken IMO was TTT.In TTT the characters were as balanced as ever.T4 is even worse than DOA2.
Also some of the swifts and sight steps look VERY messy some times(very clear in the movies at Tekken Central).
I ve been expecting a more in-depth Tekken4 from Namco and its unfortunate it ended up into a **** sequel:(.
I think the first thing Namco should change in T4 is the speed.The human brain can react THAT fast.
I wonder if you can even do "chickens" in that speed.
NAMCO BETTER FIX IT!!!
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You can say whatever you want about the Koreans/Japs being whiners, but if 1,2 is overpowering w/o a retaliating WS move then that says to me sloppy programming. And if Sauer is right about the strict timing of SS\'s that require decent sticks, sadly the US has a shortage of these. Arcade operators either don\'t care or don\'t know where to get good sticks (happ controls makes some of the best).
I really hope Namco fixes this as sime have mentioned.
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I think it\'s a good idea that namco are changing the tekken series in some ways. Having the game play the exact same as the other tekkens is pretty boring. I wanna have tekken4. but not the every same moves etc from the older tekkens.
Sounds too me these doods are just too used to the older tekkens and they don\'t wanna learn to change there Strategy.
There probably trying to use there OLD strategy too get outta trouble, cause that\'s what there used too.. Welp, guess it doesn\'t work.
anyway
Tekken isn\'t the only fighter that ps2 has and will have...
I think even if t4 was a flop. there are plenty of other fighters too keep me entertained.
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damn your lucky soulgrind...see what it says...less advanced players have a chance against masters in tekken 4...now you might actually have a chance at beating me...lucky you
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
damn your lucky soulgrind...see what it says...less advanced players have a chance against masters in tekken 4...now you might actually have a chance at beating me...lucky you
LOL. I say the same thing, but I\'m replacing "soulgrind" with "Bobby." :D
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Originally posted by datamage
Boo f\'ckin hoo. Tekken was getting stale, it\'s about damn time Namco did something to change the gameplay. So everyone has to learn new techniques, big deal. That\'s the way of life, did you want Tekken to be the same for all eternity? I personally hated the cheap @$$ juggles in Tekken and I\'m glad they toned it down. Those whining Koreans/Japanese should stfu and learn how to play again. I welcome a brand new Tekken, hell, I\'m more excited for it now.
/ dm /
no one is complaining about learning new things. they just feel that 1~2 is way to strong. you say you hate juggles i guess you would rather have someone 1~2 you to death. sure learning new stratagies is cool but whats the point some scrub can can destroy any strat you have by abuseing 1~2. i mean if you know how to beat 1~2 feel free to share but keep in mind that it trackes both ways. you could try ducking but it recovers so quickly that hardly anything you can do will hit them before they can block. plus if you even try to fight back with a ws attack they can interupt you with another 1~2. the game has been reduced to a jab fest. maybe that is cool to you but most of us want tekken to be something more then that.
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Originally posted by littleogre
no one is complaining about learning new things. they just feel that 1~2 is way to strong. you say you hate juggles i guess you would rather have someone 1~2 you to death. sure learning new stratagies is cool but whats the point some scrub can can destroy any strat you have by abuseing 1~2. i mean if you know how to beat 1~2 feel free to share but keep in mind that it trackes both ways. you could try ducking but it recovers so quickly that hardly anything you can do will hit them before they can block. plus if you even try to fight back with a ws attack they can interupt you with another 1~2. the game has been reduced to a jab fest. maybe that is cool to you but most of us want tekken to be something more then that.
Being an expert Tekken Tag player at the arcades, I totally agree with what u said.
I havent played Tekken 4 yet, but am willing to learn new strategies for sure.
But from what I heard about the pokes interrupting everything, it very dissapointing.
What the point of wasting your time learn new strategies, when a beginner who has never played Tekken comes in and does 1,2 , 1,2 1,2 and beats u.
Of course u can do it back, but that will get boring.
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Originally posted by neostarsX
Of course u can do it back, but that will get boring.
Very boring. :) And you can only do it back with Paul, Kazuya, or Steve, because everyone else isn\'t as fast.
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*FAINT*
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Originally posted by IronFist
LOL. I say the same thing, but I\'m replacing "soulgrind" with "Bobby." :D
ohh, god how i wish Tekken Tag was online...this would be an interesting little treat...but i\'d get bored of you after a while...beating someone continuously is boring you know :)
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
ohh, god how i wish Tekken Tag was online...this would be an interesting little treat...but i\'d get bored of you after a while...beating someone continuously is boring you know :)
Your just saying that because it isn\'t online and you won\'t have to back up your words. :D
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I\'m not worried because the game is still brand new. Namco can release new versions of the game. Many arcade games have gone though revisions. And about Ka\'z "Infinite combo" it will be gone in no time. Does anybody here remember A-kings handcuffs..that was taken out in the ps2 version. Problem solved. I\'m not going to judge until I play it myself.
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I was talking to some people on #tekken last night, and they were talking about who was the cheapest character along with a lot of other stuff.
Paul is definately the cheapest character. If you get trapped into a wall by him, you are instantly dead because there is no way to get out of his 1,2.
Craig is very cool, and a little cheap too. :) His tackle can take off up to half of your life if you don\'t get out of it, and until you learn the timing, it will seem a little unfair.
So far, everyone else isn\'t really "cheap," but I\'m sure other cheap things will be found. :)
Has anyone played Tekken 4 yet?
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Has anyone played Tekken 4 yet?
Nope.
On another note...your pic is starting to scare me now, IronFist...(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcwm.ffrepublic.com%2Fs%2Fcwm%2F3dlil%2Fsad.gif&hash=2af75ff2e9e84bf854471793e085fdbd19280e24)
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booby... your head is so far up your A@#E that when u do finally play me.. You would be soooo nervous, that you would lose everytime. Then when u finally start too play without fear. You would still lose everytime. Why.. Cause your all bark and no bite.. All talk no action. Your all BS. :)
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
booby... your head is so far up your A@#E that when u do finally play me.. You would be soooo nervous, that you would lose everytime. Then when u finally start too play without fear. You would still lose everytime. Why.. Cause your all bark and no bite.. All talk no action. Your all BS. :)
I agree. :) Bobby, when you play either of us, your hands will probably be so sweaty from fear that you won\'t even be able to hold onto the arcade stick. :D
Enough talk, lets end this now. Because we are on different continents, we are going to have to do this the old fashioned way. I will first do this with Bobby *Soulgrind goes and sits in a different room* How this works is I will punch you three times, and then you will punch me three times. The first one to give up is the Tekken 4 loser.
*IronFist punches Bob in the stomach*
*IronFist punches Bob in the face*
*IronFist gives Bob the ol\' Johnny Cage* (Mortal Kombat players know what I\'m talking about :D)
Ok Bob, I give up. You win.
*IronFist drags Bob\'s broken body out the back door* :D
Soulgrind, you can come in now. Muahahaha. :D
BTW, EviscerationX, I would love to change my picture, but then I wouldn\'t be recognized anymore. I think my picture stands out of the croud. Whenever you see a big, bright picture of Sweet Tooth, you know I\'m posting. :)
Your picture has scared me ever since you got it. What the heck is that anyways?! :D
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Originally posted by IronFist
Has anyone played Tekken 4 yet?
One of the arcades in the area is having a Tekken 4 tourney next week. It was scheduled for today but the manager said the distributor didn\'t have enough kits ready for shipping. I work on Sats but if I can get off it should be interesting.
Ironfist- what nick do you use on IRC? There have been several IF\'s in #tekken over the years. I\'m plain ol THX_.
btw- Catlord on TZ got his T4 kit on Aug 16, it\'s surprising how much it looks like the PS2 in structure. :eek:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcatlord.com%2Ft4board%2Fsystem246.jpg&hash=e29e9fca45faf5803a42a2b5b9641adc063b0b0f)
Hmmmm it even has controller ports and mem card slots
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcatlord.com%2Ft4board%2Fps2ports.jpg&hash=1ac3e17f9fd250a14ef59ad7b2b6d65b24679c81)
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16422
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Yeah, I saw those pics too. It does look very similar to a PS2. :) I wish I had $3000 to spend, because no arcade in my whole state is getting Tekken 4 for a while. I think if I keep calling all of them, one of them is bound to get it. :)
My nick is Sumasshu on both #tekken and TekkenZaibatsu forums.
Want to hear a funny but crappy story? I called like 10 arcades in my state, and I couldn\'t find any T4 machines. I called two "Namco Arcades." One said they probably wouldn\'t get it, and if they did, it would be in late September. The other one is where the funny thing happened. I called up and asked for Tekken 4. The boy said, "Um, hold on a minute." Then I heard him ask a girl if they had Tekken 4. I heard the girl say, "Tell him there\'s no such thing as Tekken 4" (in a serious voice, not trying to trick me or anything. :)) Then they boy told me that they had Tekken 2, but that was it. THIS WAS AT A NAMCO ARCADE! And all of the Nickel Cades don\'t have Tekken 4 yet, so I\'m completely out of like right now. I am going to go complain to Namcoman and Spyderman and try to get a Tekken 4 around here. :)
I\'ve never had this problem before. I think the arcades in my state are going downhill. :(
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Originally posted by IronFist
Your picture has scared me ever since you got it. What the heck is that anyways?! :D
It\'s an eyeball being grasped by a claw-like thing...
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i was reading some post at EC.com and it seems there are a few ways around the 1,2 abuse. it can be side steped but the timeing is rather difficult acording to most. you can also use some of the quicker ws moves to stop it. the thing is this info contradicts what the koreans and jap players have said. as most of them said 1,2 could not be side steped and that it recovered to quickly for ws moves to work. most americans are saying that 1,2 is indeed cheap and annoying but is in no way a game breaker. people have also said the game has balance problems. right now it seems as though my 3rd favorite character paul is in a league of his own. this may change as people actually learn how to play the game. so far steve seems to be the favorite character for scrubs in many locals on a side note i really like what i have seen in craig that guy looks like a real ass kicker.
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Man, I love Sega.
Eric Jacob
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i also think the fact that the back dash has been made much weaker in T4 combined with the small confines of the stages really hurts the game to me. the most important factor in spoting a skilled tekken player is there ability to use advanced movement ie moves like wd/ld/back dash cancel/ inorder to get proper spaceing. T4 on the other hand seems to be about geting in your opponents face and doing moves untill one of you die. the problem is any scrub can do moves. advanced movement on the other hand takes skill and there is little room for movement of anykind in T4.
on a side note the tekken players brought this on them selves by always crying about turtles boo hoo you want stand there and let me hit you. so to all those people when some scrub is in your face whacking away at the buttons and your forced to just stand there and block i sure hope your happy. well you could start mashing buttons just like them gee that sounds fun. haveing said all that i am not giveing up on this game yet.
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I for one am glad they got rid of the backdash stuff. It got really annoying, especially at the end of matches when both characters were almost dead and they were just trying to fake each other out (both players would backdash, run in, backdash, etc.) Yes, this causes new problems, but I am glad the game is more aggressive.
I have also heard that the 1,2 can be sidestepped, but not against a wall. That is why Paul owns the fight club stage. It is extremely small and extremely Paul-friendly. :)
If my state ever does get Tekken 4, the first character I will use it Yoshimitsu. He is so cool now. His sword flash is better than I could have imagined, and can steal whole strings instead of just single moves (like Steve\'s 1,2,1,2 and Kaz\'s 2 Hellsweeps). It can even steal Ling\'s taunt (I really want to see Yoshi do this. :D LOL). His moves link into other moves a lot more now. Like his indian stance now can link to a forward dive (3, 3+4), and an unblockable falling sword move (LP I think), as well as all of the other links. His ss+4 can link into a BK (back turned) position, which can lead into a BK 2, BK throw, BK uf+4, db+2, suicide, etc. The suicide doesn\'t hurt you if you hit the apponent too at a close range, but it hurts just as much if you miss. :) He also has a new BK 4, which is a backflip that juggles. :)
Craig was going to be my first character, and he still sounds cool, but I really want to try out the new Yoshi more. :) I wonder how long it will be before people find some 100% combos with Yoshi and his stolen moves.
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Originally posted by IronFist
I for one am glad they got rid of the backdash stuff. It got really annoying, especially at the end of matches when both characters were almost dead and they were just trying to fake each other out (both players would backdash, run in, backdash, etc.) Yes, this causes new problems, but I am glad the game is more aggressive.
I have also heard that the 1,2 can be sidestepped, but not against a wall. That is why Paul owns the fight club stage. It is extremely small and extremely Paul-friendly. :)
If my state ever does get Tekken 4, the first character I will use it Yoshimitsu. He is so cool now. His sword flash is better than I could have imagined, and can steal whole strings instead of just single moves (like Steve\'s 1,2,1,2 and Kaz\'s 2 Hellsweeps). It can even steal Ling\'s taunt (I really want to see Yoshi do this. :D LOL). His moves link into other moves a lot more now. Like his indian stance now can link to a forward dive (3, 3+4), and an unblockable falling sword move (LP I think), as well as all of the other links. His ss+4 can link into a BK (back turned) position, which can lead into a BK 2, BK throw, BK uf+4, db+2, suicide, etc. The suicide doesn\'t hurt you if you hit the apponent too at a close range, but it hurts just as much if you miss. :) He also has a new BK 4, which is a backflip that juggles. :)
Craig was going to be my first character, and he still sounds cool, but I really want to try out the new Yoshi more. :) I wonder how long it will be before people find some 100% combos with Yoshi and his stolen moves.
i have also heard of some other ways to stop 1,2
1 duck then do ws+2 with paul
2 block then do pauls shoulder check i believe it is d+1+2
when i say skilled movement i do not mean people that just back dash all day.
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bah, when i finally haul my ass down to melbourne Soolly, your gonna eat your words...litterally....well, ok, not literally, but....im gonna tekken tag up your ass (not literally)
as for YOU IronFist...all i can do it laugh....well, if it werent for this throat infection...
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Originally posted by littleogre
i have also heard of some other ways to stop 1,2
1 duck then do ws+2 with paul
2 block then do pauls shoulder check i believe it is d+1+2
Yeah, but notice how both of those other ways are done with Paul. :( I was on IRC again, and the 1,2 punches are not as bad as the Koreans, and a lot of the Americans said they were. At first, it is hard to play against, but then you find ways to get around it. More about this below.
when i say skilled movement i do not mean people that just back dash all day. [/B]
Yeah, but you don\'t always play against skilled players. Most of the Tekken players out there are not skilled at Tekken, and they are the ones who do just backdash all day. A lot of the time it was just annoying trying to finish someone off when they kept on turtling.
Posted by Bob:
as for YOU IronFist...all i can do it laugh....well, if it werent for this throat infection...
Laugh? I said you won. You are the champion. :) Get well soon Bob, both your throat and your broken body. :D Really though bob, I hope your throat starts to feel better soon.
Like I said before, I was on IRC tonight and I found out that the characters are pretty well balanced. Here are some interesting things that were said:
who counters paul?
law, steve, craig, yoshi maybe
are a lot of T3/TTT strategies used in T4 or should i just throw away that mentality?
throw away that mentality
REALLy?!
wow
yes
that\'s why koreans don\'t like it
totaly different game
they use TTT strategies
T4 is very unpredictable
jae: ss forward dash is SO ****ING GOOD IN TEKKEN4
WHUT? really?
now way
i mean good as in way better than ss back dash
and more distance covered
The 2 way run is extremely good (i.e, up/back). Instead of doing the old ss, bb, ss, bb, just do the 2 way run. It covers the same amount of area, and is a lot easier. :)
so 1,2\'s are not the all mighty everyone says right?
nope
initially, they\'re annoying
and abusable
but there are many ways around it
you just need to watch out
but 2 way run is the cure for it
Yoshi Stuff:
drumdude... who is the character that seems to have the most potential right now?
everyone really
characters seem really balanced
cept like tragic was saying earlier...yoshi is lower tier right now
but not by much
yoshi... nooooooo
does Yoshi even have a d+1 anymore?
i was thinking he would be awesome
bronz: gotta use d/b+1
i couldnt seem to get it today
to do his old poke
d+1 is sword slash
it got switched
oh!
how many times does yoshi have the stored moves
that explains alot
until you use it
once you use it, stolen move is gone
so just one time though
he can steal ling\'s taunts
weird
haha
funny seeing yoshi wave to ling
how obut sways?!
he can\'t steal sways
DAMN
hehe
he can steal attacks from sways though
like sometimes he\'ll do a sway, into one of steve\'s moves automatically
same with hwoarang
if from flamingo bob does b+3+4, and yoshi steals it...
yoshi will go into flamingo then do b+3+4
SWEET
but yoshi can steal the entire flamingo stance as well
thats gonna be sooo weird
so he can go into flamingo and do b+4 if he does f+3 flamingo
and start juggling
OMG
prolly other moves from flamingo as well
yoshi gets better the more varied his opponent his
he adapts
can Hwoarang wavedash?
dood.. i can see that abuse..its still as fast right.. its like the fastest move in the game right?
yeah
yoshi flash is fast, has great range, and can steal moves without touching them
he can steal from a distance in case you didn\'t know
so if ling is in AoP far away
he flashes
WHUT
then he has it, can do AoP
that seems evil
NO WAY
but when he does AoP, he only spits. can\'t do any other moves
so the flash doesnt have to connect?
he does a low spit
whichi is unblockable
rob: nope
Is there any way to "throw out" a stolen move instead of using it?
what do you mean
If you don\'t want to use a move, can you just get rid of it?
oh
i see what you mean
um, no i don\'t think there is
nope
oh. :(
Can you steal a different move when you already have a move stolen?
no
wait a minute.. so if yoshi predicts the oppoenent is going to do lets say kaz ewgf from across the screen all he has to do is do the flash and he has it?
rob: yeah
DANG
yoshi IS cool
he has the glide across the floor as well
he glides during meditation
in any direction
And he regains life while moving?
hold d+3+4, then move joystick to desired playes
sumas: no
oh
since he\'s in the hold still meditation
but you can position yourself away far enough to get in a few whack offs, hehe
like say, after knocing someone down
go into the still meditation, glide away
then jerk off a bit
hehe
So it\'s really fast?
i wouldn\'t say REALLY fast
But fast enough. ;)
just fast enough do be cool looking and useful under certain conditions
I have regained all lost confidence in this game. :) Now if only an arcade around me would get it!
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Tekken, Doa, and soul calibur are all fighters with shinny graphics that take no skills to play and are nothing but simple button smashers. I am glad this happen to namco, because tekken has been crap..they keep the same concept and thought they did not have to find anything new in the game. I am glad I am and big capcom fan.
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QuDDus, I can\'t tell if you are being sarcastic or not, so I will just assume that you are not. It\'s time to pick this apart piece by piece.
Originally posted by QuDDus
Tekken, Doa, and soul calibur are all fighters with shinny graphics that take no skills to play and are nothing but simple button smashers.
You couldn\'t be more wrong on that one. All three of those games take a great deal of skill and practice to master (yes, even DOA :)) Tekken has unlimited possibilities with style, and with air juggles. SC is probably the deepest fighter out of those three. It takes a ton of skill to master that game. While button smashers can do a lot, a skilled player can whale on any button smasher.
I am glad this happen to namco,
You did read my last post about how the problems are not that big of deal, right?
because tekken has been crap..they keep the same concept and thought they did not have to find anything new in the game.
Nothing has happened to Namco except a few lost fans in Korea and Japan because Tekken 4 is so different than any other Tekken. That is where all these rumors about cheap punches and crap started. The top Koreans don\'t want to throw out everything they have learned and start over again from scratch. They just can\'t let go of the old style of Tekken.
I am glad I am and big capcom fan.
This is why I thought you could have been being sarcastic. So you are saying Capcom games (I\'m assuming Street Fighter games) have evolved more than Tekken has? I am a huge Street Fighter fan, but if anything, Street Fighter is the game that hasn\'t really evolved. Sure, they add new guys, super bars for super moves, but everything else is the same it has been for 10 years. Tekken has evolved a ton in parts 1,2, and 3, and then it completely changed in part 4.
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IronFist:
Tekken4 has changed a lot conpared to the other Tekkens but IMO the fact that Paul is even cheaper than he used to be, the fact that the game is very very fast and the fact that you can perform powerfull moves easily make me think twice about it.
examples:
PAUL EVEN CHEAPER:I just dont want to see Paul do 2 or 3 moves and leave me with 5%-10% of my bar.And usually many of Paul\'s moves send the opponent far that either could end with a run or either hit a wall and face extra damage.I can imagine him smashing an opponnent in a corner with his cheaper moves
EASE AT PERFORMING POWERFULL MOVES:Judging from Eddie Gordo\'s handling Christie can perform many tantalizing moves by just smashing the buttons and it might be very difficult to figure out when its a high or low hit to block.
SPEED:Especially hard if moves are blindingly fast.You wouldnt be able to act/react fast enough IMO.
PS:I might not be able to read your reply because I ll be returning to the army soon and God knows when I ll be out again.:(
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Originally posted by Unicron!
PS:I might not be able to read your reply because I ll be returning to the army soon and God knows when I ll be out again.:(
Wow, How long have you been in the army?
Good luck;)
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Originally posted by GAMES
Wow, How long have you been in the army?
Good luck;)
Thanks.:)
I ve been in the army for around 2 months.24 months left from which I ll spent 4 months training in Crete.:(
But I ll return back as an officer:) :cool:
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Thanks.
I ve been in the army for around 2 months.24 months left from which I ll spent 4 months training in Crete.:(
Sound cool,but the little sad face means that your not happy about it.Are you being forced to do it by your parents or somthing?
I probably shouldn\'t be asking you so much question because you have to go soon
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Originally posted by GAMES
Sound cool,but the little sad face means that your not happy about it.Are you being forced to do it by your parents or somthing?
I probably shouldn\'t be asking you so much question because you have to go soon
No prob.Ask freely.
I am not forced to go to Crete for training by anyone.But I ll have to leave many things I am used to behind(like friends relatives and hobbies).4 months of hard training and in many occasions isolation in camp.
Unfortunately the army can not be avoided where I live.Usually normal soldiers get 2 exits a week.
So I choosed to go to Crete so when I return back as an officer I ll only have to stay in camp till noon leaving me lots of time to spend more creatively(and help recruits too:)).
I am not as sad as I look.But I am not used to the fact.Dont worry I ll be happier than other soldiers when I return.:)
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Oops accidentally quoted myself.
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I was thinking of joining the Army, I don\'t think I\'m ready though
:shy:
I\'m going to finish school first:)
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Originally posted by IronFist
Yeah, but you don\'t always play against skilled players. Most of the Tekken players out there are not skilled at Tekken, and they are the ones who do just backdash all day. A lot of the time it was just annoying trying to finish someone off when they kept on turtling.
Laugh? I said you won. You are the champion. :) Get well soon Bob, both your throat and your broken body. :D Really though bob, I hope your throat starts to feel better soon.
Like I said before, I was on IRC tonight and I found out that the characters are pretty well balanced. Here are some interesting things that were said:
The 2 way run is extremely good (i.e, up/back). Instead of doing the old ss, bb, ss, bb, just do the 2 way run. It covers the same amount of area, and is a lot easier. :)
Yoshi Stuff:
I have regained all lost confidence in this game. :) Now if only an arcade around me would get it!
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why the heck did my message not show up in the above quote of ironfist? i wrote that i agree about back dash abusers being anoying
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Littleogre, you can edit your own posts by pressing the "edit" button on the bottom-right corner of your post. That way, you don\'t have to post again explaining why the first post messed up. :)
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Originally posted by IronFist
Littleogre, you can edit your own posts by pressing the "edit" button on the bottom-right corner of your post. That way, you don\'t have to post again explaining why the first post messed up. :)
i know and i tried that but i got an unable to display page error.
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LOL :laughing: Ironfist I know your a big tekken fan and I NEW you where going to defend it in every way. I mean buT lets be truthful. tekken 2 is tekken 3 and tekken 3 is TT. tHE JUGGLE COMBO\'S ARE NON EXISTENT In Tekken. And as for soul calibur about out of 3million that play the game i bet on 20 ppl have mastered the game. There really is not point in mastering a those type of fighters. But that what makes them popular as hell and fun to play. I guess I expect more out of these fighting games. But I like them. And I love your rant on STREET FIGHTER:laughing: that is so true when you really think about street fighter. I mean it has virtually been the same old game just with a new characters.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
LOL :laughing: Ironfist I know your a big tekken fan and I NEW you where going to defend it in every way. I mean buT lets be truthful. tekken 2 is tekken 3 and tekken 3 is TT. tHE JUGGLE COMBO\'S ARE NON EXISTENT In Tekken.
Oh man, you really haven\'t played Tekken have you? Juggle combos are non existent? What are you talking about?
And as for soul calibur about out of 3million that play the game i bet on 20 ppl have mastered the game. There really is not point in mastering a those type of fighters. But that what makes them popular as hell and fun to play.
The point to master those types of fighters is to get good at them. Why play fighting games if you don\'t plan on getting good at it? That just doesn\'t make sense.
And I love your rant on STREET FIGHTER:laughing: that is so true when you really think about street fighter. I mean it has virtually been the same old game just with a new characters.
Yet, it is still the best 2d fighting game ever made. :)
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Originally posted by IronFist
Oh man, you really haven\'t played Tekken have you? Juggle combos are non existent? What are you talking about?
The point to master those types of fighters is to get good at them. Why play fighting games if you don\'t plan on getting good at it? That just doesn\'t make sense.
Yet, it is still the best 2d fighting game ever made. :)
Well you don\'t have to know any of the moves in tekken or soul calibur to be good at those games. I myself never read move list in those games. The button combinations is virtually the same all around. And I am one of the best at the game. I have beaten guys in tourneys in soulcalibur bye merely knowing button combinations. And I two have been playing tekken since day 1 but It just does not seem that the juggle combo\'s ever come into a play. I mean once in a while you may see someone who knows what there doing using them correctly. I mean most the time it is just someone smashing the buttons and luck up on do a juggle combo.
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Well QuDDus, all I can say is that I think you should get some better competition; especially with Tekken. You will never win a tournament in Tekken if you don\'t think juggles play a huge role.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Well QuDDus, all I can say is that I think you should get some better competition; especially with Tekken. You will never win a tournament in Tekken if you don\'t think juggles play a huge role.
juggles suck it\'s the ogre\'s ground game that counts. :)
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Catlord only spent 3000 dollars on that Kit..to be honest I thought it was going to be much much more.
P.S. Craig combo vid is up at Tekkenzaibatsu..check it out ^_^
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Im a Diehard Tekkenfan, i live in Scandinavia so i havent tried T4 yet, but i wanna try it before i just say it\'s crap, just because some korean guys says it suck, i think some changes in the gameplay are good and some arent, of course Namco wouldent put out a game if it sucked so much, lets see after a couple of months when you really learn the gameplay in T4.
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Originally posted by Lynx
Catlord only spent 3000 dollars on that Kit..to be honest I thought it was going to be much much more.
P.S. Craig combo vid is up at Tekkenzaibatsu..check it out ^_^
A different Craig combo movie is up at http://www.tekkencentral.com/eng . Craig is not meant to juggle, but some of the stuff is pretty cool. :)
I wonder why the first combo movies at both sites were of the same person... Like I said, he isn\'t even that good at juggling.
EDIT: Yoshi looks so cool with his wings. :) I just downloaded the TekkenZaibatsu movie, and it showed a lot of Yoshi\'s wings. That last wall combo that Castel did was very cool. :D
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there is a new jin movie at http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com in the members section.
oops i just noticed ironfist already posted this info.
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Originally posted by littleogre
there is a new jin movie at http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com in the members section.
oops i just noticed ironfist already posted this info.
I didn\'t post the link, Lynx did. :)