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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: lestat on August 23, 2001, 11:48:36 AM
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...ever since the dissapointments of the n64 (which was once supposed to be the ULTRA64 with 1 million polys, high rez, no pop up, etc..but became a bundle of empty promises)...i have bashed nintendo for its lack of performance and for their pathetic choice to target little kids...i guess i felt that since their last system was so weak, they had to use \'kiddies\' as their target audience to justify the primitive graphics of their so called 64 bit nex gen system....so much for next generation.
i know that when i first entered these forums, i was looked upon as a nintendo hater because of my constant attacks at their crappy kiddie games and what not...but in reality, nintendo has given me the best videogame memories EVER!!!...it all started with nintendo...even back when they developed for atari and coleco (they made donkey kong).....i had a blast with my NES and SNES and ill never forget my roots....
SO...i decided to give nintendo the benefit of the doubt and since most of the nintendo fanboys from these forums prolly hate me by now, i started looking towards nintendo\'s future with a positive and hopeful outlook...i have respect for miyamoto and i know the gamecube is a powerful system and i know that it can pull off some great looking and sounding games ( rogue leader, starfox adventure)....
but after the load of crap i saw from the space world presentation, i feel like a deusche bag for giving nintendo the time of day....i shouldve known that they are a bunch of old fashioned goodie goodies that will never grow up...they love their kiddie games and their gay crap and will continue to create gay looking games and kiddie style graphics for the remainder of their days to come....
ZELDA:
i cannot beLIEve, how they destroyed their best franchise...
link never looked this gay and pathetic...for those of you that defended it and said that zelda has always been cartoony, i think you all better take a look at the last years gamecube demo and smash bros melee and check out the rendered link...
NEVER has link looked like a powerpuff girl...although i wasnt too thrilled with last years zelda gamecube demo, ( i wanted soul caliber 1 style textures) atleast it had decent looking textures, and great animation between ganon and link...their sword fight was awesome and showed emotion....its unbeLIEvable how they just went a totally different route...if they wanted to go cartoony, why didnt the ATLEAST make the cartoony people like the artwork from Ocarina, MAjora\'s Mask and the gameboy color zelda games....atleast the artwork there is cool as f**k..check out their website too.....
but this rinky dinky excuse for link is not acceptable..sorry....
now, i can look at this game and pretend that its no zelda and i think it looks great...its a cool game to play and im sure id have fun, BUT since its ZELDA, i cannot accept it....thats like if a new metal gear came out and was in ANIME style...i wouldnt accept it cause metal gear is supposed to be realistic....so , too bad....another great franchise down the drain...
METROID:
the game ive been waiting for years....is now a load of crap too...i think the mock up picture that IGN created looked cooler than what was shown at space world.....its a freakin FPS and its not even being developed by nintendo...why?..cause its prolly to serious of a game for nintendo to make...its not kiddie enough...so...the hell with it too...
i cannot deal with all these disappointments in one day....i wont even bring up soul caliber 2\'s crappyness now...ill save that for another thread...but ive had it with nintendo...i can safely say that i will not get a gamecube and will use my hard earned money for konami, capcom, square, sega, blizzard, valve, and namco...the cream of the crop in game companies....if i missed any, please remind me.
for those of you who like the new zelda and metroid...i envy you and i wish you the best...enjoy!!!
for those of you that will swallow the new zelda and metroid and future nintendo kiddie projects...i feel bad for you....have fun being spoon fed games that deep inside you know youre dissapointed with....
as for myself....unless nintendo does something out of this world to win my love for its games again.....NINTENDO IS OFFICIALLY DEAD TO ME.....
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hmmm,
i think the big N will survive, and I’m betting sooner or later some of us disappointed people might actually learn to like the new N. ;)
I think they are going through puberty.. or something equivalent lol.
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Who in the blue hell are you?
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"Who in the blue hell are you?"[/b]
Gee another insult?
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*ignoring Tshirts*
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Who in the blue hell are you?
That was a joke right? from The Rock
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Yes, the graphics for these games are \'bad\' or not your style so obviously the gameplay will be $hit.
No wonder Polyphony Digital decided not to even change one iota of GT2\'s gameplay for GT3 - just improve the graphics and the graphics whores will lap it up - "oooo greatest racer of all time because the graphics are (say it Sammy) - SOOO REAL".
I can\'t believe some of the negative comments I\'m hearing about the GC and Spaceworld, and many of them from previously staunch Nintendo supporters. What were you expecting - Zelda with blood and gore? Maybe Zelda Gear Solid where when you die Navi screams; "LIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNKKKK!!!!".
Spaceworld and the past few weeks have had the totally opposite effect upon me. This time last year I wasn\'t too keen on the GC - now I can\'t wait.
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I think the GameCube is gonna kick major Microsoft ass! SONY as well, but not as bad. Spaceworld=the great awakining for me.
My god am I hyped up for GC. YOU MUST SEE THE VIDEO, it is the only way to show the new Zelda off.
cell shading at its best (http://viewer.ign.com/media_page.jsp?width=512&height=384&media=http://cubemovies.ign.com/media/space2k1/pressmovies/zelda1.mov&media_src=embed&media_type=N&object_id=37665&adtag=network%3Dign%26site%3Dcube%26adchannel%3Dcube%26pagetype%3Darticle&ign_section=33&media_name=First+Legend+of+Zelda+Footage)
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This is what I think about it. Zelda looks brilliant! Instead of Mimimamamomo just following the trend and making a game with even higher polygon count than the last, he completely changed the style of the graphics. This game alone (literally, because I don\'t like anything else I\'ve seen on the NGC :)), is what makes me want a NGC. The only Zelda I have ever loved is Zelda on the NES. After that, the Zelda franchise went downhill IMO. It seems like Zelda is going back to it\'s roots again.
This is a huge change from the previous few Zelda games, and I think it is a change for the better. Again, this game looks brilliant.
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if you dont care about graphics...and gameplay is all there is to you...then dont bother buying any next generation systems...stick with your NES or GAMEBOY....
gameplay should always be good...its the graphics that make a nex gen system work..not the gameplay because ANY console can have games that play well and are fun...but the whole point of a new system is to improve GRAPHICS!!!
otherwise one console per company would be enough.
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"This is a huge change from the previous few Zelda games, and I think it is a change for the better. Again, this game looks brilliant."
Well I would concur with you but games like Mario Sunshine, Luigi\'s mansion, and Metroid not being given top priority because it is "mature" lead me to infer it has nothing to do with artistic vision but rather a shift to cater to Nintendo\'s very kiddish demographic.
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Originally posted by lestat
if you dont care about graphics...and gameplay is all there is to you...then dont bother buying any next generation systems...stick with your NES or GAMEBOY....
gameplay should always be good...its the graphics that make a nex gen system work..not the gameplay because ANY console can have games that play well and are fun...but the whole point of a new system is to improve GRAPHICS!!!
otherwise one console per company would be enough.
These are the kinds of gamers who destroyed Dreamcast.
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Well lestat I agree with you on a few points mostly the disppointment with zelda and metroid. But unless nintendo unviels a "real" zelda game. Then spaceworld so far sucked. Yes SC2 isn\'t looking that great either. I still can\'t believe what happen to zelda?????:mad: :mad:
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Originally posted by lestat
if you dont care about graphics...and gameplay is all there is to you...then dont bother buying any next generation systems...stick with your NES or GAMEBOY....
gameplay should always be good...its the graphics that make a nex gen system work..not the gameplay because ANY console can have games that play well and are fun...but the whole point of a new system is to improve GRAPHICS!!!
otherwise one console per company would be enough.
What about the new controller? More realistic gameplay? longer gameplay?
PS2 is an example. They added pressure sensitive buttons to make it more fun.
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lestat, have you played Zelda or Metroid yet? You\'ve seemed to have formed a pretty solid judgement already that they will both be low quality games and I find that extremely facinating.
First of all, they only showed us 2 seconds of Metroids. Those screens don\'t do the game any justice. You have to see it in motion and obviously you have not done so. It looks amazing. \'Nuff said. And you cannot form an opinion on it unless you have played it, same logic applies to Zelda.
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jumpman...i saw the movies to zelda...and i originally said that IF this game were not called ZELDA, i would like it, but i cannot accept this change of the franchise...
the ps2 releases games like Klonoa and i love em....DC released Rayman and i love it!...why?
because its a variety....those consoles release a great variety of games from serious like MGS, to cartoony like jet set radio, and i can enjoy them all....but nintendo is nothing but kiddie...and they turned link into a powerpuff girl.....
sorry but i think Nintendo\'s GayCube is off my list....
sucks too, i was really looking forward to enjoying the classics again...but not in this gay kiddies style...
as for metroid...i dont like what ive seen or heard about the game...metroid shouldve stayed 2d like part 3...something like symphony of the night...nintendo ATLEAST couldve made the damn thing and not sell it to another company....so..down the drain it goes.....
to all you nintendo lovers..im not insulting you...im insulting nintendo\'s choice to target kiddies...i hate that idea and i will not support it....theres no need to defend whats a proven fact...
i wont have any part in it....and thats my opinion...i am not insulting any fans and will not compare it to the ps2, dc or xbox because, IMO it doesnt belong...honestly, id rather play the gameboy advance...ill go blind staring into that dark screen but atleast its 2d...
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You never answered my question- have you played either of them? No, so therefor you CAN\'T form a solid opinion on them. Simple as that.
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This new Zelda is going retro and that\'s what you\'ve all been asking for. Now that you see it you want it to be like the N64 Zelda\'s which you hated in the first place because they were too different from the originals?
I for one like the new Zelda. It\'s fresh, yet its going back to NES.
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These are the kinds of gamers who destroyed Dreamcast. [/B][/QUOTE]
incorrect !
i supported the DREAMCAST like you couldnt believe! i stood up for it even before i even owned the damn thing...
i hated sega until the dreamcast came out.they made a hell of a system ...in fact...i think it was their best system...and i hated the day when i heard sega was calling it quits...i love my dream cast and im still buying games for it and i cant wait until shen mue comes out....
i think the people that killed the dreamcast were idiots that thought sega would suck no matter what...people that didnt give it the time of day....and i think the dreamcast had better games than the ps2 until recently...so dont put me in the category of \'gamers that killed the DC\' because im the total opposite...i wouldnt even pirate their games.....
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Originally posted by lestat
but the whole point of a new system is to improve GRAPHICS!!!
Do you work for Polyphony Digital?
My bad, I thought with newer consoles you can have better AI, larger levels, greater control over the gameplay (as Vivi said, pressure sensitive buttons), longer games, more replay value, better multiplayer.
For example, the aggressive and intelligent AI in Jarret and Labonte Stock Car Racing on the PSX (in a TWELVE car field no less) could never have been implemented on a SNES - neither could the excellent physical damage model in that game. That\'s why I was so upset that Polyphony, with the immense power of the PS2, didn\'t incorporate. and even enhance, the AI and damage model from GT2 for GT3 - all they did was just improve the graphics to make the graphics whores happy.
But now I know that we only get new consoles for the graphics so I understand now.
Whore it up baby!!
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Originally posted by Jumpman
You never answered my question- have you played either of them? No, so therefor you CAN\'T form a solid opinion on them. Simple as that.
let me ask you something....do you have to f**k a girl before you can draw judgements about her?...
i mean...you know youre not attracted to a girl by her appearance and her looks....you dont have to F**K her to form a solid opinion do you?
hell, let me go rip the first fat whore i meet at a club...and then post in the forum how ugly and fat she is....
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lestat, I\'m agree I disguted with nintendo after zelda showing I mean what happen?!?!?! :thepimp:
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Originally posted by lestat
let me ask you something....do you have to f**k a girl before you can draw judgements about her?...
i mean...you know youre not attracted to a girl by her appearance and her looks....you dont have to F**K her to form a solid opinion do you?
hell, let me go rip the first fat whore i meet at a club...and then post in the forum how ugly and fat she is....
Worst. Example. Ever.
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Originally posted by Lavan
But now I know that we only get new consoles for the graphics so I understand now.
Whore it up baby!!
\'F\' it.....
you cant win in the forums...too many opinions....
i know the AI in G3 was the same as in 2...i ripped them already....but lucky for me i never cared about that game...
anyways....if all they did was improve the graphics than thats their fault and they f\'ed up...
but had they fixed everything else and left the game in low rez in 30 frames...then some other group wouldnt be happy.....too many opinions...
im not a graphic whore...but a 128 bit system, IMO, should be busting out with phenominal graphical games...on top of great gameplay, sound score (very important)..lighting...AI, etc...
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Worst. Example. Ever.
wrong...great example....
if a girl looks like crap OR if she\'s not your type...then youll know that you dont want to splack her...if a game looks like crap OR it doesnt fit in your type of games list....youll know that you dont wanna play it....
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I mean I can understand where lestat coming from? How would you like if SC2 used stick figures fighting in a black background? YOu wouldn\'t be disppointed with the graphics? If you say no your lying. Cause its the 128-bit era I expect something that looks decent not this little cartoon crap like zelda.:thepimp:
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Originally posted by lestat
wrong...great example....
if a girl looks like crap OR if she\'s not your type...then youll know that you dont want to splack her...if a game looks like crap OR it doesnt fit in your type of games list....youll know that you dont wanna play it....
But this is Zelda we\'re talking about. The previous installments in the series had some of the best gameplay ever. You know it\'s going to play good, and isn\'t that all that truly matters? Give it a shot atleast. Maybe the ugly ***** has some moves... If you don\'t like it, don\'t that\'s that\'s. But play it first. It could be one of the best games ever.
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Ok guys the bottom line is zelda looks like some kiddy crap now.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Coming from a fanboy\'s point of view that is. :)
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Oh jumpman come even you said it looks like crap compared to the spaceworld demo last year.:)
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Everything looks like crap compared to that demo. :)
It doesn\'t look like kiddy crap, it just looks unique. I guess you either love it or hate it. Both are acceptable I guess. Most people are hating the new look actually but a lot are loving it so I guess we\'ll just say it\'s "different".
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My only problem is Link\'s graphics. I do think he looks somewhat homosexual, but that\'s neither here nor there. I\'ve seen the one movie I know about, and it looked fantastic! I know that, with that kind of show and the gameplay that I know will kick ass, I\'ll get the next Zelda game without question.
I can see how the people who jump on Nintendo for being \'kiddy\' leapt right on this one like a pack of starving hyenas, but graphics are the wrapping on the present. Nothing more.
To those fools who pass on Zelda because of the graphics... it\'s your loss.
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Well I hate it!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Originally posted by Lavan
No wonder Polyphony Digital decided not to even change one iota of GT2\'s gameplay for GT3 - just improve the graphics and the graphics whores will lap it up - "oooo greatest racer of all time because the graphics are (say it Sammy) - SOOO REAL".
DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!
I had almost forgotten that abomonation that was a videogame commercial!
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Alright, that\'s your 30th post saying you hate the new Zelda. We get it.
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"To those fools who pass on Zelda because of the graphics... it\'s your loss."[/b]
So true.
Then again, if they are reinventing the graphics and appeal of the game, do you think the gameplay will remain intact? What if they make it kiddish too? Yikes!
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Too many points to agree upon. But as a whole, I agree with Lestat. I was hoping for Nintendo to bring back the magic in this generation, and I am wholely disappointed. I am sure Zelda will be a wonderful experience, and I\'m sure its gameplay will be top notch. But I suppose growing up is a part of life. Like when collecting baseball cards isn\'t your thing anymore. I grew up w/Nintendo, loved all their franchises,. but as I look back now, and think of how great all that was, I was young. The thought of playing a Saturday-morning-cartoon-Link does not appeal to me now. It\'s the Link I\'ve outgrown, and a Link I will let die. You can fight all you want about meager opinions, but in the end, that\'s all they are. Opinions.
Maybe I\'m outgrowing videogames as a whole, because as more time passes, I find myself less and less interested in certain games. Or perhaps this all relates back to that Casual gamers thread that Ryu started. Technologically speaking, this new GC Link looks awesome. Never has a game resembled a real cartoon so closely. And I am glad that the GC is indeed a mighty system. But if that power will be used to bring cartoons to life, then I don\'t care for it. Only time will tell what happens, but @ this point I am severely disappointed. (with PS2 / Xbox / and GC )
Don\'t turn this into a flaming war, but I feel the same way as Lestat. If you are enthusiastic for the new Zelda/Mario/Metroid, then I too envy you, I wish I could remember what that feeling was like. Peace out.
(Chances are, that in the end, I will still get a GC + Zelda, but it is not the Zelda I had envisioned, the Zelda I hoped for. Unfortunately as Lestat put it, I will have to swallow it.)
/ dm /
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My main problem with the gamecube is that not only does it look kiddy, it has only kiddy game support from Nintendo and if Nintendo admits to it being kiddy and they are making kiddy games, what do you think 3rd party is going to do? Make kiddy games as well....
This is one big reason why the Nintendo 64 failed against the PSX was because of ONLY kiddy games. The consumers (non hardcore) are going to see this again with Gamecube just like they did with the N64.
My bro was SEGA fan and then a PSX fan and now is looking at PS2 and Xbox and doesn\'t care about Nintendo and he isn\'t hardcore, he is just an average consumer. Even my wife who went with me at E3 said that Nintendo was kiddy and that she didn\'t care for it. And my best friend who I work with who has a Dreamcast doesn\'t care for Nintendo because they are kiddy and then I have another friend from my hometown of St. Louis who doesn\'t care for Nintendo because of kiddy games and the honest truth is that I am the one that defends Nintendo.
I know because I was one of those people. The only two games that I got with the N64 was the only two available when it was launched, Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64.
I think the negative information from Spaceworld pretty much makes Nintendo\'s success at E3 moot. If it wasn\'t for RS2 Nintendo would not have had a good E3 at all. The one game was the only game that helped Nintendo and that one game should have been directed to a more mature platform such as the PS2 or Xbox.
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The only point I agree with is they killed Metriod.
They did not kill Zelda, it will maintain the high fun factor gameplay but only with new graphics. Yes, Link looks homosexual, but it is just a game. I could care less. The actual ingame footage looks simply amazing.
This will not kill Nintendo as hardcore loyal fans will still play it , even if they are upset. They still have their target audience and so on.
Nintendo will continue to rake in the money with their target audience and hardcore fan base.
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I don\'t think that this is the end of nintendo. It just confirms that nintendo is content on keeping the same image they had before. A lot of nintendo fans where yelling and screaming about nintendo\'s new adult and teen image. Well it ain\'t gonna happen. Gamecube will continue on from the success of n64 dispite all the recent bad news.
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All i can say is that Zelda and Mario looks like crap..Mario\'s enviroment looks blocky and low polygons..Looks like an expansion to Mario 64..Mario does looks excellent..Zelda looks like a kindergarden drawing....i am not getting a GayCube anymore....
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Sure, we would have all pefered it as wishing it looked better, it does not take a hit on the gameplay though. Mario and Zelda are both in the early stages. To these people:
Lestant: Your an idiot, new consoles are made to not improve graphics soley, if thats the way you want it, games would be less than half as fun right now. The idea is to use the new power to create new, larger levels, new features, expansion on the world, and then use the left over power to add new graphical detail.
Raslant and Everyone: This could turn out for the better, quit acting like a fanboy. I am dissapointed in Zelda\'s graphics also. Give them time. Sooner or later, someone is going to hit that Miaymoto fool on the head and wake him up. Japs screw everything up. Give the next Zelda to Capcom. They rule.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Sure, we would have all pefered it as wishing it looked better, it does not take a hit on the gameplay though. Mario and Zelda are both in the early stages. To these people:
Lestant: Your an idiot, new consoles are made to not improve graphics soley, if thats the way you want it, games would be less than half as fun right now. The idea is to use the new power to create new, larger levels, new features, expansion on the world, and then use the left over power to add new graphical detail.
Raslant and Everyone: This could turn out for the better, quit acting like a fanboy. I am dissapointed in Zelda\'s graphics also. Give them time. Sooner or later, someone is going to hit that Miaymoto fool on the head and wake him up. Japs screw everything up. Give the next Zelda to Capcom. They rule.
Ok just cause we are dissapointed in zelda graphics we fanboy??!!?! Okay that makes sense. ;) ;)
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Bassically thats it, you\'ve been flaming it a lot since the first page, why stop now?
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Lestant: Your an idiot, new consoles are made to not improve graphics soley, if thats the way you want it, games would be less than half as fun right now. The idea is to use the new power to create new, larger levels, new features, expansion on the world, and then use the left over power to add new graphical detail.
first of all..spell my name right...secondly..your mother is an idiot....i stated my opinion, i didnt insult you or anyone else in these forums..so dont start...
and thirdly....new consoles arent just about making games more \'fun\'..you sound like you should work for nintendo...
its improvement on the whole....not just graphics...but at the same time..graphics are a main priority..otherwise they wouldnt focus on making a system that could push X number of polys, with sharp looking textures...youre obviously a gaycube supporter because of youre signature, so i wont waste my time arguing with you....go have \'fun\' playing nintendo\'s kiddie games with homosexual character designs like link...
nintendo is dead to me....ive grown up and i dont have \'fun\' playing their kiddie games...just like i dont enjoy playing with he-man or gi joe action figures no more....nintendo clearly stated recently that their target audience is kiddies...they think 10 year olds rule the videogame market..too bad they think this way...but they are a \'family entertainment\' videogame company...they thought last years zelda tech demo was too \'frightening\' so they made link look like a powerpuff girl.....i will not support a company like this...you can if you want to ...i wont..its that simple....
just watch your mouth...no need for personal insults here.
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Originally posted by lestat
first of all..spell my name right...secondly..your mother is an idiot....i stated my opinion, i didnt insult you or anyone else in these forums..so dont start...
and thirdly....new consoles arent just about making games more \'fun\'..you sound like you should work for nintendo...
its improvement on the whole....not just graphics...but at the same time..graphics are a main priority..otherwise they wouldnt focus on making a system that could push X number of polys, with sharp looking textures...youre obviously a gaycube supporter because of youre signature, so i wont waste my time arguing with you....go have \'fun\' playing nintendo\'s kiddie games with homosexual character designs like link...
nintendo is dead to me....ive grown up and i dont have \'fun\' playing their kiddie games...just like i dont enjoy playing with he-man or gi joe action figures no more....nintendo clearly stated recently that their target audience is kiddies...they think 10 year olds rule the videogame market..too bad they think this way...but they are a \'family entertainment\' videogame company...they thought last years zelda tech demo was too \'frightening\' so they made link look like a powerpuff girl.....i will not support a company like this...you can if you want to ...i wont..its that simple....
just watch your mouth...no need for personal insults here.
First off, practice what you preach. You are preaching no name calling and that is exactly what you done. Not to mention, in every one of your arguments you go out of your way to make comments about Link\'s design being "homosexual".
Nintendo is smart . They know there is a huge young audience and this audience will only get bigger as the gaming industry continues to get more and more popular. As long as no one is delivering games for this audience, then they will. They have no reason what so ever to grow up. Infact, they have the best of both worlds. They have their \'hardcore\' fanbase which will buy whatever Nintendo puts out. Then they have the younger audience and the family consumers. Something Sony nor MS have went for , yet it is an important part of the industry. Just like there will always be Disney movies or some company providing family entertainment instead of blood and guts.
You don\'t have to support Nintendo. It doesn\'t matter if you do or not. However, Nintendo\'s business plan is solid and will continue to work out despite Link\'s "homosexual design".
I really wish I could find the link to the report that showed how only one rated \'M\' game made it in the top 20 sales of \'99. These so called "kiddie" games have and always will maintain high sales because of the large young audience.
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Nintendo is a bit kiddish with there pokeman bull. Thats the reason i quit with nintendo but now since my all time fav, Sega has dropped out Sony is good. But they dont know how to make a system that doesnt have bugs in them and they really dont try with there games which pisses me off.
Heres what i think about each developer.
Sony- Horrible games by Sony and lack of commitment to there system. Without 3rd party support the system would die out soon but can handle much and seems to have a good online plan for the most part with the whole broadband deal, the only problem is netcape, there horrible. They will finsh tied for the best 128 bit console with.....
Nintendo- Yes thats right nintendo. The kiddish wussy kiddy system. Well nintendo knows what they are doing, they have been doing this the longest out of the top 4. The are very good in the First-person shooter games and seem to get some help from 3rd party games. But like always nintendo will produce many-a game for its system which most are good. They have what no other 128 bit console has besides Sega, Mascots, and lots of them such as link, mario n lugi, star fox, metriod the list goes on and on, but it basically comes down to if u like those mascots or not, they will Be tied for the best 128 bit console with PS2
XBox- This is the only system i have to say that will not do well at all. For the casual gamer and seldom player this system is for you. Casual gamers go for looks and graphics basically. True it will be the most powerful but with almost every microsoft game using the quake 3 engine it will get old fast. Not too much 3rd party support here and no history to work off of so they cannot correct there mistakes like nintendo sega and sony can. They will finsh last in the 128 bit console race.
Sega- Well now that production has stopped and now the cheapest 128 bit system to own this is a great choice. The online setup is very nicely done and many great games have came from that system. They had to be the first ones out of the gate and they delievered what was expected from them, a great job by segas part...its just a shame they had to stop making systems :( they take 2nd in the 128 bit console race
Mostly opinionated but some facts, feel free to comment how ever you like.
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Ok so what If the new Zelda game sucks the Big one !
there is still a whole heap of great correction Superb games due for relase on the NGC
Like
Perfect Dark 2
Metroid
etc etc etc .......
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
First off, practice what you preach. You are preaching no name calling and that is exactly what you done. Not to mention, in every one of your arguments you go out of your way to make comments about Link\'s design being "homosexual".
hey....ill insult back whoever insults me first cause im not a p-ssy...
plus..insulting link\'s new look is ok..cause link is not a member of this forum....
but anyhow, im tired of this argument...it was cool at first but now its boring....
TO ME, it doesnt matter how much money nintendo makes or doesnt...its about what i take out of it....and what impact their games make on me....nintendo doesnt impact me anymore...unfortunately....but they impact the younger audience and the \'hardcore gamers\' that buy any game that nintendo makes...so good for them..i wish i could feel the same, but i dont...IF nintendo would release ALL types of games on their console, then i wouldnt be sooo pist about zelda\'z journey into kiddie land...but its the fact their focusing on not allowing any \'mature\' games that may frighten kids away be released on their console....so i hate them for that decision..i wish nintendo could be like sony or microsoft or sega and just take advantage of their new systems to make games of ALL genres...but theyre not cause they have to keep their family image...so, thats why theyre dead to me.....
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Originally posted by square_marker
Nintendo is a bit kiddish with there pokeman bull. Thats the reason i quit with nintendo but now since my all time fav, Sega has dropped out Sony is good. But they dont know how to make a system that doesnt have bugs in them and they really dont try with there games which pisses me off.
Heres what i think about each developer.
Sony- Horrible games by Sony and lack of commitment to there system. Without 3rd party support the system would die out soon but can handle much and seems to have a good online plan for the most part with the whole broadband deal, the only problem is netcape, there horrible. They will finsh tied for the best 128 bit console with.....
Nintendo- Yes thats right nintendo. The kiddish wussy kiddy system. Well nintendo knows what they are doing, they have been doing this the longest out of the top 4. The are very good in the First-person shooter games and seem to get some help from 3rd party games. But like always nintendo will produce many-a game for its system which most are good. They have what no other 128 bit console has besides Sega, Mascots, and lots of them such as link, mario n lugi, star fox, metriod the list goes on and on, but it basically comes down to if u like those mascots or not, they will Be tied for the best 128 bit console with PS2
XBox- This is the only system i have to say that will not do well at all. For the casual gamer and seldom player this system is for you. Casual gamers go for looks and graphics basically. True it will be the most powerful but with almost every microsoft game using the quake 3 engine it will get old fast. Not too much 3rd party support here and no history to work off of so they cannot correct there mistakes like nintendo sega and sony can. They will finsh last in the 128 bit console race.
Sega- Well now that production has stopped and now the cheapest 128 bit system to own this is a great choice. The online setup is very nicely done and many great games have came from that system. They had to be the first ones out of the gate and they delievered what was expected from them, a great job by segas part...its just a shame they had to stop making systems :( they take 2nd in the 128 bit console race
Mostly opinionated but some facts, feel free to comment how ever you like.
i disagree...i think sony will reign supreme because of its popularity and its huge 3rd party support....
i think microsoft will be 2nd and very close to a tie with sony because of the fact that bill gates has all the money in the world to invest in the xbox and upgrade it and do whatever it takes to make it a success...even if it means buying sony out..lol
gamecube will be dead last because of the audience they target...
that, plus the lack of 3rd party support will not allow gamecube to succeed as much as sony or microsoft..im not saying theyll fail because, hell, if the n6crap pulled through, then the gaycube will too, but it will never surpass sony and i think in the long run, itll fall behind the newcomer, microsoft, as well...
too bad the dc died, because i loved it and im still buying games for it....i think it was segas best system....the textures are still better than the ps2...and i think they pulled out some great games their first year than sony did its first year.....oh well..atleast we still have them as a 3rd party now...maybe well see nights 2 and another ecco the dolphin running at a solid 60 fps this time...
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Can someone tell me a percentage of the market that children hold compared to adults?
I\'m going to make up a hypothetical situation. Let\'s say that the "kiddie" market is 30% while the mature market is 70%.
Now, let\'s say that MS and Sony split the mature market. That leaves it at 35% for Sony, 35% for MS, and 30% for Nintendo. I honestly don\'t believe that Sony and MS will evenly split that market, and let\'s throw in the fact that the Xbox probably won\'t sell that well in Japan.
So that leaves N.A., Europe, and Japan for Nintendo and Sony, while XBox only gets N.A. and Europe.
That\'s why I don\'t think XBox can get better than third. It really only has two areas to be truly successful in, while in Japan they will have limited success at best.
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I really hate to say this, but the kiddy market is small compared to mainstream. Most of the mainstream people will buy a PS2, Xbox or both.
Y\'all can worry about the 5 percent buying a kiddy machine (no insult Nintendo admits it), I think I will worry more about the other 95 percent.
Remember what happened to the N64, well that may get worse if Nintendo doesn\'t advertise RS2.
Imagine how much would have changed if an xbox jr would have been in the last market, I wouldn\'t even have bothered with the N64 and the two games I bought. :)
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You all seem to forget that some young people will end up getting a ps2 or a x-box. It\'s not like Nintendo has a garauntee to get 100% of the kiddy market. Games like J&D, Klonoa, Crash, and Spyro the Dragon, will have plenty of young people interested. :cool:
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It\'s not like Sony and MS have the mature market guaranteed either, so your point is moot. Eternal Darkness, Too Human, Resident Evil 0, and Perfect Dark 2 will draw mature gamers. And of the titles you listed, 2 or 3 of those titles will be on GC, so it really doesn\'t matter in the end.
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You also forget that some mature people will get the GameCube. And dont say no they wont cause I\'m one of them and I know there are others on these boards that will too
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Originally posted by Docwiz
I really hate to say this, but the kiddy market is small compared to mainstream. Most of the mainstream people will buy a PS2, Xbox or both.
Y\'all can worry about the 5 percent buying a kiddy machine (no insult Nintendo admits it), I think I will worry more about the other 95 percent.
Remember what happened to the N64, well that may get worse if Nintendo doesn\'t advertise RS2.
Imagine how much would have changed if an xbox jr would have been in the last market, I wouldn\'t even have bothered with the N64 and the two games I bought. :)
The kiddy market is small compared to mainstream? That\'s a load of crap, otherwise the N64 wouldn\'t have sold 30 million + consoles. XBox just has the least chance of being in 1st or 2nd place this time. It has more things going against it than the other two consoles, and I already listed what they were in a previous post in this thread.
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I\'m going to make up a hypothetical situation. Let\'s say that the "kiddie" market is 30% while the mature market is 70%. [/B]
Great and where did those figures come from big boy?
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Originally posted by PSR-225
Great and where did those figures come from big boy?
He did say "hypothetical" smart guy. :p
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Originally posted by Nu Gundam
He did say "hypothetical" smart guy. :p
Haha, that was pretty funny, but can anyone give me the stats on how much of the market is "Kiddy" and how much isn\'t?
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they have to make a mature pokemon game. Well....lez say pimpachu!yes a great name indeed! The epic adventure of a pokemon in loves rated X. Or another one could be buttrocket wich you are a member of team rocket and you must save the world from monsters from onimusha and the only weapon you got is your butt and the rockets that shoot out of it rated M.
So...how do you like the ideas for and adult pokemon game?
332 if u like
334 if u dont