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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: AlteredBeast on August 23, 2001, 05:52:58 PM
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my impressions are not too good.
My arcae, being the great arcade it is (getting VF4 and CvsSNK2 next week, too) got Tekken 4 today and I was there (like I\'m not everyday!). I was not too impressed with it.
Needless to say of what I have seen of Virtua Fighter 4 and DOA3, they put this game to shame. I feel like the game runs as smooth as VF3tb, a 5 year old game. The jungle stage with water running through it has a good water effect, but there is NO relfection in the water, merely shine.
The fight club stage does not look or play nearly as cool as it looked in the screenshots released earlier.
Of course I have some issues with the gameplay, since I always thought the series sucked, but it ain\'t impressed me at all.
and, yes, Paul is cheap-o matic. and Steve looks like a freakin Bouncer character with gay pants!
bleh, see for yourself when your shoddy arcade decides to pick it up.
Eric Jacob
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Yea I havent played it but from what I see through screenshots and written articles it just looks so bland. The fighters just dont have that cool sense of style as Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, or Marvel vs. Capcom games. I mean sure, you have realism in Tekken 4 but why do you play video games anyway?
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
my impressions are not too good.
My arcae, being the great arcade it is (getting VF4 and CvsSNK2 next week, too) got Tekken 4 today and I was there (like I\'m not everyday!). I was not too impressed with it.
Needless to say of what I have seen of Virtua Fighter 4 and DOA3, they put this game to shame. I feel like the game runs as smooth as VF3tb, a 5 year old game. The jungle stage with water running through it has a good water effect, but there is NO relfection in the water, merely shine.
The fight club stage does not look or play nearly as cool as it looked in the screenshots released earlier.
Of course I have some issues with the gameplay, since I always thought the series sucked, but it ain\'t impressed me at all.
and, yes, Paul is cheap-o matic. and Steve looks like a freakin Bouncer character with gay pants!
bleh, see for yourself when your shoddy arcade decides to pick it up.
Eric Jacob
Noooooo!!!! say it ain\'t so, damn, another would be contender reduced to mere mortal status... :( damn,... maybe there is time to fix this title up for the PS2 launch... i hope... :sconf:
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Wow thanks for that well thought out review. I never knew eye candy was so important to you people.
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Come on man I know Tekken can\'t be that bad, your just bringing up all the bad stuff about it. There has to be some good stuff in there.......doesn\'t it, oh please tell me Tekken is has some really great things in it.
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Originally posted by GAMES
Come on man I know Tekken can\'t be that bad, your just bringing up all the bad stuff about it. There has to be some good stuff in there.......doesn\'t it, oh please tell me Tekken is has some really great things in it.
Its tekken so it can\'t be that bad. Tekken rules!!!!!!!:thepimp:
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So let me get this straight...you hate Tekken, but you went to the arcade to play Tekken 4 and now we\'re getting a review of it from someone who hates Tekken? Hmm...
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Originally posted by Lynx
Wow thanks for that well thought out review. I never knew eye candy was so important to you people.
I was thinking the same thing. It\'s all about the gameplay. And how many of us actually thought Altered would like the gameplay anyways? He has always been more of a Virtua Fighter player.
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Originally posted by IronFist
It\'s all about the gameplay .
Well said Ironfist.
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Originally posted by GAMES
Well said Ironfist.
I know that gameplay is the most important thing to a game, but the graphics also play a major role...
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I never really liked the character designs for tekken much either. But i have to say it is one of the most challneging fighting games I have ever tried to master. Every time you get to a new level of play you discover more. That\'s why it has kept me as a fan. I\'ve seen the screen shots and while the graphics look nice, they arn\'t anything special for this generation, but that\'s never what tekken has been anyways. I never looked at any of the tekken games and said damn that looks good. I just played it and really enjoyed it. I really like this idea of wall as well, though it was used some in DOA2. Anyways thats my 2 cents.
PS- Has anybody seen the DOA3 ad in PSM. It confused me because it\'s a PS2 mag with a XBOX ad. A mocking of PS2, or a clue of ports to come?
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Originally posted by dbv23
It confused me because it\'s a PS2 mag with a XBOX ad. A mocking of PS2, or a clue of ports to come?
Eh, is that the ad that said something along the lines of "The grass is greener..."? Its more of a mocking of PS2 than anything. There are no plans to port DOA3 to any other consoles.
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Originally posted by dbv23
PS- Has anybody seen the DOA3 ad in PSM. It confused me because it\'s a PS2 mag with a XBOX ad. A mocking of PS2, or a clue of ports to come?
I don\'t remember seeing the ad, but I know PSM is very confident that DoA3 will get ported over to the PS2 in one way or another.
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Hey! 182!
* Nu Gundam noogies 182Ways.
Long time no see. :)
I know it had something to do with the company that was funding PSM or something... They can put any ads they want in there.
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I remember people saying bad thinks about Tekken3 when it was first released too.But I was very satisfyied when I personally playied it.Better than what Ive read and heard from people criticizing it.From the movies I ve downoaded so far I am happy with T4\'s graphics.
And I dont expect from Altered to give us gameplay info we can count on as he has never mastered any Tekken games.
So I expect I ll be happier with Tekken4 than what I hear or read.
BTW:Jin is the coolest character I ve ever seen in any fighting game.Even his winning posses are cool.Just download the video from tekkenzaibatsu.
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chill out guys. I won\'t comment on gameplay, because you guys know how Tekken will play and YOU guys know I don\'t like the gameplay.
And yes, I went to FFC to play T4 because it is new and I give every game a chance, but I don\'t think I will be putting in too many more of my hard earned tokens on that machine.
The graphics are not impressive, you can decide for yourself how you like the gameplay.
gimme a break.
Eric Jacob
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Gameplay wise. If DOA3 and VF4 are like its previous games, we all know that there is no way it can be as good as T4, it wouldnt even be able to compete ( the graphics would be able to .) People have different opinions on this game. You gotta play the game yourself to see if you like it or not. I think the gameplay is ALRIGHT, it still plays like the same tekken so there isnt anything really suprising. The graphics IS impressive ( WHO CARES IF THE WATER DOESNT HAVE REFLECTION? ). Only thing I dont like about it so far is paul\'s d+1 2. We know its cheap but you can get around it, and hopefully it will get fixed in a new version.
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I\'m sorry, but T4 graphics are far from impressive. From the movies / pictures I\'ve seen the graphics will need a serious overhaul before they come home, because they look dated compared to VF4 or DOA3.
As for gameplay, that is all personal taste.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I\'m sorry, but T4 graphics are far from impressive. From the movies / pictures I\'ve seen the graphics will need a serious overhaul before they come home, because they look dated compared to VF4 or DOA3.
As for gameplay, that is all personal taste.
when it comes to game play i prefer tekken over other 3d fighters. as far as graphics go T4 will not be able to produce the same level of detail as vf4 due to the fact that vf4 uses more advanced hardware then T4.
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Originally posted by littleogre
as far as graphics go T4 will not be able to produce the same level of detail as vf4 due to the fact that vf4 uses more advanced hardware then T4.
You are wrong about that. If VF4 looks better than Tekken 4, it is not because of the hardware. In an interview a few months ago, the VF4 team said that the PS2 version of VF4 looked even better than the arcade version. That means that the PS2 hardware is very capable of producing better graphics than what Tekken 4 has shown -- and Tekken 4 Arcade is on a souped-up PS2 with a lot more RAM.
So if the VF4 in the arcade looks better than Tekken 4 in the arcade (souped up PS2), and VF4 on the PS2 (normal PS2) looks better than VF4 in the arcade, it is just a problem with Namco, not the hardware.
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Wow:eek: !!VF4 looks better on PS2?I didnt know that.But doesnt the Naomi2 board have 128MB of VRAM??How did they do that?
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Unicron, because Sega, and more to the point, Yu Suzuki, puts ALOT of time into making their games be the great looking, great playing games that they are.
To tell you the truth, when Namco released the T4 pics, I thought I was seeing VF3tb pics with different pics. And that was on the Model 3 board, 4 years old.
Sega can do alot with the medium they are given. Namco just rushed the product to get it out so it could compete with VF4 in Japan, which it never really had the chance to (look at the charts)
long live Yu Suzuki!
Eric Jacob
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It doesn\'t matter what it looks like, it\'s what it plays like, and it\'ll play like any other Tekken. What does that mean? That it\'ll sell like the other Tekken games. As for the graphics, as long as they\'re better than TTT and it has different arenas then (most) people won\'t mind.
When it comes to the PS2 it should be better than the one you played. It\'ll have slightley better graphics (I think), it\'ll have a story line, you won\'t have to carry on putting those coins in that machine and they\'ll be a mini game. There better be a mini game anyway! If there is, does anybody know what it is?
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None of the tekken games ever had amazing graphics. Tekken rests all of its strengths in the gameplay. As long as Namco didn\'t drastically change the controls, then the game will rock.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I\'m sorry, but T4 graphics are far from impressive. From the movies / pictures I\'ve seen the graphics will need a serious overhaul before they come home, because they look dated compared to VF4 or DOA3.
Go play the game in the cades\', then comment about about the graphics. If you think that is far from impressive then you just dont like tekken, or dont know what good graphics is.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
I know that gameplay is the most important thing to a game, but the graphics also play a major role...
are you serious? they play a major role??? ****ING HELL!!! SOMEONE COULD HAVE TOLD ME
*returns GameBoy Advance to the store*
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Graphics do play their own distinct role.Thats why we get improved hardware as time passes dont we?Ofcourse gameplay is what makes a game trully a game.
BTW:T4 doesnt look dated imo.Its just not perfect(graphically speaking).Tekken4 is the first fighting IMO to include huge free roaming stages.DOA3 is divided into free roaming sections,VF4 is also divided into sections(like DOA2 and 3 you ve got to hit your opponent to a breakable wall repeatedly in order to go further in the backround).I think that makes T4\'s development harder to focus on and better the graphics.
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Well I got my eyez on tekken 4. At wizards arcade down here.(They get every game) And it look a lot like TTT to me. It seemed like you where playing TTT2 or something. Some of the stages looked ok but it did not look anything close to doa3.
I did not play the game I just watched. It had the same old tekken gameplay. Just like others have said if you marked out or TTT then you will mark out for T4.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I did not play the game I just watched. It had the same old tekken gameplay. Just like others have said if you marked out or TTT then you will mark out for T4.
That\'s not what I\'ve heard from people who actually played it. The gameplay is way different now. People are saying it\'s a mix between DOA and Soul Calibur. A lot of people don\'t like the new gameplay because it\'s so different, but others love the gameplay.
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Originally posted by IronFist
That\'s not what I\'ve heard from people who actually played it. The gameplay is way different now. People are saying it\'s a mix between DOA and Soul Calibur. A lot of people don\'t like the new gameplay because it\'s so different, but others love the gameplay.
I guess it just me or something..because it seemed like regular old tekken to me...I sure could not see anything that didn\'t make me think I was looking at the same old tekken. All those game seem the same to me anyways.
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SuupaBuu, you ignorant fool, the graphics really aren\'t that impressive. And by the looks of your posts, you should follow your own advice and play it. Because I am pretty sure you haven\'t.
Don\'t give people advice when you don\'t know first hand what you are talking about.
One stage on Tekken 4 has really shiny floors and it has alot of relection to it, everything reflects into it, excpet the characters. IMO, they could\'ve put alot more work into this game, they just wanted to have it out with VF4, which is MURDERING it!! :) hehehehe
I had to say it.
IronFist - the gameplay, as far as I can tell, and as far as I can see is still the same basically, althoguh it seems as it has been sped up to compete with the bigger arenas.
Unicron - you are forgetting Powerstone, Rival Schools 2, and Dragonball Legends (import), among other games have free roaming arenas. Tekken 4 is not the first.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
IronFist - the gameplay, as far as I can tell, and as far as I can see is still the same basically, althoguh it seems as it has been sped up to compete with the bigger arenas.
I don\'t think that\'s right either. Everyone on TekkenZaibatsu forums and #tekken say the game is a tiny bit slower than previous Tekkens.
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That doesn;t look right to me, although the only chracters I ever see being used, sadly, is Law and Yoshimitsu. And they are rather fast characters.
It may just appear that way. Who knows.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Unicron - you are forgetting Powerstone, Rival Schools 2, and Dragonball Legends (import), among other games have free roaming arenas. Tekken 4 is not the first.
You are right.But what I ment is that the huge free roaming stages make T4\'s development harder to focus on and better the graphics.The added walls,height levels etc ment they had to focus more on the gameplay changes.
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Originally posted by IronFist
I don\'t think that\'s right either. Everyone on TekkenZaibatsu forums and #tekken say the game is a tiny bit slower than previous Tekkens.
If this is true then I am glad.Some of the movies I ve downloaded in Tekken Central looked blindly fast though.But the newer movies from TekkenZaibatsu look like you say.
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Originally posted by IronFist
You are wrong about that. If VF4 looks better than Tekken 4, it is not because of the hardware. In an interview a few months ago, the VF4 team said that the PS2 version of VF4 looked even better than the arcade version. That means that the PS2 hardware is very capable of producing better graphics than what Tekken 4 has shown -- and Tekken 4 Arcade is on a souped-up PS2 with a lot more RAM.
So if the VF4 in the arcade looks better than Tekken 4 in the arcade (souped up PS2), and VF4 on the PS2 (normal PS2) looks better than VF4 in the arcade, it is just a problem with Namco, not the hardware.
i thought the the naomi2 board had several advantages like more ram. i agree the ps2 can produce better graphics then T4 arcade.
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Game play and graphics are inseparable because
if the game play sucks, the graphics won\'t help the game,
yet when the graphics suck and the game play rocks, you
still have people disappointed that the game is fun to play,
but sucks graphically... IMO.
I want T4 to have better graphics then TTT, and have
Better game play ;)
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AlteredBeast. Before you start calling people ignorant fools maybe you should read my previous post, which I mention the gameplay, which should tell you that already played the game at the arcades. PLS dont call people fools.
Maybe I shouldnt use the word impressive for the graphics. Maybe I should say good graphics instead, that is what it is. The shiny stage, good graphics. Wow, this level has bad graphics because everything reflects into it except for the characters :rolleyes:
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I just downloaded the new movie fron tekkenzaibatsu featuring Kazuya doing combos.
Something that impresses me in the movie is the size of some stages.Some of them are small but others are HUGE!!I ve never seen such huge enviroments in any other fighting game.Epsecially the one inside a building and the one in the city.
They look almost limitless.I wonder what happens if you try to move as far as you can into the enviroments.Perhaps someone that has seen or even playied the game could tell me.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I ve never seen such huge enviroments in any other fighting game.Epsecially the one inside a building and the one in the city.
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* Nu Gundam looks at his DOA3 movies again.
... Mmm hmm...
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Originally posted by Nu Gundam
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* Nu Gundam looks at his DOA3 movies again.
... Mmm hmm...
The only footage I ve seen so far from DOA3 was from CNN.It is still divided into sections.
In Tekken4 you can look at the distance and see no ending.
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The forest stage isn\'t divided into sections. The stage with the city, the beach, and the stage with the waterfall aren\'t divided into sections either.
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I havent noticed that.Then I am impressed with DOA3 more then.
I wonder how huge are the stages though.What happens if you try to exlpore the enviroments as far as you can?