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Title: Sega GT 2002 screens(XBOX)...
Post by: GAMES on August 27, 2001, 11:27:27 AM
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Looks good for being in early development.The cars already have some reflection.:) .I hope it doesn\'t play like the first one for Dreamcast .I didn\'t like it
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Post by: ho3j on August 27, 2001, 12:17:22 PM
If you haven\'t seen the movies then you really haven\'t seen anything.  They are absolutely worth the download.

http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/news/video/japanese/010827update/segagt2.mov

http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/news/video/japanese/010827update/segagt1.movp
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Post by: Stupid Mop on August 27, 2001, 12:51:00 PM
Not looking as good as GT3. But as you said it is still early in development
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Post by: datamage on August 27, 2001, 01:00:28 PM
Looking good already. Leave it to SEGA to take advantage of the hardware. I just hope it plays better than the first one. I hated the control.

/ dm /
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Post by: rastalant on August 27, 2001, 01:42:15 PM
Looks good..........real good.:)
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Post by: JP on August 27, 2001, 01:50:42 PM
Looks very early but promising
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Post by: AlteredBeast on August 27, 2001, 06:52:49 PM
Looking good, already the backrounds are looking cleaner than the GT3 muck! :)

I liked the control of the first one after I got used to it, way too much ice for no reason :)


Eric Jacob
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Post by: ddaryl on August 27, 2001, 07:26:42 PM
ummm what backgrounds ????

there isn\'t much of a background in those shots for anything to really be compared to or distinguished from


typical
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Post by: AlteredBeast on August 27, 2001, 07:35:36 PM
typical?

go watch the ****ing movie.

the stands don\'t look like cardboard. The padded blocks look like they have textures on them, the red and white sidemarkers are clear as day.

Damn you are hilarious.


typical, nahhhhhhhhhhhh.


Eric Jacob
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 27, 2001, 08:05:03 PM
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there isn\'t much of a background in those shots for anything to really be compared to or distinguished from


typical



CHill Out Man!!!!
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Post by: datamage on August 27, 2001, 09:37:19 PM
Actually I agree with Ddaryl. Hate to burst your bubble Mr. SEGA, but the backgrounds are plain as hell. I\'m sure the final game will look great and it looks awesome now, but it\'s still on the plain side. The textures are nice and crisp, but like ddaryl said, there\'s not much there.

After seeing the movie, I don\'t like the way the cars move. It looks like they\'re pasted on the floor. But again, it\'s still early.

/ dm /
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Post by: JP on August 27, 2001, 10:21:11 PM
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Looking good, already the backrounds are looking cleaner than the GT3 muck! :)

I liked the control of the first one after I got used to it, way too much ice for no reason :)


Eric Jacob


:rolleyes:

This game does not look better than GT3 yet IMO.
And yes, I saw the movie, it looked good.
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Post by: Samwise on August 28, 2001, 05:48:48 AM
Looks good! I\'m anxious to see what SEGA can do with Xbox. :)
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Post by: AlteredBeast on August 28, 2001, 06:26:37 AM
riiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhttt, so you guys are agreeing with me? SegaGT2\'s textures look crisper. thanks for the agreement.


Eric Jacob
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Post by: Seed_Of_Evil on August 28, 2001, 08:32:49 AM
Yeah, they suck. When this title comes out, GT4 will be also out, with better graphics, more cars, and online mode. GT will be again the KING!
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 28, 2001, 11:06:35 AM
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Yeah, they suck. When this title comes out, GT4 will be also out, with better graphics


Better graPHICS!!!! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING????? PP said they had maxed out the PS2. Also XBOX is much much more powerful than psx2, it can handle better textures, more poly\'s and and real-time effects unlike GT3 for PS2.

If Sega spends a good amount of development time on SEGA gt for XBOX it will blow GT4 away in the graphics department, just like PG is doing.

As for gameplay only time will tell, but I have faith in SEGA, hopefully they pull through.
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Post by: IronFist on August 28, 2001, 11:51:10 AM
Just so you know, GT4 hasn\'t even been announced yet.  The only new GT game that has been announced is GT online -- which most likely will be GT3 with an online feature.
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 28, 2001, 11:53:49 AM
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which most likely will be GT3 with an online feature.





Now that would be fun to play, but if SOny allows 56k users to go aganist cable or DSL users, that would suck.
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Post by: ddaryl on August 28, 2001, 01:59:23 PM
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riiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhttt, so you guys are agreeing with me? SegaGT2\'s textures look crisper. thanks for the agreement.


Eric Jacob



snapo out of it for just a tiny second ALtered Beast.  I know you cannot actually think that their is something in these shots or the movie thast distinguishes itself from GT3 in  much of anyway

Your entitled to an opinion, but its painfully obvious that your wish for any Sega product to stand out over anything else particulalry PS2 regardless of system  is clouding your ability to make a rational statement based on obvious truths

Nothing at allin  these Sega GT screens does much of anything to show up anything else. The textures are ok, but nothing jaw dropping, the backgrounds are plain and there are  lots of  flat textures . Signs are blurry

and the shot of the stadium has a great lookto it, but it still does very little if anything to distinguish itself from GT3



So now for the real question Altered Beast

What the hell has you all of a sudden acting like a jerk. You\'ve seem to have recouped some of that old  attitude you use to throw around here  ???
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Post by: rastalant on August 28, 2001, 02:53:12 PM
I thought the first sega gt was awesome.  I mean I got use to it like in 10 min or something.  I look forward too the xbox version.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Post by: Unicron! on August 28, 2001, 03:06:57 PM
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Better graPHICS!!!! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING????? PP said they had maxed out the PS2. Also XBOX is much much more powerful than psx2, it can handle better textures, more poly\'s and and real-time effects unlike GT3 for PS2.

If Sega spends a good amount of development time on SEGA gt for XBOX it will blow GT4 away in the graphics department, just like PG is doing.

As for gameplay only time will tell, but I have faith in SEGA, hopefully they pull through.


They didnt say they maxed out the PS2 with GT3....You seem to understand only what you want.PD said thats what they could do with GT3 on PS2 at the moment.Find the link and read more carefully.
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Post by: AlteredBeast on August 28, 2001, 04:44:17 PM
ddaryl, datamage agreed with what I said, about the textures.

Is he being biased, too? I am just saying, the GT3 backround textures are much, these look crisper.


You guys seem to get harder and harder to satisfy. ALl I remember was Sega GT had cpu AI that wasn\'t droned like GT3.


Eric Jacob
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Post by: ddaryl on August 28, 2001, 06:32:23 PM
I have to be honest at this stage of Sega GT development I can\'t say I see much difference in Texture clarity

I do believe Sega GT will look considerably better by the time it ends its development, but from these screens and the movie at Gamespot I\'m not really noticing it. , and I\'m really straining to.
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Post by: GmanJoe on August 31, 2001, 04:01:14 AM
I watched the movie. Impressive except for one thing : the cars seemed exceptionally light. As in "No Weight".

No way an RX-7 could make a 180 turn on pavenment and grass and not slide backwards with all that momentum! The thing made a dead stop!

Needs more tweaking. Looks good so far.

Remember, Xbox is a newer technology than PS2. It better be better! :D
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 31, 2001, 04:15:18 AM
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They didnt say they maxed out the PS2 with GT3....You seem to understand only what you want.PD said thats what they could do with GT3 on PS2 at the moment.


fair enough greenbow! it doesn’t really matter the next gt will not and can not look better than the next top-notch xbox racer that will come out around the same time. Xbox is just way more powerful than ps2.

Anyhow if SEGA puts alot of development time and money into this game they can get it to play just as good or maybe even better than gt3. This will all depend on weather sega is dedicated enough to make this game play better than gt3, obviously it will be better graphical wise, but will sega be motivated enough to make this game surpass GT3 gameplay wise???????

I hope they don\'t rush this one, and work long and hard on it, although i\'m betting it\'s going to be released sometime in 2002, which if they do means they didn\'t spend enough time, unless they pull a rabbit out of there hat.
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Post by: BizioEE on August 31, 2001, 06:07:39 AM
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fair enough greenbow! it doesn’t really matter the next gt will not and can not look better than the next top-notch xbox racer that will come out around the same time. Xbox is just way more powerful than ps2.


No one said the next GT will look better than the next top-notch Xbox racer...it\'s obvious...Xbox has better hardware...

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Anyhow if SEGA puts alot of development time and money into this game they can get it to play just as good or maybe even better than gt3. This will all depend on weather sega is dedicated enough to make this game play better than gt3, obviously it will be better graphical wise, but will sega be motivated enough to make this game surpass GT3 gameplay wise???????


:eek: ...play better?  or play different?...SegaGT 2002 won\'t be a GT clone...they are two different games...they are not comparable!  I\'m sure the sega racer will have a great gameplay but the game experience will be different...more in the "arcade style" !  It\'s a matter of taste...and it\'s difficult,in general,to say...this gameplay is better than the other...it\'s more...I prefer this game experience rather than the other...

...and what about graphics...sure the sega one will push more polys with better texturing,lighting,shading etc but don\'t forget the realism,how the cars move and turn in a credible way...I mean...try to half-close your eyes when you\'re watching GT3...it seems a real race !
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Post by: Unicron! on August 31, 2001, 06:16:31 AM
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fair enough greenbow! it doesn’t really matter the next gt will not and can not look better than the next top-notch xbox racer that will come out around the same time. Xbox is just way more powerful than ps2.

Anyhow if SEGA puts alot of development time and money into this game they can get it to play just as good or maybe even better than gt3. This will all depend on weather sega is dedicated enough to make this game play better than gt3, obviously it will be better graphical wise, but will sega be motivated enough to make this game surpass GT3 gameplay wise???????

I hope they don\'t rush this one, and work long and hard on it, although i\'m betting it\'s going to be released sometime in 2002, which if they do means they didn\'t spend enough time, unless they pull a rabbit out of there hat.


How do you know?Are you a developer??

You are so absolut in multi-platform discussions.You just try to find an excuse to make the PS2 look like a "cheap" console.I explained you that they havent maxed up the PS2 and yet you find another stupid excuse to underestimate it.

You ll use the best words about XBOX but almost everytime the worst about PS2 games.
XBOX isnt the most perfect console because its graphically the most superior.
Dreamcast is the weakest but it\'s got some of the greatest games.
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 31, 2001, 12:13:01 PM
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You are so absolut in multi-platform discussions.You just try to find an excuse to make the PS2 look like a "cheap" console.I explained you that they havent maxed up the PS2 and yet you find another stupid excuse to underestimate it.

You ll use the best words about XBOX but almost everytime the worst about PS2 games.


That\'s cause PS2 was a rushed out peice of hardware just like Teken 4!!!!!!!!!!! I mean look at GT3 no matter how high the poly count the image has a rough look to it, just read my sig. Also I own Gt3 and I can tell you that it is the best looking ps2 game but the graphics do not have a silky smooth look to them, compared the say PG.  

Gt3 is a good sim, I just wonder what sega will do in order to make there game more appealing game-play wise.


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You ll use the best words about XBOX but almost everytime the worst about PS2 games.


Not true I have put the xbox down many times before, there are quite a few things about xbox that I am very dissapointed with. I\'m probably going to get GC before I get XBOX.
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Post by: Unicron! on August 31, 2001, 12:38:21 PM
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That\'s cause PS2 was a rushed out peice of hardware just like Teken 4!!!!!!!!!!! I mean look at GT3 no matter how high the poly count the image has a rough look to it, just read my sig. Also I own Gt3 and I can tell you that it is the best looking ps2 game but the graphics do not have a silky smooth look to them, compared the say PG.  

Gt3 is a good sim, I just wonder what sega will do in order to make there game more appealing game-play wise.




Not true I have put the xbox down many times before, there are quite a few things about xbox that I am very dissapointed with. I\'m probably going to get GC before I get XBOX.


a)Rushed out peice?Thats what exactly Sony Haters were saying when the console was launched.
Rushed out peice?With games like FFX,MGS2,GT3,SH2,AC4,SC2,J&D,RE4,SR2 etc????I dont think so.

Team Ninja.From Tecmo.The same people that said DOA2 utilises PS2\'s full power.Rrriight.It also depends when they said that.
GT3 doesnt look rough to me.I see an ad of the game and every time I look at it I forgot its the same ad I saw before.Because its realistic.Almost like the real think.And super smooth.

I wonder if you indeed own GT3.Yet a PS2.If you beleive PS2 isnt very good and that its a rushed out peice of  hardware etc etc(...) why did you buy it?

You say "Gt3 is a good sim, I just wonder what sega will do in order to make there game more appealing game-play wise."
You wonder.You dont know.......

b)I would like to hear what things about XBOX disapoint you.Or are you trying  not to look like the XBOX fanatic you are??
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Post by: Unicron! on August 31, 2001, 12:43:24 PM
BTW:tomorrow I am living to Crete for army training.I ll be missing for 4 months.So I wont be seeing your replies.:(
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 31, 2001, 12:53:21 PM
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why did you buy it?


Cause I got caught in SONy\'s lies, I regreat buying one now with systems like XBOX and GameCube comming out.  i MEAN IT\'S A SHAME WHEN i OWNED A dc AND MY FIRST GEN PSX2 GAMES DIDN\'T EVEN LOOK BETTER, sheshhhhh

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You say "Gt3 is a good sim, I just wonder what sega will do in order to make there game more appealing game-play wise."
You wonder.You dont know.......


WOW! thank you for repeating what I just said, Bravo!! you can read


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I would like to hear what things about XBOX disapoint you.Or are you trying not to look like the XBOX fanatic you are??





DO you really, I could right a whole page based on the things that I dislike about XBOX. Heck if you had been reading these forums for a while you would have seen some of my posts *****ing about the xbox.


Dude XBOX is not perfect, it has it flaws like any other console, the only difference is it beats ps2 in every aspect. Better graphics, way, way better sound chip, alot more potential for better gameplay(due to the HDD) play\'s progressive dvd, has an ethernetport included with the system etc.......... it just beats PS2 out of the water plain and simple.

So yah My psx2 will get used for games like MGS2, GT3(which is getting quite boring, i mean I have GT2) devil may cry and maybe one other.
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Post by: Unicron! on August 31, 2001, 01:42:07 PM
Thank God you replied soon

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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing

Cause I got caught in SONy\'s lies, I regreat buying one now with systems like XBOX and GameCube comming out.  i MEAN IT\'S A SHAME WHEN i OWNED A dc AND MY FIRST GEN PSX2 GAMES DIDN\'T EVEN LOOK BETTER, sheshhhhh


Sony lied about PS2....why do you still buy PS2 games??
Sell your PS2  then.It couldnt do better than a DC could it?It doesnt mean anything that it blows DC away graphically now doesnt it?But it means a lot to you that the DC had better games when PS2 was in its infancy?Sounds logical,NOT.:rolleyes:

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WOW! thank you for repeating what I just said, Bravo!! you can read


Because you hope it doesnt mean anything.There.[/quote]


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DO you really, I could right a whole page based on the things that I dislike about XBOX. Heck if you had been reading these forums for a while you would have seen some of my posts *****ing about the xbox.


I hevnt seen any.Thats why I am asking.Isnt it logical?I dont visit Console Debating as much as the Main Forum.


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Dude XBOX is not perfect, it has it flaws like any other console, the only difference is it beats ps2 in every aspect. Better graphics, way, way better sound chip, alot more potential for better gameplay(due to the HDD) play\'s progressive dvd, has an ethernetport included with the system etc.......... it just beats PS2 out of the water plain and simple.
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Its got flaws but you havent refered to any of them.Not a single one.But you mention countless advantages.BTW I dont think you are going to buy a GC either then?No DVD?Not as good Graphics as XBOX?No HDD?No ethernet port?..etc?

Because you dont like PS2 for these reasons you wont like GC?

Also PS2 is a console.Sony made it that way so only if you want you ll turn it into PC:)

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So yah My psx2 will get used for games like MGS2, GT3(which is getting quite boring, i mean I have GT2) devil may cry and maybe one other.


What?You havent read about people complaining GT3 is GT2 just shinier?Your fault.You shouldnt have bought it:rolleyes:.Are these the only good games the console is going to get?
The games that are coming to PS2 are enough to make PS2 owners happy.Arent you a PS2 owner?

I dont see you often in the main forum......
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 31, 2001, 02:48:21 PM
you don\'t see me in the main forum, cause I have no interest there. MGS2 will be fun to play, so will devil may cry. SO really i see no need for me to post in the main forum, cause most of the games for ps2 don\'t interest me. Remember just cause i don\'t post in the main forums dosen\'t mean that I don\'t go there and read the threads, cause i do.

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hevnt seen any.Thats why I am asking.Isnt it logical?I dont visit Console Debating as much as the Main Forum


Fair enough.

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Because you hope it doesnt mean anything.There


????????you have me totally confussed??????

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Sony lied about PS2....why do you still buy PS2 games??


I don\'t. The only games I own for psx2 is GT3 and ssx. I will rent MGS2 and beat it and I probably buy devil may cry.

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It doesnt mean anything that it blows DC away graphically now doesnt it?But it means a lot to you that the DC had better games when PS2 was in its infancy?


No see my point here was that psx2 was suppossed to be 10x times more powerful than DC, yet the DC games still graphically looked better than first gen psx2 games.  PS2 was all HYPE man!
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Post by: Terry Bogard on August 31, 2001, 03:01:45 PM
Well, from the looks of it, Ogodly has proved you guys wrong again. Alterbeast is correct on his statements also, i fully belive what he said. Now as for GT3 being King, well, GT3 won\'t be king, because that game is a PATHETIC waste of money IMO. I\'d rather play TXRO, which is 10x more fun. GT3 gets dull after playing it for 2 hrs str8t. I\'m about to sell my copy. Now, back on Subject, Sega GT on XB looks awesome, but it is hard to say if the movie is actual gameplay, when it looks like PRE RENDERED to me. Who knows I\'m prolly wrong, and way to lazy to get a link about it. Anyways, Ogodly, i lost your Yahoopager name, can you get it to me?
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Post by: NVIDIA256 on August 31, 2001, 03:14:20 PM
I agree with darkgammer, I mean Ogodly get\'s **** on alot of the times just becuase he calls it like it is. People call him an xbox fanboy when in fact it\'s just the opposite. I come in these forums to read the threads everyday, and from what i have seen ogodly is one of the most level headed memebers here, and this is comming from a big time PS2 fan here. I have seen him complimetn may times the Gamecube and ps2 when deserved. Even though I love my PS2 I can at least admit that XBOX will put my system to shame both gameplay and graphic wise, espically when xbox get\'s well ground with it\'s second gen games, which should by then really be taking advantage of the HDD

oh well I will milk out my ps2 till xbox comes out.

As for SEGAGT, it will be intersting to see what the final product will look and play like. Oh and darkgammer those video are real-time and are not pre-rendered. Segagt is still in early development and those video\'s are a early build of the game.
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Post by: Unicron! on August 31, 2001, 03:38:40 PM
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
you don\'t see me in the main forum, cause I have no interest there. MGS2 will be fun to play, so will devil may cry. SO really i see no need for me to post in the main forum, cause most of the games for ps2 don\'t interest me. Remember just cause i don\'t post in the main forums dosen\'t mean that I don\'t go there and read the threads, cause i do.


Thats why I tell you.Sell it.Why give £300 for a console that has a couple of games that interest you while you can get an XBOX at the same price with more advandages and games you like.

I said I dont see you often in the main forums.Not never.



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????????you have me totally confussed??????

You pretty had me confused too when you mentioned SegaGT out of nowhere when you quoted me.It just didnt fit with my post you quoted.


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I don\'t. The only games I own for psx2 is GT3 and ssx. I will rent MGS2 and beat it and I probably buy devil may cry.

GT3 is a new game.You recently bought it.I thought you were disapointed with PS2 long time before...


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No see my point here was that psx2 was suppossed to be 10x times more powerful than DC, yet the DC games still graphically looked better than first gen psx2 games.  PS2 was all HYPE man!


Looked.Not look.Was supposed.Not is.I can imagine GT3 running on a DC.
Also you are comparing when PS2 was in its infancy and developers were confused with PS2\'s architecture.
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Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 31, 2001, 03:43:10 PM
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Also you are comparing when PS2 was in its infancy and developers were confused with PS2\'s architecture.


I\'m well aware of that, that\'s just my point they rushed out the ps2, when they should have waited longer, and give developers more time, instead of putting out half-assed games.

LIke I said before I really like nintendo\'s philopshy, "do it right the first time, no matter how long it takes"

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GT3 is a new game.You recently bought it.I thought you were disapointed with PS2 long time before


Yep, but GT3 had so much hype going for it, as well as eye candy rough graphics. If gt3 had online play with cable, than that would be pimp!!!!!!!
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Post by: Unicron! on August 31, 2001, 04:03:19 PM
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing

I\'m well aware of that, that\'s just my point they rushed out the ps2, when they should have waited longer, and give developers more time, instead of putting out half-assed games.

LIke I said before I really like nintendo\'s philopshy, "do it right the first time, no matter how long it takes"


But what you see now doesnt make up for its rushed release??GT3 was delayed for improvements and so are the newer games.

I prefer nintendo\'s philosophy too.But some games as launch titles were good.Like TTT.But only as launch titles.I was disapointed with some launch games too but because some developers were lazy didnt mean the PS2 couldnt do better or offer better in the future.

Anyways I repeat what we see now is totally different from the past.

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Yep, but GT3 had so much hype going for it, as well as eye candy rough graphics. If gt3 had online play with cable, than that would be pimp!!!!!!!


Online GT3 would be great.As you said though better do it right.I dont think it would  have been a wise decision if they rushed their online network.They could have delayed GT3 more though.But overdelayed I dont think would be wise either.
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Post by: datamage on August 31, 2001, 04:06:22 PM
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Even though I love my PS2 I can at least admit that XBOX will put my system to shame both gameplay and graphic wise


Nvidia: I almost took your post seriously until that statement. You can say all you want about how the X-box will have better graphics (it better and should) than the PS2, but gameplay? The \'power\' of the system means nothing when it comes to that category, and you\'re basing this on what? Cause it has a HD? Nope, try again. All the games I run on my PC use a HD. :rolleyes:

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LIke I said before I really like nintendo\'s philopshy, "do it right the first time, no matter how long it takes"


Ogodly: If that were true, the N64 wouldn\'t be the pile of **** it is today.

/ dm /
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Post by: Jumpman on August 31, 2001, 04:13:48 PM
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Ogodly: If that were true, the N64 wouldn\'t be the pile of **** it is today.

/ dm /

You forgot to add \'IMO\'.
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on August 31, 2001, 04:22:54 PM
this looks ohhhhh so similar to what GT3 looked like in its early development stages...
Title: Sega GT 2002 screens(XBOX)...
Post by: datamage on August 31, 2001, 04:23:26 PM
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You forgot to add \'IMO\'.


Very true. In my haste, I forgot to throw that in there. Good looking out. :)

/ dm /
Title: Sega GT 2002 screens(XBOX)...
Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 31, 2001, 04:24:59 PM
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All the games I run on my PC use a HD.  


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NOPE here is where you are wrong. The HDD in the xbox is used much more differently than the way pc games are used. MS will use the HDD to stream data on and off.  The built-in hard drive is one of the strongest features of the Xbox and will help take the world into a revolutionary gaming era
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here read this before you play off the HDD

from MSXBOX

Data CacheMore Textures - Low Load Times:
The hard drive can also be used as a texture cache to store extra textures, so that Xbox games will have the most diverse and rich textures possible. When you\'re playing on a level, data of the next level and the previous level will be streamed and stored on the hard drive. When you access them, they will just pop up right on the screen for you, in other words; minimal load time.


More Textures - no Load Times:
The hard drive can also be used as a texture cache to store extra textures, so that Xbox games will have the most diverse and rich textures possible. When you\'re playing on a level, data of the next level and the previous level will be streamed and stored on the hard drive. When you access them, they will just pop up right on the screen for you, in other words you wont even know the level loaded it\'s intergrated into the game.


Rewritability
Rewritability is the constant exchange and saving of game data. The hard drive can do an excellent job of modifications. What does this mean? Well, we\'ll see hair, grass, trees that grow over time. Imagine the corpses of the enemies start to decay in an hour or two rather than just laying there or "vaporizing" as seen in the current generation of games. Or imagine the bullets you shot at a wall are still there when you revisit the level, two days later! Starts to sound interesting, eh?

etc........there\'s alot more the hdd can do, but i don\'t want to take up this whole page.


The HDD will make a big difference in gameplay, just imagine a game like shenmue on xbox and what sega can do with the hdd with a game like shenmue,  this is something sony can\'t touch and you can bet your ass SONY\'s next gen system will have a HDD built in. Therefore NVIDIA256 has a very strong point about how the HDD in the XBOX will change the way people game.
Title: Sega GT 2002 screens(XBOX)...
Post by: datamage on August 31, 2001, 04:34:20 PM
Ogodly,

I couldn\'t care less what they say the HD will do or won\'t do. I\'ll believe it, and I will care, when I see them doing it. After all, Sony promised so many things with the PS2. If in the end they achieve what they promised, then more power to them. I hope it becomes a reality, a HD is a great addition to a console. However, promises are usually broken.

btw - the texture/data streaming doesn\'t equate to better gameplay IMO. Just prettier visuals. Now the idea of a world changing is something else. Regardless, if they don\'t use these revolutionary features in PC games, why would they in the console world? We have HDs in the PC world that can transfer ~100mb/sec and yet load times are still f\'cked up.

/ dm /
Title: Sega GT 2002 screens(XBOX)...
Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 31, 2001, 04:47:10 PM
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I\'ll believe it, and I will care, when I see them doing it. After all, Sony promised so many things with the PS2. If in the end they achieve what they promised, then more power to them. I hope it becomes a reality, a HD is a great addition to a console. However, promises are usually broken.


You have got to be kidding me right? The hardware is there, it\'s up for developers to use it. Some of the launch games for xbox are already using some of the HDD features, also most games already for the xbox are using the no load time feature. The HDD will be heavily taken advantage of with the second wave of next gen games. Developers right now aren’t taping it out to the max cause they have a deadline to meet for the xbox. It\'s like SONY\'s ps2, the first gen games were ****, Why? Cause dev\'s need more time to get familiar with the system and their games. I mean how to you think project ego is going to work???That game would be impossible create without the HDD, and that is what makes project ego such a special game with the HDD it has allowed peter montok(sorry I misspelled his name) to take his game and his teams talents to the next level, something developers can not do on the ps2.


If XBOX didn\'t have the HDD then MS would be wasting there time with XBOX.   J.allired said of the most important features when designing xbox was the HDD, they told Bill gates that without it XBOX would stand out to be nothing more special than PS2, and that they would not go through with the XBOX plan without it. Bill gates looked into the matter and agreed that the HDD was indeed an extremely important factor regarding XBOX\'s success.

Why do you think that Sega wants to make SHenmue 3 on XBOX.  Cause it\'s the perfect platform to creat the game on. if you read my previous post on the adbvantages od the HDD you will see the potential for a game like shenmue and many others.
Title: Sega GT 2002 screens(XBOX)...
Post by: datamage on August 31, 2001, 04:55:15 PM
Ogodly,

I never said the Xbox didn\'t have a HD. I said I will believe it\'s important when they make use of it. And I mean good use of it. If all X-box games will have 0 load-time, then that\'s great. But I have yet to see that. I think you misunderstood my post. I know the HD can be a great thing, but will they actually use it is the question. And that\'s something that you can assume and hope all you want, but the proof will be in the pudding.

And it\'s Peter Molyneux. ;)

/ dm /
Title: Sega GT 2002 screens(XBOX)...
Post by: TheOgodlyThing on August 31, 2001, 04:57:48 PM
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And that\'s something that you can assume and hope all you want, but the proof will be in the pudding.


We already have solid proof of it\'s great use---Peter Molyneux--->project ego

and you can bet any other top quality future xbox game will use it big time. I\'m not saying every game developer will use it to the greastest extent, but those top developers, when they make a flag ship game you can beat that they will design the game with the hdd in mind just like our friend peter.
Title: Sega GT 2002 screens(XBOX)...
Post by: BizioEE on September 01, 2001, 12:05:23 AM
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Originally posted by DaRkGaMeR
Well, from the looks of it, Ogodly has proved you guys wrong again.


Wrong?  about?  ...so his opinion is right and the opinions of the other members are wrong ?  Can an opinion be right or wrong ?...a game could be the best for someone and a little boring for some other...

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 Alterbeast is correct on his statements also, i fully belive what he said. Now as for GT3 being King, well, GT3 won\'t be king, because that game is a PATHETIC waste of money IMO. I\'d rather play TXRO, which is 10x more fun.


Altered expressed his opinion about GT3...I\'ve expressed my opinion about GT3...everyone expresses an opinion...and sure all our opinions are not right or wrong...they\'re just opinions...are you able to understand it?
Pathetic Waste of money? maybe for you :laughing:
...your moronic presence here is the only pathetic thing :D

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GT3 gets dull after playing it for 2 hrs str8t. I\'m about to sell my copy.


You get bored after playing it for 2 hours...it\'s your opinion...do you remember...
...I\'m sure you can\'t get a gold even in 2 hours...only my opinion :laughing:
Title: Sega GT 2002 screens(XBOX)...
Post by: Unicron! on September 01, 2001, 12:14:45 AM
OOps posted in the wrong thried
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Post by: Ethan_Hunt on September 01, 2001, 10:22:33 AM
Yeah doesnt look to bad,considering it is early, i mean do you remeber what GT3 looked like early in development? also the backgrounds in GT3 looked terrable until late into development, so i think this could be one to watch!
p.s i am not bashing  GT3, i love the game to piece, just incase someone took my post the wrong way:D