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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: GAMES on August 28, 2001, 03:35:53 PM
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:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: That\'s the sh** I\'ve been waiting for :D
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I am not interested in this game at all. It looks stupid as hell.
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
I am not interested in this game at all. It looks stupid as hell.
and Pikmin does?
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Yes. Pikmin does interest me alot. I am getting it for gamecube.
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That game looks great for a ps2 game.
How can you say this game looks stupid? Thats just like saying mario is stupid.
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I thought Naughty Dog was capable of using the texture streaming ability of the PS2...
/ dm /
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i think zelda looks stupid...
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Looks like some awesome platforming action to me.
"Stupid as hell" doesn\'t even enter into the equation.
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Originally posted by SuupaBuu
That game looks great for a ps2 game.
How can you say this game looks stupid? Thats just like saying mario is stupid.
Mario is stupid! :laughing:
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I\'m not a big fan of the genre but the graphics for these shots are very impressive
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No they aren\'t. I have seen better. The textures are very simple. Also, the character designs make me cringe. This game kind of looks like an oddworld rip off to me. Maybe I\'ll like it if I try it though.
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I like the graphics a lot,
and hope the game will provide a solid 15 hours of platforming fun. :D
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Originally posted by ajoh432
Mario is stupid! :laughing:
No, your stupid. :laughing:
Ok, enough with the s word people.
Anyways, this game does not graphically impress me at all. The textures and character models are average, and it has a terrible draw-distance(see blurry horizon). I find it funny how NG talked so much trash about PS2 being so powerful and now their own game isn\'t on par with other PS2 games like MGS2, and FFX. Ha.
I like the graphics a lot,
and hope the game will provide a solid 15 hours of platforming fun.
That\'s pretty short if you ask me.
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Animal Mother, the animation makes up for the "poor" character designs. (If you have seen Jak and Daxter in motion, and you still think the character designs look poor, you must be crazy or a really big Nintendo fan). The little cat thing (Daxter) is probably the coolest character I\'ve seen in any game. It is full of personality and expression.
From ps2.IGN
the duo move effortlessly, smoothly, and with some of the most detailed and eye-appealing animation seen on the PlayStation 2. In case you haven\'t seen the screenshots of movies in our preview or from our E3 coverage, the control and animation is are both exquisite.
Jumpman, did you completely ignore the reviews that were done way back at E3? This is what ps2.ign said about the draw distance:
No matter where you are in the game, players can see from one to the next and can actually view moving objects and scenes occurring from one to two islands away. For instance, players can see the enemy launching cannon balls from one island away, and watch as the cannonball are shot, fly through the air, and then land in the water, or on land, and see the animation that follows, be it flying dust and dirt, or splashing water.
If you\'re at a high-point in one area, you can see other places that you were before at a great distance, as there\'s no load screens or seperate areas that aren\'t connected. Everything is connected to each other and there\'s never a time that you\'ll leave one area and then just magically appear in another.
It the game is supposed to be 20+ hours, which is pretty good for a platformer.
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the graphic is superb. Highest quality texture, very high pixel fill rate, high polygon counts. I heard the scene is fill with lots if polygons, and it so big. Imagine running around a big scene without any load time or game.
Bad thing about this game is, although Naughty Dog did not mention, I know for sure the game run in interlaced mode. meaning it have to do with VRAM limitation. There is no jaggies whatsoever, but there is slight because of interlaced trying to align two different frames from different motion together to get a full frame... 2nd, black spot shadow, that\'s not a bad thing because the game have high texture and polygon counts. With shadow only limit the texture quality.
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I think it´s a great game, one of the best platformer in any console, so it´s one of my most wanted games...
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This game.. I like..
Its the only platformer that Im interested in.. (except Klonoa 2 then) :D
Why cant they release a demo soon?
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Oh God, it amazes me how many times people are wishing to put something down they have not even played. Give the game a bloody chance!!!
I\'ve saw the game running on TV, and it looks very slick - the framerate is sweet, the anitaion is smooth and the draw distance is fantastic.
The problem nowdays is how anal some people have got about graphics. It\'s not the be all and end all, and anyway, there\'s nothing wrong looking with this game.
GIVE.....IT.....A.....CHANCE.....
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May I ask a question??
Whats so poor about the character design??
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I´m getting this game, its one of the most wanted games for me.
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ive seen this game in motion and it is outstanding...running at a solid 60 fps....high polygonal count and all....
you think this game has bad character design?...unbelievable...
go check out the new link for zelda cube and then talk crap about character design...cause thats really poor.
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The game should get its own website soon. Check out the new naughty dog website from time to time. Be sure to check out the section with the developers pics, it`s funny (of course with some little picking on X-box).
http://www.naughtydog.com
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Originally posted by macabre
The game should get its own website soon. Check out the new naughty dog website from time to time. Be sure to check out the section with the developers pics, it`s funny (of course with some little picking on X-box).
http://www.naughtydog.com
Yeah..
Jason Rubin sure dislikes Xböx :)
:hat: :clown:
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Jumpman, did you completely ignore the reviews that were done way back at E3? This is what ps2.ign said about the draw distance:
This is what I have to say about the draw distance-it\'s blurry.
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Not very nice if you ask me.
May I ask a question??
Whats so poor about the character design??
Not enough detail for supposedly pushing 75% of PS2\'s power IMO.
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Dang, it seems the only way to make an impression on some people is with a shovel upside the head.
I\'m not a huge fan of platformers but this one has me really looking forward to it. From what I\'ve read much more brilliant than in just the vibrant look, which I like a lot.
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Jak & Daxter looks amazing FULL STOP
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Originally posted by Jumpman
This is what I have to say about the draw distance-it\'s blurry.
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Not very nice if you ask me.
Not enough detail for supposedly pushing 75% of PS2\'s power IMO.
Ah.. Well you forgot one little detail..
The air could be humid/moist?
If you go to the north pole on a clear day I bet you could see for miles and miles cuz the air is so dry..
Well this is in a very tropical enviroment.. So the air should be very humid/moist..
When the air is moist its "filled up" with tiny wateratoms..
You can not see one wateratom with a human eye..
But if you put several together you can see them..
Well. Im sure youve learnd all this in school!
See my point?
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There should be no argument. This game looks sweet and it makes good use of the PS2\'s texture streaming capabilities. The game is supposed to resemble a cartoon so the textures really should not be that detailed. They look just right and the models look very detailed also. Those aren\'t very good pictures for showing off the draw distance because the draw distance is pretty much infinite for this game. You stand on one side of the game area and you can see the other side. Plain and simple. I have full faith in Naughty Dog to pull out a system selling franchise.
Gohan - SIGNING OUT
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Also notice in the above screen its raining slightly. The background could be misty rain.
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Originally posted by fastson
Ah.. Well you forgot one little detail..
The air could be humid/moist?
If you go to the north pole on a clear day I bet you could see for miles and miles cuz the air is so dry..
Well this is in a very tropical enviroment.. So the air should be very humid/moist..
When the air is moist its "filled up" with tiny wateratoms..
You can not see one wateratom with a human eye..
But if you put several together you can see them..
Well. Im sure youve learnd all this in school!
See my point?
That\'s fogging. A technique that a lot of poor graphical games use to hide pop-up. The thing is, every shot where you can see into a fairly large distance has a blurry or foggy look to it. Hence, why I said it has a poor draw-distance which is correct.
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Jumpman, why are you in these forums when its so obvious that you\'re a Nintendo Fanboy? You just piss me off.
Go and have a tommy tank over that crap Zelda video
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Originally posted by Jumpman
That\'s fogging. A technique that a lot of poor graphical games use to hide pop-up. The thing is, every shot where you can see into a fairly large distance has a blurry or foggy look to it. Hence, why I said it has a poor draw-distance which is correct.
Well I didnt relize that you could see for miles and miles when the air is moist..
And it does look like its raining like tomrob said..
Btw..
When you get to the higher points (like tower or mountains) in the game you can see farther..
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Ok..
In these screens I think you can see pretty far :)
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And I wouldnt call that fogging really..
You wanna see fogging?
Go checkout Dynasti Warriors 2 :D
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This my friend.. Is what I call fogging! ;)
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Originally posted by tomrob
Jumpman, why are you in these forums when its so obvious that you\'re a Nintendo Fanboy? You just piss me off.
Go and have a tommy tank over that crap Zelda video
Go have a tommy tank? Tha has to be one of the worst insults I\'ve ever heard. You\'re pathetic. Please don\'t waste anymore more of my time without your moronic dribble.
You know what\'s funny? Some idiot openly insulted me today like you just did and now he\'s banned. Show\'s how much the forum cares about me. *sniff*
Well I didnt relize that you could see for miles and miles when the air is moist..
And it does look like its raining like tomrob said..
Btw..
When you get to the higher points (like tower or mountains) in the game you can see farther..
Want me to find some more screenshots if your not convinced?
EDIT- Can\'t you see the blurry backrounds in those shots? I can.
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Originally posted by tomrob
Jak & Daxter looks amazing FULL STOP
Jumpman! We know how much you hate \'em, but THROW NAUGHTY DOG A BONE! You are so far wrong on this point it\'s pathetic. For the love of God, gaming, whatever, PLEASE STOP!
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Originally posted by Heretic
Jumpman! We know how much you hate \'em, but THROW NAUGHTY DOG A BONE! You are so far wrong on this point it\'s pathetic. For the love of God, gaming, whatever, PLEASE STOP!
I knew I\'d get attacked by angry Sony loyalists for pointing out an obvious flaw in this game\'s graphics and was completely prepared for it. And if your going to say I\'m wrong, then back yourself up. Until then your all talk.
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Just look at the mountain-blurry.
I\'m getting out of this topic. I really hope some of you people can realize how right I am on this point. The draw distance isn\'t great, it\'s not the end of the world people.
Sheesh. :rolleyes:
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well maaaaybe the mountains are blurry because THE WHOLE PIC IS!!
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Just look at the mountain-blurry.
I dont know..
Maybe you got eagle eyes..
But could you see a penny 800meter away?
Yeah.. I thought so..
The farther away you go.. The more things gett blurry..
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Oh dear god!!
Look at the fogging!!
Bad job god.. You better fix that code.. We cant have fogging in this world.
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Well another issue in regards to this so called draw distance and fogging is the fact that Jak and Daxter uses a realtime Day to night cycle and as you can see by this latest batch of screens the game is being played at twilight. dark and/or dusk. Obviously in these low light conditions draw distance should be affected.
Going back to the 1st batch of screens the draw distance is obviously fine, and reading quotes from 5 different game sites or more they all talk about the draw distance and how you can see so much happening in the distance
This is obviously a non issuse.
as for character designs and textures, they look just fine to me. I agree they could be better, but they\'re plenty good enough and better then most PS2 games in texturing
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well maaaaybe the mountains are blurry because THE WHOLE PIC IS!!
The whole pic isn\'t.
I dont know..
Maybe you got eagle eyes..
But could you see a penny 800meter away?
Yeah.. I thought so..
The farther away you go.. The more things gett blurry..
I see your not used to seeing far away.
*goes upstairs*
*Looks out parents window to see a huge harbour far away*
*Not blurry like the J&D draw distance*
*last post*
I\'m done, it\'s like I\'m talking to a brick-wall. There\'s no point in me continuing since none of you seem to be admitting your wrong. The draw distance in this game is not great, GET OVER IT.
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Jumpman.. You make me laugh.. Thanks! :D
Btw.. Why has ever single site that has tested the game prased it for its drawdistance??
Hmm.. THey must be wrong..
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Hey Jumpman, you know when you focus in on something close, whether you are using a still camera, or a video camera, what happens to the scenery further away? Oh yes, thats right it gets blurry :rolleyes: silly me.
Get the Jak and Daxter E3 Trailer vid, watch it, then come back
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Originally posted by tomrob
Hey Jumpman, you know when you focus in on something close, whether you are using a still camera, or a video camera, what happens to the scenery further away? Oh yes, thats right it gets blurry :rolleyes: silly me.
Nope..
You are wrong..
The whole picture should be sharp...
:rolleyes:
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Also Jumpman, you\'re missing the point of draw distance. Draw distance is how far you can see. Like the old school road thing. The game is still "Drawing" the scenery, whether is be misty or not. You\'ll find that fogging is just that, you don\'t see anything but fog. But here you still see the mountains, they are just out of focus, because the camera is focusing on Jak instead.
Driving games with bad "Draw Distance" mean the road isn\'t drawn until fairly close to you, hence pop-up. Games like GT3 have good Draw Distance because building are drawn way before you get to them.
My point is, the Jak & Daxter Engine IS drawing these mountains far away, so the draw distance IS good :bounce:
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I don\'t see anything wrong with the draw-distance.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
I\'m getting out of this topic.
Good idea!
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Jumpman, you ran off saying, "talking to us is like talking to a brick wall." But in reality, its the other way around -- talking to you is like taking to a brick wall. Person after person has given you examples of why Jak and Daxter is "worldly correct," but you just ignore what they say.
I could go through everything everyone else has already said which is more than enough to prove your hatred/blindness towards Naughty Dog, but instead, I have one question for you. You say that "The textures and character models are average, and it has a terrible draw-distance." What exactly are you comparing this too?
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Anyone still want to continue after seeing this screenshot? Look how close he is to the blurry mountains, THEY SHOULDN\'T LOOK LIKE THAT. If you people ever out-side then you would realize that.
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LOL. Here is undeniable proof.
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Take a look under the right arm-pit of the farthest montsters from the left hand side of screen. You can actually see what the line where starts to get blurry.
*does victory dance*
This will probably be the overall last post in this topic since everyone will now lower their heads in shame and acknowledge how right I am. :)
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uh jumpman if im correct, those are early shots. like the first shot.
and the game has been praised for draw distance, it renders the whole world. you see some place in the distance, you can probably go there.
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Well all I gotta say Jumpman is, from what I\'ve seen and read about this game, you\'re gonna be missing out on something very special indeed, and I\'m sure the majority of these boards will agree on that.
Oh well your loss I suppose.
You can make do with the Awesome, fantasticly brilliant, out of this world new look Zelda game (that 80% of Nintendo fans hate) thats coming to the GC :laughing:
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Take a look under the right arm-pit of the farthest montsters from the left hand side of screen. You can actually see what the line where starts to get blurry.
*does victory dance*
This will probably be the overall last post in this topic since everyone will now lower their heads in shame and acknowledge how right I am. :)
ok, well your point is..... that the game is not good even though it is pushing 20 million polygons at 60fps?
it beats zelda.
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Originally posted by tomrob
Well all I gotta say Jumpman is, from what I\'ve seen and read about this game, you\'re gonna be missing out on something very special indeed, and I\'m sure the majority of these boards will agree on that.
Oh well your loss I suppose.
You can make do with the Awesome, fantasticly brilliant, out of this world new look Zelda game (that 80% of Nintendo fans hate) thats coming to the GC :laughing:
Your loss on missing out on the next Zelda game. Too bad for you, not me. Some of us can see past graphics.
And I\'m getting PS2 next Christmas after this one so it\'s possible I\'ll get this game along with it depending on the reviews it gets, fanboy. :p
ok, well your point is..... that the game is not good even though it is pushing 20 million polygons at 60fps?
I don\'t know whether it\'s good or not since I haven\'t played it. I guess I don\'t have psychic abilities like every PS2 fan who thinks this game will own.
it beats zelda.
How can you say that when both of them are not released yet?
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Jumpman,
Get over it. Even if the mountains look blurry, the mountains are still being drawn. It\'s not like the fog is covering them up like in Turok. Whether it\'s for an atmospheric effect, or they\'re using depth-of-field, who knows. But blurry or not, the polygons are there. Stop being so sure of yourself. Are you here to claim a prize? Watch a movie of J&D and you will be able (err should) to appreciate its beauty. Your open hatred for Naughty Dog only hurts your credibility on this debate.
/ dm /
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Yeah yeah they\'re still being drawn, but they\'re still blurry which was my main point. They should look crisper. I just expect better, that\'s all.
And yes, I have watched movies of this game and I have seen better. I\'m not easily impressed with graphics.
Now please everyone, get off my back.
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Jumpman, if you bothered to download a J&D video, you\'d notice that the backgrounds aren\'t blurry when the game is in motion. Remember one of those screens is likely to be missing 59 frames of animations, cos that is a screen of ONE frame. Come back after you\'ve watched the video. There a just so many effects and animations going on in this game, that a still screenshot is worth nothing. Go and read the preview at IGN, they have actually played the game, and they are amazed
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Jumpman, not only are you making a fool of your self by judging this game only by those screens, that aren\'t even close to high quality by the way, you have also proven like many have said before me, you are nothing more than a hopless Nintendo Fanboy. While you have your NGC and those great launch titles (can you smell any sarcasaim here?) PS2 will have games like MGS2, J&D,Silent Hill and Splashdown, while you have what? Pikmin, Wave Race and the very unimpressive Luigi\'s Mansion, oh yeah lets not forget the power puff girl look-alike link in his very, very ;) happy adventure. Heck your not even getting Mario until next year! Mario has always been there at launch. So once again wait until some good quality screens of J&D come out, before you start making a$$ of yourself, Now whatcha think about that Sucka?
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J & D looks amazing have you guys seen the e3 trailer? Its tight, last time I heard when this game finally comes out its going to be pushing a whooping 10mps at 60fps. Which is amazing for a 2nd gen game. This looks better than most gamecube games.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Originally posted by GAMES
Jumpman, not only are you making a fool of your self by judging this game only by those screens, that aren\'t even close to high quality by the way, you have also proven like many have said before me, you are nothing more than a hopless Nintendo Fanboy. While you have your NGC and those great launch titles (can you smell any sarcasaim here?) PS2 will have games like MGS2, J&D,Silent Hill and Splashdown, while you have what? Pikmin, Wave Race and the very unimpressive Luigi\'s Mansion, oh yeah lets not forget the power puff girl look-alike link in his very, very ;) happy adventure. Heck your not even getting Mario until next year! Mario has always been there at launch. So once again wait until some good quality screens of J&D come out, before you start making a$$ of yourself, Now whatcha think about that Sucka?
You tell \'em GAMES!!!!!!!! I know so far ps2 been WAY more impressive than gamecube. Jumpman do me a favor download the J & D e3 trailer and compare that to marion sunshine. J & D looks a whole lot better.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Actually guys Jak & Daxter will be pushing near 13-15mpps when released. Awesome! Yeah I agree the E3 Trailer is amazing, and even that isn\'t the highest quality vid I\'ve ever seen! I have a DVD from PSW I think, it has the same video @ full screen, amazing! Blows Mario Sunshine away! Mario is living on his name like Tomb Raider IMO.
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*goes upstairs*
*Looks out parents window to see a huge harbour far away*
*Not blurry like the J&D draw distance*
The rest of the story
*Removes hand from crotch, places in front of face*
*Oh, blurry. Focus on hand. Um, sharp*
*Looks past hand to harbor. Oh, blurry*
*?Scratches head?? Naughty Dog baaad mean Jak & Daxter no can be good*
*Must tell PS2 fanboys again*
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I know mario sunshine looks like a high res n64 game.:thepimp:
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Poor Jumpman...........
First Mr.PooPoo, then this.......
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Alright, that\'s enough pussying around for me.
Jumpman, not only are you making a fool of your self by judging this game only by those screens
You ****ing retard, I\'m judging it\'s LOOKS. I never said I wasn\'t interested in this game, stop assuming ****.
you have also proven like many have said before me, you are nothing more than a hopless Nintendo Fanboy.
Funny, Nintendo wasn\'t even mentioned in this thread except by all the little pussies who have the balls to call me a fanboy when in actuality, there are mindless fanboys themselves.
While you have your NGC and those great launch titles (can you smell any sarcasaim here?) PS2 will have games like MGS2, J&D,Silent Hill and Splashdown, while you have what? Pikmin, Wave Race and the very unimpressive Luigi\'s Mansion, oh yeah lets not forget the power puff girl look-alike link in his very, very happy adventure.
Thank you for a demonstrating stupidity at it\'s best. :)
Have you ever heard of an opinion? Some people will not like those PS2 games you mentioned, others will. Who\'s right? No one is since it all boils down to preference. Why am I explaining this simple concept to you? *sigh*
Actually, I\'m not even getting NGC at launch, I\'m getting my at Christmas. By that time, Eternal Darkness is out, my most anticipated game. That\'s the only games I\'m getting for NGC this year.
Hey wait, your being a ****ing hypocrite. You say how can I judge a game on screens(without knowing I\'ve seen every video of this game), then you say Zelda is no good(in your own fanboy way) because of it\'s graphics. Ugh, such lack of intelligence is disturbing.
Heck your not even getting Mario until next year! Mario has always been there at launch.
Woop-di-****ing-doo.
So once again wait until some good quality screens of J&D come out, before you start making a$$ of yourself
LOL.
Now whatcha think about that Sucka?
I think I just made you look completely stupid. Ha. Don\'t **** with me again, your not on my level.
Jumpman, if you bothered to download a J&D video, you\'d notice that the backgrounds aren\'t blurry when the game is in motion. Remember one of those screens is likely to be missing 59 frames of animations, cos that is a screen of ONE frame. Come back after you\'ve watched the video. There a just so many effects and animations going on in this game, that a still screenshot is worth nothing. Go and read the preview at IGN, they have actually played the game, and they are amazed
It wasn\'t as bad in the videos, but still clearly noticeable(especially the flying mountain in the trailer video). I know the game looks better in motion, but like I said I\'m never impressed with graphics anymore. Glad we could resolve this in a civilized manner. :)
Please people, grow up and learn to debate right. If you insult me, then damn straight I\'m going to insult you back. If you don\'t, then I won\'t.
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Raise your hand if you don\'t judge games by pictures...*me, me, me!!* :rolleyes: Why do you always have to judge a game by its pics? Those aren\'t even good screen captures...
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Jumpman getting defensiveful are we? Just cause someone said something about your little nintendo. Jumpman your asking if someone ever heard of an opinion?!?!?! YOur the one with the problem if someone doesn\'t like nintendo. Practice what you preach okay.:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Yeah, even Gamespot stated that Mario Sunshine looked like it had gotten its textures from the N64 version! :laughing:
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Originally posted by tomrob
Yeah, even Gamespot stated that Mario Sunshine looked like it had gotten its textures from the N64 version! :laughing:
LOL!!!!!!!! Not to mention that crappy looking zelda.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Oh god you people are no match for me. Sorry.
Originally posted by Heretic
*goes upstairs*
*Looks out parents window to see a huge harbour far away*
*Not blurry like the J&D draw distance*
The rest of the story
*Removes hand from crotch, places in front of face*
*Oh, blurry. Focus on hand. Um, sharp*
*Looks past hand to harbor. Oh, blurry*
*?Scratches head?? Naughty Dog baaad mean Jak & Daxter no can be good*
*Must tell PS2 fanboys again*
For someone who has three kids your ****ing immature.
Jumpman do me a favor download the J & D e3 trailer and compare that to marion sunshine. J & D looks a whole lot better.
I\'ve seen every ****ing video of this thing before the topic even started, wasn\'t impressed then and not impressed now. I now what happened. He jumped over a few barrels, that little lizard jumped on him on the end, there was a flying mountain, etc etc.
J&D comes out by the end of this year, Mario Sunshine comes out next summer. Duh what do you think will look better? Of course J&D looks better. Besides, we only saw one small level. Mario didn\'t even have a shadow yet.
Why do you always have to judge a game by its pics? Those aren\'t even good screen captures...
:rolleyes: Nice assumption.
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Originally posted by raslant
Jumpman getting defensiveful are we? Just cause someone said something about your little nintendo. Jumpman your asking if someone ever heard of an opinion?!?!?! YOur the one with the problem if someone doesn\'t like nintendo. Practice what you preach okay.:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :thepimp: :thepimp:
What the **** are you talking about? I said, it all boils down to preference. I never said he was wrong for not being interested in NGC\'s games nor did I give a flying ****. Argh. To not notice such simplicity is pathetic.
Lesson 1 in an argument-never make assumptions.
That\'s all you guys need to know.
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Hmmmmmmmm.........Jumpman making excuses for nintendo again.............that figures.
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It wasn\'t as bad in the videos, but still clearly noticeable(especially the flying mountain in the trailer video). I know the game looks better in motion, but like I said I\'m never impressed with graphics anymore. Glad we could resolve this in a civilized manner.
Please people, grow up and learn to debate right. If you insult me, then damn straight I\'m going to insult you back. If you don\'t, then I won\'t
Jumpman, what is wrong with you? When people insult you, and then you insult them back, that proves nothing. You have swearing in every one of your posts. Nobody wants to read that cr**. You say you want people to grow up, when in reality your arguements and debates are just as, if not more, childish. You\'re just a little boy who has a power trip every five seconds and feels obligated to put everyone down. I hope you\'r enot like that in real life. You need to think before you type, and at least think about the way other people feel when state your opinions, as childish as they are.
Stop being such a jerk. And if you reply don\'t say stupid things like "you\'re a pussy for writing that" or "don\'t argue with me, you\'re not on my level."
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Gameplay is what it comes down to and we all know that Naughty Dogs games arent as fun as nintendos
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Originally posted by raslant
Hmmmmmmmm.........Jumpman making excuses for nintendo again.............that figures.
What excuses? Those were facts.
God dammit, it happened again. I post my opinion on the game\'s graphics, and now I\'m defending myself yet again. How does this always happen? Argh.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
What the **** are you talking about? I said, it all boils down to preference. I never said he was wrong for not being interested in NGC\'s games nor did I give a flying ****. Argh. To not notice such simplicity is pathetic.
Lesson 1 in an argument-never make assumptions.
That\'s all you guys need to know.
I rest my case your acting like a fool again. You always attack people when they don\'t agree with your crappy little opinion. Nintendo fanboys are so annoying. :thepimp:
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Originally posted by raslant
I rest my case your acting like a fool again. You always attack people when they don\'t agree with your crappy little opinion. Nintendo fanboys are so annoying. :thepimp:
Raslant, stop attacking Jumpman. You have the tendency to put people down, too. Just chill.
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Jumpman. You never answered my question, so I\'ll kindly ask it again. You say that "The textures and character models are average, and it has a terrible draw-distance." What exactly are you comparing this too?
And everyone else, get off Jumpman\'s back. There is no need for all this name calling.
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Everytime nintendo lacks in something you think of 50 reason why. Sure mario sunshine was early, but J & D was early at e3 as well.........:thepimp:
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So Jumpman we are now talking Opinions. So...
In my opinion Mario Sunshine looks like a High Res N64 Game
In my opinion the new Zelda looks absolute sh*t
In my opinion Jak & Daxter blows them both away
In my opinion Splashdown has better water then Waverace
There we go
Remember, its just my Opinion :laughing:
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Hey wait, your being a ****ing hypocrite. You say how can I judge a game on screens(without knowing I\'ve seen every video of this game), then you say Zelda is no good(in your own fanboy way) because of it\'s graphics. Ugh, such lack of intelligence is disturbing.
First-off, I never said Zelda was no good so stop putting words in my mouth. What I said was it looks like a damn Saturday morning cartoon, which is a huge dissapointment. Think twice before you call someone such my self a ****ing hypocrite. And whats disturbing is your ignorance.
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I rest my case your acting like a fool again. You always attack people when they don\'t agree with your crappy little opinion. Nintendo fanboys are so annoying
Get a clue. I stated facts, you couldn\'t handle them for some unknown reason which I could care less about.
God, I don\'t care about your, or anybody else\'s opinions regarding Nintendo. *fact*
Originally posted by EviscerationX
Jumpman, what is wrong with you? When people insult you, and then you insult them back, that proves nothing. You have swearing in every one of your posts. Nobody wants to read that cr**. You say you want people to grow up, when in reality your arguements and debates are just as, if not more, childish. You\'re just a little boy who has a power trip every five seconds and feels obligated to put everyone down. I hope you\'r enot like that in real life. You need to think before you type, and at least think about the way other people feel when state your opinions, as childish as they are.
Stop being such a jerk. And if you reply don\'t say stupid things like "you\'re a pussy for writing that" or "don\'t argue with me, you\'re not on my level."
*yawn* If your insulted then what are you going to do? Cry? Report it to a moderator? Please.
Jumpman. You never answered my question, so I\'ll kindly ask it again. You say that "The textures and character models are average, and it has a terrible draw-distance." What exactly are you comparing this too?
Better looking games of course. The textures and models aren\'t nearly as good/detailed as MGS2 or FFX. And the draw-distance is just blurry. I guess I\'m comparing it to real life.
So Jumpman we are now talking Opinions. So...
In my opinion Mario Sunshine looks like a High Res N64 Game
In my opinion the new Zelda looks absolute sh*t
In my opinion Jak & Daxter blows them both away
In my opinion Splashdown had better water then Waverace
There we go
Remember, its just my Opinion
Don\'t care.
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If you didn\'t care about me or anyone else opinion on nintendo you wouldn\'t be getting so mad would you?:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Alright, enough name calling from me. I\'m better than that.
Originally posted by GAMES
First-off, I never said Zelda was no good so stop putting words in my mouth. What I said was it looks like a damn Saturday morning cartoon, which is a huge dissapointment. Think twice before you call someone such my self a ****ing hypocrite. And whats disturbing is your ignorance.
You implied it though. You were complaining about GameCube\'s games and then you insulting Zelda. Now you think twice before telling me to think twice.
And what about the rest of the argument? Are you admitting that your wrong? Kudos. :)
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Zelda graphic\'s suck end of story.:thepimp:
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Originally posted by raslant
If you didn\'t care about me or anyone else opinion on nintendo you wouldn\'t be getting so mad would you?:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
When they so blatantly state ther opinion as fact, which games did, then I\'ll step in. Yes.
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Alright, enough name calling from me. I\'m better than that.
Hopefully...;) Good luck on your new-found maturity...
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New found maturity? This is the first massive flame war topic that I participated in in a long time. It\'s more like me taking one step back then taking two steps forward.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
New found maturity? This is the first massive flame war topic that I participated in in a long time. It\'s more like me taking one step back then taking two steps forward.
And we all know how much flaming sucks. I meant it was mature of you not to spew out profanity like there\'s no tomorrow...
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Jumpman, the problem is you\'ve chosen to pick on the one feature of the game that probably is it\'s most innovative and outstanding feature technology wise. Jak can go to the highest point in the land and get a 360 degree view of a massive, detailed, active landscape, pick a spot and go there, no load times all drawn in on the fly. Tell us about the game you\'ve seen that does this better. You insist its blurry when the vids don\'t leave that impression at all.
Then you insist you\'re done yet keep coming back asking for more abuse. Ask and you shall receive
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Also the time of day effects. It might be sunset and the mountains look hazy with lack of light, but Jak is running around in an area where the sun is setting and the remaining light is lighting up the area. This is the impression I got from watching the PSW DVD Trailer. Its awesome, the lighting effects are something special, the way the sun lights up the cliffs etc.
Well thats enough drooling :D
I\'m off to bed :yawn: ........................ :snore:
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Originally posted by Heretic
Jumpman, the problem is you\'ve chosen to pick on the one feature of the game that probably is it\'s most innovative and outstanding feature technology wise. Jak can go to the highest point in the land and get a 360 degree view of a massive, detailed, active landscape, pick a spot and go there, no load times all drawn in on the fly.
Um...so? That\'s just the power of next-generation consoles. Besides, from what I\'ve seen, it gets more blurry the farther it goes. Innovative? Hardly. Out-standing? Possibly, but none of us has seen this feature. I\'ve checked all the vids, I don\'t remember seeing this. It might be in there, but it might not be as impressive as you make it out to be.
Tell us about the game you\'ve seen that does this better. You insist its blurry when the vids don\'t leave that impression at all
The vids gave me that impression. And like I said, I want to see this so call "place where you can see everything".
Then you insist you\'re done yet keep coming back asking for more abuse. Ask and you shall receive
I was done until it got to out of hand. Abuse? Nope! Just fanboys trying to get the better of me which will never happen.
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okay guys, lets stop doin this sh*t. Jumpman, if you don\'t like what you see, get over it and look at pictures that DO impress you. It\'s that easy. And the rest of you, stop insulting that lil retard, ok?
:laughing:
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Originally posted by Nedzad
okay guys, lets stop doin this sh*t. Jumpman, if you don\'t like what you see, get over it and look at pictures that DO impress you. It\'s that easy. And the rest of you, stop insulting that lil retard, ok?
:laughing:
LOL. Don\'t even bother trying to insult me. People tried, and failed.
Besides, I refuse you sink down to your level. Sorry.
Also the time of day effects. It might be sunset and the mountains look hazy with lack of light, but Jak is running around in an area where the sun is setting and the remaining light is lighting up the area. This is the impression I got from watching the PSW DVD Trailer. Its awesome, the lighting effects are something special, the way the sun lights up the cliffs etc.
It\'s called light sourcing, been done millions of times before.
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When it comes to impressions of graphics, draw-distance, framerate, and gameplay, I trust those who have ACTUALLY PLAYED IT.
A note about the levels and AI. Every area can be re-visited, since they are all connected, and every single section of the world can be seen from the higher points in the world. One of the key points behind Jak and Daxter is that it\'s big, but that there are no loading times. Jason Rubin and Andy Gavin played a bucket-load of games when they were kids and they played a lot of Donkey Kong, Mario, and Zelda, and they love the idea of seamless, organic, connected worlds. Well, that\'s what gamers are going to get here.
- Doug Perry IGN.PS2
The extra playtime with the newer build of the game also gave me a better chance to check out more of the game\'s 3D world, which proved to be even more massively scaled than I had previously thought. Naughty Dog has created this huge 3D world where the entire game takes place. There aren\'t different areas for each of the worlds like in most games of this type, instead everything in the world is right there in front of you.
And the world is not small either, as the basic island that the game takes place on is pretty massive in size and is filled with interactive elements that give the world a feeling of being truly alive and organic. Leaves and branches blow in the wind, birds fly around in the different areas, and if you\'re at the high-point in one area, you can see all of this in other areas at great distances.
- Dave Zydrko IGN.PS2
Today, we take an updated look at the game with new screenshots released by Sony Computer Entertainment America. Jak and Daxter is unique in that all of the levels in the game are housed within a massive gameworld. According to Naughty Dog, in the final release of the game players will be able to move from one level to the next at will, without any loading times.
- Shahed Ahmed Gamespot VG
... Need the "experts" say more? Please, to debate draw-distance using pictures as evidence in comparison to those who use preview copies of games as evidence is futile. It\'s like arguing that war is a glamorous thing full of nothing but people who kiss and live in harmony. Simple point is, the people who have experienced it can tell you otherwise.
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When Ryu speaks. Everyone listens
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Yeah well, I still got him in the Zelda debate. :p
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I haven\'t visited that thread since I last replied to it, I could always go there now... It\'s funny though, out of all the people that have read that particular article, you are the ONLY one who disagreed with it (other than an XBox fanboy, but I don\'t consider his opinion to be worth much more then plastic bubble wrap). Even 3 guys I know at IGN thought it was true to heart. I can quote one in that thread right now. Meh, to each his own I guess. :) You keep your opinion about how it "sucks" and I\'ll be happy with my idea of it being true to the old testament.
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jumpman isnt givin up .....
good goin Ryu
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Originally posted by Ryu
I haven\'t visited that thread since I last replied to it, I could always go there now... It\'s funny though, out of all the people that have read that particular article, you are the ONLY one who disagreed with it (other than an XBox fanboy, but I don\'t consider his opinion to be worth much more then plastic bubble wrap). Even 3 guys I know at IGN thought it was true to heart. I can quote one in that thread right now. Meh, to each his own I guess. :)
3 people? Nope! Bob and LIC don\'t count since they aren\'t really fans have the Zelda series anyways. That makes 1 really. But I\'ll give you two since I\'m so generous. Hold me. :)
Also, remember the topic I made regarding Zelda\'s look? More than 3 people agreed with it. Funny right?
You keep your opinion about how it "sucks" and I\'ll be happy with my idea of it being true to the old testament.
I said it sucks at first, but then I said I got used to it and said I didn\'t mind it as much. I never said it "sucks" after that.
jumpman isnt givin up .....
good goin Ryu
Quiet you. I could continue, but I really don\'t give a **** anymore.
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3 people? Nope! Bob and LIC don\'t count since they aren\'t really fans have the Zelda series anyways. That makes 1 really. But I\'ll give you two since I\'m so generous. Hold me.
Also, remember the topic I made regarding Zelda\'s look? More than 3 people agreed with it. Funny right?
You can believe what you want about the IGN comment. You\'ve already believed a lot of your own BS with these J&D comments. If MM was here, i\'m sure he\'d give you the "open mouth, insert foot" award.
As for people agreeing with you and disagreeing with me, i thought it was funny how you were the only one who actually commented negatively in my particular post. If it would satisfy you that much, I can always return to the topic and respond now.
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You can believe what you want about the IGN comment. You\'ve already believed a lot of your own BS with these J&D comments. If MM was here, i\'m sure he\'d give you the "open mouth, insert foot" award.
PMS?
*dies*
As for people agreeing with you and disagreeing with me, i thought it was funny how you were the only one who actually commented negatively in my particular post. If it would satisfy you that much, I can always return to the topic and respond now.
You can make your own decisions
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take a look at this link:
http://educate.si.edu/resources/lessons/art-to-zoo/landscape/essay2.html
Check out tip #4.
This is from the Smithsonian education website by the way, specifically the website for the "Smithsonian Center for Education and Museum Studies."
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Hey Jumpman,
I think you should give up.
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Wow! this fight still going on :p
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J&D is a masterpiece.THE END!
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Originally posted by Unicron!
J&D is a masterpiece.THE END!
Agreed. And Jumpman is WRONG.
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Originally posted by CS2x
Agreed. And Jumpman is WRONG.
Agreed:D