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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: kirath on September 04, 2001, 07:10:48 AM
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I opted to go with a stand alone DVD player since the PS2 was just not measuring up.. I got a great player for a good price..
Sony DVP-NS700
The biggest thing I wanted was progressive scan.. So now I can watch DVDs in 480p on my TV.. Now that just rocks.. After I saw progressive scan I knew the PS2 was just not up to par for playing DVDs. The picture is awesome and this DVD player has some nice features..
The only think is I had to downgrade my PS2 from component to S-Video.. But not that big of a deal....
:surprised
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hold up.
the ps2 doesnt do progressive scanning?
lets see, i have high def ready tv (meaning it uses component video) and i have my ps2 connected to it using component video...
what the hell is going on then when i watch dvds..im getting an interlaced scan ?
so how many lines of resolution am i getting?
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Originally posted by lestat
hold up.
the ps2 doesnt do progressive scanning?
lets see, i have high def ready tv (meaning it uses component video) and i have my ps2 connected to it using component video...
what the hell is going on then when i watch dvds..im getting an interlaced scan ?
so how many lines of resolution am i getting?
Exactly, your getting interlaced scan... That is really my only complaint against the PS2.. Im not sure what your getting for resolution, but its not 480p.. Its what ever the standard is for DVD player using standard Digital to Analog conversion.. I think videoholic has a lot more information then me.... He will probably chime in and let us know...:bounce:
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Kirath:
I bought the DVP-NS700P also, and I\'m satisfied with it so far. The thing people always criticize about this model is that it displays the "chroma upsampling bug." I evaluated it, and found that I could notice the chroma bug, but it was very subdued compared to other DVD players I\'ve observed. Definitely not noticable on a regular basis. The 700P also lacks some of the features of it\'s most common competitor right now, the Panasonic RP91. For the price however, this Sony model is a very good deal in my opinion. BTW, you can get a switchbox to connect two component video sources to the same input on your TV.
Lestat:
The PS2 only does interlaced video output, not progressive. It\'s known as 480i. This does not mean you\'re seeing fewer lines of resolution. It only means that your TV is operating in "normal" mode, which is to say, the CRT is drawing half the lines in one pass, then jumping back to the top of the screen and drawing the other half of the lines. Playing back DVDs using a progressive player does not increase your resolution; it only eliminates the so-called "combing" effect that can be visible with objects moving horizontally across the screen. It\'s a subtle improvement, and most people believe that it\'s not extremely noticable. The PS2 has other much worse problems as a DVD player... edge enhancement, artifacting, poor audio, etc. If you have a high-def class television, you should be using a better player.
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i know the all the tech stuff, but i what i didnt know was that the ps2 didnt scan progressive....
and i thought \'comb filtering\' is what component video did...which is why the colors look sharper...ive noticed a difference in games when i switched to component video..specially in nba street where there is a lot of color movement because of the player\'s uniforms...
youre saying that this comb filtering is not being used for dvd playback?
if so, then that sux...i thought the ps2 was the sh-t and did it all...dvd, dolby digital, and dts...but now im getting dissapointed...
i need to get me a better dvd player then...i knew my dvds shouldve been looking sharper because back when i would sell dtv and high def junk, we would test these things out all the time...and believe me, there IS a difference.
thanx for your help ;)
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I\'m going to get a stand-alone DVD player simply b/c half the DVDs I try to play won\'t play in my PS2 but will play in my DVD toshiba drive.
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I just think its a better Idea for a stand alone DVD player anyways. Take the load off of watching movies on my PS2 and have a DVD player for that..
Dvd player in the PS2 is just a perk, a nice perk, but not comparable to a stand alone unit... Don\'t get disappointed, it still does a great job...
:alien:
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Originally posted by lestat
and i thought \'comb filtering\' is what component video did...which is why the colors look sharper
youre saying that this comb filtering is not being used for dvd playback?
When I said "combing" I was referring to a specific visual effect you get when playing back video like a film-based source on a television through an interlaced DVD player. A "comb filter" is a product feature offered by some television manufacturers. Off hand I don\'t know exactly what it does, but I wouldn\'t assume just by the name similarity that it solves the problem I was referring to. Of course, even if your TV attempts to address the problem, it\'s better to use a progressive player because then there\'s no problem to fix.
BTW, the fact that you\'re using component video inputs has no relevance to whether the signal is interlaced, progressive, or if the image displays combing. See this page for an explanation of combing and progressive video, etc. etc: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html
Oh yeah, there\'s a good description of the chroma bug on that page too.
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Comb filter = seperates the luminance and the chrominance from an incoming composite/RF signal. If you use an S-video or Component connection, the comb filter inside of your television is bypassed.
Lestat & Coredweller- I was under the impression that if you send an HDTV a 480i signal, it upconverts it to 480p using its internal line doubler. Although you are geting a faked version of 480p, virtually ALL of the line doublers in HDTVs suck, hence the reason people buy stand alone video processors/scalers.
As for my personal comparisons between an interlaced and progressive player, I notice a pretty decent improvement on the progressive players. If you have an HDTV, you should really be taking advantage of it with a p-scan DVD player.
Remember, the Xbox will do 480p with the $30 remote. That\'s $330 for a next-gen gaming system and progressive DVD playing (with the possibility of 1080i scaling on DVDs). Also the Pana RP-91 as Cored pointed out has been getting rave reviews by HT enthusiasts.
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Not everyone is made of money like you guys seem to be, so the PS2 to most is plenty good as a DVD player, and also most people dont have these high end TV\'s like you guys do, its just sad, from reading your post you think everyone is as fortunate as you
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Originally posted by Bozco
Not everyone is made of money like you guys seem to be, so the PS2 to most is plenty good as a DVD player, and also most people dont have these high end TV\'s like you guys do, its just sad, from reading your post you think everyone is as fortunate as you
Oh puuuuuhhhh-lllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssseee.
If you have a high-end TV you have every right to enjoy it with a progressive scan player.
If you have a regular TV you have every right to enjoy it with whatever the hell player you want.
The PS2 doesn\'t do progressive scanning plain & simple, and that\'s what Kirath wanted for his HDTV that he paid for with his blood & sweat.
Not everyone is made of money, that is so true, but if you have a hobby, you may decide to spend more of your money on that hobby than other expenses. Unless they are bragging, there is no reason to look down upon people with the latest equipment.
Not everyone is made of money and can afford a PS2. Be fortunate you have that.
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Originally posted by THX
Not everyone is made of money and can afford a PS2. Be fortunate you have that.
good one.
anyways...thanx for your help...
my ps2 looks awesome for games with the component video, but the movies dont look as \'mind blowing\' as the demos we\'d do back when i worked for dtv.
and now i know why...and its because we had ONLY high end dvd players that obviously did progressive scanning...
oh well, yet another reason to buy a freaking xbox...
thanx a lot. =)
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Originally posted by Bozco
Not everyone is made of money like you guys seem to be, so the PS2 to most is plenty good as a DVD player, and also most people dont have these high end TV\'s like you guys do, its just sad, from reading your post you think everyone is as fortunate as you
Did they say everyone is "made of money"? No. Do they have a hobby and do they want to get the most out of it? Yes. You act like they shouldn\'t even discuss this, just because you or someone else can\'t afford it. That is life man, not everyone can afford these "toys". However, those who do invest the money in it want the best from what they buy and that is what they are discussing. No big deal. Don\'t be so touchy.
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oh oh....lic being quite the regulator...
good looking out man. ;|
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Did they say everyone is "made of money"? No. Do they have a hobby and do they want to get the most out of it? Yes. You act like they shouldn\'t even discuss this, just because you or someone else can\'t afford it. That is life man, not everyone can afford these "toys". However, those who do invest the money in it want the best from what they buy and that is what they are discussing. No big deal. Don\'t be so touchy.
I wasnt being that touchy, dont worry, I was just sayin it seems like some of you arent thankly for what you\'ve got, and yes like you said no big deal
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Originally posted by Bozco
I wasnt being that touchy, dont worry, I was just sayin it seems like some of you arent thankly for what you\'ve got, and yes like you said no big deal
They are not un-grateful. They bought something and want top performance for what they spent money on, that is all.
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Any ideas on what the best DVD player would be for a "normal" TV that\'s rather big, and would fit in a rather tight budget? Me and my dad could probably convince my mom to let us spend $150 on one, so we want to make it count. Any suggestions?
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For entry-level, a Panasonic, Toshiba, or Pioneer is usually recomended.
The Panasonic RV-31k (RV-31s = silver model) can be found for $160 on the net. It does CDR-audio, VCD, and mp3.
The Toshiba SD-1700 is your basic bare-bones DVD player but has the Toshiba name which is good quality for DVD playing. It can be found for $140 on the net.
The Pioneer DV-343 can be found for $140. It plays VCD and CDR-audio. All Pioneers come standard with a twin-laser pickup for better compatibility with optical mediums.
http://www.pricescan.com
http://www.pricewatch.com
http://www.mysimon.com
I have a Toshiba myself, but I\'d recommend the Panasonic.
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http://www.audioreview.com/reviews/DVD/index_S.shtml
Once you have a specific model you\'re considering buying, go to this site, and look it up before going any further. People have posted literally hundreds of user reviews in some cases on the more popular models. Many manufacturing defects are revealed if you read through the reviews. I use this site quite heavily now.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Not everyone is made of money like you guys seem to be, so the PS2 to most is plenty good as a DVD player
Save for the fact that it will not recognize 95% of my DVD collection. Whats the point of a DVD player that is selective about the DVDs that it will read? I would rather get a PS2 game only machine than be forced to use the counter intuitive peice of ****e that I used before I got a second stand alone.
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bozco, when you get older, you will learn what it feels like to earn the perks you buy yourself.
I am much poorer than these guys but I own over 300 games and over 15 different systems. It is my hobby, I find money to do it from whatever my check may be. It is like people living in the ghetto, yet they drive around in G-Ride caddies, wear the expensive clothing, have alot of \'ice\', etc,etc,etc. They work (or steal) or sell drugs for that stuff. It is what their priorities are. Who cares what they do with those welfare checks? Spend as you like, I say. Just don\'t make ME pay for it! get a job.
Eric Jacob
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First off I want to answer the last question..
WhiteFleck There are a bunch of good DVD players you can get, stay within the brandnames and you should be fine.. Avoid stuff like RCA, and Walmart brands because they are only $90 bucks or something.. Spend $120 on a brandname one and you should get a decent player.
Now for the rest of you.. Don\'t worry about Bozco\'s remark, I don\'t want this thread turning ugly.. I understand where he is comming from..
And Bozco, I do appreciate what I have.. But like a lot of people were saying about hobbies is true.. I love high end stereo equipment and stuff of that nature.. Its what I spend a lot of my money on.. Im not rich by any big means. I do have money, but I also work 9-5 m-f for my loot.. And spending it where I want is such a great priveledge.
I don\'t want people to judge because of how much money they have, I did not have money like this when I was younger, I came from some pretty bad places. I have seen poverty at its worst. And now, now I have a great job and a wonderfull family and I am going to enjoy the fruits of my labor.. Trust me, I appreciate what I have everyday I wake up..
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I´ve 3 players: PC, PS2, and Sony standard. I think PS2 plays very well the DVDs but no as a expensive standard.