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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: unknown on September 12, 2001, 01:39:34 PM
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God forbid we do but there is a chance
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If it\'s Osama Bin Laden, yes, we will probably go to war with Afganistan. President Bush said that those who commited this act will be punished as of the country that harbors (holds) them.
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May God Help Us!!
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I really doubt that.
This attack came from some terrorist group supported by one nation and only one nation. They\'ll pay, but the rest of the world has nothing to do with this. You\'ll see other nations sending their condolences to the US(take Isriel for example, they\'re having a day of mourning for the US). The world supports the US since everyone\'s economy revolves around it in some way and you know the reat.
The chances of WW3 anytime soon is next to none.
Oh, maybe a war between the US and those responsible, but it really won\'t last very long. The US would destroy them.
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We dont KNOW if he was supported by a nation.. Its just theories..
Look.. Usama is a pretty rich man.. He has about $300 million (I think it was..)
He has several trainingbases.. He has a small army they say.. Maybe even nukes.. (but I doubt that!)
Even if he is in Afganistan, they cant through him out, cuz there is a civilwar going on in there..
I dont think the afganistan goverment has enough power to "make him goway"
Afganistan is totaly destroyed as it is now..
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94% of americans agree that we should go to war. Russia is going to be an ally. China is going to be an ally. These are countries who years ago you would think, "What the hell?" Plus of course the usual allies will be there.
Anyone who puts no on this poll is an uneducated idiot. We will hit them with force that we have probably never shown before.
One thing I heard this afternoon which really felt creapy. I was listening to Rush for a little bit and a guy was going on and on about how we should present a nuclear strike. What I thought was so incredible is that normally this guy would have been hung up on as a total idiot, but he wasn\'t. Not only that, but someone as vocal as Rush did not deny the use of nukes.
I really think this strike will be very very big.
By the way, this poll probably has a +/- 6% error. heh.
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It depends if a country is backing these terriost groups then I say its a war but if not I\'d doubt it.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Russia is going to be an ally. China is going to be an ally.
Has that been conformed? I belive that Russia will back the US, but china might still be pissed at you guys for some reason. But holding a grudge is no excuse for not backing a country when they are under attack from terrorists.
But who are you going to war with? there is no specific country involved, no specific government, just a group of idiots with a few guns and an insane leader.
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Originally posted by nO-One
But who are you going to war with? there is no specific country involved, no specific government, just a group of idiots with a few guns and an insane leader.
I agree..
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if we are going to war and i hear bout a draft, im going to sign up for the air force.
and for all those who think i am in the air force, i am not. that was just my little joke. that i always had a f-16 and a f-22 (seen in my pic) sorry to those i misconcieved. it was wrong to play the joke in this situation.
but i will say that i will be at these forums when i join the air force.
and the plane ill be flying will be either the F-22, the new JSF (joint strike fighter) or a f-16
and to awnser pstwo\'s question, since i know mucho about the air force, the F-22 will replace the F-15, and although it will not be as massively produced as the F-16 was, it will play a major role. it is semi stealth, and is quite manuverable from what i hear.
the pentagon gave the go ahead a week ago for the first production run of F-22\'s so i must say that they most likely will be in service as they are built.
and to anwser the question whether there will be a war, i say there is a chance, but it wont last long.
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Originally posted by nO-One
Has that been conformed? I belive that Russia will back the US, but china might still be pissed at you guys for some reason. But holding a grudge is no excuse for not backing a country when they are under attack from terrorists.
But who are you going to war with? there is no specific country involved, no specific government, just a group of idiots with a few guns and an insane leader.
Russia and China both are not allied with us as much as allied against terrorist attacks. Countries are tired of it. And we have made it highly known and given more than one warning that any country harbouring a known terrorist will see fate if a strike is made on US soil. This includes Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Russia and China both are not allied with us as much as allied against terrorist attacks. Countries are tired of it. And we have made it highly known and given more than one warning that any country harbouring a known terrorist will see fate if a strike is made on US soil. This includes Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.
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so in other words, you say we are against most of all the arabs in the middle east....
great. i get to be pounded by more rocks.
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This attack came from some terrorist group supported by one nation and only one nation.
Ah, yes. Do keep in mind, however, that World War 1 was started by a single assasination, and a quarrel between two nations.
Should alliance systems play a major role in this, it could very well wind up being a very big deal. What if a large percentage of the Arab nations ally with eachother? What if some moderately larger nations join up with them, out of disliking for the United States? There could very well be a much larger war than you seem to anticipate.
But who are you going to war with? there is no specific country involved, no specific government, just a group of idiots with a few guns and an insane leader.
The problem is this: Afghanistan harbors Bin Laden, basically letting him stay there without any worry. So, if they don\'t hand over Laden to us, we would then possibly attack them in response to their letting this terrorist leader get away with what he\'s done, and basically supporting him.
That\'s assuming Laden is the one behind this, of course.
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Originally posted by Falcon4
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so in other words, you say we are against most of all the arabs in the middle east....
great. i get to be pounded by more rocks.
Are you insinuating that an american in the middle east isn\'t hassled? Give me a break.
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what do you mean? sure, amaricans int he us would be hassled, but why are they there? are they stupid?
i dont get what you mean videoholic.
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No, I was just saying that Americans over there get hassled too. Emberassed to admit this, but I was watching the road rules the other day when they were being pelted by rocks.
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thats not cool, i see what you mean. but i hope the us does not put all palestinians in jails or somthingliek what they did with the pearl harbor incident.....
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I doubt it, unless there governement knew about it
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Originally posted by Falcon4
thats not cool, i see what you mean. but i hope the us does not put all palestinians in jails or somthingliek what they did with the pearl harbor incident.....
That won\'t happen.
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Guys, that country has less money than Bill Gates.
I would not call this war, only slaughter, it is like fighting a 2 year old, with a tank. If America wanted to, they could pulverize any country into submission except for China, India, Pakistan, England, France, Israel, well everyone except countries with an A-Bomb.
Guys this would be laughable if one of the Arab countries had an A-Bomb, the afghans would stick out their azzes at us.
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Well there government allows them to do whatever. And if he is the one responsible for this it\'s a 95% chance that We would attack there country. Just based on the fact that they know what he is doing and just sits back and allows him to do whatever.
That makes me believe that there government is all for killing as much as the terrorist are.
I don\'t see know world war 3 coming though.(IMO)
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I think if America does invade/go to war with Afghanistan, I hope they finish what they start,
Last time America went to “war” they stopped once the oil was secure, and left uncle Saddam running things.
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Originally posted by Toxical
I think if America does invade/go to war with Afghanistan, I hope they finish what they start,
Last time America went to “war” they stopped once the oil was secure, and left uncle Saddam running things.
:laughing: :laughing: :D That good ole america for ya
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This is a day that we will remember for ages, we will tell our grandchildren where we were and what we were doing when the attack happened. In sixty years Disney will make a ****ty big budget movie about this.
Mark my words, there will be war, and while it may not be a ground war, if it is, it is our duty as American Citizens to help protect our nation and our people. If brave people from other nations are willing to put their lives on the line to help us, no able-bodied American male has the right to refuse to enlist. We will fight and destroy anyone who sacriledges our nation, destroying one of history\'s greatest landmarks with untold thousands of innocent people inside. Someone has ****ed with the United States of America, and it\'s time to return the favor, using any means necessary. If it is Afghanistan, as most people are certain it was, by the time we\'re through the Taliban, Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden will all be terrible memories that we will scare our children with in tales someday.
As John McCain said today: "May God have mercy on you... because we will not."
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Originally posted by Toxical
I think if America does invade/go to war with Afghanistan, I hope they finish what they start,
Last time America went to “war” they stopped once the oil was secure, and left uncle Saddam running things.
Who advised George Bush to pull back from Iraq, Colin Powell. I can virtually guarantee you that he will not make this same mistake twice.
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Here are a couple things I saw on the news:
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld taped a message to U.S. troops, and the reference to an upcoming conflict was almost explicit. "More -- much more -- will be asked of you in the weeks and months ahead. This is especially true of those who are in the field."
The Taliban, who control 90 percent of Afghanistan, appeal to the United States to refrain from attacking their country.
Secretary of State Colin Powell says the coalition being formed will not stop at getting the people responsible for the attack, but will go after terrorists wherever they are found.
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Didn\'t president Bush say in his latest speech that these attacks weren\'t just terrorism, but acts of war?
As soon as it is completely, 100% sure it is bin Laden behind this, America will attack. No doubts. War will come, nonetheless, and soon.
But how large will the war be?
Everyone seems to be on USA\'s side, so I believe it\'s going to be a short but very aggressive war.
We finns of course back up for Americans - and unfortunately I can\'t do nothing but sit and watch.
And I believe we\'ll hear the final decision of the USA really soon.
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I think there will be somekind of "millitary conflict" not really something called a war, something like the americans did to iraque the second time or what they did in cosvo. That Bin Laden person doesn\'t stand a chance anyway, they only have 3000 men. While the US, all of europe, china, Russia have sophisticated weaponary such as planes, warships etc + a big VERY Budget
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An attack on a NATO country is the same as an attack on ALL the NATO countries - they already said that the US will have their full support.
But having that said, the people who are yelling "NUKE \'EM" should calm down... I don\'t think you realise (I mean, really realise) what awful power nuclear weapons have - and the horrible consequence a nuclear attack would have... it\'s very very foolish to want such a thing! I hope a-bombs will never ever be used again and only be used as a sort of threat (\'look what we have...\'). And then there\'s the whole \'who to attack\' aspect. It\'s not like Iraq or some place has been pointed out to be behind - and even if it was, it isn\'t the innocent people who live there who are responsible - it would be the leader (or more like, a terrorist leader like Bin Laden). So nuking a country should never even be considered as an option.
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There might be 2 goods that come out of going to "real" war with Afghanistan:
1) Revenge, and peace of mind for all of us this mofo Bin Laden is dead. (i hope they don\'t capture him, at this point it would be so lame, i would just shoot him in the balls )
2) The people under this fu@ked up regime will be free, and hopefully will lead a good life after. (even though some civilians will die in this war)
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probably there will be a short war, and afganistan will be turned into an ash tray. we will cruise missle them to death probably, then well send the army in to get osama.
it wont be a long fight, once we are sure osama bin laden did it.
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A law was passed during Jimmy Carters era that prevented us from organizing an assasination of people like Bin ladin. I heard that one of our representatives have written up a law essentially repealling this law.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
A law was passed during Jimmy Carters era that prevented us from organizing an assasination of people like Bin ladin. I heard that one of our representatives have written up a law essentially repealling this law.
Yeah for us U.S citizens. They said the CIA released reports that they where involved in numerous acts of violence against certain authorities IN CERTAIN COUNTRIES. And we all know CIA tried and failed to take out our good ole buddy SADDAM.
Plain and simple our government can do whatever and never tell us OR give us some lame story. In anycase what I am saying is that law has not stopped them.
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Originally posted by M4
The problem is this: Afghanistan harbors Bin Laden, basically letting him stay there without any worry. So, if they don\'t hand over Laden to us, we would then possibly attack them in response to their letting this terrorist leader get away with what he\'s done, and basically supporting him.
To anyone still concerned about the acceptability of attacking Afghanistan, and specifically the Taliban, please keep in mind that the Taliban is not a valid government to begin with. They siezed power in Afghanistan through a constant application of brutality and military force alone. Political opponents and groups labeled as "infidels" in Afghanistan have been murdered or disappeared on a regular basis for many years.
Women have virtually no civil rights in Afghanistan, and they are not even permitted basic medical treatment because according to the Taliban\'s interpretation of Islamic law, male doctors may not see female patients unclothed. Women are not permitted to seek education, so they cannot obtain medical training themselves. There is no equitable system of justice in Afghanistan at this time, and accused perpetrators of relatively minor crimes are punished by beheading or having hands or feet severed without the benefit of a fair trial.
Afghanistan has been a gathering point for "militant muslims" from around the world for a long time, and numerous terrorist groups, not just Bin Laden\'s, conduct training there regularly. The Taliban\'s bizarre and disturbing policies included the destruction of their nation\'s Buddist heritage, and banning the Internet. The Taliban also turns a blind eye to Afghanistan\'s huge heroin growing and export industry, claiming that there\'s nothing in the Koran that forbids it.
This stuff has been going on for a long time now, and the world has been ignoring it. There are many reasons to attack and overturn the Taliban that have nothing to do with the recent terrorist attacks. There is just tons of information on this out there. You can start with these links if you want to read more:
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/index.html
http://www.hrw.org/worldreport99/asia/afghanistan.html
http://www.phrusa.org/research/health_effects/exec.html
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I change my answer. I doubt we will now. We got the bastard whos responsible. We would be in war if Afganistan refuses to had Bin Laden over.