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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Lavan on September 12, 2001, 03:26:27 PM
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I\'ve seen three different useless pieces of footage - all they\'re for is to further tarnish the view of muslims and arabs not only in the middle east but in the entire world.
The first footage was of some idiots in Palestine - again look at the footage, you see about 10 people around a worn down cafe-type building and most of the hooting and hollering is being done by 3 or 4 silly children who are clearly just happy to be on TV. Two of them were holding mini-Palestine flags - it\'s not like they were burning US flags - christ, they\'re children for god\'s sake - the notion of us dying is just as abstract of our notion of them dying. Do they even understand what was going on - all they\'ve known is opression and that the US (like Israel) is a symbol of their oppression (the brightest symbol of all, for the most powerful nation in the world).
Even the other two pieces of footage were from WITHIN refugee camps in Lebanon and Palestine - these people (and again, they are a MINORITY) are torn from their homes and their families - what they\'re doing is dispicable NO DOUBT - but who are we to judge them when we haven\'t walked in their shoes and who are we to tarnish the entire nation of Islam and all the arabs with the same brush as those FEW idiots.
It was ignorance that drove those celebrating to do so, and it is the SAME ignorance by some I\'m reading here and seeing on the news for blaming ALL muslims, arabs and palestinians for the bombings.
We did, and still do, the same thing when we associated Iraqi people with their ruthless DICTATOR Sadam Hussein. The Iraqi people didn\'t elect him - it\'s a farce there, oppostion leaders go missing in the night, the people there live under Sadam\'s thumb but when Desert Storm was happening we weren\'t solemn and grim when the bombs were raining down on Bahgdad - no we were glad that we were \'getting Sadam\' - when really he was hiding in his bunker while innocent Iraqi\'s (many of whom are Sadam opponents, and there are even numerous Christians there - bet you didnt\' know that) were getting killed.
Thanks to the media those people were an abstract concept - we didn\'t see them dying, we didn\'t hear THEIR stories of loved ones calling each other before dying. And likewise that minority of idiots who were cheering yesterday felt we were a similar abstract concept - so you see we are ALL privy to the same ignorance
AGAIN, and this is important, I am in no way saying that what happened yesterday should go unpunished - I sincerely hope whomever is responsible for this is swiftly brought to justice - and the only justice suitible for this heinous act is death.
So please, no calling me names - I was affected by this incident too as I mentioned before in other posts - I\'m just stating once again that we shouldn\'t stereotype a group of people based on the actions of a few - and I\'m also giving a counterpoint to why ANYONE would act the way they did - it was definately ignorant, but if we put ourselves in their shoes we can see that even we can be guilty of the same ignorance.
Okay, that\'s my last long-ass post - if you\'ve read it thanks, I\'ve done enough talking about this horrible tragedy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1540000/1540371.stm
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Too many human beings have a taste for blood. Its to the point where they hope or want to have a reason to hate
We cannot let ourselves be infected by media stimulation. Instead we need to realize that even in our own Society we have White supremacists, serial killers, and other non productive extremists.
We have numerous hating factions in this country, so many hate so much
Hate is one of the strongest forms of evil, and we need to rise above blind hate
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I personally feel that war and bloodshed has been a part of Arab and Palastine way of life for far too long, and it has become nature, at least to most, to fight as a way to solve problems.
I think that war is not the anwser. I think it is pathetic how the Israeli\'s have been fighting over land for centuries. This is why middle eastern nations have not been able to grow and prosper. The soon the fighting stops, and everyone grows up over the stupid land issue, then the sooner the two contries can become civilised.
I reckon they are jealous of countries like the US, Britain and Australia, amoung others, because of the equality of life.
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I do not hate arabs, i have many arab friends. I hate arabs which house terrorists, i hate bad arabs. I will enjoy seeing them get theirs when we bomb the hell outta them, I hope they all die and suffer just as much as the people who died in NYC did.
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I agree with you Lavan,
Only stupid fools/and retards go through life believing in one side of a story, i guess because people are too lazy, so they depend on their media to baby-feed them BS.
I\'m pissed at the media, cause they are doing the "usual" now,
"sensationalism" ... How many times are they going to show the plane crash into the building? and how many times are they going to show 9 year old kids dancing? Maybe they should kill those kids to get-off.
MAKES ME SICK.
The worst thing about the media is that they cater to joe-six-pack, Ignorant, loud-mouthed mofos.
Of course this is just MY OPINION.
I\'m not an Arab, i\'m not Muslim, i\'m a Catholic with European roots, so if i can see BS, i\'m sure a great country like the USA can too.
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right so.....when can we bomb them all?
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Its wasnt just a few people dancing around happy about the tragedy!! My brother who lives in spain said there were many arabs dancing around both adults and children saying god is great (allah). He said there are a lot more footage of these activities being shown in europe than here!
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Originally posted by Majin Prince
Its wasnt just a few people dancing around happy about the tragedy!! My brother who lives in spain said there were many arabs dancing around both adults and children saying god is great (allah). He said there are a lot more footage of these activities being shown in europe than here!
Even in Australia, where there aren\'t really that many Muslim/Arab communities, there has been graffiti on buildings and public signs, stating that their god has answered their prayers.
There is only but one God, and it isnt theirs.
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Well, technically, Allah is one and the same as our God:)
In any case, no, we should not retailiate against Arabic people. The entire race did not attack us, a select few did. I do have an intense hatred for the people responsible and the people who helped them. I don\'t care if my hate is evil, it\'s nothing compared to what they did yesterday.
But at the same time, one of my family\'s closest friends is Jordanian, and even though I\'ve heard of how Arab nations don\'t particularly care for us, I have never had a reason to distrust this man, and I would never think of him or his family as evil murderers out of association. That is the same mentality as people who think all whites are oppressive to blacks and minorities, it\'s all 110% jacked up batshit.
Love your neighbor, he might be on the field with you one day.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
There is only but one God, and it isnt theirs.
Nicely Put... ;)
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Originally posted by Lavan
(everything Lavan wrote)
Excellent said Lavan. Nothing makes me sadder than seeing people getting caught in by the media - don\'t believe for a second they\'ll show you the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.... they\'re looking for \'hot stuff\' and sentations. Come on, how many (western) people do you reckon knows and cares about the stuff that\'s happening in the middle east? Not many. It\'s just happening far away and we live our happy careless lives, so why care.... and that\'s who the media caters to.
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Easy.
Those who express joy for this event must be killed.
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Damn your right LAVAN !! people pissed me off when they were saying they are all bad and blaming them all ! its not like USA had pitty if german soldiers died ! and its the same for then ! USA is their enemy ! their opressor ! killed women and children ! same in Iraq ! 2 millions kids died since desert storm ! how can we for 1 second think that they would be sad for the enemy ????? never look one side ! both are thinking thats its good ! just depends wich side ! i for one think that it sucks on both side and i am very sadfor what happen .... very sad for what it came to..... and sad that Bush just wants to bombs a nation and kill innocent people in the process ! if bush does that...... then he his no better then the terrorist ! :(
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jp, do you have any hint of an idea on what War is?!?
Gimme the keys to the world you live in where no innocents are killed in war. I wanna see.
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Originally posted by CygnusXI
Gimme the keys to the world you live in where no innocents are killed in war. I wanna see.
I think he meant killing innocents during a bombing of a nation as opposed to killing the guilty terrorists alone.
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yep thats it ! thanks Samwise
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Originally posted by CygnusXI
Easy.
Those who express joy for this event must be killed.
I hate to say this but... I absolutelly agree.
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yeah..the islamic people this moring in my school were raving about what happened in the US..sad people if you ask me:( :confused:
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yo man !!! they are rejoicing about the event yes ! and yes i find it sad !!!! BUT THAT IS NO REASON TO KILL EM ! ITS LIKE USA DID NOTHING TO THEM !THEIR CHILDREN AND WOMEN WERE KILLED COZ OF USA ! OH NO RIGHT ISRAEL BUT USA SUPPORTED ISRAEL !!!! GEEZ !!! YOU PEOPLE
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Right, we should all herd Muslims into camps like they did with the Japanese during the second war.... :rolleyes:
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Boy, oh boy!
What are you people thinking?
We need to strike at the heart of any nation that has harbored or has funded terrorist activity in the past.
When we went to war with Iraq we did all that we could to smart bomb them in a way to protect civilian casualties. What did it get us? War is not pretty and we have to do what is right for America.
Do you really think if we make a couple of arrests this will all stop?
This was sign that if we do not take care of this now, the next attack will make this one pale in comparison.
Ace
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We shouldn\'t look to kill people who cheer an event like this. But I will tell you this, if I saw anyone in person cheering this catastrophe, I can\'t promise I would not end their life.
The evil, mean US Government is the one controlling our relationship with Israel. Those people in the tower had no say over our foreign policy. And you sick, heartless fucks are nearly justifying this. I\'d almost as soon kill you as I would those who celebrate this.
:mad:
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Weltall,
Please elaborate on that last paragraph. I am not sure I know what you are saying.
Ace
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its like americans cared when the USA army destroyed famelies and homes ,, women and children , in iraq ! and no the USA had to cut all economics intead of getting to saddam and now over 2 million kids ( innocent ) are dead or dying ! i don\'t know but thats sad ! and us here in america we are living our life like nothing happened ! but now something horribles happens to us and now its like we are the center of the world ! some of our people died ! some of yours should too ! thats bull**** ! innocent is innocent even if the are dancing in streets ! we have to understand the pain some of those people went trough ... war is war and you have no compassion for your enemy
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Remember that Saddam gased his own people. And yes, it is very sad when people have to die. Just watch TV and see some of the stories from the families of the victims. My eyes well up every night watching this story unfold.
I am sorry but things are getting very scary and we as Americans have to do something to protect our people, and that includes Arab- Americans who love this country.
Ace
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I will elaborate.
Certain people here are treating this as something we had coming, something we deserved. That those people deserved to die because we support one nation over another. INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OUR NATION\'S POLICY DIED DESERVED TO DIE BECAUSE OF IT.
That\'s just plain bullshit. Anyone who thinks that way I would not treat any differently than someone who I would see outright celebrating this.
What happens in the Middle East is WAR. It is NOT ONE-SIDED. We do favor one side over the other but our support is very limited, we do not supply them with troops, and the materials we do give them are few.
There is more to this attack than that. These motherfuckers don\'t care about what we do there. They hate us because our culture directly clashes with theirs and, while we are not the only one, we are the most powerful. This small group of wackos think they are in some holy war against our way of life.
Anyone who thinks they can justify the carnage has no right to call themselves human.
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I agree!
Thanks!
Ace
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Originally posted by Weltall
I will elaborate.
There is more to this attack than that. These motherfuckers don\'t care about what we do there. They hate us because our culture directly clashes with theirs and, while we are not the only one, we are the most powerful. This small group of wackos think they are in some holy war against our way of life.
Anyone who thinks they can justify the carnage has no right to call themselves human.
Dude, you wrote motherfuckers and it didn\'t get censored.
My vergin ears. I\'m melting!!!!
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Originally posted by Weltall
I will elaborate.
Certain people here are treating this as something we had coming, something we deserved. That those people deserved to die because we support one nation over another. INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OUR NATION\'S POLICY DIED DESERVED TO DIE BECAUSE OF IT.
That\'s just plain bullshit. Anyone who thinks that way I would not treat any differently than someone who I would see outright celebrating this.
What happens in the Middle East is WAR. It is NOT ONE-SIDED. We do favor one side over the other but our support is very limited, we do not supply them with troops, and the materials we do give them are few.
There is more to this attack than that. These motherfuckers don\'t care about what we do there. They hate us because our culture directly clashes with theirs and, while we are not the only one, we are the most powerful. This small group of wackos think they are in some holy war against our way of life.
Anyone who thinks they can justify the carnage has no right to call themselves human.
Weltall,
Tell that to a 8 year old Palestinian kid who lost his mother or father, and all that he can do is pickup a shell which has "Made in America" stamped on it off his living room floor.. Right there and then, another terrorist is born, who would sacrifice his own life to avenge his father/mother. Wouldn’t you do the same?
I think America provides most of the equipment used by the Israelis to kill Palestinians.
They hate us because our culture directly clashes with theirs How can you say that? Where did you hear that????? Which TV stations informed you on that???
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Originally posted by Weltall
\\They hate us because our culture directly clashes with theirs
:( That\'s just not true, please elaborate or give some examples.
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Toxical/ I have nothing to say to anyone who justifies this attack. Your words are condoning this attack. Unless I\'m mistaken in my observations, I hold you in no different regard than those who celebrate the attack openly.
Lavan/ In the interview with bin Laden a few years back, he states clearly that his reasons are religious, that our culture and our way of life is something of an attack on the Islam religion.
I don\'t believe it\'s really true, as evidenced by the fact that there are a good number of Muslim practitioners in America. But that\'s the reasons he gave.
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Originally posted by Weltall
Toxical/ I have nothing to say to anyone who justifies this attack.
Lavan/ In the interview with bin Laden a few years back, he states clearly that his reasons are religious, that our culture and our way of life is something of an attack on the Islam religion.
Yes, but Bin Laden is a muslim EXTREMIST, he\'s a fundamentalist who uses propaganda to justify these attacks. Muslim leaders around the world condemned these attacks, NO WHERE in the Koran does it say that murder and revenge are acceptible - like all holy books it preaches peace. But thanks to the media and just plain ignorance the entire faith of Islam is being blamed for this and honest, innocent muslims are being blamed. In Chigago a firebomb was thrown at a Muslim community center, in Texas shots were fired at a mosque, many muslim groups in the US have recieved death threats. Even in Canada this is happening, in Montreal petrol bombs were thrown at a mosque, in Oakville three young muslim boys were beaten up and closer to home for me my friend\'s mom (who wears a hijab) went to Home Depot yesterday and some guy followed her around the store calling her \'Murderer\' - he even followed her to her car and no one in the store did ANYTHING! She is one of the nicest people I know, she doesn\'t work but she volunteers at my local hospital (I should know since she helped me get a job there) and yet just because some extremists who share her faith but have it twisted have killed SHE and the rest of the Islamic world are being blamed.
I hate to resort to violence but I had of been at Home Depot yesterday when my friend\'s mom was being harrassed for just wearing a hijab I would have picked up a 2 by 4 and smacked that guy in the head. Hard. It\'s just plain ignorance to believe that these extremists were given permission to attack from their religion, or that their religion permits it, or most predjudice of all is that \'their\' culture directly conflicts the western culture.
##Racer## take note.
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If a wacko who happened to be Christian went to San Francisco and went on a shooting spree killing as many gays as he could and said it was justified because of Sodom and Gammorah would you then blame the Christian religion? No, that would be rediculous, and blaming Muslims and the faith of Islam for this attack is equally rediculous.
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Originally posted by Weltall
Toxical/ I have nothing to say to anyone who justifies this attack. Your words are condoning this attack. Unless I\'m mistaken in my observations, I hold you in no different regard than those who celebrate the attack openly.
I\'m not condoning this attack, i would shoot these mofos terrorists myself if i could. What i\'m saying is that nothing will be gained by hating people of any religion, and by killing more civilian people, that is the only thing i believe at this point. Just because i have the guts to speak out, doesn\'t mean i\'m a terrorist too. I don\'t hate anyone on this forum, this is just one topic of many, and i can live with others opinions, it doesn\'t mean i will hate them for their opinions.
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Lavan, I wasn\'t saying that Islam is to blame, I was saying bin Laden\'s twisted version of it is.
Toxical... man, I\'m sorry, I know you\'d never condone this. I just feel very strongly about all of it, and I let my emotions get the better of me. I apoligize for what I said. Everyone\'s on edge right now... we need to unite, not fight.
Friends? *offers hand*
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Originally posted by Weltall
Lavan, I wasn\'t saying that Islam is to blame, I was saying bin Laden\'s twisted version of it is.
Toxical... man, I\'m sorry, I know you\'d never condone this. I just feel very strongly about all of it, and I let my emotions get the better of me. I apoligize for what I said. Everyone\'s on edge right now... we need to unite, not fight.
Friends? *offers hand*
*Friends*, i don\'t hold grudges,
besides, it is understandable, i was pissed at one point
and all i could think about is revenge, but i want to stop
terrorists for good not just for the moment.
I know I sound harsh, but I’m not,
I’m trying just to counter all this Media spin on things, and maybe
Present some reality into this,…