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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: ProfessorX on September 13, 2001, 06:31:18 AM
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Sorry have to post this!
A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
America: The Good Neighbor.
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
I\'d like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar, build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
If so, why don\'t they fly them? Why do all the International airlines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don\'t think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I\'m one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."
Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!!
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Uh...
I think he\'s aiming his ammo the wrong way. The whole world is backing the US up in this tragedy, everyone is offering help, blood, military, condolenses (sp?), you name it. Perhaps the article would have fit better in an earlier decade?
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This can\'t be typical of Canadian beliefs at this time. No Canadian I know or have ever met would say things like this. Even I, a US citizen would never say this stuff, and nor would any of my friends. This is not just pro-american, it\'s anti-everyone else. I\'m not into that sort of thing. All this makes me skeptical of the source of this quotation. Could it be this was an attempt at humor? I will have to look into it.
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Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
Yes the air-bus..
An international project here in Europe.
They\'re planing to build the biggest aeroplane in the world..
AXX3 or something?
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Originally posted by fastson
Yes the air-bus..
An international project here in Europe.
They\'re planing to build the biggest aeroplane in the world..
AXX3 or something?
[this kind of off topic has that ps2 always been in your pic. I swore i thought that use to be a gun]
AND YES AMERICA NEVER REALLY GETS BACKED LIKE THE WAY THEY HAVE BACKED OTHER COUNTRIES.
I am over the american pride thing. I mean could you imagine having your ppl killed, pillaged and over thrown? ALA the indianS. American has a lot to pay for the things it has done. They went overseas stole all the resources and brought them over here.
They say the sins of the father fall on the son. Sadly we are the ones paying for the cruel things are anciesters did. And don\'t misconstrew this. I am all for justice and the paying back for those who did this horrible act. I mean thousands have lost there lives. But america is reaping back all the cruel it has did throughout the years. I mean we have done some horrible things. And it is sad.
I mean I am sad and hurt bye what has happen to us but look at what we have done to innocent ppl. All those chemicals that where spread in africa. Millions get sick just so we could go in and raid mines and steal the diamonds.
SO PROUD OF AMERICA NO..I AM JUST SAD THIS HAPPEN TO PPL THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING.
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This guy is pretty ignorant/lame/stupid,
that airplane bit was total BS,
:eek: i feel sorry for the person that wrote this, and is not representative of most Canadians let me assure you, although there are chip-eating-beer-guzzling-ignorant monkeys no matter where you are.
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This article was actually written in the late 70\'s, I believe. I have seen this article many times before. In fact, if memory serves, Gordon Sinclair died in the late 80\'s.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
[this kind of off topic has that ps2 always been in your pic. I swore i thought that use to be a gun]
AND YES AMERICA NEVER REALLY GETS BACKED LIKE THE WAY THEY HAVE BACKED OTHER COUNTRIES.
I am over the american pride thing. I mean could you imagine having your ppl killed, pillaged and over thrown? ALA the indianS. American has a lot to pay for the things it has done. They went overseas stole all the resources and brought them over here.
They say the sins of the father fall on the son. Sadly we are the ones paying for the cruel things are anciesters did. And don\'t misconstrew this. I am all for justice and the paying back for those who did this horrible act. I mean thousands have lost there lives. But america is reaping back all the cruel it has did throughout the years. I mean we have done some horrible things. And it is sad.
I mean I am sad and hurt bye what has happen to us but look at what we have done to innocent ppl. All those chemicals that where spread in africa. Millions get sick just so we could go in and raid mines and steal the diamonds.
SO PROUD OF AMERICA NO..I AM JUST SAD THIS HAPPEN TO PPL THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING.
This is the kind of sh*t I absolutely love! Hey QuDDus where do you live? Fuc*in joke...get out if you don\'t like or are ashamed of where you live!
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Originally posted by Samwise
Uh...
I think he\'s aiming his ammo the wrong way. The whole world is backing the US up in this tragedy, everyone is offering help, blood, military, condolenses (sp?), you name it. Perhaps the article would have fit better in an earlier decade?
Name me ONE just ONE time when ANY country gave us any money in time of need? How many times have the US helped other countries?
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Need I say more???? A huge terrorist attack on American Soil with damage in the billions and were still helping others out! Yeah we suck??? Note the fu*kin date! A little close to the tragedy that has plagued us wouldn\'t you say??
http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/09/13/economy/wires/fed_ecb_re/
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In another move to calm global financial markets rattled by the terror attacks on the U.S., the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank agreed Thursday to a swap arrangement aimed at aiding the cash needs of European banks affected by the disaster.
Under the arrangement announced by the U.S. central bank, the ECB would be able to draw up to $50 billion, while the Federal Reserve Bank of New York will get an equivalent amount of deposits in euros, the ECB\'s sponsored currency.
"The ECB will make these dollar deposits available to national central banks of the Eurosystem, which will use them to help meet dollar liquidity needs of European banks, whose U.S. operations have been affected by the recent disturbances in the United States," the Fed said in a statement.
The swap line is set to expire in 30 days, the Fed said.
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Originally posted by Toxical
This guy is pretty ignorant/lame/stupid,
that airplane bit was total BS,
:eek: i feel sorry for the person that wrote this, and is not representative of most Canadians let me assure you, although there are chip-eating-beer-guzzling-ignorant monkeys no matter where you are.
Read your own comment and tell me again who is ignorant and stupid will you please?
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
This is the kind of sh*t I absolutely love! Hey QuDDus where do you live? Fuc*in joke...get out if you don\'t like or are ashamed of where you live!
You have to learn to totally ignore his posts. Anytime you see the aliens in his avatar you should know not to read it. Luckily he likes to write text in a totally unreadable blue.
On another note, how anyone can say this text from this canadian is bogus, well you are crazy. It\'s mind boggling how much money the US pumps out to other countries. We give billions of dollars to Russia. They have a missle defense. We don\'t.. Hmmm. How can they affor dit and we can\'t.
We give money to every country with the sniffles. A lot of the money we give granted in turn gets pumped right back to us by helping the economy, but for anyone to say that we don\'t give WAY more than we receive, you are in need of serious mental health.
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That is a very nice article, but it was written in 1973 by Gordon Sinclair as Weltall said. He died in 1984.
Here (http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/sinclair.htm) is the article with a description but it seems to be down at the moment. And here\'s a quote on another BBS:
Michael, if you read the responses, you\'ll note that this article was written in 1973. It\'s just being dredged up by bad journalism (ie. the internet) and reported as a new item. The author has been dead for ~17 years.
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i dont think the guy is pro usa and anti everyone else, i mean if you read what he said, no europeans gloat at america when they see the dollar value drop, only the stupid 3rd world countries do.
there are soo many US, and UN soilders around the world in peace keeping efforts, many of the soilders dont see their family for a year or more.
true, the USA has helped many countries, but given, the United States IS the most powerful country in the entire world, so it has to set an example. it is the home of the free, and the home of the brave.
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QuDDus.
Do you mean to tell me that this country has been so evil as to earn your contempt?
Do you know why America used to be LOVED by Middle Eastern countries?
Because back when European countries were still considered Super-Powers, they were colonizing the living sh i t out of everything they could get their hands on. Did America?
Nope.
Sure, you can point out certain liberties that the gov. of the USA have taken, but, some could consider those the spoils of war, rather than flat out taking of land.
For example:
The Pacific Islands from Hawaii to the Phillipines. Taken from the Spanish as the aftermath of the Spanish war in 1898. Same thing with Puerto Rico. Hell, we even supplanted the very freedom force we backed up in Cuba with THE SAME EXACT SPANISH RULERS.
Was it fair or equitable? Uh-uh. Was taking of land from the Indians a good thing to do? Hell, no, and it sickens me.
Am I glad I live in America, the way it is now? Am I now, and will I always be proud as a m other fu cker to be an American? YOU BET YOUR SWEET, SORRY AS S!!
It sickens me when pieces of crap like you and "Rage Against the Machine" constantly tell you how evil America is, but benefit from the same "machine" they are raging against.
So, who is more evil, America, or the scumbags who decry it and wouldn\'t leave if you held a gun to their heads?
If you wanna see how great America is, I suggest you go 10 minutes past the border of Texas and visit a wasteland of a town called Piedras Negras. I was there about 6 or 7 years ago, then had a friend go down there 4 months ago.
You will never, ever, ever feel better to be an American, as when your plane touches down in your home town.
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Thanks for supporting me and the United States guys!@!@ Jesus I thought I was the only damn one proud to be an American!
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
Read your own comment and tell me again who is ignorant and stupid will you please?
That is easy
i dont\' get my world views through propaganda swept media.
Where do you get yours? at the bar?
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Originally posted by THX
That is a very nice article, but it was written in 1973 by Gordon Sinclair as Weltall said. He died in 1984.
Here (http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/sinclair.htm) is the article with a description but it seems to be down at the moment. And here\'s a quote on another BBS:
You know what THX if that article was written in 1973 then thats fu*kin sad because all the crap thats in that article still rings true like a mother f*cker today! Just a sad...really sad!
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QuDDus.
Do you mean to tell me that this country has been so evil as to earn your contempt?
Do you know why America used to be LOVED by Middle Eastern countries?
Because back when European countries were still considered Super-Powers, they were colonizing the living sh i t out of everything they could get their hands on. Did America?
Nope.
Sure, you can point out certain liberties that the gov. of the USA have taken, but, some could consider those the spoils of war, rather than flat out taking of land.
For example:
The Pacific Islands from Hawaii to the Phillipines. Taken from the Spanish as the aftermath of the Spanish war in 1898. Same thing with Puerto Rico. Hell, we even supplanted the very freedom force we backed up in Cuba with THE SAME EXACT SPANISH RULERS.
Was it fair or equitable? Uh-uh. Was taking of land from the Indians a good thing to do? Hell, no, and it sickens me.
Am I glad I live in America, the way it is now? Am I now, and will I always be proud as a m other fu cker to be an American? YOU BET YOUR SWEET, SORRY AS S!!
It sickens me when pieces of crap like you and "Rage Against the Machine" constantly tell you how evil America is, but benefit from the same "machine" they are raging against.
So, who is more evil, America, or the scumbags who decry it and wouldn\'t leave if you held a gun to their heads?
If you wanna see how great America is, I suggest you go 10 minutes past the border of Texas and visit a wasteland of a town called Piedras Negras. I was there about 6 or 7 years ago, then had a friend go down there 4 months ago.
You will never, ever, ever feel better to be an American, as when your plane touches down in your home town.
You have to learn to totally ignore his posts. Anytime you see the aliens in his avatar you should know not to read it. Luckily he likes to write text in a totally unreadable blue
yOU KNOW what? why do you have to be so anal all the time? do you make and effort out of it or does it come natural? I am sick and tired off your little grade school and childish remarks about me. You claim to be a grown MAN BUT YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE CHILDISH REMARKS. YOUR NOR ****ING BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE AND YOUR OPINOINS DON\'T MEAN **** OVER ANYONES ELSES.I AM TIRED OF THIS CRAP. JUST BECAUSE I DON\'T FEEL THE SAME AMOUNT OF PRIDE AS YOU DO.
PRIDE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT HOW THESE TRAGIC EVENTS HAVE HURT SO MANY PPL. I AM NOT LOOKING AT THE SITUATIONS AS AMERICAN THING I AM LOOKING AT IS AS HUMAN BEING. SO LEAVE ME THE FUC ALONE I HAVE SO MUCH ON MIND ALREADY. THIS THING IS BIGGER THAN SO FREAKIN FORUM SQUABBLE.
This is the kind of sh*t I absolutely love! Hey QuDDus where do you live? Fuc*in joke...get out if you don\'t like or are ashamed of where you live!
OK FIRST OF ALL LET ME SAY I was not dissing being a american I was just saying I COULD GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT AMERICAN PRIDE. I never saID i HATE THE OPPORTUNITIES AND BENIFITS WE ARE ABLE TO RECIEVE BEING A AMERICAN. I was simply saying as far as american pride goes. I could careless.
EVERYONE SAYING OH THEY HAVE HURT THE PRIDE OF THE AMERICAN PPL. I could give a rats ass about pride. Because we have did the same to millions of ppl as well. I am only concerned about all the innocents being slain over nothing. i see humans beings not a country.
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Quddus you are always writing degrading remarks about being american. Whether it be your crappy car. OR your hatred for Bush, or whatever. To tell you the truth I don\'t really remember what you\'ve written because you always write so much that I fall asleep after the second sentence.
And as far as you calling me every name in the book, big deal. Grow up.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Quddus you are always writing degrading remarks about being american. Whether it be your crappy car. OR your hatred for Bush, or whatever. To tell you the truth I don\'t really remember what you\'ve written because you always write so much that I fall asleep after the second sentence.
And as far as you calling me every name in the book, big deal. Grow up.
your telling me to grow up and evey time i look up your making some smart ass school girl remark about me.
AND I DON\'T HAVE TO LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT AMERICA. I love somethings and I hate somethings. But that does not mean that I am not sadden or hurt about all things that have taken place. ANd I have let that be known. I just don\'t have a strong luv for american pride.
YOU KNOW WHAT I DON\'T WANT TO FIGHT WITH YOU I AM A GROWN man AND IT MAKES NO SENSE TO COME HERE TIME AFTER TIME AND FIND MYSELF SQUABBING OVER SOMETHING THAT MEANS NOTHING WITH YOU.
I MEAN I DON\'T AGREE WITH SOMETHINGS YOU FEEL STRONGLY FOR AND YOU DON\'T AGREE WITH THINGS I FEELS STRONGLY FOR. THE BIG PICTURE here is the tragedy and not fighting over american pride. can we at least agree of that?
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Yawn... Nap time.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Yawn... Nap time.
ok fuc it then if your going to be a complete idiot about it then fine. I TRIED TO save face with you. But have shown to be nothing but a little child. I am tired of these fucing school girls squabbles all fucing day all the time.
It\'s this it\'s that. OMG I feel like I am in fucing grade school on the playground.
You fucing win Videoholic. I am leaviNG MAYBE I WILL COME BACK AT A different time. But as of now I goto much **** on my mind and I luv coming to these forums but I just can\'t take these stupid fights all the time. It just has weaken me so much to come here and all the time fighting over something stupid.
peace man I did really like you as a poster and i\'ll see you another time. As of now I just goto take time away peace.
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OK FIRST OF ALL LET ME SAY I was not dissing being a american I was just saying I COULD GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT AMERICAN PRIDE. I never saID i HATE THE OPPORTUNITIES AND BENIFITS WE ARE ABLE TO RECIEVE BEING A AMERICAN. I was simply saying as far as american pride goes. I could careless.
EVERYONE SAYING OH THEY HAVE HURT THE PRIDE OF THE AMERICAN PPL. I could give a rats ass about pride. Because we have did the same to millions of ppl as well. I am only concerned about all the innocents being slain over nothing. i see humans beings not a country.
Alot of people died so you can have the opportunities you have now!! Basically you appeciate being an American when you are getting your opportunites but when it comes to showing pride you are void of it? Your a selfish bastard! You blame your lack of pride on what other people in the country have done but then you totally miss the point about what being American is all about don\'t you??
Freedeom of speech, Innocent until proven guilty, right to due process, etc.... I don\'t have fuc*in time to give you a fuc*in history lesson but many good men and women have died to bring you the opportunities that you use everyday without even fu*kin knowing it! Try growing up in a third world country for the majority of your life then you might appreciate it! Why the FUC* do you think so many people want to come here? Jesus you need to grow up quick and stop living in that surreal world you have set up for yourself!
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
Alot of people died so you can have the opportunities you have now!! Basically you appeciate being an American when you are getting your opportunites but when it comes to showing pride you are void of it? Your a selfish bastard! You blame your lack of pride on what other people in the country have done but then you totally miss the point about what being American is all about don\'t you??
Freedeom of speech, Innocent until proven guilty, right to due process, etc.... I don\'t have fuc*in time to give you a fuc*in history lesson but many good men and women have died to bring you the opportunities that you use everyday without even fu*kin knowing it! Try growing up in a third world country for the majority of your life then you might appreciate it! Why the FUC* do you think so many people want to come here? Jesus you need to grow up quick and stop living in that surreal world you have set up for yourself!
You know what, i won\'t call you names, and i won\'t insult you, i don\'t even know you, but you got to think about what you wrote,
freedom of speech = my azz.
innocent until proven guilty = ask condit if he got that.
due process = some people want to kill civilians +terrorist in the same breath.
surreal world you have set up for yourself
what have you been smoking? fess up,...
QuDDus has as much right as you or me stating his opinion, you might not like it, don\'t read it, or ignore him, "FREE SPEECH"
I love free speech, even if it pisses people off, just remember, this is in off-topic, and concerns this terrorist act, don’t get pissed, or angry in other words personal, at anyone with a different view of things, because if you do, you are feeble minded.
That misguided persons letter you posted,
America went to the moon, and yes Germans make fine cars, but did you also know that without those german rocket scientists that america took as "War Reparations", Russians would have been first on the moon? Yup, that is correct, a red flag would have been there in the moon sand.