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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: fastson on September 19, 2001, 07:51:59 AM
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Here is the article (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/story.cfm?sid=3411)
True Gamecube picture points to financial games disaster
Reports surfacing in Japan are pointing to a grim picture of the Gamecube launch and the ramifications of world events for America this year
300,000 consoles? Looks like someone somewhere is telling porky pies. Sales figures released in Japan for Gamecube last week are telling a rather different story, and the outlook is not good. According to a string of reports, official numbers show a mere 174,856 machines were sold last week, alongside an almost staggeringly low 178,352 pieces of software.
It gets worse. Sega\'s addictive puzzler Super Monkey Ball, despite initial reports yesterday pointing to sales of around 80,000, only managed to move 22,645 copies. That, ladies and germs, is really, really bad for a piece on Nintendo launch software. Add to that the fact that only 22,645 people in a country containing a game-mad population of nearly 130 million saw fit to buy Wave Race Blue Storm, an "updated" version of the N64 classic water sports title, and you are looking at what could easily be termed as an initial failure.
Luigi\'s Mansion was the star of the show, bagging 137,677 copies at retail. That does not, however, make up for the fact that Japanese stores are reporting a sell-through of hardware of a practically pathetic 50 percent.
It gets even worse. A Nikkei report has been quick to latch on to the fact that the incredibly disappointing figures may not just be down to a weak launch line-up, but are also being affected by terrorist attacks against the USA last week. As CVG reported yesterday, American games stocks crashed after the re-opening of the New York Stock Exchange on Monday, but the situation among the Big Eight (Nintendo, Sega, Sony, Namco, Capcom, Konami, Square, Enix) in Japan is catastrophic. According to the service, combined losses among companies amounted to a staggering £17.5 billion in the last seven days. The outlook for the States in decidedly black in the wake of the Nikkei\'s nose-dive and terror attacks on New York and Washington.
"There is a strong likelihood that demand for video games will shrink fast at a time of emergency like this because they are not essential to national security," Hirotoshi Murakami, an analyst at Kokusai Securities told the Japanese publication.
"The Gulf War had little influence on game sales, but if US retaliation develops into a drawn-out war, little can be predicted about the fate of the game industry" an official at Capcom Japan added.
Patrick Garratt
Wednesday, 19 September 2001 14:21 GMT
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It seams like Sony is going to keep Japan exlusive! Hmmm isn´t that good for Sony?
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Originally posted by Bossieman
It seams like Sony is going to keep Japan exlusive! Hmmm isn´t that good for Sony?
It sure is..
I read somewhere that Sony has 85% of the Japanese market! :) :D :fro:
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Interesting Fastson. Sony has only 15% left in Japan. Then Japan is completed.
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DIE nintendo DIE!
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Originally posted by mm
DIE nintendo DIE!
WORD
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Originally posted by Bossieman
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LMAO ROFL LOLOLOLOL
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I\'m pissing my pants at that one. :laughing:
As for the topic, I\'m disapointed with the poor start in Japan but I think it will be a different story in North America. I still can\'t wait to get my hands on a GC this fall.
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I can\'t stand Nintendo so I\'m pretty happy.
Oh btw, I bought a DC today and having loads of fun with it.
Shenmue is truely epic :)
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wow, its even lower than they expected that they sold on that day... wow. thats not good at all. they have to rely on america and europe to bring along sales, and with 3 games, almost all of which appeal to younger audience who cant afford to buy it at launch, well ithey will have trouble.
i really expected them to rival sony in japan.
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Originally posted by JP
I can\'t stand Nintendo so I\'m pretty happy.
Oh btw, I bought a DC today and having loads of fun with it.
Shenmue is truely epic :)
I would like an explanation why you dont like nintendo, if your goin to say something that big you have to back it up
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why does he have to back it up.
WHy can\'t he just not like Nintendo.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
why does he have to back it up.
WHy can\'t he just not like Nintendo.
Because I\'m wondering how you can not like nintendo, or not like any game company for that matter, I dont care what company makes what consoles, as long as good games are coming out, and I think I was asking him
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Why don\'t you like DC, or Sega for that matter?
It looks like you have got some talking to do buddy :rolleyes:
I don\'t like Nintendo, because their games are simply mindless.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by mm
DIE nintendo DIE!
This is a dark day for Nintendo and I\'m laughing my @$$ off. I went on my friends nintendo site and went on his forums and started rubbing it in their face. I had a good time. My friends hate me now.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Why don\'t you like DC, or Sega for that matter?
It looks like you have got some talking to do buddy :rolleyes:
I don\'t like Nintendo, because their games are simply mindless.
Eric Jacob
I like the DC and SEGA for that matter, I owned a Genesis and loved it, the only reason I ever bashed a DC is because I just felt like being a **** or I didnt like the person standing up for the DC, there ya go
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Uhhhhh........nintendo isn\'t off to a great start are they? Well I wonder how xbox is going to do in japan now?:thepimp: :thepimp:
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According to a string of reports,
a string of reports eh? How many times has CVG.com posted bullsh!t to get some hits?
Taken from IGNCube
According to Nikkei Net and Bloomberg, Nintendo sold 300,000 GameCubes in the first three days following the console\'s launch. Putting the near-dead Nintendo 64 behind it, Nintendo is right on track with its primary GCN sales forcast.
Nintendo of Japan spokesman Yasuhiro Minigawa indicated, "We have done well so far, and sales are in line with our projections."
The company sold around two-thirds (66%) of the primary 450,000 GameCubes that were shipped to retailers. And in spite of Nintendo\'s previous plans to ship 500,000 GameCubes to stores, Nintendo of Japan\'s Director, Hiroshi Imanishi reiterated, "Initial sales were in line with our projections," indicating it had little effect on sell-through. The remaining 50,000 unit shipment is tardy due to production and shipping slowdowns. Nintendo says they will ship by the end of September.
The three-day software sales for Luigi\'s Mansion, Super Monkey Ball, and Wave: Race Blue Storm peaked somewhere in between 360,000-400,000 units total. Luigi\'s Mansion was the best-seller and topped Japan videogame charts selling well into the 100,000s.
Keeping the hardware coming, Nintendo will continue to ship more GameCubes in Japan where domestic shipments are expected to reach 100,000 in October, 200,000 in November, and 600,000 in December. This would put 1.4 million GameCubes on the Japanese market for the holiday season. Stateside Nintendo projects it will put 1.1 million GameCubes into retailers hands by the end of 2001, bringing the grand total to 2.5 million GameCubes shipped internationally.
If all goes as planned the Big N will push four million GameCubes into consumers\' hands by March 2002. IGNcube will have more GameCube hardware and software sales data in the near future.
Far from a disaster IMO.
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Originally posted by Gohan
a string of reports eh? How many times has CVG.com posted bullsh!t to get some hits?
I don\'t know, how many?
I honestly can\'t recall any. DailyRadar UK and its US brethen posted some pretty stupid stuff in their day, but I highly respect CVG and I\'ve never had any gripes with their journalism. If anything, the only thing you can hold against them is that they seem overtly enthusiastic about almost every single game.
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"Oh btw, I bought a DC today and having loads of fun with it.
Shenmue is truely epic" - JP
Yes it is. I wanna warn you though, please do not pick up Phantasy Star Online under any circumstances. It is highly addictive and may have serious concequences on your social life. I don\'t doubt that before long, we\'ll be seeing Charter Beacon commecials telling parent\'s and spouses the hazards of PSO abuse. (Besides, v.2 comes out in just a few more days nehow. :D )
BTW: I don\'t like Nintnedo either ( :p <- @ Bozco). I\'m still holding a grudge against them for what they did to Sega in the 8 bit daze.
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The reason for me not liking Nintendo is basically coz I think the games are incredibly boring. Pure and simple.
Their game philosophy ain\'t my idea of fun that\'s all.
BTW, SonyFan, I don\'t think PSO is gonna be problem, seeing as I don\'t like RPGs that much :)
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I don\'t know who too believe. But nintendo launched with three none stellar games what did they expect. No mario at launch:eek:
I don\'t hate nintendo and I would want to see them to stay in the console world. I mean I was not upset that they don\'t cater to the mature gamer no more. Sega was always more mature to me than nintendo ever was. And now I have sony and soon Microsoft. So I think with consoles already catering to a certain market somebody has too look out for the little rugrats.
And why not nintendo? I mean sure I hated nintendo business practices in the 80\'s and the way they dissed developers with the n64 and charged me the gamer 79.99 for video games. Oh wait now I am mad at nintendo damn.
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Who really gives a **** about the launch.
In a years time when it is established in all areas we will be able to tell wether its a failure or not, which IMO it wont be.
It was just 3 ****ing days
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Just in the gamecube sale number are even LOWER try 133,719 saids famusti
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This is truly a crappy launch.
:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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^^^^^Quick question. WTF do those charts represent? You can\'t just put of charts and not tell us what the hell they are for? Example: In Asia 65% percent of the people, and another 15%.
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he got them from a guy that posted them at teamxbox, those are the charts that famitsu gave for how much GC sold, I dont know how long of a period they represent, something like the first day i think
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Originally posted by Gohan
^^^^^Quick question. WTF do those charts represent? You can\'t just put of charts and not tell us what the hell they are for? Example: In Asia 65% percent of the people, and another 15%.
Look at the second chart. Thats how many systems were sold this week in japan. :cool:
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If 2Pac was alive and working for Nintendo he probably say the following:
"5 shots couldn\'t drop me,"
"i took it in style,"
"i tell it to your face,"
"you ain\'t nothing but a faker."
"wise words being quoted"
\'biatch get ready for the throw-down"
"the sh!t is about to go down"
:smokin:
I think Nintendo will do great, ... no matter how good/bad their first week, or month is.
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Rastalant,
You always seem to be hunting out for any negative Nintendo news.. coincidence?
Frankly, I don\'t give a sh!t how any console does, as long as there is money in my pocket, they will all be sitting in my room.
/ dm /
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Originally posted by datamage
Rastalant,
You always seem to be hunting out for any negative Nintendo news.. coincidence?
Frankly, I don\'t give a sh!t how any console does, as long as there is money in my pocket, they will all be sitting in my room.
/ dm /
I don\'t hunt for bad news for nintendo. Its not my fault that nintendo hasn\'t had the most successful launch. Its so many negitive reports on them this week. :thepimp:
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I have two friends who are really nintendo fanboys. I went to his site to rub it in their face. They said that the launch was terrific. What a couple of morons. They said that PS2 only had a great launch because people wanted it to and it had a DVD player. What a load of crap. They can\'t win the arguement so they make up crap. I gave them launch statistics and they still said that it had a great launch. They believe what they want to believe no matter how hard the evidence is. They just won\'t believe that their beloved system is dying. Anybody want to back me up in my arguement against them, ask me for a link on this thread.
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Originally posted by Vulcan Raven
Who really gives a **** about the launch.
In a years time when it is established in all areas we will be able to tell wether its a failure or not, which IMO it wont be.
It was just 3 ****ing days
Thats the same thing that happended with the Dreamcast in Jap...
i feel that the Gamecube MIGHT go the Dreamcast way...i hope not...
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Originally posted by Titan
I have two friends who are really nintendo fanboys. I went to his site to rub it in their face. They said that the launch was terrific. What a couple of morons. They said that PS2 only had a great launch because people wanted it to and it had a DVD player. What a load of crap. They can\'t win the arguement so they make up crap. I gave them launch statistics and they still said that it had a great launch. They believe what they want to believe no matter how hard the evidence is. They just won\'t believe that their beloved system is dying. Anybody want to back me up in my arguement against them, ask me for a link on this thread.
The launch wasn\'t very successful, but that doesn\'t mean the console is dying. It hasn\'t even started to live yet. Just give it time.
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Uh Titan I hate to break it to you but your friends are kinda right. It\'s a well known fact that the PS2 sold as a DVD player to alot of people.
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You miss understood me. Sorry for wording it wrong. I know it was used as a DVD player. But it sold because Sony wanted it to? I don\'t get it. I admit that I made a mistake about the DVD player part. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Ill_Fated
Uh Titan I hate to break it to you but your friends are kinda right. It\'s a well known fact that the PS2 sold as a DVD player to alot of people.
Yes, but does that justify the poor sales of the NGC? NO. Nintendo had the choice to put a DVD player in there console or not, so it\'s their fault it didn\'t sell well. Also, isn\'t there a seperate NGC that has a DVD player that costs the same as the PS2 did, or has that not been released yet?
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IMO, if they put a DVD player in they would have had a great launch. But they didn\'t and now they just screwed themselves.
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I don\'t see how adding DVD playback would have helped the GCN. It sold the PS2 since it added another function while people waited for their games to be released but that seems like a trick that only works once (although, IMO, they were buying the PS2 as a gaming machine and not a DVD player, the DVD just offered incentive to buy a PS2 early on). My bet is that people just don\'t want to have a console but wait for games again.
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ho3j, I didn\'t think about that. You\'re right.
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Not suprising since japan was not ready for gamecube, I have been there and there was no advertisement in shops or tv. The japanese seemd to be more interested in FFX and some weird wonderswan games
I wonder what jumpmans reaction will be to this
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Originally posted by Gohan
^^^^^Quick question. WTF do those charts represent? You can\'t just put of charts and not tell us what the hell they are for? Example: In Asia 65% percent of the people, and another 15%.
A chart is a method of displaying data collected from a set topic , it can be displayed in a wide range of methods and for the most part you can find these by using wither Mircosoft Word or Excell.
Chart pro\'s
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- They can be used to show data easily over a wide range of values.
- Data from the chart can be cross checked to the dat values that where collected.
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Chart con\'s
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- Can not be used in the process of performing statisical information (because they are represented as totals or %) but the data has already been anaylsed and this is just a simple representationof the data.
- you can look foolish if you use funny colours in your charts
- you cant eat Pie Charts
- Shure as anything JUMPMAN will say they are faules and a poor way of shown Console sales.
- and if that don\'t work he will say its earily days and we have to wait to see the real picture.
- oh and if that don\'t work he will quote my ass to hell and backlike he dose with everyone else in this forum.
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p.s
Only j/k Jumpman i am folling with you
;) :laughing: :surprised :rolleyes: :shy: :clown: :thepimp: