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Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: datamage on September 22, 2001, 03:57:25 PM
Interesting article, I suggest you guys give it a read.

Click here. (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-000075191sep19.story)

Thoughts?

/ dm /
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: videoholic on September 22, 2001, 05:55:40 PM
I think this has a lot to do with Bush saying that this will be a war like no other wars.  This is going to be a very stressful war for these terrorist.  They are going to be cut off from the entire world.  They will have no allies.  

This also probably has a lot to do with how we are going to go after nations who harbor terorists.  Granted these losers live in caves and are very tough to get to, but they will will have no money and no friends and no where to go.  It will be like they are in the Big Brother House.
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: QuDDus on September 22, 2001, 06:22:33 PM
The only mistake the usa is making is trusting these western countries. I mean they say they are not for terrorism but they don\'t want to help fight and get rid of it.

When this all goes down they will show there true colors. They had the former pakestand prime minister on Cnn and he said these guys with bin laden that flew the planes into the wtc where not even from afghanastand. They where nativeas of other countries.

So I think the WE should just proceed with much caution.
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: THX on September 22, 2001, 07:26:51 PM
Hmmmm, nice read, really making me think.  All I know is that we need to send a message to the world that terrorism will not be tolerated.  6,500+ people died on Sept 11.  We cannot just simply sit back and do nothing.

Get to their leaders (ie- bin Laden, Sadaam) and they will be less organized and less resourceful.  Then maybe an immense tragedy such as WTC will never happen again.

Warfare against these people has to be extremly smart.  We have to outsmart the locals, weed out the terrorists from the innocents and find some sort of a pattern (if one exists) to differentiate between the two.
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: Samwise on September 23, 2001, 12:11:39 AM
Brilliant article and I think what he said was so very true. IMO you can\'t just bomb a few \'bases\' and think you\'ve won the \'war\'. It can\'t be done that way. And either way it won\'t be pretty...
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: Toxical on September 23, 2001, 12:24:06 PM
Very good article.

i think sending in remote smart bombs is pointless, either put troops there, or forget the whole thing altogether, you might kill one terrorist to 100 civilian Casualties. If that happens there won\'t be a coalition, but WWIII   IMO.
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: fastson on September 23, 2001, 02:46:23 PM
A very good article.. Read it everybody!! :shy:
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: Falcon4 on September 23, 2001, 02:50:36 PM
we will have to go in. and i bet we wont send new recruits in there either. i bet we will send special ops troops into the country to minimize losses.

sure afganistan is tough,  but we will ahve to go in and fight. there is no alternative. unless you are a stupid ass.
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: JerginsSoft on September 23, 2001, 03:23:11 PM
You forget some things about the US military, and the way the Afghan struggle was fought last time around.

First, we have seen our share of the "enemy" wearing sheep\'s clothing in Viet Nam.  Our gov. has most assuredly learned how to deal with these insurgents.  There\'s no way you can go through something like that and NOT learn about it.

Second, Russia\'s enemy was armed, trained, and supported by the most powerful country on Earth, America.

No such luck for these guys this time around.  They will be cut off and hunted down by the people that taught them their tricks.

Granted, they probably have some stuff up their sleeves, but, for the most part, it will be a totally different fight, altogether.

We have learned from our mistakes, and the mistakes of others, including Russia.

We may not be in as much trouble as they think.
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: Samwise on September 24, 2001, 07:51:05 AM
It might be a different fight, but will it be all that different? I guess only time will tell.
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: lionken07 on September 24, 2001, 08:58:33 AM
and their followers are well-trained... All of them are willin\' to give their lives to god damn Osama...
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: Metal_Gear_Ray on September 24, 2001, 09:08:23 AM
thats indeed a very inteligent well written article, they made some very good points. Only time will tell I guess ....:confused:
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: Falcon4 on September 24, 2001, 11:40:51 AM
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Originally posted by lionken07
and their followers are well-trained... All of them are willin\' to give their lives to god damn Osama...


they are not willing to give their lives to osama, they are giving their lives for the sake of their religion, islam. osama is just their leader....

they have a fatwa or "holy war" on the us. so they are doing it for their religion.
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: Toxical on September 24, 2001, 03:55:13 PM
hmmm, islam is not a blood thirsty religion, i think it is some azzholes that hide behind it, and try to stirr sh!t by saying it is Gods will...  i dont\' think people that practice this religion are "all" fanatics, out to kill everyone. I think all religions have their bad apples
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: videoholic on September 24, 2001, 05:50:46 PM
There was a great piece on Dateline from inside Afghanistan.   What a sad country.  The poor people.  This Taliban has to be gotten rid of.

They showed public executions that they do in a soccer stadium that came from money donated to the country.  When the reporter asked the Taliban gentleman to stop doing executions in the stadium he said they would if more aid could come in for them to build a public execution facility and then they would re-open the soccer for soccer.  

These people are irrational.  They must be exterminated.  They are not human.  They have the regular people of afghanistan eating bread crumbs and living in delapidated structures.  
Hideous.
Title: Can the USA be making a mistake?
Post by: Toxical on September 24, 2001, 07:12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Videoholic
There was a great piece on Dateline from inside Afghanistan.   What a sad country.  The poor people.  This Taliban has to be gotten rid of.


I agree, dont\' stop with Bin Laden, get rid of the Taliban.