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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: JC-21 on September 23, 2001, 10:10:41 PM
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I mean nintendo\'s launch in Japan is not to great. PS2 sales are still strong as ever. I know people in Japan they said there are GC\'s all over the place on teh shelves and used ones already. Plus you know Isaw that one thread and someone sayign GC launch games blow away PS2 ones right now. I must say I have seen GC in person and Luigi\'s mansion and Wave Race could be done on PS2 with no problem. Wave Race only good thing about it is the water everthing else is kinda bleh.... Luigi the textures are really not that much better than N64 even IGN has said this the lighting is good and all but the PS2 could do it. RS2 I\'ve seen footage on elec. playground and for all the stuff they say it is doing it\'s not a leap over the PS2\'s best games like GT3,MGS2,DMC,FFX,ect... The X-box games with the exception of DOA3 arent\' anything over PS2. Yet I hear some on here saying otherwise. Maybe they are senseitive to a little jaggie but the average person won\'t see much difference.
Square is rumored for a few x-box games but still it\'s key franchise FF the single player FF\'s anyway are staying PS2 only for now. Plus with price drop rumors all over some going as to say it will drop to $199 I think PS2 will be #1 sales wise this gen again. And look 3rd parties keep on announcing games for it and so forth so it\'s garunted to stay for the long run evne if it some how doesn\'t end up #1.
Also with the economy going way down because of teh WTC attacks retailers have already expected way less sales for X-Mas and that means less GC and X-Boxs being sold and it\'ll take even longer for them to catch up to PS2.
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IMO, the PS2 will own this Christmas. but after that, I really don\'t know. This Christmas all of the Xboxes and NGCs will sell out. Because the supply will be so little, that leaves PS2 and it\'s brilliant games to grab most of the market. Jak and Daxter is being released at a perfect time. It will definately get tons of sales from parents who couldn\'t get their kids a NGC. With the price drop that is almost garanteed to happen, the PS2 will sell even better.
I really don\'t see how the Xbox or NGC will ever catch up.
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Yeah I don\'t mean to bash on GC or X-Box here as I\'m getting them anyway. But for real people like this jumpman guy are getting retarded. I mean saying shat like GC launch games look better than any PS2 games:laughing: I mean really he must have not played or seent he games running on a standard TV. I mean the DC\'s best games even rivals most of GC\'s stuff like luigi,WR,SSB,ect.. RS2 doesn\'t even look like a big a leap over PS2 stuff like some were making. Of course it\'s first gen but SC on DC was first gen and it\'s graphics didn\'t get ten fold better.
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Originally posted by JC-21
Yeah I don\'t mean to bash on GC or X-Box here as I\'m getting them anyway. But for real people like this jumpman guy are getting retarded. I mean saying shat like GC launch games look better than any PS2 games:laughing: I mean really he must have not played or seent he games running on a standard TV. I mean the DC\'s best games even rivals most of GC\'s stuff like luigi,WR,SSB,ect.. RS2 doesn\'t even look like a big a leap over PS2 stuff like some were making. Of course it\'s first gen but SC on DC was first gen and it\'s graphics didn\'t get ten fold better.
Don\'t be so immature as to bring Jumpman into this and he hasn\'t even posted in this thread, sheesh.
Personally, from what I have seen of Lugi\'s Mansion, nothing on the PS2 compares to it. That is just my opinion. Same with RS2.
The GC launch wasn\'t spectacular, I\'ll give you that. I doubt the American launch will be much better, but with Nintendo securing the RE series and their own franchises coming out next year, they should be able to get a ton of sales in alittle bit of time.
Will they match the PS2 userbase? Probably not this year or next, but if they keep everything goin\' smooth for the next two years, I think you could see the matching it. Sort of like the 16-bit days when Sega and Nintendo was \'toe to toe\' for the number one spot...
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Good luck MS and Nintendo, they will need it, luck and lots of it.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Personally, from what I have seen of Lugi\'s Mansion, nothing on the PS2 compares to it. That is just my opinion. Same with RS2.
I watched Luigi\'s Mansion on my TV(Game Network) and I was not impressed...I also watched J&D and I think it\'s technically superior all in all...and I watched other games on PS2 which impressed me a lot more than Luigi...for example Ico,MGS2,FFX,Devil May Cry...I mean...we should look at a game and consider every aspect of it,technically......the details,textures,lighting but most of all the action,the movements,the animations,draw distance,the collisions among characters and objects...and even physics and AI(..yes..these things don\'t make a game "looking better" but make a game technically superior...) and they take away a lot of power...generally I\'m impressed when I see a character who moves in a believable way with smooth animations in a huge environment rather than a more detailed character with very poor movements and animations in a miniaturized environment with better texturing and lighting....
...I\'m not saying GC can\'t do Devil May Cry or MGS2 with better texturing and lighting...but only that Luigi is nothing special technically....but...on the other hand...I should say that RL2 is amazing...and I can\'t believe it\'s one of the first GC games...
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Most of you are forgetting that Luigi\'s Mansion, Wave Race, etc are just launch titles. The PS2 has been out for a year and a half. I can say with all honesty that the PS2 launch wasn\'t all that impressive either, and I remember them being considered 1st generation DC games!
As for Xbox, it has the most impressive launch lineup since Dreamcast! The games look next generation, being superior to PS2, DC, and even outclassing the GC (for right now).
Halo, Munch, Dead or Alive 3...all excellent looking titles that will probably set the standards from now on. And with every third party on board except Square (this could change soon), Xbox has a very good chance of catching up. I\'m guessing one million units sold by christmas, with 3 million by late spring/early summer.
Does Sony have it all wrapped up? With 10-12 million units sold, a price drop around the corner, and an amazing line up through Feb 2002... it would seem they have it locked in. The answer is no! I know that J&D, ICO, TMB, GT3, DMC, MGS2, and FFX will sell well, but what\'s after that? We\'ve known about the above games since or shortly after they announced the system almost 2 years ago. My guess is they have a few secret titles but how many can they hide? Enough to keep PS2 going. And will PS2 see the same show the PSX did, sequel after sequel?
And what about the developers, they lost some. I know it\'s not very many, but they did loose developers this time. And some games; Galleon, Munch, Resident Evil, Crash isn\'t exclusive, neither is Spyro, Silent Hill 2, SSX, Metal Gear Solid 2 (not sure about this one), Tomb Raider... IMO, the PS2 just doesn\'t feel like a must have.
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Most casual gamers seem to HATE the Xbox. I was really surprised about that. I\'d be chatting with guys that aren\'t really into games and they would tell me that they have a PS2 and that they are going to get Nintendo\'s Gamecube. I ask them about the Xbox and they usually say something along the lines of Phuck Microsoft. I don\'t get it. I tell them about how good the Xbox is and the possibilities it has for innovation and they just don\'t care. This could just be a regional thing; but its the same in online forums not dedicated to gaming.
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The casual gamer really can\'t know enough to pass judgement on the Xbox. The mass marketing campaign hasn\'t even begun.
TV commercials, demo\'s in every videogame store, magazine ads everywhere, subliminal messages in movies and on the radio... By the end of October, I think alot of attitudes will change...
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i agree with Ginko...and like i always say...its not fair to compare a launch title on a new console to new games on an older console...its not fair....
ps2\'s launch games looked like ass in my opinion which is why i hated the ps2 to hell....i made fun of my friends who bought it at launch cause it was full of jaggies and nothing was impressive...the dreamcast was way superior, specially in the texture department....soulcaliber looked better than any launch title for the ps2...lol, and that was a launch title too....
but after a year, i finally bought my ps2 cause the games improved radiacally and will continue to improve....
same goes with every new console...i think luigi looks cool but nothing out of this world....rogue leader, on the other hand, looks outstanding...but wave race, the one title i thought would be the best, has dissapointed me, starting with the framerate and the fact that nintendo mainly remade old levels.......monkey ball looks like a cool sega game that will bring ours of fun though....
im not buying it at launch cause november belongs to metal gear and other ps2 titles that will coming out within wednesday (ico and silent hill) and january (ffx)...so ill be busy with about 5 or 6 new ps2 games thatll last me through the holiday season...plus some dc games that i still want....(shen mue 2)
the xbox\'s games look sharp but the games dont intrigue me yet...so i ll buy it in february when jet set radio future comes out....
and the gamecube will prolly enter my home sometime after that...
good luck to all consoles and i wish they all would join forces and one day make a super console with every developer...let the competition be between consoles and pc\'s not consoles within themselves.
have a nice day.
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well, here in europe sony will dominate this christmas Why? GC and Xbox are coming in 2k2 and DC is already dead and forgotten (its a shame :() + sony has their price drop. N64 is also pretty much dead, games are still expensive and no one seems to be buying them. This christmas will be great for all the budget gamers picking up cheap psx titles, I noticed that prices are falling through the floor already.
Sony owns europe for sure this christmas and for the majority of next year
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Christmas is PS2\'s, after that, it depends if we get a nice steady flow of good titles, if not, ....... bah, who knows.
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But what\'s GC\'s excuse for having launch games that don\'t look as good as you would think? PS2 is harder to develope for but GC is supposed to be super easy. So what\'s it\'s excuse? Anyway ginko you should actually see those X-Box games in motion before you say that with the exception of DOA3 all those games could be mistakin for PS2 or GC. Munch especially doesn\'t look that good.
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But what\'s GC\'s excuse for having launch games that don\'t look as good as you would think? PS2 is harder to develope for but GC is supposed to be super easy. So what\'s it\'s excuse? Anyway ginko you should actually see those X-Box games in motion before you say that with the exception of DOA3 all those games could be mistakin for PS2 or GC. Munch especially doesn\'t look that good. MGS2 technicaly poops on Luigi by the way. Although luigi has some awesome lighting and transparency effects.
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JC-21,
Why didn\'t the PS2 launch games look like the rubber ducky in a sink demo? WHere are the Toy Story graphics, why weren\'t they at launch? Why aren\'t they even close to that yet?
It just doesn\'t happen... will it get better. Definitely.
As for your Xbox comment, whatever. I haven\'t seen anything on PS2 that could hold a candle to Halo. Munch, same thing.
Project Ego technically poops on MGS2...just for arguement\'s sake.:rolleyes:
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Yes I think sony has this generation won again. Plus I keep hearing about sony price drop to be exact I\'ve heard nov. 16, the price will be cut to $199. The gt3 bundle $229. I hear a lot of sources confirmed this like someone one the ign board and gaming age. It this is true nintendo and M$ will be fighting for second place. End of story.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Originally posted by Ginko
Most of you are forgetting that Luigi\'s Mansion, Wave Race, etc are just launch titles. The PS2 has been out for a year and a half. I can say with all honesty that the PS2 launch wasn\'t all that impressive either, and I remember them being considered 1st generation DC games!
Well...I\'ve simply expressed my opinion about this statement ""Personally, from what I have seen of Lugi\'s Mansion, nothing on the PS2 compares to it. That is just my opinion. Same with RS2.""...and I explained why I\'m not impressed by Luigi\'s Mansion and why it\'s not better than anything on PS2...People perfectly know that Luigi is a Lauch game and GC will produce by far better games in the near future...it\'s not a comparison between PS2 and GC...but only a little complaint of people who were expecting more from Nindendo...especially if you think they have been saying for months that their Lauch-Line up should be impressive compared to PS2\'one...thanks to their friendly,optimum and ultra-balanced new Hardware...
As for Xbox, it has the most impressive launch lineup since Dreamcast! The games look next generation, being superior to PS2, DC, and even outclassing the GC (for right now).
Halo, Munch, Dead or Alive 3...all excellent looking titles that will probably set the standards from now on. And with every third party on board except Square (this could change soon), Xbox has a very good chance of catching up. I\'m guessing one million units sold by christmas, with 3 million by late spring/early summer.
Yes...X-Box has the most impressive graphics,huge support from the best developers and the most impressive Lauch Line up in this generation...it has all the potentialities to be a successful console...let\'s wait and see...
Does Sony have it all wrapped up? With 10-12 million units sold, a price drop around the corner, and an amazing line up through Feb 2002... it would seem they have it locked in. The answer is no! I know that J&D, ICO, TMB, GT3, DMC, MGS2, and FFX will sell well, but what\'s after that? We\'ve known about the above games since or shortly after they announced the system almost 2 years ago. My guess is they have a few secret titles but how many can they hide? Enough to keep PS2 going. And will PS2 see the same show the PSX did, sequel after sequel?
10-12 million units sold ? Where did you get these numbers ?
...I thought 14.95 million before the release of FFX...am I wrong ?
And what about the developers, they lost some. I know it\'s not very many, but they did loose developers this time. And some games; Galleon, Munch, Resident Evil, Crash isn\'t exclusive, neither is Spyro, Silent Hill 2, SSX, Metal Gear Solid 2 (not sure about this one), Tomb Raider... IMO, the PS2 just doesn\'t feel like a must have.
Konami\'s games were Sony exclusive ? Tomb Raider ? exclusive?
Do you expect an EA game being exclusive ?
However
Each Company gains some exclusive...and lose some other...look at Malice...it\'s a normal routine...and each Company has its own great appeal to make its own console a must have....for the rest it\'s a matter of taste.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
but only a little complaint of people who were expecting more from Nindendo...especially if you think they have been saying for months that their Lauch-Line up should be impressive compared to PS2\'one...thanks to their friendly,optimum and ultra-balanced new Hardware...
Is the game comparable to second generation PS2 games? I think so...good job Nintendo!
Yes...X-Box has the most impressive graphics,huge support from the best developers and the most impressive Lauch Line up in this generation...it has all the potentialities to be a successful console...let\'s wait and see...
As you can see, I didn\'t assume that Xbox will be the best with words such as "excellent looking titles" and "probably". No arguement here...
10-12 million units sold ? Where did you get these numbers ?
...I thought 14.95 million before the release of FFX...am I wrong ?
Could be, I could be wrong...I thought it was 15 million units shipped world wide with over 12 million sold through.
Konami\'s games were Sony exclusive ? Tomb Raider ? exclusive?
Do you expect an EA game being exclusive ?
However
Each Company gains some exclusive...and lose some other...look at Malice...it\'s a normal routine...and each Company has its own great appeal to make its own console a must have....for the rest it\'s a matter of taste. [/B]
That statement just went to show that Sony isn\'t the powerhouse it was back in the 32-bit generation. Back then EA, Crash, Tomb Raider, Konami, Namco, among some other were pratically first party Sony developers. Now that these companies develope equally or more for other consoles, it makes the PS2 seem like a less likely must have...
Anything else??:o
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Here are the PS2 sales numbers as of August 2001 from PSM magazine.
Total sales: over 15 million
Japan: 5.9 million
USA: 5.1 million
Europe: 3.9 million
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PS2 will probably sell the most systems. But I doubt that the best selling games will be on the system. Kind of like how N64 had tons less game than PS2, but there were more million sellers. I believe the big sellers will be on X-Box and GC.
Also, Nothing on PS2 equals Rogue Squadron 2 or Dead or Alive 3, on GC and X-Box respectively. That is graphics, I dont really care for those games and I would rather take MANY PS2 games over those 2.
But X-Box\'s line up over anything else this generation excites me.
Panzer Dragoon 4 - any sega fan knows what I am talking about, if you didn\'t play the first 3 (good luck on finding Saga).
Jet Set Radio: Future - last years most stylish game and overall one of the best DC games is getting a sequel and significant graphical upgrade on X-Box.
Project Gotham - I was one of the few people to like MSR, this game is looking good and I like some of the idea\'s they are putting into it. (launch game)
Project Ego - have you read the preview? Nuff said.
Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind Have you read the preview? Nuff said. (launch game)
GUNVALKYRIE - looks to be classic Sega action, priceless. (launch game)
others I am looking forward to: Doom3, Unreal Championship, Crazy Taxi Next, etc.
Hopefully the Japanese public will accept this console, which is shaping up nicely. You never know though, Shenmue II only sold 110,000 copies.
Eric Jacob
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It is far too early to be saying who will sell the most system, only one of the systems has hit US\'s shores. The PS2 is doing very well when it comes to units sold but there is no way to gauge where it will be this time next year.
JC-21, I am not sure how you concluded that LM\'s textures where on the same level of the N64. Perhaps you just do not like the style but technically it is vastly improved. As for Wave Race, I am still confused by people hyping its graphics; I just do not see it.
For Halo and whatnot, they are better looking than PS2 titles genre by genre (except for PG, I think GT3 still has a better over-all appearance) but you should really need to wait to see them running in a kiosk. E3 was bad for the Xbox but once people get their hands on the final/near-final games you will see a noticeable shift of opinions.
Back on-topic, PS2 has dug in very well and will be hard to beat. Japan is looking pretty safe for them but US will likely be a very hard market for them to hold.
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Originally posted by JC-21
MGS2 technicaly poops on Luigi by the way. Although luigi has some awesome lighting and transparency effects.
Tell me how "technically" MGS2 poops on Luigi? I\'m not saying Luigi is an awesome game or even a good game but tell me what is so technically superior about MGS2? Is it because fruit blows up? Is it because you see rain splashes? What is it? IMO, MGS2\'s textures SUCK. If that game was on any other console it would look 10X better. I am very confident of that. I think if MGS2 was on the Xbox it would probably be one of the best looking games that we have seen so far. Which is probably why we have heard nothing about MGSX(don\'t want to overshadow your current product). Technically the lighting and shadowing in Luigi is something that I have not seen in any game yet. It is not very technical; but it shows a lot of the easily tapped power of the GCN.
IMO, The Gamecube is going to own this Christmas season. Just for the simple fact that all of the people that were crying about not having PS2\'s last year, who only wanted them because they were hard to find will see some of the amazing games for the GCN and its consumer friendly prices and be scrambling to get them. This is evident in the request from retailers to Nintendo for more GCNs. Apparently they are expecting a rush on Gamecube\'s that some of us are not seeing.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Is the game comparable to second generation PS2 games? I think so...good job Nintendo!
opss....as I said before...I just replied to a statement...and I said that Luigi doesn\'t blow away anything on PS2...I didn\'t say Luigi is not comparable to second gen PS2 games...it\'s not too difficult to understand...right?
...on the other hand I\'m impressed by RL...the graphics are some of the best I\'ve ever seen...
Anything else ?
As you can see, I didn\'t assume that Xbox will be the best with words such as "excellent looking titles" and "probably". No arguement here...
mmm? I was not sarcastic...do you have a guilty conscience ?
X-Box has the best hardware and I\'m really impressed by the graphics of DOA3,Halo,etc and I think it has the best Lauch Line up this generation...I agreed with you...so...no argument here :D
Could be, I could be wrong...I thought it was 15 million units shipped world wide with over 12 million sold through.
At first you said 10-12...now over 12...why?
However you were wrong :) ....it\'s over 15 millions...
That statement just went to show that Sony isn\'t the powerhouse it was back in the 32-bit generation. Back then EA, Crash, Tomb Raider, Konami, Namco, among some other were pratically first party Sony developers. Now that these companies develope equally or more for other consoles, it makes the PS2 seem like a less likely must have...
Anything else??:o
Crash ? it\'s an old game now...do you think people could be interested in Crash when Mario,J&D and other great platform are going to be released ?
Konami,Namco...developing equally or more for other consoles ? May I see your personal sources ? :) ..I mean...your crystal ball...
The fact that Sony isn\'t the powerhouse it was back in the 32-bit generation doesn\'t mean that PS2 is not a must have console...as you said at first...
Learn to respect other opinions...as I respect yours...I see PS2 as a Must Have console(my personal taste,I can\'t renounce some of the exclusive like GTN,VF4,J&D,etc etc etc...)...and it\'s the only point I made...
Anything else ? :o
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Originally posted by BizioEE
opss....as I said before...I just replied to a statement...and I said that Luigi doesn\'t blow away anything on PS2...I didn\'t say Luigi is not comparable to second gen PS2 games...it\'s not too difficult to understand...right?
...on the other hand I\'m impressed by RL...the graphics are some of the best I\'ve ever seen...
Anything else ?
Not at all, got ya...
At first you said 10-12...now over 12...why?
However you were wrong :) ....it\'s over 15 millions...
I also said I could be wrong, which I was. I accept it...
Crash ? it\'s an old game now...do you think people could be interested in Crash when Mario,J&D and other great platform are going to be released ?
Konami,Namco...developing equally or more for other consoles ? May I see your personal sources ? :) ..I mean...your crystal ball...
The fact that Sony isn\'t the powerhouse it was back in the 32-bit generation doesn\'t mean that PS2 is not a must have console...as you said at first
I have no crystal ball, merely ign to keep up to date with gaming news. And seeing that Silent Hill 2, Tomb Raider, Ridge Racer 6, Soul Calibur 2, Dead to Rights, MGSX(this one\'s up in the air), Crash, will all be on other systems, it doesn\'t seem like Sony has so many exclusives as it did in the 32 bit era...
I still stand behind this, EA , Namco, Konami, Eidos, Capcom among others weren\'t developing as heavily for anyone else but PSX. Now they have either shifted their focus to another console or decided to actually go multi-platform with most of their titles...anything not clear?
Learn to respect other opinions...as I respect yours...I see PS2 as a Must Have console(my personal taste,I can\'t renounce some of the exclusive like GTN,VF4,J&D,etc etc etc...)...and it\'s the only point I made..
And I say "it makes the PS2 seem like a less likely must have... "
Do I need to reiterate? I didn\'t say the PS2 isn\'t a must have.
Anything else ? :o ;) ;) :) :)
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Originally posted by Ginko
I still stand behind this, EA , Namco, Konami, Eidos, Capcom among others weren\'t developing as heavily for anyone else but PSX. Now they have either shifted their focus to another console or decided to actually go multi-platform with most of their titles...anything not clear?
now it\'s clear :D
And I say "it makes the PS2 seem like a less likely must have... "
Do I need to reiterate? I didn\'t say the PS2 isn\'t a must have.
Anything else ? :o ;) ;) :) :)
Yes:) ...Look at what you\'ve said at first And what about the developers, they lost some. I know it\'s not very many, but they did loose developers this time. And some games; Galleon, Munch, Resident Evil, Crash isn\'t exclusive, neither is Spyro, Silent Hill 2, SSX, Metal Gear Solid 2 (not sure about this one), Tomb Raider... IMO, the PS2 just doesn\'t feel like a must have.
Anything else ? :o ;) :) :D ...now I\'m joking Ginko...peace ?:D
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With the price drop PS2 suddenly looks quite good, with lots of great games coming along. I\'m not as negative towards the result of a future \'console war\' on behalf of PS2 as I once was. GC/Xbox will get their fair share of competition, that\'s for sure.
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Can someone give me a link to info about a "PS2 Price drop"? The last thing i read about that was that the SOny execs had NO plans of lowering the PS2\'s price. They figure if people are buying it at full price then why give it for less?
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Gohan, it\'s on http://www.computerandvideogames.com/story.cfm?sid=3452. And I\'m talking Europe here, I don\'t know about the US. I wouldn\'t be surprised if they lowered the price a bit there too sometime \'soon\'.