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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Black Samurai on October 02, 2001, 07:10:44 AM
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Now I know this may sound stupid; but I just don\'t get Rock and Roll. Is it the lyrics that are popular? Is it the music itself? I just don\'t understand.
BTW, Don\'t get me wrong. I\'m not saying that I don\'t like rock. I just heard a couple of Slipknot(?) songs and they were off the hizzle;) so I am going to get their CD but what is it that makes it so popular to the rest of you?
If its lyrics could you put some above average ones up and tell me what is good about them? If its the music tell me some songs to look ot for.
Also, I am a drummer so if the song has an incredible drumming selection or drummer thats a plus. Thats what got me interested in those Slipknot(?) songs. The drummer is sick.
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Look at Pantera, WHEE, the only true Metal band left in the world today...Phil, lead singer, great singer, can actually sing (cemetery Gates, Hollow) and is probably the best heavy yeller...Dimebag, is one of the great guitarists...and Vince on the drums is great
great lyrics, great music
but if you want the essence of rock, look no further than Guns n\' Roses
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
but if you want the essence of rock, look no further than Guns n\' Roses
The essence of crap you mean?;)
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Being a drummer.....
Rap=sampled,repetitive
Country=2-2, 4-4, rinse and repeat.
Jazz=WTF
Hip Hop= see rap.
Techno=No good without acid.
Etc, etc.
Rock IMO, (Iron Maiden, Rush, Metal Church) Old school stuff, is the essence of Drums!!! (and harmonizing axes [guitars for all the squares:p])
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Originally posted by CygnusXI
Being a drummer.....
Rap=sampled,repetitive
Country=2-2, 4-4, rinse and repeat.
Jazz=WTF
Hip Hop= see rap.
Techno=No good without acid.
Etc, etc.
Rock IMO, (Iron Maiden, Rush, Metal Church) Old school stuff, is the essence of Drums!!! (and harmonizing axes [guitars for all the squares:p])
I wouldn\'t think Jazz would be bad for drums. The others I totally agree with you.
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Give me some examples of songs. I could pick up any Iron Maiden song and not get into it because to my untrained (to rock) ear it all sounds alike. That is why when I hear some rock that sounds drastically different from what I usually hear my ears perk up. Like a friend of mine put on some death metal and I was like, "WTF? How could anyone like that?"
BTW, I know a lot of rap is sampled but there is also some that use live instruments and a lot of rappers are moving towards live instruments in the studio.
And if it was all about freestyle playing on the drums I know some gospel drummers that would eat most any other drummer.
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Slayer.
The lyrics are good (especially Kings lyrics), the guitar solo\'s are insane, Tom Ariya\'s singing is great, and they just rule
Tool.
Nobody out there writes lyrics like Maynard, and nobody sings as well as he can. Adam Jones is also extremely talented, and the rest of the band all very talented people.
Cannibal Corpse while Chris Barnes was still with them
Very few people out there write stuff as sick as Mr. Barnes writes, and his growls rule
Deicide
Glen Benton really means what he writes, while a lot of death metal bands write satistic lyrics to look and sound cool, very few of them actually mean what they write, Glen Benton does.
The things that I look for in rock is meaning behind the lyrics, if they have a reason to write what they write I respect it, and that\'s what I love about Tool, all of Maynards lyrics have a deep meaning behind them, and everyword actually means something.
I also like good singers, I didn\'t mention Obituary in the above list (I left out alot of good bands) but I like how they have a very unique (and strange) way of singing. Guitar riffs and all these things I look for in rock. There is so much that intreques me in hard rock that I can\'t really count it all.
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NICKELBACK
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
NICKELBACK
god i hope your kidding.
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Originally posted by Delphian
The essence of crap you mean?;)
ohh your right...sorry, i meant crap :)
well, actually, i didnt say he\'d like them, i just said that they are rock n\' roll
dood, checkout Knockin\' on Heavens Door, by Guns n\' Roses...
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Originally posted by nO-One
Slayer.
The lyrics are good (especially Kings lyrics), the guitar solo\'s are insane, Tom Ariya\'s singing is great, and they just rule
you got that statement right slayer rules and they always will i just got the new cd and it is not to dissapoint, the don\'t try any new crappy dj sh!t, its just what they have been doing for 20 years now and they are now leagends for there music
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
dood, checkout Knockin\' on Heavens Door, by Guns n\' Roses...
You aware that this a Bob Dylan tune, right?
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Hmmm good rock bands? Definatley check out:
System of a Down--Probably the coolest/oddest lyrics of any rock band. They are matched with a great sound implimenting some weird instruments into the whole mix.
Static-X--I know some of you are probably going to knock them for being such a simple musicial band but they make some rocking tunes.
Pantera--Bob mentioned them, and only if your really into they HEAVY HEAVY stuff check them out.
Linkin Park--They are new but they are oh so sweet. The two different style vocalists are cool as well as the hip-hop elements (even though i dont like hip-hop)
Rammestein--They\'re German, they sing songs about hermaphrodite, and they rock.
(Best for last) METALLICA--Pick up the Black Album or Load and you will be hooked by the first three random songs...i promise.
Rock On
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Static-X--I know some of you are probably going to knock them for being such a simple musicial band but they make some rocking tunes.
Linkin Park--They are new but they are oh so sweet. The two different style vocalists are cool as well as the hip-hop elements (even though i dont like hip-hop)
Rammestein--They\'re German, they sing songs about hermaphrodite, and they rock.
u can just through these bands in the trash
we like stuff we can understand and stuff that is in no way trendy
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linkin park blows hard
rammstein is cool though
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Bands that kick ass
Bad Religion
Iron Maiden
Metalica (old pre-sellout material)
Marilyn Manson
Nine Inch Nails
3 Doors Down
Ozzy Ozbourne (sp?)
Bands that are ok
Linkin Park
Offspring (punk / popish)
Korn
Bands that suck
Limp Biscuit
ICP
Metalica (new post-sellout material)
Most christian rock / punk / metal / death metal / exe.
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Originally posted by Lord of Darkness
Bands that kick ass
Bad Religion
Iron Maiden
Metalica (old pre-sellout material)
Marilyn Manson
Nine Inch Nails
3 Doors Down
Ozzy Ozbourne (sp?)
Bands that are ok
Linkin Park
Offspring (punk / popish)
Korn
Bands that suck
Limp Biscuit
ICP
Metalica (new post-sellout material)
Most christian rock / punk / metal / death metal / exe.
your a moron you like 3 dors down korn and linkin park, and you do not like punk , metal or death metal and you call yourself the lord of darkness, give me and everyone else a break
and metallica has 2 L\'s
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Just give me NiN\'s "Broken" LP and I\'ll be a happy guy for quite sometime.
;)
By the way - Linkin Park blows. So does Staind, Limp Bizkit, Korn and others.
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Originally posted by Luke
god i hope your kidding.
NO I am a big Nickelback fan. I like em a lot.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
NO I am a big Nickelback fan. I like em a lot.
ok dont take offense to this but........
WHY!?
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When did the new Slayer come out? I loved their last CD, but one thing I have to admit is that Slayer isn\'t the same without Lombardo.:(
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Listen to anything by Pearl Jam and you will understand why I love rock so much
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Better yet, grab 6 CD\'s and just listen.
Slayer: Seasons in the Abyss
Guns & Roses: Lies
Ozzy: Blizzard of Ozz
Scorpions: Crazy World
Bob Seger: Best of (Yeah, not metal.. but still rock)
Bad Religeon: All Ages (Again, not metal.. but Punk is a cousin)
Follow up with a healthy dosage of Pink Floyd\'s: Momentary Lapse of Reason if you still don\'t understand.
"your a moron you like 3 dors down korn and linkin park, and you do not like punk , metal or death metal and you call yourself the lord of darkness, give me and everyone else a break." - ApeX
Dood, give LoD a break. He\'s probably an ole school Winger fan. He can\'t help it. :p
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Originally posted by Gohan
Also, I am a drummer so if the song has an incredible drumming selection or drummer thats a plus. Thats what got me interested in those Slipknot(?) songs. The drummer is sick.
Then you should try some of these bands , they have all incredible drummers (WARNING: No easy listening - progressive stuff) :
Psychotic Waltz - A social grace (best album ever)
Confessor - Condemned
Death - All of the newer stuff
Watchtower - All
Symphony X - All
Dream Theatre - especially the first two albums
But I think the Jazz szene still has the majority of best drummers.
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Maybe I didn\'t explain myself correctly.
I know most of you hate hip-hop. I like hip-hop. In fact its pretty much 80% of what I listen to. Now if someone were to ask me what I liked about hip-hop I would say that above all I love lyrics. now I\'m not talking about no Cash Money Bling-Bling type of bullsh!t. I\'m talking about really intricate lyrics with a lot of metaphors and plays on words. That is hip-hop to me. A lot of the stuff I listen to gets no play on the radio. People like Wordsworth, Copywrite, Chino-XL, Big-L. These guys can really flip words around and make some hot music. Others that I like that do get air-time are Jay-Z, Eminem(Not as much as I used to), Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Pharoe Monch, Pac, Big, etc.
Examples:
Eminem\'s verse take from "Renegades"
Since I\'m in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain\'t no politician but I\'ll kick it with \'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I\'ll wear it
But if it don\'t, then y\'all\'ll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who\'s these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there\'s a huge interference - they\'re sayin you shouldn\'t hear it
Maybe it\'s hatred I spew, maybe it\'s food for the spirit
Maybe it\'s beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I\'m debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a motherf*ckin drug addict - like you didn\'t experiment?
Now now, that\'s when you start to stare at who\'s in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents
You f*ckin do-gooders - too bad you couldn\'t do good at marriage!
(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don\'t
think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go - he\'s {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}
And I\'m the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it\'s just the
Big L\'s 2 verses from "Danger Zone"
The microphone is through when this rap legend grab it
Sendin poems to have them f*ggots diggin hoes like Reverand Swaggart
L\'s the nigga that crime follows
I\'m hittin fine models and stabbin punks with broken wine bottles
I beat chumps til they head splits, then break em like breadsticks
I sex chicks, I\'ll even f*ck a dead b*tch
Always sprayin Tecs, because I be stayin vexed
Some nigga named Dex, was in the projects layin threats
I jumped out the Lincoln, left him stinkin
Put his brains in the street
Now you can see what he was just thinkin
I\'m chokin enemies til they start turnin pale
Satan said I\'m learnin well, Big L\'s gonna burn in hell
Front and get scarred cause your rap style ain\'t even hard
I run with a thievin squad, and NONE OF US believe in God
I got styles you can\'t copy b*tch, it\'s the triple six
in the mix, straight from H-E-double-hockey sticks
Every Sunday, a nun lay from my gun spray
F*ck Carlito, we doin\' sh*t the Devil Son\'s way
Every minute, my style switches up, they said a real man
won\'t hit a girl well I ain\'t real cause I beat b*tches up
I use words that\'s ill, L got nerves of steel
I\'m cool, but every now and then I get a urge to kill
I\'m takin lives for a great price, I\'m the type
to snap in heaven with a Mac-11 and rape Christ
And I\'m fast to put a cap in a fag chest
The Big L smash stress, cause hell is my address
I\'m on some satanic sh*t, strictly, little kids
be wakin up cryin, yellin, "Mommy Big L is comin to get me!"
These are just examples of the wordplay used. i also love beats. A good beat makes good lyrics ten times better.
BTW, There are a lot of live band rap groups. The most popular being "The Roots" from Philly.
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If lyrics is something you like I suggest you check out TOOL
Nobody out there writes lyrics like Maynard from TOOL, they are complex and every word in it means something, it\'s just not put together because it rhymes.
Slayer also has some quality lyrics, especially Kings lyrics and some of Hanneman\'s stuff.
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Originally posted by Luke
ok dont take offense to this but........
WHY!?
You ever heard Leader of Men? Or How You Remind Me?
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
You ever heard Leader of Men? Or How You Remind Me?
all i heard is whatever that one song is that MTV is currently playing to death.
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Give me good old classic rock any day.
*listens to Steve Stills and the Doobie Brothers*
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Originally posted by Luke
all i heard is whatever that one song is that MTV is currently playing to death.
I never see any videos on MTV. It\'s probably "How you Remind Me".
[color=sky blue]Leader of Men.mp3[/color] (http://test.nickelback.com/images/Leader%20Of%20Men.mp3) is really good, from their last album.
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You know, everyone is talking about modern rock, which in my opinion isn\'t nearly as good as the older stuff.
If you want to hear some really good music check out...
- Led Zepplin - Jimmy Page and Robert Plant just kick ass..
- Pink Floyd - Check out "Darkside of the Moon" or "The Wall", both are excellent cd.
- Jimi Hendrix - How could we forget this legend?
- The Doors - My single favorite band ever. Check out their original self-titled album and go to the very last track, \'The End\'.
That is just a few of the older bands that just kicked total ass. A lot of the modern stuff is much more "pop", except things like Slayer, Cannibal Corspe and Cradle of Filth and really that is a whole other catergory (see: death metal).
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Classic rock is good and I still know the words to almost every Van Halen song. But they\'ve just been played to death and we need something fresh.
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Originally posted by Zolar
When did the new Slayer come out? I loved their last CD, but one thing I have to admit is that Slayer isn\'t the same without Lombardo.:(
sad but true, but it still sounds just as good with him not there
the new cd came out september 6th it called God Hates Us All
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You know, everyone is talking about modern rock, which in my opinion isn\'t nearly as good as the older stuff.
If you want to hear some really good music check out...
- Led Zepplin - Jimmy Page and Robert Plant just kick ass..
- Pink Floyd - Check out "Darkside of the Moon" or "The Wall", both are excellent cd.
- Jimi Hendrix - How could we forget this legend?
- The Doors - My single favorite band ever. Check out their original self-titled album and go to the very last track, \'The End\'.
That is just a few of the older bands that just kicked total ass. A lot of the modern stuff is much more "pop", except things like Slayer, Cannibal Corspe and Cradle of Filth and really that is a whole other catergory (see: death metal). [/B]
you forgot
- The rolling Stones
- Guns And Roses
- Black Sabbath
- ZZ Top
ahhhh i love classic rock
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
That is just a few of the older bands that just kicked total ass. A lot of the modern stuff is much more "pop", except things like Slayer, Cannibal Corspe and Cradle of Filth and really that is a whole other catergory (see: death metal).
Actually, Slayer is a Thrash Metal band, and Cradle of Filth is a Black Metal band, Cannibal Corpse is the only death metal band amongst those you mentioned. They are all very different when it comes to the guitar solo\'s, the singing style and the lyrics, Cannibal Corpse is very brutal and "in your face" and have raw lyrics, while Cradle of Filth and Slayer have far more complex lyrics. ALthough they write about similar stuff. But Cannibal Corpse has never really been a very satistic band, they don\'t really write about devil worship. They write about mutilating women and intercourse with dead people.
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Originally posted by Gohan
Now I know this may sound stupid; but I just don\'t get Rock and Roll. Is it the lyrics that are popular? Is it the music itself? I just don\'t understand.
BTW, Don\'t get me wrong. I\'m not saying that I don\'t like rock. I just heard a couple of Slipknot(?) songs and they were off the hizzle;) so I am going to get their CD but what is it that makes it so popular to the rest of you?
If its lyrics could you put some above average ones up and tell me what is good about them? If its the music tell me some songs to look ot for.
Also, I am a drummer so if the song has an incredible drumming selection or drummer thats a plus. Thats what got me interested in those Slipknot(?) songs. The drummer is sick.
Seriously, if you want to hear some really good heavy music (with great drumming), look no further than: http://www.cryptopsy.net/
These guys are totally amazing. It\'ll probably take a little getting used to for you but once you finally "get it" so to speak, you\'ll be hooked.
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Gohan, everyone is trying to start you off on Heavy Metal, Thrash, Death Metal, Black Metal, etc. etc....start yourself off with the good old stuff, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Doors, Electric Light Orchestra, The Eagles etc. Then if you want to get into heavy metal, move further onto the likes of AC/DC, Black Sabbath etc. THEN move on up into the 80\'s Rock n\' Roll movement of Guns n\' Roses, Bon Jovi, Metallica, MegaDeth, Slayer....Then move yourself up to modern music
good modern heavy (IMO)
- Pantera
- Rammstein
- Marilyn Manson
- Sepultura
etc. etc.
And if you like Death Metal, dont listen to these softies like Cannibal Corpse or Deicide...Strapping Young Lad are the greatest Death Metal band ever...but they are not for the light hearted (im mainly putting this in for those who are into death such as nO-One :)) their best songs are... S.Y.L. / Home Nucleonics / Underneathe The Waves / AAA / Skin Me...and the list goes on :)
and remember, the 90\'s and new stuff also have a lot of good alternative, softer bands, Pearl Jam, Nirvana etc. etc.
Note, there are many more bands i like throughout the years...these are just some of the better ones
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Oh yeah, I forgot about Sepultura! I saw them in Toronto last year. Amazing concert.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You know, everyone is talking about modern rock, which in my opinion isn\'t nearly as good as the older stuff.
If you want to hear some really good music check out...
- Led Zepplin - Jimmy Page and Robert Plant just kick ass..
- Pink Floyd - Check out "Darkside of the Moon" or "The Wall", both are excellent cd. (WOO!!!!)
- Jimi Hendrix - How could we forget this legend?
- The Doors - My single favorite band ever. Check out their original self-titled album and go to the very last track, \'The End\'.
That is just a few of the older bands that just kicked total ass. A lot of the modern stuff is much more "pop", except things like Slayer, Cannibal Corspe and Cradle of Filth and really that is a whole other catergory (see: death metal). [/B]
This man may get my Cool award for the third time, the rest of you kinda suck!
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Originally posted by Weltall
This man may get my Cool award for the third time, the rest of you kinda suck!
*takes a bow*
Thank you, thank you.