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Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: Stupid Mop on October 03, 2001, 02:05:01 AM
Ok guys, i need your help.

I\'m wanting to buy a dvd player with a decoder in it cause my mini system supports surround sound BUT I got told that you need a sub woofer for the surround sound.
My stereo already has the centre and rear speakers but no sub.

Do I have to get a sub or not??

Thanks for your help
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: videoholic on October 03, 2001, 02:17:22 AM
the .1 in the 5.1 is the sub.  You don\'t "have" to have a subwoofer, it\'s just better.

Does your stereo have 6 inputs for seperate channels?  

The DVD players with decoders in them have seperate outputs for each speaker.  Unless your stereo is built with seperate I/Os for each speaker, you won\'t be able to use the dvd player\'s built in decoder.

If your stereo has a DD decoder in it then you just need a regular DVD player.

Getting a decoder built into the DVD player adds probably 100 bucks to the cost and then you will only here 5.1 with your dvd player.  You should get a stereo with the decoder in it so you can get 5.1 with the PS2, your tv, etc....
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: datamage on October 03, 2001, 02:18:17 AM
You don\'t need one to hear surround. However, the sub is what handles the bass. So if you want to feel the explosions in movies, I suggest you get a good one.

/ dm /
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: luckee on October 03, 2001, 02:21:33 AM
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Originally posted by Videoholic
the .1 in the 5.1 is the sub.  


Im probably just stupid..but I thought the .1 was the center channel..guess not.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: Stupid Mop on October 03, 2001, 02:31:40 AM
Yea, it\'s got 6 different inputs.
Thanks for the quick response guys.
Thats cool. Now I can get one plus buy a sub at a later date if I want to.

Just 1 more question. Do you still get good bass without the sub? Cause my stereo does have good bass already
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: luckee on October 03, 2001, 02:41:55 AM
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Originally posted by Vulcan Raven
Yea, it\'s got 6 different inputs.
Thanks for the quick response guys.
Thats cool. Now I can get one plus buy a sub at a later date if I want to.

Just 1 more question. Do you still get good bass without the sub? Cause my stereo does have good bass already


You dont have to have a sub..but you will probably want one one day. Usually ppl dont need subs, but I had to have one :D
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: videoholic on October 03, 2001, 05:58:54 AM
It\'s just the difference between hearing the bass and feeling the bass.

Actually what\'s great about the sub is that you tell your stereo to relieve your main speakers from even messing with the lower frequencies and it makes your main speakers sound better too.

BTW, the center is the 5th channel in the 5.  If you have 6 channels it\'s adding a center to the rear.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: EmperorRob on October 03, 2001, 06:00:50 AM
Depending on your stereo you can set your 5.1 sound speakers for height, volume, and size, and whether or not a sub (LFE speaker) is present.  You don\'t have to have 6 speakers for 5.1 to be decoded as that\'s done inside your stereo.  But that\'s the ideal setup to maximize your pleasure :nerd:
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: luckee on October 03, 2001, 06:07:41 AM
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Originally posted by Videoholic
BTW, the center is the 5th channel in the 5.  If you have 6 channels it\'s adding a center to the rear.


Thanx for the school session:D
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: videoholic on October 03, 2001, 06:30:40 AM
Then what you ahve to do is get some bass shakers and attach them to your couch.  Then you really feel the explosions..  Yummy!!
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: Bossieman on October 03, 2001, 09:08:01 AM
Sony rules.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: videoholic on October 03, 2001, 09:40:59 AM
I wouldn\'t buy anything Sony in audio equipment.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: luckee on October 03, 2001, 09:55:03 AM
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Originally posted by Videoholic
I wouldn\'t buy anything Sony in audio equipment.


Their ES line is nice. Ive also been happy with my STRDE-845. Im not super hardcore...but I do enjoy and it does the job fine for now..till I can afford to splurge on real stuff like Carver,Marantz, and HK.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: EmperorRob on October 03, 2001, 10:53:48 AM
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Originally posted by luckee


Their ES line is nice. Ive also been happy with my STRDE-845. Im not super hardcore...but I do enjoy and it does the job fine for now..till I can afford to splurge on real stuff like Carver,Marantz, and HK.
Sounds like the same model I have.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: THX on October 03, 2001, 11:26:41 AM
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Originally posted by Videoholic
I wouldn\'t buy anything Sony in audio equipment.


Hehe.  More words for wisdom from VH.  Sony\'s "Elevated Standard" line is very comparable to Yamaha\'s and Onkyo\'s entry level receivers. gahh!!

The truth is in the THD...

Vulcan- You might wanna consider getting a new receiver with DD/DTS built in.  The DACs and 5.1 decoders are almost always better quality in the receiver rather than in the DVD player.  Even in a $250 receiver.  And Video pointed out another good problemo; your PS2 can output DD/DTS but has no built in decoder.

Yea this hobby ain\'t cheap. :(
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: videoholic on October 03, 2001, 12:55:01 PM
I have a yamaha which I love.  I will upgrade the stereo one day, but not until I buy new speakers.  My next system will be a major one though.  I can rattle the dishes in my house.  I\'m looking to rattle my neighbors.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: THX on October 03, 2001, 03:38:32 PM
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Originally posted by Videoholic
I\'m looking to rattle my neighbors.


Funny you should mention that.  I was pushing my father\'s 1980-ish Sansui speakers to see what they could do.  The matching amp blew so we went out and bought our first DPL receiver, a 500 watt Technics with .05% THD in stereo.  The Sansuis are decent; a 15" sub in each, a LOUD mid range, 2 paper tweeters, a horn tweeter, and 160w rms.  They sounded like shiet in terms of imaging and clarity but blew me away when I turned up the volume.

The neighbor called and said I was "Shaking her house."

Awsome.  I\'m keeping these babies.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: Stupid Mop on October 03, 2001, 10:18:32 PM
Thanks for the help guys
:bounce: :bounce:
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: luckee on October 04, 2001, 01:05:21 AM
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Originally posted by Vulcan Raven
Thanks for the help guys
:bounce: :bounce:


so have you figured out what you are gonna do?
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: videoholic on October 04, 2001, 02:07:38 AM
Yeah, he\'s going to buy a yamaha with Decoder built in and a regular DVD player.  That way he can have DD on his PS2, Direct TV, and the DVD all at once.

Oh yeah, he\'s going to get a sub too.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: luckee on October 04, 2001, 02:13:13 AM
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Yeah, he\'s going to buy a yamaha with Decoder built in and a regular DVD player.  That way he can have DD on his PS2, Direct TV, and the DVD all at once.

Oh yeah, he\'s going to get a sub too.


hehehehe..Im still waiting for you to elaborate on why you wont buy sony audio. Please let us know what you know. I know Ill never buy any sont car audio again..but their home audio hasnt let me down yet.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: videoholic on October 04, 2001, 02:27:17 AM
I just have never been impressed with them.

You hear people buying receivers for like 200 bucks and saying, "yeah, and it\'s got 150watts per channel."

Well, there is a lot to be said about a quality watt.

Go to a real stereo store.  Not one like CC or BB.  They are crap.  Never ask any salesman from either of these two stores for advice.

If you have a Sound Advice or something comparable, go there.  I don\'t even know if they sell sony.  

You will never find a Sony receiver in the house of a true audio guy.  VCR, DVD Player, TV, mine are all sony...  Receiver - Yamaha.

Back to my original point, and THX may be able to elaborate more because I am more on the TV side of things.  I\'ve just heard them before side by side and they aren\'t my pick.  

If you aren\'t going high end with your system then it probably doesn\'t matter.
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: luckee on October 04, 2001, 02:44:59 AM
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Originally posted by Videoholic


If you aren\'t going high end with your system then it probably doesn\'t matter.


Ok..kewlio..I just wanted some reasoning and to see if you knew something I didnt..Thanx..

As for High end..I wont do that till im almost done with the car and I have some more money to play with. Or if this burns out:D
Title: Dolby Digital 5.1
Post by: Stupid Mop on October 04, 2001, 03:14:20 AM
Videoholic is right. A real audio nut wouldnt have sony equipment

But Sony is good for the more common brands. eg: Panasonic, Philips etc...