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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: lestat on October 08, 2001, 04:18:54 PM
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ok gentlemen of the forums...im gonna try and make this short yet to the point and, im going to keep my impressions of the gamecube serious and anti-biased.
for those who know me, you know that i hate nintendo ever since i experienced the ultimate dissapointment with their last console, the n64...and ever since, nintendo has taking their image of \'family home entertainment\' to another degree by making an effort to focus on the younger audience rather than targeting the more mature audience which, i believe is smart enough to appreciate higher quality gaming..but thats another topic...point is that if a system proves to be powerful and indeed has some kickass games that would appeal to me, i would definitely want to own that system in the long run...and as much as i hate nintendo, specially after the unveiling of the new zelda and mario sunshine and after making their statement about how they will continue to target the little kids, i have to admit that the gamecube still appealed to me because of games like starfox adventure, rogue leader, wave race, mokey ball and ofcourse the remake of resident evil 1.
although im not the type to buy consoles at launch because of my belief that new consoles dont show off their true potential until their second generation of games begin to surface, i was still excited to get my hands on one of those little suckers come christmas time or so...which would only be about a month later...
...things change.
yesterday afternoon, my good friend datamage and i swung by toys - r- us in hopes to see the gamecube in action....and as we had expected, it was on display, although it wasnt the actual system, it was a dvd movie that was being shown....they showed uncompressed gameplay footage of luigis mansion, super smash bros melee, rogue leader, wave race and pilkimin or whatever that game is called.....so we stood there in hopes to get a taste of what the gamecube was really all about....
...and the dissapointments begin.
1. luigis mansion is the first victim....besides the fact that the game runs @ 30fps, it is jaggie (the whole mansion itself from the outside looks like its infested with crawling bugs on it cause of all the jaggies that surround it) and the game is not very crisp...polygonwise- not impressive at all...the staircases and gates look very blocky and overall reminds me of what has been quoted here before.. \'a high rez n64\'...the ghosts look really good (reminds me of the haunted mansion ghosts from disneyworld) but thats the only thing that looks impressive from that game...lighting- for those who claim that luigis mansion\'s lighting blows the ps2\'s lighting, i think you all should reevaluate that statement...from what i saw yesterday, the lighting in that game was not impressive...the room just doesnt feel like it is naturally dark when the flashlight is off and when it gets turned on, it just doesnt feel as if its actually illuminating the target areas correctly...the lighting just doesnt feel realistic compared to the ps2...in silent hill2 for the ps2, you have to use a flashlight in dark rooms as well and it feels real...i hate to compare these 2 titles but i have to because its the best example i could come up with that is equal in lighting usage.....who knows if later in luigis mansion there are areas where the lighting is better used, but from what i saw, it was dissapointing....
2. smash bros melee- not my type of game but it looks sharp and crisp and the characters arent blocky....unfortunately theres nothing out of this world about this game...the backgrounds arent something to stare in AWE about so although this game didnt have many flaws like luigis mansion, it didnt blow me away and make me want to purchase the gamecube...
3. wave race- once again 30 fps...and the game wasnt what i had hoped for....it has some cool effects such as water splashing on the camera and some oceans or rivers looked nice, but it was a while into the movie until i finally said, \'ok that looks pretty cool\'...most of the movie i was bored and lost total interest in the game....once again, this game didnt look very crisp compared to smash bros melee...(and for you to understand my interpretation of crisp, check out soul caliber for the DC and DOA2 for the ps2...heck check out DO3 for the XBOX)
4. pilkimin i wont even review cause it doesnt interest me and didnt look impressive at all...
but i will review...
5. rogue leader- this is the game that the majority categorize as the best looking gamecube game...it is the one that i wanted to buy cause every pic i saw looked phenominal...things change when seen in motion though...
the game does not feel as if youre flying....it moves rather stiff, like one of those star wars games for the snes that i loved in the past...looked as if the background was moving instead of the ship...the outerspace scenes were no where near what i thought they would be or thought they should be considering the power that the gamecube has...the star destroyers look plain and are missing detail....the green laser beams from enemy tie fighters wizz by you like a 2x4 was launched at you instead...my biggest complain once again was that it doesnt feel as if youre flying..the ****pit scene felt the same stiff way and ...dear god....
they have scenes where you run on foot like \'shadow of the empire\' for the n64...man that was terrible....i couldnt beLIEve how UNimpressive that game turned out to be when i saw it in motion on a tv...so once again...nintendo has dissapointed me with their new console..
one good thing i can say is that they show really fast cut scenes of starfox that really looked nice and ofcourse im expecting monkey ball to be cool (but the ps2\'s getting that one anyway)
i am utterly dissapointed in the gamecube and am certain that i will be saving $200 + this holiday season....
my final comment, and i hate to say it, is that the gamecube\'s power is no more than a dreamcast (r.i.p.) and as much as i love my dreamcast and once thought it was powerful in the past, we all know its dark fate.
gamecube gets a thumbsdown for now.
thoughts or comments?...
im dying to hear your reactions....(so much for short and to the point..id thought id never finish)
:boom:
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Two quick comments for now.
For lack of a better term, you\'re a graphics whore. And: You\'re in the extreme minority when compared to people who\'ve played the games.
-Eik
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For lack of a better term, you\'re a graphics whore.
The PS2 has been mocked for its graphics ever since it was released. I guess lestat thinks now it\'s Nintendo\'s turn.
And: You\'re in the extreme minority when compared to people who\'ve played the games.
I wouldn\'t say "extreme." He may be in the extreme minority if you are only counting the Nintendo lovers, but if you include all the pure, multi-console gamers, he is not alone. I have heard the same things that he said from many others (except that RL review is a big surprise. That\'s actually the first review I\'ve heard of that game from a non-magazine person though.) Maybe I\'ll go see the graphics for myself tomorrow.
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I went to Toys-R-Us a few days ago and they had the same setup except it was late at night and the DVD was turned off. I tried turning it and the tv back on, but it didn\'t work. While I was trying I managed to eject the disc and should have just walked off with it...
-Eik
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haaaaaaaaa....you shouldve walked off with it....that wouldve been hilarious...
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
I went to Toys-R-Us a few days ago and they had the same setup except it was late at night and the DVD was turned off. I tried turning it and the tv back on, but it didn\'t work. While I was trying I managed to eject the disc and should have just walked off with it...
lol Eik. :)
I am going to try and find a display today.
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I\'ve seen it all, you are trashing the GC for games that don\'t look better than the DC (tho, I\'ve never seen lighting on the DC like in Luigi\'s Mansion.hmm..) yet up until a few months ago most PS2 games looked DC quality or worse. Does anyone remember the MASSIVE jaggies in RRV? The terrible pop up in SUmmoner? If you want to ***** about launch game quality, we can. I assure you though, for the most part, PS2 launch wasn\'t exactly stunning and anyways, beatuy is in the eye of the beholder.
k gentlemen of the forums...im gonna try and make this short yet to the point and, im going to keep my impressions of the gamecube serious and anti-biased.
That quote pretty much makes all of your points null. You call this a "press conference" (Funny, I don\'t recall you being press), yet you are stating that you are biased towards the company and their products, that you are about to "review".
Hmmmm.....
:rolleyes:
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youre just an asshole..and you hate me cause im not afraid of speaking the truth..and the truth is that the gamecube, from whats been shown, sucks...and thats final....the ps2 sucked at launch too and had i been a member of these forums last year i wouldve bashed it to hell cause believe me, i hated the ps2 last year cause everything looked like ass except for madden and DOA2...ridge racer was a jagg nightmare and the rest of the games were weak compared to the DC....
and too bad that the gamecube isnt doing any better at this point......why dont you swallow the cum thats stuck in your throat and admit to the gamecube\'s launch dissapointments instead of trying to hassle me for everything i say about it....if youre so much of a nintendo fanboy, then get the HELL out of this ps2 forum!
:evil:
and as for the \'press conference\' thing..it was a joke to those i know....you must be trying to take over were jumpman left off and quote me on a worthless line, just to talk smack.
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Originally posted by lestat
youre just an asshole..and you hate me cause im not afraid of speaking the truth..and the truth is that the gamecube, from whats been shown, sucks...and thats final....the ps2 sucked at launch too and had i been a member of these forums last year i wouldve bashed it to hell cause believe me, i hated the ps2 last year cause everything looked like ass except for madden and DOA2...ridge racer was a jagg nightmare and the rest of the games were weak compared to the DC....
and too bad that the gamecube isnt doing any better at this point......why dont you swallow the cum thats stuck in your throat and admit to the gamecube\'s launch dissapointments instead of trying to hassle me for everything i say about it....if youre so much of a nintendo fanboy, then get the HELL out of this ps2 forum!
:evil:
and as for the \'press conference\' thing..it was a joke to those i know....you must be trying to take over were jumpman left off and quote me on a worthless line, just to talk smack.
;)
I\'ll address these one at a time...
- I am not going to argue with you. I never start fights on this forum and never have since I\'ve been here. I won\'t hold my opinion back though, just as I don\'t expect you to.
- You cannot call the GC launch a dissapointment for the American audience when it has not even launched here yet. You can assume that it will be a dissapointment, but that doesn\'t mean it will.
- Get it right, I\'m a Sega / Capcom fanboy. ON the other hand, I believe each console has its place in the market, unlike you, who is just pissed off that Nintendo is smart and making their money off younger audiences and forgot about the older demographic , for the most part. You never shut up with your remarks about Nintendo. I think you are under the impression that because this is a PS2 forum, that everyone is PS2 fanboys, it isn\'t so though. For the most part, we are all multi-console owners or possible multi-console owners..
- I don\'t hate you. Don\'t put words into my mouth / posts. Thank you.
- That was not a worthless quote. That quote proved the point, that if you are going to review a product, you need to be unbiased, something you clearly are not. Simple, eh?
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thanx for addressing me in a more respectful way...
keep im mind, i said the gamecube is a dissapointment to ME...not to america or the world...i am a multi-console gamer myself...and ive been around since the atari days and tried out every console...i am NOT a ps2 fanboy, and just because i bash nintendo it doesnt mean i pull for sony because i will be getting an xbox sometime next year and IF the gamecube improves, IMO, i will also buy it sometime next year if cash allows...but right now, since i am a \'graphics whore\' i am utterly dissapointed with the graphics...im disgusted with the music even more in lugis mansion..
im disgusted with the stiffness of rogue leader\'s gameplay (from what i saw in the video) and i havent been impressed at all with anything...so far, the dreamcast could pull off those games and the DC is over 2 years old...
state your opinion about the games and / or consoles without stating your opinion about me or the rest of the members of this forum that post...this will allow for good debate and discussion without personal insults...YOU go off and tell me to shut up and label me a fanboy and all this other bull-crap and in turn i have to send you to hell...if i wanted to fight id post in the rants and raves section...just keep your opinions on the the topic of the thread and whats being discussed and dont target me for insulting or angry replies...thats all i ask.
about the worthless quote...i mentioned id be unbiased because Eiksirf thought i would be...and i didnt want people to ignore my review just because of my obvious hatred for nintendo...
and i think i did a pretty good job, whether or nto you agree with me though is a different story...but im not the first to review the gamecube and give it a thumbsdown...scroll back on some of the gamecube posts here and those whove played it and youll read the same thing.
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OK I\'ll jump in on this one.
Why do u want a Gamecube anyway? I mean I understand if you\'re like 14 years old. But most of us here are 20+ or roundabouts. Hell I thought Mario was stupid when I was 10.
And I like graphics. They make the game better. You don\'t like graphics go get an Atari.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
And I like graphics. They make the game better. You don\'t like graphics go get an Atari.
I\'ve heard this same ignorant comment a thousand times, what I think is that graphics are good enough at this point so that gameplay is whats important, I dont fell the need for better graphics, but I wont go pick up an Atari
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I\'ve seen it all, you are trashing the GC for games that don\'t look better than the DC (tho, I\'ve never seen lighting on the DC like in Luigi\'s Mansion.hmm..) yet up until a few months ago most PS2 games looked DC quality or worse. Does anyone remember the MASSIVE jaggies in RRV? The terrible pop up in SUmmoner? If you want to ***** about launch game quality, we can. I assure you though, for the most part, PS2 launch wasn\'t exactly stunning and anyways, beatuy is in the eye of the beholder.
That quote pretty much makes all of your points null. You call this a "press conference" (Funny, I don\'t recall you being press), yet you are stating that you are biased towards the company and their products, that you are about to "review".
Hmmmm.....
:rolleyes:
yes but... GC is a lot easier to program for. Better tools and libraries than ps2 had when it launched. We should see something significantly better than PS2 launch. And we probably will somewhat. While the GC is not underpowered by any means , it is still limited in its power. It is only going to be $199.00 and that can\'t all be dvd player (PS2 almost didn\'t get a dvd playback mode, do you think it would have been $199.00) sometimes you get what you pay for. In this case it would be a decent console to play all of nintendos exclusives on. Not bad for $199.00 IMHO
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As lestat mentioned in his post, I was alongside him @ toys \'r us.
And we both walked away in disappointment. While he may have a strong dislike for Nintendo, I don\'t. (I hate the Piece of sh!t N64 though.) The point is, lestat is right in his remarks about the GC. (in terms of graphics.)
Yes, the PS2 had a horrible launch, plagued with crappy looking games. And it got mocked, just as every console will get mocked. Do the opinions stay the same forever? No. But you must remember that first impressions are very important, for the most part, and in this area, the GC has failed to impress me.
Nintendo lads have spoken so highly of their GC, and how the PS2 can\'t handle the current games and whatnot. Or how the lighting in Luigi\'s Mansion is a godsend, well it isn\'t. I am far more impressed with the lighting in Silent Hill 2 than that of Luigi\'s Mansion.
Textures. This is one area that the PS2 is severely lacking in, and the GC excels. You wouldn\'t think that by looking @ half of those launch games. The only exception being Rogue Leader. Does that mean the GC is weak and will remain a disappointment forever? Hell no. But I am greatly disappointed with the graphics it is delivering @ this point, and this coming from someone who planned on buying it @ launch. I know judging the GC @ this point in time is unfair, but that\'s all it is, an impression of the graphics @ this point in time. Lestat might get his point across in a hostile way (which I don\'t think he did in his first post) but the important part is that he was being sincere.
So if no one wants to listen to my thoughts either, that\'s fine. Does it really matter what anyone thinks anyway? ;)
/ dm /
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Originally posted by Bozco
I\'ve heard this same ignorant comment a thousand times, what I think is that graphics are good enough at this point so that gameplay is whats important, I dont fell the need for better graphics, but I wont go pick up an Atari
You don\'t think graphics make a game better? Then put 2 identical games side by side. Only difference is one has better graphics. Which would u choose?
There is always room for improvement. I\'m not knocking GC\'s graphics, but if we all just stopped working b/c we were satisfied we would never see improvement.
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Man this thread is null and void. First it was the mocking of ps2 graphics not better than dc. Then it was the mocking of xbox graphics looking too pcish and not living up to all the hype. Now it is the gc mocking.
lestat it is very hard to take anything you say seriously because you who would be so immature and bash nintendo and call nintendo "kidtendo" and then when LIC points you out for being a foolish troll you want to try and act mature and call yourself multi-console. I mean how can anybody take what you say about nintendo seriously since you have already proven that you hate nintendo and constantly bash it a make stupid remarks about the company.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Man this thread is null and void. First it was the mocking of ps2 graphics not better than dc. Then it was the mocking of xbox graphics looking too pcish and not living up to all the hype. Now it is the gc mocking.
lestat it is very hard to take anything you say seriously because you who would be so immature and bash nintendo and call nintendo "kidtendo" and then when LIC points you out for being a foolish troll you want to try and act mature and call yourself multi-console. I mean how can anybody take what you say about nintendo seriously since you have already proven that you hate nintendo and constantly bash it a make stupid remarks about the company.
by the simple fact that i pointed out facts about the system\'s performance and NOT my opinion about the game itself.....
it\'s a fact that the textures do not look any better than a the ps2\'s blurry textures, its a fact that the lighting is nowhere near as impressive as that of ico or silent hill2...its a fact that rogue leader moves stiff and lacks the feeling of flight...its an opinion had i stated that i think it sucks cause its kiddie like i truly feel about luigis mansion, but thats my personal opinion and didnt include it in my original post....
the reason this thread got null or void is because of people like LIC that come and bash me just cause he knows i hate nintendo...
and you\'re not helping either..in fact no one yet has argued the facts i originally stated about gamecubes graphics...instead theyve attacked me....i may bash the \'gaycube\' and call it \'kidtendo\' but in my original post i stayed away from these immature remarks and focused on the issues themselves...
i could care less if im liked in these forums...to me its not a popularity contest and i just come here to discuss gaming and debate somethings here and there...but when my thread gets ingnored and i get bombarded instead, i feel as if i wasted my time typing up a serious a review and next time ill go back and just say...\'the gaycube sucks and the graphics suck and its kiddie and gay\'...cause apparently thats what you and LIC seem to have read instead....
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No, the reason this thread is null and pointless is because you are reviewing a product, yet you admit you are biased towards Nintendo. That is like me reviewing a Final Fantasy product, yet I hate Final Fantasy....
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
No, the reason this thread is null and pointless is because you are reviewing a product, yet you admit you are biased towards Nintendo. That is like me reviewing a Final Fantasy product, yet I hate Final Fantasy....
:rolleyes:
if you actually read my post, instead of assuming sh!t, youd notice that i reviewed the gamecube\'s graphical performance...
bias does not come into play there...
whether or not you hate final fantasy, it doesnt mean that you cant comment on it\'s graphics without people raping you for hating it...
i may hate nintendo and the gamecube, but it doesnt stop me from admitting that RE is looking damn good and that monkey ball is cool and starfox adventures is sweet...
and thats all i did, review its graphics.
you say for us to get off nintendo\'s ass and get over them being kiddie and what not...then why dont you get off my ass and reply to another thread instead of replying to all my posts in a negative way??
thanx.
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Well gosh fiddley-dee god-damn, the graphics of the GC launch software only look slightly better than some of the best things we have seen out of the PS2 after a year and a half. Are you fanboys still going to say that developers need more ::quotation fingers:: "learning time" with the PS2 after 1 1/2 YEARS?
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Well gosh fiddley-dee god-damn, the graphics of the GC launch software only look slightly better than some of the best things we have seen out of the PS2 after a year and a half. Are you fanboys still going to say that developers need more ::quotation fingers:: "learning time" with the PS2 after 1 1/2 YEARS?
Hrm, the only game that looks impressive IMO, (and technically superior to current PS2 games) would be Rogue Leader. Your statement implies that all of GC\'s launch software look better, and lemme tell you, they don\'t.
And the area in which Rogue Leader is superior in would be textures.
/ dm /
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Originally posted by Lord of Darkness
Well gosh fiddley-dee god-damn, the graphics of the GC launch software only look slightly better than some of the best things we have seen out of the PS2 after a year and a half. Are you fanboys still going to say that developers need more ::quotation fingers:: "learning time" with the PS2 after 1 1/2 YEARS?
Like Datamage, I don\'t see where the GC launch software looks anywhere near as good as top of the line PS2 titles. I\'ve seen and played the GameCube myself at our local stores (yes, import from Japan), and graphically Wave Race isn\'t that what many are expecting. I admit, I haven\'t seen RL live, but various downloads to say that it looks good. I won\'t even start with Luigi here. If you think Wave Race looks good, check out Splashdown. I take it that the devs behind this game made that boring and very disappointing surfgame last year? Well, look how this one is turning out.. and about those 1 1/2 years - believe it or not, but you will see improvements until the end of the PS2 life span. It\'s what makes devs - learning to go around things differently, creating better graphics at every attempt. Look at PSX and compare Gran Turismo to any Ridge Racer that came out within the first year. I think the devs are doing great progress at the moment and I have absolutely no doubts that the graphics are still going to improve by A LOT by the time they really figure things out.
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To proove sevens point..
Ridge Racer
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Gran Turismo
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Ridge Racer V
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Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec
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That proves ****.
-Both games were made by different developers
-GT3 looked that good before RRV was even released
-You really suck at making insults *who ever edited my post*
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Originally posted by Goku
-Your mom\'s fat
:laughing:
lestat, I was wondering why you don\'t think bias would affect someone\'s perception of graphics. I\'m not saying that you are biased because I haven\'t seen it but If someone really dislikes something won\'t that affect their perception and make them blow any "flaw" out of proportion?
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Originally posted by Gohan
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lestat, I was wondering why you don\'t think bias would affect someone\'s perception of graphics. I\'m not saying that you are biased because I haven\'t seen it but If someone really dislikes something won\'t that affect their perception and make them blow any "flaw" out of proportion?
you make a good point there...and yes, i would be one to blow things out of proportion when it comes to nintendo\'s flaws, BUT in this case, and datamage as my witness who went with me, that wasnt the case. (huh?)
i thought Rl was cool and luigis mansion and wave race when i had seen movies of it on compressed avi\'s or mov\'s, but once i saw them on a tv screen, it wasnt the same...the final graphical judgement will be when i play it at home or actually at my friend\'s crib when he gets it..ofcourse.....but until now..you dont hear me saying crap about RE or starfox advenures or monkey ball do you?
cause i think graphically they are all outstanding.
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Goku,
I find it very pathetic that you have to prove every stupid, but logic statements nowdays. But enjoy, this one is for you:
Ridge Racer: (September 1995)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpsxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Freviews%2Fimage%2FRidgeRR.jpg&hash=7dbfb065f1ff30adb7c6ed6171f6799339548e48)
Ridge Racer Type 4: (May 1999)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpsxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Fr4final9.jpg&hash=3e95e50edab5db40fd60566634bfbe40a4eda72a)
Even though the first one is very small, you would have to be blind not to see the difference. Same platform, same developer.
-GT3 looked that good before RRV was even released
That\'s not true. GT3 didn\'t exist when RRV was released. The game which you are speaking of, was called GT2000 and has since then been refined and rebuild from scratch (the graphics engine), later to be renamed to GT3 A-Spec. See the difference (note the textures, jaggies colours, fog etc):
Gran Turismo 2000 (to release at launch or soon after [2000]):
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fextra.gamespot.co.uk%2Fspecials%2F2000%2Fects2000%2Fps2%2Fgrt00_1%2Fgal_grt00_1_screen15.jpg&hash=bc2ea1564c2d54c1c03cebf146a5f88467a20ac3)
Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec (final build, rebuild gfx engine, release 2001):
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.surfeu.ch%2Fps2%2Fscreens%2Fgt2000%2Ft9.jpg&hash=92374848868b361bafabdd062a4cba4f9167f9ed)
As above, same developer, same platform.
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Good \'ol Jumpman is back..
Good post seven... :D
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Man, I haven\'t posted here in a while. Anyway, I think this thread deserves my expertise. ;) :D
Lestat, if you\'re reviewing solely on graphics you might have point, though I completely disagree on your review of Rogue Leader. But you have to realize that gameplay makes or breaks a game (don\'t say something like "if you made mario for the GC in 8-bit with excellent gameplay it wouldn\'t sell"). I don\'t know why you would not buy a GC just because the graphics aren\'t "perfect." More or less, the GC, PS2, and the Xbox are going to have the same graphics. IMO, it would be a big mistake if you missed out on games like Rogue Leader, Mario and Zelda because you aren\'t impressed with the graphics of a few games(yes their new...uh...approach to Zelda is not the greatest, but all Zelda games are good. period.) Also, IMO, Square will develop for the GC (probably nothing exclusive) and many other popular games like Dragon Warrior, etc. will be coming to the GC. If I were you, I\'d pass up the Xbox for now and buy a GC. You\'ll be saving $100 too!
BTW, I have a question for all of you that were turned away by the N64. What happened when Sega failed a couple of times miserably? Why didn\'t you hate them and refuse to buy a Dreamcast? Does Nintendo have to be pushed out of the hardware business to gain some appreciation?
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Originally posted by seven
Goku,
I find it very pathetic that you have to prove every stupid, but logic statements nowdays. But enjoy, this one is for you:
Ridge Racer: (September 1995)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpsxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Freviews%2Fimage%2FRidgeRR.jpg&hash=7dbfb065f1ff30adb7c6ed6171f6799339548e48)
Ridge Racer Type 4: (May 1999)
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Even though the first one is very small, you would have to be blind not to see the difference. Same platform, same developer.
That\'s not true. GT3 didn\'t exist when RRV was released. The game which you are speaking of, was called GT2000 and has since then been refined and rebuild from scratch (the graphics engine), later to be renamed to GT3 A-Spec. See the difference (note the textures, jaggies colours, fog etc):
Gran Turismo 2000 (to release at launch or soon after [2000]):
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Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec (final build, rebuild gfx engine, release 2001):
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As above, same developer, same platform.
No, you are quite wrong here.
Around the PS2 launch, there were loads of posts about GT3 or GT2000 and the shots look basically the same then as they did now. I was here then, you were not. Maybe some time after the PS2 launch but not that long. I remember perfectly.
You still never argued the fact that they were both developed by different developers(yes you rambled on but that was all BS). Polyphony=arguably the best racing developer out there. Namco= descent racing developer. That\'s why GT3 looks a hell of a lot better than RRV. Fact.
By posting RR1 and RR4 pics, your most certainly not doing anything good for your argument. The PSX was supposedly easy to develop for, yet developers kept putting better and better looking games out each year. The same logic can be used for NGC whether you like it or not.
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Ok you sit there and say that you dont buy a console until the second generation of games come throught, but you sit there saying how bad GC is based on First gen software, that you wasn\'t even playing, how about you play the games first then tell us what you think.
I have watched loads of ps2 dvd off magazines, that make the games look terrible, but it is only when you finally have that game running from the machine to your tv that you can tell what it is really like.
I am not haveing ago at you, because if that is how you feel, then that is how you feel, but i thought i should just say those couple of things, before you right the GC off.
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No, you are quite wrong here.
Wrong about what? GT2000/GT3 A-Spec? Yeah sure, in your wet dreams.
Around the PS2 launch, there were loads of posts about GT3 or GT2000 and the shots look basically the same then as they did now. I was here then, you were not. Maybe some time after the PS2 launch but not that long. I remember perfectly.
Ah right, you remember perfectly. I was a webmaster of a PS2 site and I can assure you, there\'s a big graphical difference between GT2000 and GT3 A-Spec. Check the screen above, and you will already see that the GT2000 one has weak textures, bland colours, jaggies and kind of foggy sight. These do not appear in GT3. Believe me mate, I\'ve played the GT2000 demo (never released to the public) with my own two eyes. You might remember perfectly (LOL) what was posted here - I, however, have had hands-on experience. Can\'t prove me wrong, I know my facts.
You still never argued the fact that they were both developed by different developers(yes you rambled on but that was all BS). Polyphony=arguably the best racing developer out there. Namco= descent racing developer. That\'s why GT3 looks a hell of a lot better than RRV. Fact.
I don\'t need to, I was only argueing the fact that games improve and will so even on PS2 until its days are counted. GT3 might look better than RRV - but just look how much of effort was put in. GT3 (or at the time GT2000) were in development soon after GT2 was finished - how long did Namco take to develop Ridge Racer V? When were the two release dates? You are comparing a game that launched with the PS2 (RRV) and another one that was released over a year later.
By posting RR1 and RR4 pics, your most certainly not doing anything good for your argument. The PSX was supposedly easy to develop for, yet developers kept putting better and better looking games out each year. The same logic can be used for NGC whether you like it or not.
Where did I ever say anything about the NGC? I was just replying to Lord of Darkness\'s post. And yes, the PS2 requires more learning time than other consoles - developers themselves have stated this. Of course graphics on NGC will improve, I never said otherwise. On PS2 we will see great progress aswell.. graphics are going to improve a lot by the time they really figure things out. FACT as well.