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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: fastson on October 13, 2001, 04:24:05 PM
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And it doesn\'t work. Well, I guess it KIND of does.
See, if we boot it up, sometimes it\'ll just freeze completely. Sometimes it\'ll actually begin to load one of the games, but then we\'ll get a \'Green Screen of Death\' as we call it, and then the system will actually scratch the disk to all hell, destroying it.
Needless to say we were PISSED, I don\'t know about you guys but I was friggin excited about playing some DOA3 man. That\'s really sad. Manager said that this was the final real deal too. Came in the final casing, final box, with instruction manual and all. All signs indicate that this is the box they\'ll be shipping on the 15th.
I hope that our box was a VERY rare case because otherwise MSFT is in some sh*t. We called the number they gave us like 4 times so far, we\'ve opened it up, nothing was physically harmed during shipping that we can see. MS is sending a rep out to see if he can get it working. If not I guess they\'ll send a new one.
Any other people see working or non-working Xbox displays at stores?
BTW, I\'m not posting this as a bash, I\'m sure we got a very rare box. The Gamecube fans that work there with me got a kick out of it though
-LT
I dunno.. Can he be trusted? (He\'s a moderator on the IGN boards)
(I know what some of you pro-xers are gonna answer!) :eyemouth:
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isn\'t this on unfinished debug kit X-Box\'s? Otherwise, how would this guy have gotten hold of an X-Box?
and like you say, every launch has it\'s problems, maybe this is just ONE bad console in a few thousand, like Sony?
Eric Jacpb
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
isn\'t this on unfinished debug kit X-Box\'s? Otherwise, how would this guy have gotten hold of an X-Box?
and like you say, every launch has it\'s problems, maybe this is just ONE bad console in a few thousand, like Sony?
Eric Jacpb
He works in a store I belive..
Those are suppose to be the final version (you know the kiosks once?)
Yes.. It can be one in a million.. Just like Sonys ;)
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Well if you know Microsoft, chances are this isn\'t 1 in a million. This XBox just went into MS puberty early ;)
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Originally posted by JediMaster
Well if you know Microsoft, chances are this isn\'t 1 in a million. This XBox just went into MS puberty early ;)
Hey just to let you know Jedi, I saw the GC yesterday and it looks..... cute
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I PLAYED the GameCube today, an imported GameCube with Wave Race: Bull ****, I knew this game would suck anyways, but the controller was great.
Now just to wait for Rogue Leader and Super Smash Brothers Melee.
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Originally posted by JediMaster
I PLAYED the GameCube today, an imported GameCube with Wave Race: Bull ****, I knew this game would suck anyways, but the controller was great.
Wha? It sucks? Fanboys on other forums say the game rocks...
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They probably haven\'t played it. I always thought it would suck, and it did.
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Yeah the N64 waverace blowed ****
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judging by this board, PS2\'s breaking are not even close to 1 in a million, 1 in a few thousand sounds more realistic.
Eric Jacob
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When\'s the release date of the X-box?
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
judging by this board, PS2\'s breaking are not even close to 1 in a million, 1 in a few thousand sounds more realistic.
Eric Jacob
Remember.. There are 20million PS2s.
And.. Soon 300 000 Xboxes :fro:
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
judging by this board, PS2\'s breaking are not even close to 1 in a million, 1 in a few thousand sounds more realistic.
It\'s not accurate basing the number of broken PS2s on how many people here complain about them. Most people here bought a launch PS2. After the launch PS2s I haven\'t heard of any cases where the PS2 broke.
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Originally posted by fastson
Remember.. There are 20million PS2s.
And.. Soon 300 000 Xboxes :fro:
Remember those are ps2\'s shiped not sold. So you can comb the fro. But I would speculate that sony has to have sold 15million or close to it.
It is funny how this guy is the only person to say this. I wouldn\'t bother with it too much who knows he reason for such talk.
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Expect thios to be true
Everyone road SOny\'s ass during lthe PS2 launch but its obvious that it takes alot more then people perceive to pull off a launch of a next gen console in this huge competitive age we a re in
Growing pains for all 3 systems will happen, its the nature of the beast
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QuDDus, so?
Are those 300 000 XBOX sold yet? Nope.
Are all those 20 000 000 PS2s sold yet? Nope..
I never said they were sold.
They\'re still 20 million PS2s out there :fro:
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Knowing Microsoft, this could only be the tip of the Iceberg.
I find it funnt that most of the M$ fanboys where saying that the X box would have a Flawless launch .........
*snigger* :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
All launches have there problems, the only worry for microsoft isthat they have a record when it comes to things working they way they are meant to.
Lets just all now thanks God that MicroSoft have no hand "at least i hope" with the following systmes
[list=1]
- life support sytems
- Nuclear Power Plants
- Tactical Nuke Launch Systmes
[/list=1]
;)
LOL
The Green Sceen of Death ...........well at least they
have changed something , but then again it did take them 15 od years or so to change it from Blue to Green :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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LMAO @ ooseven!
Good one! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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I\'ve gotten the blue screen of death twice today alone
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what MS fanboy said that Xbox would have a flawless launch? gie me a link...please.
That joke was obvious and if anybody laughed at that I am sad for that person, probably doesnt ever get out into the real world.
fastson having a shipped figure is void and null if people aren\'t using them , if only 15 million have been sold, than only 15 million are being sold, you can\'t report a bad system if it is still on the store shelves.
Geez, you guys go to stupid lengths to prove stupid points. I hope some of this gets through to you so I feel like I havent wasted my time.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by fastson
QuDDus, so?
Are those 300 000 XBOX sold yet? Nope.
Are all those 20 000 000 PS2s sold yet? Nope..
I never said they were sold.
They\'re still 20 million PS2s out there :fro:
20 Million PS2\'s out there and nobody I know has one... hmmmm
Maybe there is really 10 million sold and the rest was shipped because the other 10 million broke down. I mean look on these forums, you can\'t come across hardly anyone who hasn\'t brought their PS2 back to the store because of something not working.
Sony sure does spew tons of lies and crap, but then again, they are one of the most deceptive companies on this planet, they make Microsoft look like a little kid when it comes to deceptive marketing and practices.
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Originally posted by Docwiz
20 Million PS2\'s out there and nobody I know has one... hmmmm
Their are over 250 million people in America alone. Only about 8 million PS2s have been shipped to America so far. What is your point?
Maybe there is really 10 million sold and the rest was shipped because the other 10 million broke down. I mean look on these forums, you can\'t come across hardly anyone who hasn\'t brought their PS2 back to the store because of something not working.
I guess you skipped over my post above, so I\'ll post it again:
It\'s not accurate basing the number of broken PS2s on how many people here complain about them. Most people here bought a launch PS2. After the launch PS2s I haven\'t heard of any cases where the PS2 broke.
Sony sure does spew tons of lies and crap, but then again, they are one of the most deceptive companies on this planet, they make Microsoft look like a little kid when it comes to deceptive marketing and practices.
Microsoft sure does spew tons of lies and crap, but then again, they are one of the most deceptive companies on this planet, they make Sony look like a little kid when it comes to deceptive marketing and practices. :rolleyes:
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Umm..
20million PS2s have been shipped.. Fact.
300 000 Xboxes will be shipped for launch.. Fact
(Rumors say they\'re having problems and might only have 150 000 ready for launch..Again only rumors)
What I was saying if 1 Xbox broke down its one in 300 000..
If 10 PS2s brake down they\'re 10 in 20million..
What I wanted to say is that every console has it flaws.. They get fixed when the newer versions are out ect.
I havent heard that any newer PS2s have broken down yet..
Maybe the problem is fixed?
Sony sure does spew tons of lies and crap, but then again, they are one of the most deceptive companies on this planet, they make Microsoft look like a little kid when it comes to deceptive marketing and practices.
:laughing:
Ok.. Here we go..
ProsessiveScan DVD player: False
10GB Harddrive: Nope.. 8GB Harddrive. (It went like this 8->10->8)
250MHz XGPU: Nope.. Again lowered to 233MHz
And some other **** that I cant remember.. :rolleyes:
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Nuff said.. :fro:
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look i don\'t know if this is 100% accruate but here is a Email sent to tycho at penny-arcade, it provides some very intresting reading and might explain why the booth Final versions crashed.
Xbox: Guadalajara Nights
Even though I thought I\'d established that console wars are stupid, people persist in thinking that because I enjoyed playing the GameCube, and because we make fun of the Xbox, that these two items are somehow part of a vast, self-perpetuating intellectual framework. We make fun of the Xbox because we think it\'s funny, it\'s not any more complicated than that. It\'s not a part of a jihad against other consoles, and the whole thing reaches truly idiotic proportions when people take a cartoon about a guy with really big hands as some kind of personal assault. So when people send me a rumor like the one below - on the assumption that I\'ll enjoy it, because it\'s bad Xbox news - they\'re only half right. I enjoy it because it\'s interesting, but anything that keeps Safety Monkey from buying an Xbox and Halo - and then bringing it to my house - is going to be a crisis of extraodinary proportions.
From: Some Guy
To: tycho@penny-arcade.com
Subject: xbox problems you will love to hear!
I have the questionable pleasure of living down the border in Guadalajara Mexico, I also work at a nice big company which name I will like to keep out of the way for reasons that will become obvious in a minute, the thing is that we are in a tight industrial area of Guadalajara, prety close to "flextronics" the company that is manufacturing the XBOX! (Dramatic revelation!) is not a MS company is just a company they hired to do the job.
A friend of mine (which we will call "Dave" to keep his real name anonymous) works there and was assigned to the XBOX project a month ago. (shocking!) Now you may imagine it must been a really busy month building and testing XBOXes and stuff but.. can you handle the truth? can you?!
According to Dave he has spent the last month doing.. (dramatic pause!) absolutely nothing. As a matter of fact he has been lingering around watching videos on the net and trying to appear to be busy. Why? because they didnt have anything to build! the xbox design finally went into production last SUNDAY! (september 23 2001) (truly shocking!!)
Now what happens if you start production on Sunday on a Mexican factory ? (dramatic pause allowing you to answer) NOBODY is there to do it! only those who are unlucky enough to be there doing extra time, (like poor old Dave was) But they were ORDERED to do it anyway. No QA guys, no big bosses nothing, just a bunch of employees, trying to build a machine for the first time ever! (shocking, er, shocking!)
As you may have guessed things didnt went very smooth, as a matter of fact they didnt go very smooth at all! lots of machines were so defective they didnt pass the normal standards and went back to the line again, Dave and his friend expent hours after hours trying to build the damn boxes but they still were defective, to make a large awful history short they only were able to build 10 Xboxes that day! 10! and those XBOXES who did make it only passed standard tests! no other testing was applied!
SHOCKING HORROR!
To give you an idea, they were supossed to build 3 million machines by november, 3 million!
Dave continues to work there, if everything goes well he will be congratulated for trying to do his best in a desperate time. But there are still those 10 boxes out there... in the shadows. The 10 xboxes he and his friend built.
Are those 10 xboxes alone? will they have company? 3 million in a mere month.. what kind of QA will they have?
Xboxes, everywhere lurking in the shadows.
Sweet dreams.
Well, maybe not for everyone.
(Back to Penny Arcade)
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Fastson here is some fun facts for you:
-Toy Story Graphics Realtime
-66 million polygons
-Bouncer being cool
-quality construction
etc.
Why is MS worse than $$$ony
ooseven - good job reporting old news, notice that this is from September 23rd. It has already been established that they didn\'t start building until a few weeks ago.:rolleyes: Nice job clarifying that, can\'t imagine what fastson or bossie would of said if I didn\'t
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Fastson here is some fun facts for you:
-Toy Story Graphics Realtime
-66 million polygons
-Bouncer being cool
-quality construction
etc.
Why is MS worse than $$$ony
Eric Jacob
Very good..
Here is a gift for you my nice lad..
- Raven demo realtime (Remember that M$ guy pretending to play it? LOL..)
- 300 million polygons
- XGPU at 300MHz (Lowerd to 250 and then 233)
Btw.. I don’t know why you\'ve become so anti-ps2 lately..
Do you feel threatened by something or someone?
I dunno.. You used to be a pretty cool guy..
Oh well.. :rolleyes:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Ffastson%2Fforum%2Fforum%2Fgatesani.gif&hash=46456e54c82b8a79b2af8497cdb17813514dc61b)
:laughing:
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show me a link that says hte raven demo wasn\'t real time? I don\'t care what the hell you say if you can\'t prove it, I have no idea about what you are talking about with the guy pretending to play it, perhaps because I wasn\'t an X-Box follower in the beginning.
give me links.
Eric Jacob
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Umm.. Eric.. That was like a year ago.. When M$ first showed off the Xbox..
I remember it clearly..
The Ravem-robot demo running.. And two guy holding Sidewinder controllers were jumping about on the stage pretending to play it..
Looked pretty ridiculous if you ask me :)
But later, M$ changed the demo to a real time one. (bad jaggies.)
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X-Box has built in FSAA, were you by any chance imagining this? give me a link, I don\'t care how old, I will give you a link of SOny\'s dumb comments if you want, but we already know Sony said them, you can\'t prove what you say.
Eric Jacob
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ok, calm down everybody, they are just videogames!!
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
X-Box has built in FSAA, were you by any chance imagining this? give me a link, I don\'t care how old, I will give you a link of SOny\'s dumb comments if you want, but we already know Sony said them, you can\'t prove what you say.
Eric Jacob
Xbox has hardware FSAA.. I know that.. (XBOX wasnt completed back then.. I think there were some computers emulating it.. Just like the first PS2 showing.. Something like 6 computeres emulating the PS2..)
I think you can ask almost any person about this
and they\'ll tell you what I\'ve said..
I have no need to prove this to you.. If you want to know so badly, go look for youself..
Claypool 2001: I am calm.. There\'s something bothering Eric and I dont know what it is..
I have a tip..
If your frustrated, dont come into a forum and bash people..
Go out.. Smash some things up. Scream or whatever.. ;)
That should help.. :eyemouth:
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yup, that\'s what I thought.
:rolleyes:
good job arguing your point though, giving up because you cant prove it, that gives you really nice credibility.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
yup, that\'s what I thought.
:rolleyes:
good job arguing your point though, giving up because you cant prove it, that gives you really nice credibility.
Eric Jacob
LOL..
Im not giving up..
As you said
perhaps because I wasn\'t an X-Box follower in the beginning
So you prolly dont know anything about it..
MS showed 2 demos..
The first one Raven-robot dancing was a CG clip..
The 2nd one (a few months lator.. I think it was at some big show..) was a real time demo of Raven and the robot dancing.. (you could clearly see the difference..)
I even have a magazine where it says so.. I could scan it for you..
Provide you with some translation program or something..
Or you could look at some videogame archives..
I dunno.. You do what you feel like..
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Or you could read THIS (http://xbox.ign.com/news/19334.html)
It says the first one was pre-rendered..
Just like I said..
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The topic of this thread kind of changed, but here\'s more info backing up the original topic: The launch Xboxes are like the launch PS2s.
Ok, you might remember my favorable impressions of the X-box a couple days ago.
Well, today, I was back at that same target picking something up...and decided to give the box another go. My game loving little sister had tagged along with me. We watched several of the videos on display there. Same as the other day...except something new had come to light.
The videos now skipped like crazy. I mean like PSX original, upside-down models. I don\'t know what the deal was...but it was definately having issues and would play for about 3-4 seconds and pause for about 2. The sound also skipped badly (even though it was rather quiet). Second, Munch took over a minute (by my actual watch) to load this time...very odd. The other day, the loading wasn\'t all that hot...but it was much faster than this.
Now, I am not bashing the Box as a system...since I am probably getting one next year (can\'t miss out on all that Sega goodness), but since this is MS\'s first console it makes me wonder how reliable the hardware is. Will launch buyers get screwed like the original PSX?
I have heard a few other stories around the net about the X-box units having some issues (everything from what I mentioned to not loading at all). Maybe they are just early units, but I am really wondering about this...anyone else experience something along these lines?
A different person:
I actually passed by my EB today and was extremely surprised to find an Xbox demo unit. Naturally, since this was the first time I\'ve seen the thing, I approached only to find 2 employees screwing with it, and a couple other people around.
I inquired what was up, and they said the system was constantly crashing earlier in the day, and now it was failing to boot up. They said they were also in contact with another local EB to see if they had any problems, and it seem their unit would not boot up at all when they recieved it. I asked if what they have was supposed to be the final shipping unit, and they said yes, as far as they know. Ah well.. I was interested in seeing a game for myself.
They kept resetting it.. the screen kept flashing and making this buzzing noise, and cycling colors. Well, that\'s when I said good luck and walked out of there.
I guess it doesn\'t really matter though. You can always do the Walmart trick. ;)
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Originally posted by ooseven
Knowing Microsoft, this could only be the tip of the Iceberg.
I find it funnt that most of the M$ fanboys where saying that the X box would have a Flawless launch .........
*snigger* :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
All launches have there problems, the only worry for microsoft isthat they have a record when it comes to things working they way they are meant to.
Lets just all now thanks God that MicroSoft have no hand "at least i hope" with the following systmes
[list=1]
- life support sytems
- Nuclear Power Plants
- Tactical Nuke Launch Systmes
[/list=1]
;)
LOL
The Green Sceen of Death ...........well at least they
have changed something , but then again it did take them 15 od years or so to change it from Blue to Green :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
I hate to burst your buble but the system is not out yet.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I hate to burst your buble but the system is not out yet.
Thats the point of this thread, these are Final Booth versions of the Console andthey have problems now if you read the article from Penny-arcade.
they are going to struggle to produce enought unit\'s in time, also looking at the PA email it says that most of the units where only passed unsing very basic Quality Control tests.
this coupled with the need to produce units fast will only add to the increase chance in more Duff units being produced.
but you do have a point it has still to be launced on a vast scale, but unfortunally for M$ the delivery of Booth systems that work seams hard enough.
oh and Alt beast !
:mad:
i did say i wasn\'t 100% shure of the Accuracy of the Article , and i did say it made intresting reading.
PLEASE READ BEOFRE YOU BASH THE BOND ;)
oh Errrrrrrrrrrrr ;)
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Originally posted by IronFist
The topic of this thread kind of changed, but here\'s more info backing up the original topic: The launch Xboxes are like the launch PS2s.
A different person:
I guess it doesn\'t really matter though. You can always do the Walmart trick. ;)
How can the launch xbox\'s be like the launch ps2\'s when the xbox is not out and all your going bye is some kikos some so called person claims he played in a department store.
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yup, that\'s what I thought.
good job arguing your point though, giving up because you cant prove it, that gives you really nice credibility.
Eric Jacob
I am suprised you never heard about it (Raven demo)...
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Fastson here is some fun facts for you:
-Toy Story Graphics Realtime
Okay.. building up hype like M$ aswell. BTW: theoretical, it\'s possible. Outcast 2 looks pretty outstanding, so do other games coming out to PS2. It is possible (theoretical), it\'s just some thought these graphics would be seen at launch.
-66 million polygons
what is so funny about this one? please explain..
-Bouncer being cool
yeah, sony said that right?
-quality construction
etc.
What?
If you want, we can start comparing Sony with Microsoft... if that will make you feel better towards your X-Box.......
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Originally posted by QuDDus
How can the launch xbox\'s be like the launch ps2\'s when the xbox is not out and all your going bye is some kikos some so called person claims he played in a department store.
Stranger things have happend,i remember the panic around the PS2 launch when it was leacked that it wasn\'t 100% backwords compatible.
Shares in Sony dropped that day !
So its easy to see how something like this can cause a panic.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
How can the launch xbox\'s be like the launch ps2\'s when the xbox is not out and all your going bye is some kikos some so called person claims he played in a department store.
When the PS2 was launched last year, the systems were working fine. It wasn\'t until a couple months later that the PS2s started messing up. If the Xboxes are screwing up even before the launch day, doesn\'t that make you at least a little bit worried? It is more than one person who is making these claims. Go look around the internet. The Xbox is having problems.