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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: ##RaCeR## on October 16, 2001, 03:39:52 AM
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I am doing an oral for my major IPT asessment piece, and it has to be on A.I. I have decided to demonstrate a piece of A.I. software, notably a PS2 game.
Which PS2 game (out now) do you believe to have the best A.I. (as in the way the computer controlled characters reacte and think)?
I was possibly thinking towards TTT or the MGS2 demo. What do you think?
Also, can you explain to me the why you think it has good A.I., and if you are in the know (which I am not), how do the implement A.I. of this standard.
THANKS DUDES.
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MGS2 is a perfect example of good AI..
Soldiers can search rooms, give orders ect.. (Thinking mainly of the locker room and the "cafeteria")
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The only answer I know: IT\'S NOT PROJECT EDEN
I would say MGS2, but it\'s no real A.I.
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They say GTA3 will have really good A.I. but...its not out yet.
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i would say Black and White (if it is ever released)
YOUR Creature A.I.
The other Creatures A.I. and Enemy GOD\'s A.I. IS piss poor !
but other than that MGS2 so far has the title.
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I think SSX has a good AI, but not the best. When I finish MGS2 we´ll can speak :)
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GTA3 comes out next Tuesday(wednesday?) and from what I\'ve heard it has the best A.I.
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I would go with MGS2. Maybe GTA3 also, but I\'m not sure how good the AI is in that game yet.
STROKE, is there such a thing as "real AI" in video games? ;)
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So, youv\'e said that MGS2 has good A.I., but WHAT makes it so good? And also, how do they implement this type of A.I? What do they do? Programming techniques?
THANKS
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
So, youv\'e said that MGS2 has good A.I., but WHAT makes it so good? And also, how do they implement this type of A.I? What do they do? Programming techniques?
THANKS
My bet is that you are looking to understand quantifyable details such as how Konami utilized military/tactical advisors for assimilating theoretical reactions to covert situations (damn, I impressed myself there...I know, I know...it wasn\'t that hard). But seriously, why not get some info straight from the horse\'s mouth & e-mail Konami for information to support your thesis? They have folks that have done ump-teen interviews discussing the evolutions of their A.I. coding...surely they might have transcripts of same that they\'d be willing to offer... Just a suggestion that can\'t hurt to try.
Otherwise? Outside of MGS2...how \'bout NCAA Football 2002 for a discussion of A.I. Once again, with this suggestion you are opening yourself up for an opportunity to receive information directly from the likes of EA Sports... Getting football players in & digitizing their movements, coaches playbooks, you name it...they\'ve researched it to make it what it is: Artificial Intelligence.
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mario kart 64
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STROKE, is there such a thing as "real AI" in video games?
Perhaps not "real", but "good AI". I think what we see in most games is static AI: a simple IF command checks if Soldier \'X\' == is being attacked, then fire back or call for help..
Now, I think there is a way to achieve good AI in a game. AI that interacts with the user. Just to make an example: I programmed once the algorithmics of a simple knots and crosses game, that included pretty dynamic AI code. The AI was build in order to only make each mistake once. So, every time the computer lost due to a silly mistake, it would register that - not to make the same mistake again. In conclusion: the more you played the game, the smarter it got. After a few 100 games (I think using any possible way to win) the AI was unbeatable. That is my understanding under good AI. It might not be real, but it\'s sure good.
In MGS2, I could think of good AI as in: if Soldier gets killed at that place, security and alert increases in those areas. What happens now is, guard sees Snake, guard goes on alert, shoots or runs and calls for help. If you manage to escape, guards search for a while and then go back to NULL (completely forgeting that Snake ever existed).
I think MGS2 should somehow interact with the player - registering what he does, what kind of tactics he uses. In conclusion, you would have a game that isn\'t easy and the player would have to change is tactics each time he gets caught (and the AI learned something new). That what I would call good AI.
MGS2 doesn\'t quite deliever that yet. It is impressing, hell I ain\'t denying that, but I don\'t call it good or smart AI. It seems to static (as explained above). I\'ve only played the demo, so it is yet to see if the final build is any better. Still by far the best I have seen to date though (just to have that said).
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Metal Gear Solid 2!!!!! Just try hard and see how the guards acts. :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Oh, I see what you mean Seven. Good AI is what GT3 was supposed to have -- if you hit a car, they will hunt you down and get revenge, or just ignore you if they are less aggressive. Unfortunately, no game has gone to that level yet. I heard that Wipeout Fusion was going to have some killer AI, but it could just be some more garbage spewed from the mouth of the developers. They said that different teams will have different tactics to take you out. One team will even try to push you off the edge because they are bigger. :) And they will remember if you attacked them, and will act accordingly.
Like you said, MGS2 is just a huge list of "if this happens, then this happens." Nothing more. It would really be cool if you got caught than they will hunt you down until you are captured. Or if you threw a body off a ledge, they would actually go try to figure out what caused it rather than just calling for backup. Stuff like that would make the game a lot more suspenseful.
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I wasn\'t sure what you should pick till I rememberd the MGS2 demo, thats perfect