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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Ryu on October 16, 2001, 08:03:16 PM
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It\'s tough approaching an all new hyped up console. When you first see the machine running on a desk and the television set is still slightly out of view, your expectations rise extremely high expecting this exciting new product that will make your senses explode into a shiny bright beacon of colorful metaphors. However, those expectations can be a terrible thing if that explosion never happens and instead you walk off shaking your head in disbelief.
With new equipment, it\'s always a double edged sword because there is no way you can have a successful balance of wonder and pessimism when you approach that screen. Sometimes it just surprises you. This time I can\'t say if I walked in pessimistic or curious, but when I walked away from the X-Box, I felt overly depressed and with the Gamecube I walked away feeling optimistic.
X-Box
I have seen the X-Box in person several times before knowing, and partly believing, all the spiel that was spewed by the public and media sites stating that the games were early and that they had a lot of work left in them. Now however, my original impressions held through today just as they did months ago when I first saw that huge box whirring endlessly, but now with finished games.
The system just dissapoints me. Plain and Simple.
I got a chance to sit down for two hours playing both Halo and Oddworld today so I will break the games and the controller down for all those who have yet to try it out, but I am sure you will once those kiosks start showing up in EB\'s and Sam Goody stores across the nation, which they already have if I understand correctly.
Halo: I love FPS games. I especially love Counter-Strike, Dues EX, and I occasionally play Tribes and I must say, Halo doesn\'t differ too much from them. The vehicles are nice, nothing Tribes or Tribes 2 doesn\'t offer. The FPS is pretty solid in about 80% of the game with it dipping only occasionaly. However, although the presentation is very cinematic and it flows incredibly fast, this was meant to be a multiplayer game. Multiplayer games are the ones that are still considered to be the best by all. If MGS2 even had an I.Link mode hook-up where two players could dish it out to eachother in a snake vs snake battle in the same area as when you fought Olga, the game would be a billion times better. That holds true for any game, but it especially holds true for FPS\' and personally, with that lack of multiplayer goodness, I\'d much rather skip this game for the PC version.
Multiplayer issues aside, the game plays very well. The controller handles decently, but I still prefer the fast keyboard\\mouse combo I am customed to. Those slow turns to see what\'s behind you are painful to execute, especially when most enemy fire comes from the sides or the rear rather then straight ahead of you. I had fun for the first thirty minutes or so, but then after driving the jeep for a bit, I realized this game was merely executing an old console favorite from years ago: Ikari Warriors. Remember though, half the fun of that game was playing with a friend and nabbing vehicles before they did in the co-op arcade action. That\'s just not possible here, sadly.
Oddworld: When I first saw the videos for Oddworld, I was easily impressed. The water, the sunlight, the way the world reacted to everything that the player did and I had been a fan of the early 2D versions of the game and though the videos were faithful presentations of the 2D versions.
Then I played ICO.
Now, Oddworld is just odd. It\'s a nice diversion on a Sunday afternoon if all the football games are not being played on TV and you\'re out of beer, yet too lazy to get up and drive to the store for some more. It\'s nice for what it was a year ago when we all first saw it, but now it just comes up short with some terrible framerate issues. I guess I swallowed the hype of this game then and I could have expected too much, but what do you expect from Lorne Lanning, a guy who fired 90% of his staff when the game was "finished."
It controls exceptionally, but the default camera style is fairly lame and places you in strange angles when you need to make sudden quick turns. I found myself falling into a pit of bombs more often then not while I was trying to navigate a thin unobstructed path. I suddenly needed to turn left and yet the camera helds it\'s position rather then rotating with my character making the navigation overly difficult then necessary.
Graphically, I know the system is early and this is a launch title, but I hope it gets better and quick. Personally, I think Oddworld Inhabitants talked a big game and delivered a very small product.
X-Box controller: Size wise, I had no problem with it at all. It felt fairly comfortable in my hands. The button placement is what I have a problem with. The black and white buttons at the very top are far too out of place for any normal gamer and the L and R buttons are far too deep in the controller for anyone to even care aboutt them. It mimicks the Dreamcast controller greatly and yet it\'s subtle "provements" are short-comings. Perhaps the pictures just made it look comfortable, but honestly, it just came off awkward.
Gamecube
Optimistic is probably the nicest word I can use for this system, but like the X-Box, it dissapoints me to a degree as well. The Gamecube has that same type of graphical effect as the Dreamcast where a lot of the games look similar with the much brighter colors and cartoony feel rather than something overly realistic and detailed. That could be the artist in me spewing BS, but even Rogue Leader follows that trend to an extent.
I play all three Japanese launch games a few weeks ago and all three games are less then spectacular in their own ways be it concept, graphics, or originality. I\'m having a hard time finding reasons why I like the Gamecube over the X-Box this holiday season now that I compare it to the PS2 games that I have played that will be releasing or released at around the same time these systems launch. However, I have hight hoped for Star Wars Rogue Leader while I have no hopes for anything coming out for the X-Box this holiday season, and that includes the MS fanboy favorites, DOA3 and Project Gotham.
Super Monkey Ball: Marble Madness in extreme 3D with monkeys. Much to my chagrine, it\'s too much like Marble Madness and nothing but a quick thirty minute pick me up every now and again. I can never see myself setting up my Cube for a 3-hour romp with Monkey Ball and that\'s unfortunate for a Sega game. Pilot the monkey in a see-through sphere and collect as many bananas as you can and reach the goal. It sounds original, but take away the monkeys, and remove the bananas and you have Marble Madness, plain and simple.
I can\'t comment on the multiplayer aspect, but that\'s what everyone raves about who has the game so you should all keep that in mind when you finish reading these impressions.
Wave Race: Ble Storm: The acronym, Wave Race: BS is fairly accurate here. The water is pretty and yet the game is overly stale. Why or how Nintendo fanboys raved about this game is beyond me. The physics engine is pretty sharp and the graphics all around are pretty and decent, but the gameplay, unlike the water, is shallow. Tricks on jetskis is a great concept and all, but nothing about it makes me wanna pick this game over any other Nintendo launch title. However, it looks like I will seeing as how EB is screwing me with a non-cost-effective bundle. Thanks a lot guys.
If you want a game where you do tricks in an extreme kind of way with lots of multiplayer options, go with Tony Hawk 3 and go with the online play and just skip wave race. I\'m not even a huge tony hawk fan, but I know a good game when I see it and Wave Race is definitely not a good game.
Luigi\'s Mansion: To think that I thought this was the most graphically impressive game at Spaceworld 2k over a year ago. Funny how things change rapidly. I thought the lighting effects were some of the best I had ever seen in a game in the videos I had downloaded from the Nintendo site.
Then I played Silent Hill 2.
Now the lighting effects are nothing special. A flashlight creates real-time shadows, that\'s great, but why are the textures so N64-ish?
The of course there is the repetetitve gameplay. You can tell that Miyamoto, being the gaming genius that he is, was more focues on a game that interested him moreso then a game that was just a side project which is what Luigi\'s Mansion clearly is. A sidenote in a great man\'s career. In an hour, you\'ll be bored out of your mind, I know I was. Repetetive gameplay is the worst kind other then having none at all. Go to room A, find the key. Go to room B, find the ley. And so on. Sad, really.
Gamecube Controller: This is pobably the finest controller to date. The N64 pioneered the analoge stick, and now it creates buttons embedded within buttons. Genius. It\'s overly comfortable and the buttons feel great when you run your thumb over them with the L and R buttons placed correctly for your index fingers. Probably the most impressive Cube feature at launch.
Well, that just about does it for my impressions. So far, the Cube is still my favorite for games and the X-Box needs to overcome that whole "4x\'s as powerful" theory before it REALLY hurts them. Still, both consoles needs plenty of improvement before they are worth every cent of your hard earned greens. Think of it as an investment though, it only gets better from here... I hope.
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[color=0033CC] I thought the Xbox controller was very comfortable ryu. I have big hands and I dwarf the ps2 controller. I thought the button layout was very smooth and they didn\'t feel all rough.
And as far as halo goes it has been gettig solid impression everywhere else on the net. I think you are judging it based on the pc version.[/color]
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Ryu = The Man
Lavan = jealous b!tch (even if you found the X-Box a tad disapointing)
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And as far as halo goes it has been gettig solid impression everywhere else on the net. I think you are judging it based on the pc version.
It\'s hard for any FPS game to be exciting for me based solely off of its single player offering. Half-Life was, but that\'s almost in a league of its own. Dues Ex does, but that game also has a lot of RPG elements too which is what makes the game great gameplay wise. However, Halo is a lot like the one-man army type games we have seen time and time again. The vehicles do not make me jump out of my skin and the graphics are great, but I\'m not sold on graphics alone. Multiplayer is a true definition of what a great FPS is if the single player is primarily lots of shooting and Halo just doesn\'t serve what I expected. For that, it\'s not a great FPS like the aforementioned titles.
It has a lot of promise for the PC people, but for X-Box, well, it\'s tough being objective about a game when there are so many better FPS\' out there to choose from that actually have a lot more replay value then Halo simply because of it\'s multiplayer abilities.
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Thanks for the impressions Ryu. Now I\'m not sad that I won\'t be getting a NGC or Xbox this year. I have heard that same impression of the NGC controller from numerous people. It sounds like it could take PS2\'s place as the best controller ever. I don\'t know how well it would work with fighting games though. And how is that Z button? I heard it is the controllers only downfall (other than the giant A button. :) But most people wouldn\'t consider that a downfall.). Again, thanks Ryu.
BTW, PS2 rules!:bounce: All this negetive news about the NGC and Xbox are slowly turning me into a PS2 fanboy. I. MUST. RESIST! Hopefully next year the NGC and Xbox pick up so we can have some good competition. But until then you will have to excuse me nomatter how much I fall in love with Sony. ;)
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Originally posted by Ryu
It\'s hard for any FPS game to be exciting for me based solely off of its single player offering. Half-Life was, but that\'s almost in a league of its own. Dues Ex does, but that game also has a lot of RPG elements too which is what makes the game great gameplay wise. However, Halo is a lot like the one-man army type games we have seen time and time again. The vehicles do not make me jump out of my skin and the graphics are great, but I\'m not sold on graphics alone. Multiplayer is a true definition of what a great FPS is if the single player is primarily lots of shooting and Halo just doesn\'t serve what I expected. For that, it\'s not a great FPS like the aforementioned titles.
It has a lot of promise for the PC people, but for X-Box, well, it\'s tough being objective about a game when there are so many better FPS\' out there to choose from that actually have a lot more replay value then Halo simply because of it\'s multiplayer abilities.
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Yeah fps are not ment to be on a console anyways. I mean 007 had great multi-player, and so did Pd. I can\'t think of any other console fps that really stood out because they usually don\'t. But based on it as being a console fps would you still rate it the same? Because the game has got some great reviews.[/color]
Originally posted by IronFist
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Thanks for the impressions Ryu. Now I\'m not sad that I won\'t be getting a NGC or Xbox this year. I have heard that same impression of the NGC controller from numerous people. It sounds like it could take PS2\'s place as the best controller ever. I don\'t know how well it would work with fighting games though. And how is that Z button? I heard it is the controllers only downfall (other than the giant A button. :) But most people wouldn\'t consider that a downfall.). Again, thanks Ryu.
BTW, PS2 rules!:bounce: All this negetive news about the NGC and Xbox are slowly turning me into a PS2 fanboy. I. MUST. RESIST! Hopefully next year the NGC and Xbox pick up so we can have some good competition. But until then you will have to excuse me nomatter how much I fall in love with Sony. ;)
[color=0033CC]There has not been too much negative xbox news beside some guy claiming the kikose doesn\'t work.[/color]
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Originally posted by QuDDus
There has not been too much negative xbox news beside some guy claiming the kikose doesn\'t work.
And this relates to what I posted how?
Anyways, there has been a lot of Negative stuff on the Xbox. The Machines not working like you said, the underwelming games like Ryu talked about, and the lack of support from Japan. Of course I want an Xbox for DOA3, but I think the PS2 can hold me over until the Xbox gets more than just that.
Oh, and I wanted to make this comment on Ryu\'s original post, but I forgot to do it. Lorne Lanning is a fag (no, I\'m not talking gay, I\'m talking FAG). I hope his game sells no more than 100 copies. He is a whiny baby and a sellout (no offense to Ryu about that sellout part. :D lol) I\'m glad his game doesn\'t look significantly better than it did a year ago on the PS2.
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No console can live up to its own hype, it\'s that simple. People have to learn that good games take time, and that good graphics take an extensive knowledge of a systems architecture, and those are two things that you can\'t expect at a systems launch. Even from the almighty Microsoft.
Very well thought out impressions Ryu, as always.
You make a good point about Luigi\'s Mansion being a side project of Miyamoto\'s. A lot of Fanboys are quick to bash his nearly impecable track record because of this game. But it was clear to me ever since I saw him present the game during Nintendo\'s E3 press conference that he could care less about the title.
However, when you saw him talk about Pikmin, and you saw him demo all of the games features you could clearly hear the exceitement in his voice. This is a game he is passionate about, and I expect it to be the NGC first killer ap.
It\'s kind of sad about Oddworld, I always had high hopes for the game, and would have surely gotten it on PS2. Some developers should just keep their mouths shut, take a hint from the Jappanesse developers, a much more humble breed in my mind. The fact that the game dissapoints graphically is inexcusable. The game was already done for PS2 and they clearly stated that they would spend the extra year of dev time working solely on improving the graphics. Whatever. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by kangu-G^Ltt^s
It\'s kind of sad about Oddworld, I always had high hopes for the game, and would have surely gotten it on PS2. Some developers should just keep their mouths shut, take a hint from the Jappanesse developers, a much more humble breed in my mind. The fact that the game dissapoints graphically is inexcusable. The game was already done for PS2 and they clearly stated that they would spend the extra year of dev time working solely on improving the graphics. Whatever. :rolleyes:
Exactly. I was actually looking forward to this game when it was on the PS2, but now, a whole year later, I could care less. Lanning made a huge mistake by switching over to the Xbox. I\'m not saying the Xbox isn\'t more powerful than the PS2. All I\'m saying is that Lanning couldn\'t handle the power of the Xbox, and didn\'t have enough talent to use the power properly. At least on the PS2 he could blame his average looking game on the "hard to program for" thing. But now that it\'s on the Xbox, he can\'t blame anything but himself.
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wow, great review there Ryu! I must say, I have yet got to see the X-Box for myself, but seing how it is delayed here in Europe I think it will take a while (although I am sure we\'ll have an import just to build up hype). Thanks to that review, I am feeling quite a bit better towards my PS2 aswell.
As for the GameCube controller IronFist; i\'ve held it a few times by now, and somehow, I just don\'t like it all that much. My hands aren\'t too big, so the Dual Shock and GC controller fit pretty perfectly. However, I can\'t seem to get used to the joystick on the top (feels funny, and I can\'t imagin playing Timesplitters or any FPS on that). And the shoulder buttons.. nice trigger style there, but also a bit strange too. I guess it is all about opinion anyway..
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Good review Ryu..
So.. In short.. Im not gonna miss much.. ;)
Oh.. And Jason Rubin was right about Lannings.. :laughing:
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That\'s enough Ryu.
I\'m no longer allowing you to dig deep into my brain and steal my thoughts. I mean it. :)
/ dm /
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Ryu,
Or anybody else, what was your initial impressions of the PS2 when it first came out?
Thanks!
Ace
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So is this a great review/score also or does it suck because it is in conflict with your own desires? Score 9.5 along with quote on the left side "One of the most impressive first-person shooters for consoles I have ever seen".
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/grimace2k2/vwp?.dir=/pic&.dnm=Halo+Review.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Everyone knows Ryu is an Xbox hater, so his impressions are just that, HIS impressions. Four credible sources have said that Halo is the best FPS ever and one (obviously biased) nobody on an internet forum says that he doesn\'t like it. Gee, who am I to believe?
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Everyone knows Ryu is an Xbox hater.......Four credible sources have said that Halo is the best FPS ever and one (obviously biased) nobody on an internet forum says that he doesn\'t like it. Gee, who am I to believe?
:rolleyes:
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Great XBox/GC impressions Ryu,
i did not have a chance yet to actually see any of the new consoles in action live...
hmmmm, IMO, the PS2 had a better lineup of launch games by far, TTT, DOA, SSX, ....
Of course the PS2 had some sh!ty games too, like that street figther BS - :rolleyes:
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amazing isnt it?
seems ryu felt the same way about the gamecube that both datamage and i felt when we saw it last week....
that part about the gamecube resembling a dreamcast, lugis mansion having n64-ish textures, the lighting not coming close to silent hill2, etc etc....i said the same things but i got ripped just cause i dislike nintendo...
well there you have it nintendo fanboys..coming straight from ryu, the one who\'s reviews are respected the most here...
now will you kunts believe me?
i really dont care......much respect to you though, RYU...im glad youre not blind like the rest of the guys here....
i cant wait to see the xbox this weekend so that i can base my own judgement on it too....
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I hated ICO, mainly b/c you had to drag that ho around.
Sony just has the intellectual advantage. Microsoft and Nintendo have the hardware, but their developers just have their brains stuck in 1985. We don\'t want Pac-man anymore. That\'s why you see the best games on PS2.
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Everyone knows Ryu is an Xbox hater, so his impressions are just that, HIS impressions. Four credible sources have said that Halo is the best FPS ever and one (obviously biased) nobody on an internet forum says that he doesn\'t like it. Gee, who am I to believe?
At least he isn\'t bias like your pathetic ass, and frankly, his impressions are damn good, but not good enough for me to skip Xbox and GC. Oh well, November 15th will be here soon, and we shall see how Xbox stacks up, I can\'t wait to get mine.
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Everyone knows Ryu is an Xbox hater, so his impressions are just that, HIS impressions. Four credible sources have said that Halo is the best FPS ever and one (obviously biased) nobody on an internet forum says that he doesn\'t like it. Gee, who am I to believe?
Believe what you want. I actually recommend people play the game themselves. When you are done and you agree or disagree with me, that\'s fine. I promote and love people who have the decency and intelligence to go with their own opinion on just about everything. I only make recommendations based off of experience. I LOVE PC FPS games. I think they are great, but I can\'t love them on consoles. I hated Red Faction for the same reasons why I hate Halo and that\'s primarily controls and the way the game is played despite both games having a decent storyline and structure.
I also stated that the lack of online capabilities is a big nono in my book especially for a game as large as this. I blame MS for that, not Bungie. I think the game will be much better and much more fun as soon as it reaches the PC and goes online for all to play because I love and want 20 person+ games rather then a 4-player romp in my tiny little bedroom. You can believe your "credible" sources, but know this:
I am very enthusiastic about the X-Box. I think some of its games are going to be genre busters and I love the support it is getting from Sega. You can doubt my opinions all you want, but I would not buy the damn machine unless I found that somewhere down the line, it would be a great buy. Nintendo has already shown me why the Cube is worth 200 bucks and all it took was Rogue Leader, Pikmin, and Super Smash Bros. X-Box has shown me reasons to like it, but those reasons are not at launch and they certainly aren\'t within the next 3 months. In my opinion, save money and wait till the X-Box drops in price before laying down a 500 dollar minimum at launch, you\'d be better off sticking with the PS2 and choosing from the best lineup on any console this holiday season.
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Originally posted by Ace
Ryu,
Or anybody else, what was your initial impressions of the PS2 when it first came out?
Thanks!
Ace
First initial impressions? boy, I it was a blast! no honestly, I never had that much of fun playing a console, thanks to SSX, Timesplitters and Tekken. Now that I look back SSX and Tekken are still so much of fun, Timesplitters while not that good as a single player game is still a blast when my friends come over. I consider SSX and Tekken more fun than any Cube game I have played to date (I still play them a lot, ttt and SSX).
BTW: PS2 faced a completely different situation back then in oct/nov 2000. The only competitor was the Dreamcast and I was never disappointed with the graphics of the PS2 launch games. Tekken and SSX looked awesome and just as good as any other DC IMHO - and I knew it would get better. Thinking back at the DC\'s launch games always made me feel better (BlueStinger, LOL).
Maybe everyone is being a bit disappointed of the X-Box, since X-Box fanboys and Microsoft gaves that bull of killing the PS2 at launch and being X-times more powerful.
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Yeah, just curious. I pre-ordered my PS2 and picked it up on the first day. SSX is still one of my favorite games.
I\'ve bought a lot of systems and they never seem to live up to the hype.
I just can\'t help myself when it comes to a new system. Except for maybe the Gamecube.
Ace
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"Thanks for the impressions Ryu. Now I\'m not sad that I won\'t be getting a NGC or Xbox this year"
Just because Ryu says that the Xbox disapoints him, you are not going to get an Xbox or Gamecube, what the hell is that about?
why dont you just be your own person, and judge the consoles yourself, i for one know that i will love the Xbox, the games excite me alot more then my PS2, and no matter what Ryu says i will buy it.
I am sure that there is a game out there that you love and Ryu hates, so if i would you go and check the consoles out yourself.
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Well, I\'m not sure about the PS2 launch actually. People have named TTT, DOA, Timesplitters and SSX as memorable titles.
You can\'t see the bias here?
I\'m not going to get into the TTT gameplay debate (I feel the series has been going downhill since the first 2), but Timesplitters over Halo? I say an emphatic NO.
DOA over DOA3--stop kidding yourself.
SSX was a great title, and from early impressions MS\'s offering isn\'t going to cut it.
The fact remains that the xbox has, at the very least, as good a lineup as Sony did when it launched. I would say better though. Better graphics and sound at the very least. Gameplay...Ryu has his impressions that are in stark contrast to almost every credible source on the web or newstands I\'ll caution. Opinions tend to vary though so I can accept this.
I will reserve judgement though until I actually play the games, but for everyone to breathe a sigh of relief because of Ryu\'s reviews seems like behaviour I thought previously only reserved for lemmings.
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Everyone knows Ryu is an Xbox hater, so his impressions are just that, HIS impressions.
Just because he isn\'t an Xbox fanboy doesn\'t mean he\'s an Xbox hater. Yes, his impressions are just that, HIS impressions. And most people on these forums respect his opinions and find him credible source of information.
Four credible sources have said that Halo is the best FPS ever and one (obviously biased) nobody on an internet forum says that he doesn\'t like it.
He he he, this I have to see. Ok DirectXbox. Give me the links to those FOUR credible sources that say Halo is the best FPS ever. (I\'m trying not to laugh)
Gee, who am I to believe?
If you can give me the links to those four sources, then go ahead an believe them. But if you can\'t, then we\'ll know you are making things up to try and make Halo and the Xbox look superior.
Ethan_Hunt, you misread my post. I said, "Now I\'m not sad that I won\'t be getting a NGC or Xbox this year." Not "Now I\'m not getting and Xbox or NGC this year." I was never planning on getting either this year because of all the PS2 has to offer. I really don\'t see a need to get a NGC or Xbox this year.
Watchdog, yes, the Xbox launch lineup is just as good, if not better than the PS2 launch lineup was last year (keywords: last year). But is that enough for people who already own a PS2 to go buy an Xbox? I don\'t think so. Why bother getting another console when the PS2 has so many great games coming out at the same time? But that\'s just my opinion.
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hmm............sounds like neither system is that much of a jump over ps2. I played xbox as well, but I really waiting to play halo, doa3, and project gothem. I think xbox is going to be a great system in the long run.:thepimp: :thepimp:
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Originally posted by Ethan_Hunt
"Thanks for the impressions Ryu. Now I\'m not sad that I won\'t be getting a NGC or Xbox this year"
Just because Ryu says that the Xbox disapoints him, you are not going to get an Xbox or Gamecube, what the hell is that about?
why dont you just be your own person, and judge the consoles yourself, i for one know that i will love the Xbox, the games excite me alot more then my PS2, and no matter what Ryu says i will buy it.
I am sure that there is a game out there that you love and Ryu hates, so if i would you go and check the consoles out yourself.
[color=0033CC] I think if you where thinking of getting an xbox you still should. I mean Ryu reviewed only two games and the only one he really said was a downer was munch. I mean from halo he really does not see the game as a console fps but as a pc fps. Most fps feel the same as ryu. But halo has been getting good impression everywhere on the net for being a great console fps. So It should be great.
And you still have games like New Legends,Gunvalrykie,DOA3,Amped,PG,shrek,and Fever. Azurkik is still up in the air for me I have not heard anything about it lately. I hope it has improved.[/color]
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Ethan_Hunt,
I pre-ordered an XBox a while ago. The Gamecube will take a while to give me a reason to buy. I bought the N64 when it first came out and didn\'t use it much. I will reserve judgment and see what comes out for the Gamecube.
I think there is a lot of people on this board who would like to see every other game system that comes out fail. I don\'t know why. I swear some of you have stock in Sony. ;)
If there is no one putting the pressure on Sony, what do you think the PS3 will be like?
OK, I\'m rambling . Off to have a few beers.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
Ethan_Hunt,
I pre-ordered an XBox a while ago. The Gamecube will take a while to give me a reason to buy. I bought the N64 when it first came out and didn\'t use it much. I will reserve judgment and see what comes out for the Gamecube.
I think there is a lot of people on this board who would like to see every other game system that comes out fail. I don\'t know why. I swear some of you have stock in Sony. ;)
If there is no one putting the pressure on Sony, what do you think the PS3 will be like?
OK, I\'m rambling . Off to have a few beers.
Ace
[color=0033CC]I know a lot ppl seem to forget the ps2 launch. They think those crappy games never came out. I love my ps2, but I also like xbox. And the fact that it is an american console and it graphically leaves ps2 behind makes me hug the american flag:p[/COLOR]
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My impressions of the PS2 lanch didn\'t differ much from my impressions of the X-Box and GCN. What pisses me off about the X-Box and GCN is that they have an oppurtunity to take all the extra time they had to make better games then Sony and they didn\'t. We all know the Sony launch was a rush job beyond belief, but we can\'t say the same thing for the Cube or the X-Box. Why, if all this extra dev time was taken, couldn\'t they beat the Sony lineup? That\'s my main point here. Each system has and had about 1-2 games worth owning and those were SSX, TTT, DOA3, and PGR. Other than that, the rest of the titles just weren\'t my taste or they just plain sucked.
If a company has a whole extra year to make better games, then they should. The graphics in Munch are unexcusable. If Tecmo can take a year or two and produce a game as graphically impressive as DOA3, then I question why Oddworld couldn\'t take thier extra year and develop a game that takes advantage of the X-Box hardware. This game looks no different then what we all saw a year ago running on PS2 hardware and that\'s sad especially when Oddworld Inhabitants dumped the PS2 for "better hardware."
Systems improve over time and the only system this generation that jumped out of the gate with great software from the very beginning was the Dreamcast. My Dreamcast impressions fared better then all other impressions I have given to date. Sould Calibur was amazing as was NFL2K and Sonic Adventure was very fast and great. It\'s sad that that system was also the only one to fail beyond belief.
Of course, these are just my opinions though. It\'s funny how DirectXbox writes off my opinion soleley because it bashes the X-Box. I bashed the Cube as well and I bashed the PS2 launch just now. Maybe I\'m just too damn jaded to give any opinions, but so far, the more legit "gamers" here are agreeing with me so you can take what you will from that. Maybe we are ALL just biased gamers when we speak our minds.
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I think you are being a little harsh, Ryu. The devs didn\'t have an extra year as you put it. In reality devs had about 6 months to work with final hardware. I think what they\'ve done is pretty impressive.
What I know is that graphics and sounds are better than anything I have for my PS2. I still tend to believe, from previews/reviews from NextGen, GI, and IGN that Halo will be the definitive shooter for a console. DOA3 will be great. Munch will dissappoint. Not that I don\'t respect your impressions, but there has been nothing but praise for these two titles (epspecially) during a time when it is VERY easy to criticize the xbox by sources I have come to trust (not any individually, but as a unit).
I do agree, Ryu, that a console FPS will never be what a PC FPS is--that is a given. But instead of looking at it so obtusely, treat them for what they are, two different approaches to a genre. I don\'t think anyone can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments. There is something to be said about having your adversary in the same room. I too like the big games, but they aren\'t as rosy as you make them out to be. Lag, spammers, sore sports, unbalanced teams, complete a--holes all sour the online experience for me. Not that I still don\'t enjoy playing, but there is something that is pure fun about 4 way split screen. Let\'s not forget too, that many if not the majority of console players have never really played a decent FPS on the PC.
Also, the VAST minority of players ever go online in search of opponents. Most people like the SP experience. That is something that was no doubt discussed by Bungie--they could take the time and make it online (and risk a lack of online players) and apathy from their larger user base or wait until Halo 2 when a sizeable userbase might be able to support this.
Also, you say that we\'ve seen vehicles in tribes and T2--neither game really implemented them into their games well and neither was in the mass market or public eye. This is the first chance that vehicles have been introduced into a tiight and balanced arena.
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I must say, as I continue to wait with anticipation for Gamecube, your [Ryu\'s] comments on Wave Race hurt just a little bit. Of course with its prequel still one of my favorite games, despite having been dismissed by (some) others as a piece of ****, I know that I\'m still set up for some enjoyment.
The fact that you were looking for three hours of non-stop rolling-a-ball-on-the-floor is kind of silly. It\'s an arcade game and I very much look forward to playing it during my mornings before school or work.
Your sentiment on Luigi\'s Mansion strikes home a bit more, though. It\'s probably my least anticipated of the five launch titles I\'m picking up. It does seem repetitive but being so short it shouldn\'t really matter. We\'ll see, I still hope to enjoy it, and in fact am sure that I will. Just... for how long?
Anyway, as a vocal supporter of Superman 64, I know that no one else\'s opinion can show me how I will feel about any given game before hand.
I have to use my own judgment. And so far it tells me that Gamecube will be worth the cash.
Finally, as I read over this typical lestat post...
Originally posted by lestat
well there you have it nintendo fanboys.
now will you kunts believe me?
i really dont care.. RYU...im glad youre not blind like the rest of the guys here....
...I wonder when the mods will get back from their vacation.
-Eik
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Originally posted by lestat
amazing isnt it?
seems ryu felt the same way about the gamecube that both datamage and i felt when we saw it last week....
well there you have it nintendo fanboys..coming straight from ryu, the one who\'s reviews are respected the most here...
now will you kunts believe me?
No one in that thread stated other-wise(regarding Luigi\'s Mansion and Wave Race only I presume). People just went off on you because you were being a major fanboy in there.
Oh, and it\'s spelled "****s". EDIT-you see, that\'s why it\'s edited out. C-unt.
Here\'s the bottom line for anyone who still cares about gameplay in games(me and 5 other people at these forums).
Originally Posted by Ryu
Nintendo has already shown me why the Cube is worth 200 bucks and all it took was Rogue Leader, Pikmin, and Super Smash Bros.
I don\'t think anyone can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments.
That\'s a nice opinion you got there. How many units did that game sell again? Over 7 million wasn\'t it? I\'ll leave it at that.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
I think you are being a little harsh, Ryu. The devs didn\'t have an extra year as you put it. In reality devs had about 6 months to work with final hardware. I think what they\'ve done is pretty impressive.
But like Ryu said, DOA3 is the best looking fighter ever. Why couldn\'t games like Munch use the graphical power of the Xbox too? Lazy (or reletively stupid) developers is all I can think of.
Eiksirf,
...I wonder when the mods will get back from their vacation.
I\'ve been asking the same question for days. :) Maybe they just don\'t come to the Console Debating forum anymore.
Goku, thanks for the spelling lesson, but you are making a big deal out of nothing.
Here\'s the bottom line for anyone who still cares about gameplay in games(me and 5 other people at these forums).
Nintendo has already shown me why the Cube is worth 200 bucks and all it took was Rogue Leader, Pikmin, and Super Smash Bros.
By this you are implying that only Nintendo knows about gameplay. (or, only games on the NGC have good gameplay). So you are saying that DMC doesn\'t have good gameplay? Or GT3, or MGS2, or THPS3? Dang, I wish I was one of those 5 other people who still cares about gameplay, but I, as well as the hundreds of other people on these forums, am stuck with this crappy PS2 and its crappy gameplay-less games. :rolleyes: Come on Goku, don\'t act like a fanboy.
Here\'s the bottom line, the NGC has some great games, and it has some crappy games -- just like all other consoles.:eek:
Watchdog: I don\'t think anyone can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments.
Goku: That\'s a nice opinion you got there. How many units did that game sell again? Over 7 million wasn\'t it? I\'ll leave it at that.
Umm, Goku? Are you sure you read that right? Maybe you should look over what Watchdog said again. He was saying it was a great game.
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Everyone knows Ryu is an Xbox hater, so his impressions are just that, HIS impressions. Four credible sources have said that Halo is the best FPS ever and one (obviously biased) nobody on an internet forum says that he doesn\'t like it. Gee, who am I to believe?
Ok, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just because he doesnt like it and other people do doesnt make him wrong, I would expect a post like this from you though, I got an idea, how about we wait and play the game ourselves so that we can all form our own opinion, but I do seriously doubt this is the best FPS ever
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It\'s not fair to say why doesn\'t Munch look like DOA3 and it\'s a stupid comment at that. I could ask the same question: Why doesn\'t Double Dragon 4 (the 2d fighter) play as well as SF2? Why doesn\'t [insert uninspired platformer here] play like Mario?
Different developers have different skills and different goals. It just sounded like sour grapes to me (eg pissed that Lanning left for xbox). It also is only fair to note that porting a project from one system to another is incredibly difficult especially if you keep the same time frame. I could list dozens of titles that have either suffered tremendously or have been endlessly delayed and even after a delay the end product still shows the effects.
It\'s comments like that that make me take his review with a grain of salt and a wait and see attitude. He may well be right, but for now I\'ll lean towards NextGen, IGN and the host of others that have done nothing but gush about DOA3 and Halo. Like I said, Ryu may be right and all this we\'ve been reading about has been hype, but I for one can wait a couple more weeks to decide whether to burry or buy the xbox.
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Originally posted by Goku
Oh, and it\'s spelled "****s". EDIT-you see, that\'s why it\'s edited out. C-unt.
i know how to spell it jack-ass...i spelled like that so that it wouldnt get edited...just like i spell fu(cking with a \' ( \' instead of a \'c\' so winners like you could understand it and not have to try and decipher \'*******\'
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By this you are implying that only Nintendo knows about gameplay. (or, only games on the NGC have good gameplay). So you are saying that DMC doesn\'t have good gameplay? Or GT3, or MGS2, or THPS3? Dang, I wish I was one of those 5 other people who still cares about gameplay, but I, as well as the hundreds of other people on these forums, am stuck with this crappy PS2 and its crappy gameplay-less games. Come on Goku, don\'t act like a fanboy.
Wow, way to bull-doze words into my mouth.
I\'m implying that gameplay MATTERS THE MOST. Atleast that\'s why I thought I was implying...And if you cared about gameplay, then this is the bottom line that he was trying to make(I think, can\'t read minds so could be wrong_). I think I worded it wrong. I never said Nintendo is better at gameplay than everyone else and if I did then I don\'t mean it that way. I was just saying, gameplay ownz. I\'m saying it now and that\'s what counts. :p
My god time flies when your engaged in this place...
Umm, Goku? Are you sure you read that right? Maybe you should look over what Watchdog said again. He was saying it was a great game.
No, he said.
I don\'t think anyone can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments.
In different words...
No one can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments( which means it didn\'t have any... )
I think that makes it more clear. Even if I\'m wrong, he still made it confusing.
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Originally posted by lestat
i know how to spell it jack-ass...i spelled like that so that it wouldnt get edited...just like i spell fu(cking with a \' ( \' instead of a \'c\' so winners like you could understand it and not have to try and decipher \'*******\'
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Why do you always attack one part of my post every time?
Is it too hard for you to use the quotes proper or what?
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Originally posted by Goku
Why do you always attack one part of my post every time?
Is it too hard for you to use the quotes proper or what?
no you fukk, i just told you...i dont sit here and quote every single line of bullsh!t text like you like to do....and then you wonder why time flies while youre engaged here...
no crap it flies...for the past 2 night, this has been my stress reliever..i just come here to argue with your dumbass and the rest of the nintendo fanboys..and anyone else who fights with me....
i cant beLIEve its almost midnight..damnit...and i wanted to play silent hill 2...well im gone for the night...unless you can piss me off in your next reply, ill save the hate for another night. :yawn:
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Well, pulling a lestat, I\'ll only concentrate on one part of his post.
and then you wonder why time flies while youre engaged here...
Where the **** did I say that? Why are you so dumb?
READING COMPREHENSION. LEARN IT.
I never said "I wonder why time flies by blah blah blah", I said "My god time flies when your engaged in this place... ". I wasn\'t wondering about anything. Stop pulling **** from your ass.
I\'m not fighting with you, I\'m murdering you. That\'s why your not responding to my main arguments. Instead of debating me, you start with this "your a fanboy crap" which I am tired from proving wrong in every god damn thread.
*yawns*
Your boring me now. Actually debating with you was more fun. I think I\'m getting tired of these flame wars that you always suck me into.
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Ryu\'s going to get mad at me so I promise *this* is my last post in this thread.
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Originally posted by Goku
I never said "I wonder why time flies by blah blah blah", I said "My god time flies when your engaged in this place... ". I wasn\'t wondering about anything. Stop pulling **** from your ass.
gosh your pathetic...i cant believe you quoted me on that one..thats how lost you are when you argue with me..
you know what?...im not even gonna waste my time...the audience must really be laughing by now at your last entry and at you.
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Actually Ryu, on the contrary, I believe that both systems are being rushed, since they are racing eachother. PS2 was racing a struggling DC. They just wanted the extra $$$ from Christmas shoppers, just like Nintendo and MS are now, it is no different, except thry ARE very much racing the clock and eachother.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Actually Ryu, on the contrary, I believe that both systems are being rushed, since they are racing eachother. PS2 was racing a struggling DC. They just wanted the extra $$$ from Christmas shoppers, just like Nintendo and MS are now, it is no different, except thry ARE very much racing the clock and eachother.
Eric Jacob
i agree about the rush...i think they both wanted to have their consoles out before x-mas to bring in more $$$, but were in for a battle when both consoles\' release dates were so close...and ended up not only racing with the holiday clock, but with each other.
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Originally posted by Goku
Why are you so dumb?
READING COMPREHENSION. LEARN IT.
I\'m sure everyone is as tired as I am of you insulting people like this, you say you got banned for no reason, yet you do stuff like this, learn some manners and start treating people with respect
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I don\'t get mad at people in forums. It\'s all about credibility and you haven\'t posted here enough to gain any huge amounts. Don\'t worry though, as far as flame wars go, I\'ve been in them same as the rest of us.
Different developers have different skills and different goals. It just sounded like sour grapes to me (eg pissed that Lanning left for xbox). It also is only fair to note that porting a project from one system to another is incredibly difficult especially if you keep the same time frame. I could list dozens of titles that have either suffered tremendously or have been endlessly delayed and even after a delay the end product still shows the effects.
Oh hello, last I checked, Munch was to be a Playstation 2 launch game and only when the tough got going did they decide to ditch the system and go for the big green X followed by the big green dollar sign. Now, the game is the same as it was on the PS2 DESPITE all the hype surrounding the title talking about how much more graphically impressive the X-Box is then the PS2 and how it\'s so developer friendly. Now, the game is releasing and we\'re finally seeing that Lorne Lanning does NOT have the ability to put his MS money where his mouth is. I could care less about it appearing on another console, I just wanted a good game. Instead, we got crap and that makes me sad. If this crud was released on the PS2, I would bash it all the same. I don\'t pick favorites in a console war, I pick games, plain and simple.
As for IGN\'s impressions of DOA3, they said the graphics are great, the control was good, meaning responsive, and the physics were great as well. I commented on all those things, except the controls and IGN and I agree with all those impressions. They never commented on the other fighters nor did they say how the gameplay was so great. They merely said that moving up and down is done with a double tap on the d-pad rather than switching to the analog stick. Anthony is absolutely right about that, but where\'s the gameplay difference from DOA2? New moves are almost expected with a "sequel" as are new characters. At least Capcom VS SNK 2 implements an all new groove\\super system WITH new graphics and NEW characters.
Link: http://xbox.ign.com/news/38337.html (9-14-01)
IGN drools over graphics in almost ALL of their previews, but that\'s what most previews are expected to do. We can all remember the Bouncer right? Or ZOE? Or Luigi\'s Mansion? Or so many other games that were hyped up and spiraled straight to hell. Now we can remember Munch and DOA3 for trying to be gameplay marvels and coming up terribly short, or at least I will be, who knows what you all will think. Still, my opinion stands.
The problem with Dead or Alive at the show? Everyone\'s so busy trying to show off their moves with their favorite characters that no one\'s given a second look to the new fighters in the game, save for Christie, who seems to get some play -- mostly due to the cool white hair. It\'s a good way to see the game in motion, however, as any possible window to be broken and edge to fall off of is being tested in the short time limit fans have to play the game.
Show off their moves with their favorite characters? You mean this game play so much like DOA2 in its nearly complete form that it retains the same combos as before that still work on all gamers? Hmm... and in that article, IGN gushes all over the new levels... I already said the graphics are great, my problem was with how the game played.
Link: http://xbox.ign.com/news/39110.html
That was from TGS by the way. Still doubt what I have said? Grain of salt you say? It\'s cool. No love lost between us man, I encourage you to wait and see like I do with everyone though.
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Lestat, both you and Goku are pathetic, but at least he was the bigger man and walked away first (unless he posts something while I\'m typing this. DON\'T DO IT GOKU!)
Goku,
Wow, way to bull-doze words into my mouth.
I\'m implying that gameplay MATTERS THE MOST. Atleast that\'s why I thought I was implying...And if you cared about gameplay, then this is the bottom line that he was trying to make(I think, can\'t read minds so could be wrong_). I think I worded it wrong. I never said Nintendo is better at gameplay than everyone else and if I did then I don\'t mean it that way. I was just saying, gameplay ownz. I\'m saying it now and that\'s what counts.
I was just saying what you were implying (or what it sounded like you were implying). The part where you said, "Here\'s the bottom line for anyone who still cares about gameplay in games(me and 5 other people at these forums)" is what made you sound like a fanboy. If you think that the only reason hundreds of PS2 fans at these forums play the PS2 is because we love Sony so much, you are only fooling yourself. Even the people who post Xbox pictures saying they blow away anything on the PS2 like good gameplay. Gameplay is why all of us play video games.
No, he said.
I don\'t think anyone can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments.
In different words...
No one can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments( which means it didn\'t have any... )
What he was saying that not even he could deny that GE offered some of the best gaming moments. No one can.
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Actually Ryu, on the contrary, I believe that both systems are being rushed, since they are racing eachother. PS2 was racing a struggling DC. They just wanted the extra $$$ from Christmas shoppers, just like Nintendo and MS are now, it is no different, except thry ARE very much racing the clock and eachother.
I forget, but didn\'t MS or some developers for MS claim it only took like a week to port their stuff from old dev kit to the new dev kit and another week to implement the new graphical touches to show that the system was so easy to program for? Or was that the Cube? You know much more about the X-Box then I do dev wise.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Lestat, both you and Goku are pathetic, but at least he was the bigger man and walked away first (unless he posts something while I\'m typing this. DON\'T DO IT GOKU!)
why?..because he got sleepy before i did?
if you know jumpman, he\'ll be back tomorrow and continue this in another thread...
btw, i dont care about being the bigger man....the one who walks away may be the bigger man, but he\'s also the p-ssy.
and i dont walk away from a fight.
"i want you to hit me as hard as you can"
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Yes, I meant that you can\'t argue against the virtues of GE. It\'s a poorly worded sentence, my apologies.
All I said is that it sounds like you have sour grapes over his departure and what he said about the system. Good game, bad game, it makes no difference, that isn\'t the issue here. Every company has made bad games, bashing one man on a dev team is a little too focussed to be fair. Sour grapes.
As for the IGN, I\'m sure they said somewhere, something about it redifining or the best or something. I\'m too lazy to find it and it is moot anyway because they love the game and so does almost everyone that\'s played it. Even if they didn\'t say anything remotely resembling that, there are MANY other places that do.
Yes they drool over graphics; that\'s all anyone can do before the game is released.
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"(IGN)The problem with Dead or Alive at the show? Everyone\'s so busy trying to show off their moves with their favorite characters that no one\'s given a second look to the new fighters in the game, save for Christie, who seems to get some play -- mostly due to the cool white hair. It\'s a good way to see the game in motion, however, as any possible window to be broken and edge to fall off of is being tested in the short time limit fans have to play the game.(/IGN)
Show off their moves with their favorite characters? You mean this game play so much like DOA2 in its nearly complete form that it retains the same combos as before that still work on all gamers? Hmm... and in that article, IGN gushes all over the new levels... I already said the graphics are great, my problem was with how the game played.
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Hm, and you\'re telling me you can\'t show off an old combo or two in TTT? SF? C\'mon, like I said you are being unfair and that\'s why I question your opinion. And that quote says moves, not combos anyway.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Hm, and you\'re telling me you can\'t show off an old combo or two in TTT? SF? C\'mon, like I said you are being unfair and that\'s why I question your opinion. And that quote says moves, not combos anyway.
But like Ryu said in his DOA3 thread, DOA3 is not a big enough change to be considered the "next game" in the series. TTT was just a intermission in the Tekken series between T3 and T4. It was made only to make the fans happy, not to be bran new.
It took Street Fighter years and years to advance onto the next number. There were probably more than 10 different versions of SF2, that were all a tiny bit different. But when they switched over to SF3, it was a whole new game.
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Ironfist nailed it on the head. I\'d add more, but why?
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But that makes the game bad? I liked all of the SFs. Without those little improvements the SF series would never be where it is right now.
I\'ve never seen a bad review of a SF game (2d), and for good reason. TTT got great reviews. WHo the hell cares what it is called?
DOA is a good base to start from. There were some serious issues with the first two installments, but they were still fun. DOA3 is creeping its way up and by most accounts it is a serious contender in the 3D fighter market crown.
I know, without a doubt, that the graphics and sound are competely unsurpassed anywhere. Gameplay is the only thing in question and it is the biggest concern obviously, but from most accounts it seems pretty solid.
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Like any fighter, there are people who love it and hate it for what it brings to the table. To date, every preview of it has lavashed on DOA3 for one thing: Graphics. Now why has gameplay been completely ignored? Great graphics do not make a great game for me. It takes great gameplay to do that and DOA3 does not offer that to me. When I already think DOA2 was pretty trite, just how much credit can I give DOA3 when it\'s the same thing? End of story.
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Don\'t force me to dig up an IGN preview because I\'m almost sure they said the gameplay was amazing. Like I said, I\'m too lazy to hunt for it. However, I know for a fact that NextGen said that DOA3, at 60% complete is better than Tekken or VF4. And they also gushed about graphics.
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Go ahead and find your preview, but the impressions that I quoted are from the LATEST articles posted on IGN from nearly complete builds of the game. Besides that, I\'ve played the damn thing, you haven\'t. I can\'t believe you\'re arguing with my opinion of the game using someone elses opinions that concur mostly with my own. The only difference is, they think the graphics are more then enough, I don\'t.
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Wasn\'t it a member of Team Ninja that harshly criticized Tekken 4? Very unprofessional of them.
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Oh, just got home from vacation. ;)
Play nice kiddies. Stop flaming and debate properly like most people fortunatly do.
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Is Goku really Jumpman? I don\'t think so........he writes in a completely different style (more mild and in a more matter-of-fact way, with not so much annoying quoting and other shyit-tty insults)
Anyway, I am also dissappointed with the GameCube....crappy sales, and boring lauch games.....also, only 3 boring launcg games.....not good.
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Originally posted by CS2x
Is Goku really Jumpman? I don\'t think so........he writes in a completely different style (more mild and in a more matter-of-fact way, with not so much annoying quoting and other shyit-tty insults)
i take it your being sarcastic...
if you have any doubt that goku is jumpman, then you obviously didn\'t know jumpman OR have missed out on our flame wars from a few nights ago.
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Originally posted by lestat
i take it your being sarcastic...
if you have any doubt that goku is jumpman, then you obviously didn\'t know jumpman OR have missed out on our flame wars from a few nights ago.
Yes, I read your flame wars, and replied on your side, but it was too late. And yes, I kow Jumpman.......he\'s a little sh1t face who did REALLY annoying Nintendo-fanboy posts and replies. He also so quoted unimportant things in posts and wrote sarcastic replies to them, ect.
I just don\'t think Goku writes much like Jumpman at all. Someone can be annoying without being like Jumpman, ya know. And, Goku denies being Jumpman..........
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I\'m not questioning your opinion. I said you were entitled to it. I\'m just taking it for what it is: yours. And every preview hasn\'t only gushed about the graphics, GI and NextGen love the game and the graphics. I\'ve said this now for the thrid time.
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Originally posted by CS2x
And, Goku denies being Jumpman..........
nah man...he doesnt deny it...he is jumpman..its been confirmed in other threads already ...:clown:
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Originally posted by CS2x
Is Goku really Jumpman? I don\'t think so........he writes in a completely different style (more mild and in a more matter-of-fact way, with not so much annoying quoting and other shyit-tty insults)
Anyway, I am also dissappointed with the GameCube....crappy sales, and boring lauch games.....also, only 3 boring launcg games.....not good.
Well there both annoying I know that for a fact.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Hm, IGN\'s impressions are in stark contrast to yours. Yes they gushed about graphics..and about everything else in the games too. Not that this invalidates your opinions, but just like I said your opinion seems to be in the vast minority.
IGN on DOA3:
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he talks trash about Tekken and boasts his game as the best 3D fighting game. And after spending a few sleepless nights with our version of Dead Or Alive 3, I\'m inclined to agree with Mr. Itagaki that DOA3 is by far the most entertaining fighting game I\'ve played and one that comes with a good number of play options.
As I stated before in previous write-ups, the control in DOA3 is so responsive, it\'s almost as if the game is reading your thoughts
DOA3 is one of the most responsive 3D fighting games I\'ve played.
We\'ll be back with more preview updates on what\'s looking to be the best 3D fighting game ever.
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IGN on HALO:
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Halo will instantly make a legitimate claim as one of the best console first person shooters ever when it launches the Xbox on November 15. There\'s plenty of shooting from a first person perspective, but Halo\'s advantage is in how well it does everything else. The folks at Bungie have done an extraordinary job adding enough adventure, exploration and storytelling to the game that it truly represents how first person combat has evolved.
When all is said and done, the control scheme for the Marine Jeep, aka The Warthog, and really all of the vehicles in Halo, will go down as one of the most clever innovations in videogames.
The whole jeep/passenger system is actually just an example of Halo\'s overall brilliance that we\'ll get to in a later round of impressions.
But it\'s the vibrancy, attention to detail and inherent logic in the world of Halo that makes this game so engrossing. You can take over the different jeep positions, tell guys to get out of their seats and drive them around in this videogame because in real life you would be able to do the same thing. Bungie, the Xbox and Halo have broken down so many of the limitations that videogames have traditionally had up until now.
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Originally posted by IronFist
But like Ryu said in his DOA3 thread, DOA3 is not a big enough change to be considered the "next game" in the series. TTT was just a intermission in the Tekken series between T3 and T4. It was made only to make the fans happy, not to be bran new.
It took Street Fighter years and years to advance onto the next number. There were probably more than 10 different versions of SF2, that were all a tiny bit different. But when they switched over to SF3, it was a whole new game.
T2,T3,TTT All the same game to me ironfist. If you are gonna say doa3 has not changed then admit to tekken being the same for 3 strait games in the series.
I\'ll save my judgement on doa3 when I play it but no doubt ryu has pointed doa3 out for being cheesy as it always is.
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It is pretty much confirmed fact, there are no real significant gameplay differences between DOA2 and DOA3. It is a graphical upgrade and reinterpretation of 2, and as such, should not be called number 3. That is misleading. The numbered Tekken names each evolved the series from its predecessor. Granted, TTT was a less significant change, and consequently was not called 4. And yet, the gap separating the differences between DOA2 - DOA3 and Tekken 3 - TTT is vast.
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Originally posted by mejilan
It is pretty much confirmed fact, there are no real significant gameplay differences between DOA2 and DOA3. It is a graphical upgrade and reinterpretation of 2, and as such, should not be called number 3. That is misleading. The numbered Tekken names each evolved the series from its predecessor. Granted, TTT was a less significant change, and consequently was not called 4. And yet, the gap separating the differences between DOA2 - DOA3 and Tekken 3 - TTT is vast.
Hmmmmmmmmmm..........good point. Very good point, plus the doa3 producers was talking all that trash about tekken 4 and vf 4.
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It is very questionable that they are putting all of their resources into prettifying DOA, instead of reinventing it as a sequel (and self advertised Killer App) title warrants! And the fact that they have already begun trash talking their much more successful competitors... *shakes head* Very unprofessional.
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Originally posted by mejilan
It is very questionable that they are putting all of their resources into prettifying DOA, instead of reinventing it as a sequel (and self advertised Killer App) title warrants! And the fact that they have already begun trash talking their much more successful competitors... *shakes head* Very unprofessional.
I can\'t argue with that both vf and tekken series had a lot more success than the doa series. I still think doa3 will be awesome!!!! AAA quaitly title imo, yes he may be unprofessional, but he sure knows how to use a system graphically abiititlies.
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How much different is VF1 from VF4? Very little. Same for Tekken, but not quite as extreme. And besides who cares really what it is called? If it is fun, then huray!, we have a fun game to play.
It is my opinion, that DOA2 was a few tweeks away (less power here, faster there, slower here, etc) from being great. If they did everything right DOA3 will be great, if they don\'t then it might not be great, but I\'ll wager it\'ll still be fun and it\'ll still sell systems.
And again from accredited sources, DOA3 backs up any trash that was talked.
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I know people seem to have a problem since doa3 play like doa2? Like I said I consider that a good thing. Yes doa3 will be an amazing game.
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Originally posted by rastalant
I know people seem to have a problem since doa3 play like doa2? Like I said I consider that a good thing. Yes doa3 will be an amazing game.
I\'m wondering if everyone else played the same DOA2 as I did, IMO it was a ****ty game compared to all the other fighters
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Originally posted by Watchdog
It is my opinion, that DOA2 was a few tweeks away (less power here, faster there, slower here, etc) from being great. If they did everything right DOA3 will be great, if they don\'t then it might not be great, but I\'ll wager it\'ll still be fun and it\'ll still sell systems.
It was more than a few tweaks away from perfect. The whole control sheme needs to be rewokred, imo.