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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Tshirts on October 20, 2001, 02:47:38 AM
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I\'ll cut right to the chase....
Pass on it.
I\'ll state the general reasons without going into too much detail:
1. It\'s short.
2. Repetitious.
3. A rehash.
The main problem I have with the game is the exploration aspect. Here we are in our 3rd generation of 3D gaming and *yet* Capcom has not advance to the acceptable next generation standard set by Mario 64. The environments are comprise of a straight forward corridor. It *feels* 2D. Back then, the reason why programmers were restricted to such a diminutive environment was due to pre-rendered background. It was understandable because of the limitations of the PSX hardware. Now we are in the next generation. Why are we *still* restricted to *fake* exploration? You walk into a room, press the button as quickly as possible at every corner until you find something, walk to a door, press a button, run straight until you get to the next room, and repeat. See how repetitious it can get?
I won\'t even get into the hack-n-slash style of gameplay that feels way too similar to the mindless, button mashing scheme of games like Final Fight and Onimusha. It involves no strategy or precision. It is mindless repetition.
What is surprising to me though, is.....
Despite the obvious truth, this game still got unwarranted accolades and strong appraisal from the Sony crowd and various websites.
I have no doubt in my mind it is a propagandish-trend.......
The various websites and magazines are commercialized to the point where they "cater" to the Sony crowd. Meaning, in order to draw these mindless fanboys to their sites and monthly subscription, they would cite outlandish praise for a popular game that doesn\'t warrant such. Those that "speak the truth"(Gamefan) won\'t last long. Notice how commercialize magazines always have the most coverage for the most "in demand" system. It is all a money issue. The review you are reading are not "true" critiques because Sony games will get the benefit of a "double standard". With more subscribers and money, comes more hit. It is a business cognition: "cater to the consumers and reap the rewards".
These so call professional critics are influence by money. It is obvious they have other determining factors other than their own sake of gaming.
Noone dares to criticize a *big* Sony game...
If they do, the fanbase will dwindle dramatically and those fanboys will shift to another magazine that caters to them...
In order for these magazines to "stay in the biz"....they have to hire "Sony fanboys" or conciliate with what the consumers want. The creative process gets taken out and what we are getting is a bunch of sites and magazines that appeases the consumers rather than the other way around. The magazines that covers a broad range of systems will have to render more coverage for the most popular system in order to create the most money....
With green comes commercialism.....with commercialism out goes creative thought process.....
Meaning....in order to write your own opinion and articulate your own thoughts you need creative freedom. This whole commercialism takes this thought process out of a game review. So in the end, the writer will not be able to state his real intended opinion on paper. Consumers rely on game reviewers for the most "professional" source, but the paradox is ......the "professionals" are relying on them to write their review.
You can\'t blame it all on the reviewers....
Game consumers consists of a bunch of asinine kids who refuse to intake anything negative....
They are too arrogant to have an optimistic outlook......and everyone of them is fixated in their own lil world.
Why do you think the most popular mags are the ones that strictly caters(PSM) to one console?
It turns into a cycle.....
Almost propagandish to the way Hitler controlled his regimen.....
These magazines, in order to appease the fans, says a "crap" game is great. The fanboys program it in their head through their conscious brain that relays it into their subconscious brain, and as "crappy" as the game is, it is still "good" just because they have psychologically program their thinking that way....
So....
They *think* FF9 is "the greatest RPG ever made".....
They *think* Tekken is "the greatest 3D fighter ever made".....
It is a *mass* persuasion.....
It is *good* just because everyone says it is good....
Out goes creative personal endeavor, and in goes mindless, recited propaganda....
These kids will develope an incompetence to think for themselves and will have a reliance on others to depict how they should think and live their lives.
Noone ever relies on their own personal reasonings for preference anymore....everyone seems like a bunch of mindless zombies.
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:rolleyes:
Like we would trust you Mr. T :eyemouth:
(oh, and I only read the first line of text.. LMAO.. That says what type of a guy you are. )
Ill wait for my own impresions.. :bounce::laughing:
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where did the Devil May Cry review go? Honestly, I open this thread and all I get is a short info on what isn\'t good about DMC and the rest on how big gaming sites influence innocent gamers into buying bad (bad big) products. What happened?
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hahaha lol, you call that a review. You only bash magasines and ps2 in general. Oh please hand me the troll gun..geez grow up:laughing:
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:laughing: lmao :laughing:
I only had to glimpse through your thread to see the bull$h!t spewing out of your mouth. (into the keyboard that is)
My my, you only happen to post here to bash a new and expected PS2 game. Get a life. Or get a clue. No one here cares what your biased self thinks. Thank you and have a nice day.
/ dm /
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Originally posted by Tshirts
I won\'t even get into the hack-n-slash style of gameplay that feels way too similar to the mindless, button mashing scheme of games like Final Fight and Onimusha. It involves no strategy or precision. It is mindless repetition.
Why not go into the gameplay? Isn\'t that what a review is about. I disagree about how it requires no strategy or precision, were you playing on EASY-AUTO mode? If so, play on regular, I\'m sure you\'ll find the game much more challenging and rewarding.
As for your other comments, I agree that major sites do lick Sony\'s balls, but it\'s not just Sony - when was the last time you heard of an EA Sports game being lambasted? These sites cater to every company, hell just read IGN DC\'s review of WSB 2k1 for the DC, that game was a piece of crap but it still got a great score. It\'s for that reason that you always take reviews by major sites with a grain of salt, and I hold people\'s opinions HERE in higher regard than the major sites like Gamespot, IGN, Gaming-Age etc. To say it\'s solely a Sony phenomenon is unfair, sites cater to all major companies and each company has it\'s own set of fanboys.
I also think if you want solid reviews of specific genres, especially sports and racing games you might want to look at smaller independent/non-profession sites like Sports Reviewers, SGN (yeah!), and Racing Faction whose reviewers don\'t have to kiss ass to stay in business
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Hey Tshirts, you forgot to put this at the end of your post: [/rant]
Most people who clicked on this thread want a real review, so here it is: Devil May Cry is awesome.
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I\'m still getting DMC, maybe today. What\'s up tshirts? Where have you been!?!?! Its good to see your back.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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DMC is a start of a new "Franchise" for Capcom IMO,
and we are here to experience the first title, in what i hope will be a series of great future games ! :D
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i cant wait to buy devil may cry tonight!
on another note...damn it rastalant!..whyd you change your pic again...???
the last one was funny.
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Originally posted by lestat
i cant wait to buy devil may cry tonight!
on another note...damn it rastalant!..whyd you change your pic again...???
the last one was funny.
Yes I\'m going to try to get dmc tonight. As for my pic..........oops..........you liked it? Well my new one is testament from Guilty Gear X. He\'s one of the coolest characters ever. Btw, what\'s up lestat.
Oh here\'s a pic of him........
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guiltygearx.com%2Fimages%2Fchara%2Ftesta.gif&hash=9c28c89809f6531c31b522710390d0f29328510c)
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It has gotten to the point where you don\'t need to read many of the threads. Just look at the system mentioned in the header and the poster and you know exactly what you are going to find inside. :)
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yeah i know...thats my favorite player cause he carries a scythe...
hmmmm....dmc, guilty gear....i just might pick both of those up...just a thought though...
ill prolly just get dmc.
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Originally posted by lestat
yeah i know...thats my favorite player cause he carries a scythe...
hmmmm....dmc, guilty gear....i just might pick both of those up...just a thought though...
ill prolly just get dmc.
Cool...........I have GGX I just need to get DMC now. :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Well, I honestly was looking for a DMC review, and to get a rambling rant of the fallacies of the gaming media instead? Well. I happen to agree that DMC is probably one of the most over-rated and underwhelming games I have ever played extensively, but not for the reasons you claim, exactly.
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Originally posted by mejilan
Well, I honestly was looking for a DMC review, and to get a rambling rant of the fallacies of the gaming media instead? Well. I happen to agree that DMC is probably one of the most over-rated and underwhelming games I have ever played extensively, but not for the reasons you claim, exactly.
DMC will rule. I like said everyone is entitled to there opinion. Btw, welcome to the forum mejilan I look foward with talking with you in the future.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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Originally posted by rastalant
DMC will rule. I like said everyone is entitled to there opinion. Btw, welcome to the forum mejilan I look foward with talking with you in the future.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
Thank you. To get a little off topic, I am a friend of Ryu\'s from another forum. Over the past few weeks, at his behest, I have been reading some threads here, and decided to join up. Warning - mejilan is a Nintendo fan, just not rabid, and probably more open minded than most! Nintendo and Sega have always been my bread and butter, N more than S, especially with the systems after the truly awesome Genesis. I am indifferent to the PS2 (so far), and hate Microsoft, from before the XBox even.
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Originally posted by mejilan
Thank you. To get a little off topic, I am a friend of Ryu\'s from another forum. Over the past few weeks, at his behest, I have been reading some threads here, and decided to join up. Warning - mejilan is a Nintendo fan, just not rabid, and probably more open minded than most! Nintendo and Sega have always been my bread and butter, N more than S, especially with the systems after the truly awesome Genesis. I am indifferent to the PS2 (so far), and hate Microsoft, from before the XBox even.
Like I said cool its good to have you on the forum. Well thats good that you like nintendo and sega. If thats your opinion thats cool with me. I will be getting an xbox this fall I already have a dc, ps2, and getting an xbox. So cool......:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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I\'m bored enough to shred this, pity me.
The main problem I have with the game is the exploration aspect. Here we are in our 3rd generation of 3D gaming and *yet* Capcom has not advance to the acceptable next generation standard set by Mario 64.
Mario 64 set the standard for hack and slash action\\adventure games? Hehe, you\'re funny. :)
The environments are comprise of a straight forward corridor. It *feels* 2D. Back then, the reason why programmers were restricted to such a diminutive environment was due to pre-rendered background. It was understandable because of the limitations of the PSX hardware. Now we are in the next generation. Why are we *still* restricted to *fake* exploration? You walk into a room, press the button as quickly as possible at every corner until you find something, walk to a door, press a button, run straight until you get to the next room, and repeat. See how repetitious it can get?
Straight forward corridor? There are plenty of huge areas with lots of different things to do. However, hallways are common in building architecture in order to link many rooms together into one. When four large rooms link off of one corridor, the building is realisitc. I\'m sure you have a hallway in your house, do you consider it too to be diminuitive?
Secondly, it\'s not a game of exploration. You are just trying to complete your objectives and slay the demon spawn of hell. How can anyone expect this major feat of exploration when the chief objective is to get certain rankings based on the style of your kills? The game is based on advancing through the castle and whiping out anything that moves, then powering up your weapons\\stats so you can kill even more crap. It\'s a simple formula that is pulled off nicely and for you to expect something different then what its main purpose is, is like me bashing Onimusha because it\'s not a sports game. :rolleyes:
I won\'t even get into the hack-n-slash style of gameplay that feels way too similar to the mindless, button mashing scheme of games like Final Fight and Onimusha. It involves no strategy or precision. It is mindless repetition.
No strategy? Have you even fought or beaten the first boss? You will quickly realize that just blindly slashing at him is completely futile. I mean, you compared it to Final Fight and Onimusha, two games that are completely unline Devil May Cry in so many ways. Final Fight is a beat-em-up like the Bouncer and Onimusha is a straight up adventure game like Resident Evil. To say either of those even compare gameplay wise to Devil May Cry is an insult to all three respective games.
Despite the obvious truth, this game still got unwarranted accolades and strong appraisal from the Sony crowd and various websites.
I have no doubt in my mind it is a propagandish-trend......
Consider for a moment that people just enjoy good wholesum fun gaming. If that thought still never entered your pea-brain psyche, then please for a moment consider that it\'s not a conspiracy to make people buy more games, but rather a conspiracy for all reviewers to influence people to buy certain games, read: fun, and miss stupid games, read: terrible.
These so call professional critics are influence by money. It is obvious they have other determining factors other than their own sake of gaming.
So you are saying that all the opinions here, agreeing with the website big-wigs, are just on Sony\'s pay-role? I suppose then that all good games are just really crappy ones and we\'re just kidding ourselves then. Real opinions have nothing to do with it, only money. Sounds like you\'ve been taking a boat load of focu-syn on an hourily basis.
Game consumers consists of a bunch of asinine kids who refuse to intake anything negative....
They are too arrogant to have an optimistic outlook......and everyone of them is fixated in their own lil world.
And the pot calls the kettle black. Maybe you are not being optimistic, but the rest of us are very optimistic about these games and are very happy we have purchased them.
Why do you think the most popular mags are the ones that strictly caters(PSM) to one console?
Or perhaps because it is the most popular magazine discussing the most popular platform. I think you need to calm down man, you obviously have a lot of pent up frustration.
Almost propagandish to the way Hitler controlled his regimen.....
And now I suppose for reading these articles and believing their insights, which happens to be true on more then many occasions, we are Nazis? Uh huh. *cumples up Tshirts credibility, toss is out the window*
These magazines, in order to appease the fans, says a "crap" game is great. The fanboys program it in their head through their conscious brain that relays it into their subconscious brain, and as "crappy" as the game is, it is still "good" just because they have psychologically program their thinking that way....
Actually, I felt their score of ICO was quite low for a game that good. To each their own.
They *think* Tekken is "the greatest 3D fighter ever made".....
Actually, in the latest PSM mag with Dante on the cover, they proclaimed Virtua Fighter 4 to be the best 3D fighter coming out this generation.
I can\'t believe I responded to all of this. 10% of yoru post actually discuses DMC, and only through comparative analysis, flawed analysis rather, do you actually discuss what the game brings to the proverbial table of the industry. What about the rest of your "review"? It talks about media propaganda and how we are all mindless zombies for buying into it. NEWSFLASH: We play what we like. The people who read reviews are in the vast minority of all those out there who buy games and of those people, they go by what is pretty on the back of the box. That\'s why DOA3 will sell so well and why the Dreamcast was so ignored. Enough said. Go back to where you were hiding before you posted this trash, the forum was living fine without you and it will do much better when you leave again.
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Say, you haven\'t gotten all righteous like this over at NE in a while. Haha, I missed it. I too was not very keen on the Hitler comment.
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Originally posted by rastalant
Yes I\'m going to try to get dmc tonight. As for my pic..........oops..........you liked it? Well my new one is testament from Guilty Gear X. He\'s one of the coolest characters ever. Btw, what\'s up lestat.
Oh here\'s a pic of him........
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guiltygearx.com%2Fimages%2Fchara%2Ftesta.gif&hash=9c28c89809f6531c31b522710390d0f29328510c)
that\'s a "he"?.... Wow.....:D
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Originally posted by ajoh432
that\'s a "he"?.... Wow.....:D
LOL!!!!!!!yeah kinda hard to believe ain\'t it? But testament straight though.:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Tshirts, why is it everyone thinks its great and you don\'t? I bet you didn\'t even beat the game. :rolleyes:
You are too dumb for words.
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[size=10] Someone please give him a pic! [/size]
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T-Shirts tried out his friends \'demo\' version, and obviously thought it was the full version...
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It seems to me that your reviews only show up when the PS2 gets a game so undeniably good, and with such remarkable graphics that it\'s sure to move systems.
I recall you doing the exact same thing with Twisted Metal: Black. And you also gave lame arguments to diminish the game. You know you\'re posting a load of bull**** just to incite a flamming war, why else would it be in the Console Debate Forum?
After all this is a PS2 forum, and DMC is a PS2 game.
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hmmm, could it be that every time there is an awesome game for the PS2 you have to convince yourself that it is not so?... LOL
Hey T are you an XBox fanatic?
Envy got the better of you? :D
Well how much do you pay to go see a 2hour movie? well just multiply that price by 5, and give it some replay-a-bility to a tune of 2-4, and you got what you paid for... IMO.
This game is money well spent, unless you don\'t like this genre, then you should rent this game.
To each his own...
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That was the worst review I\'ve ever read.
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T-Shirts I understand where your comming from, and I may of been the only one to fully and throughly read your thread, but it was a little decieving, I was expecting a full review. None the less I see now it was never intended to be long, you simply got stright to the point of the game, I too had the chance to play DMC over at my friends for about 8 hours, and agree on 90% of what you say about the game.
DMC is not a crappy game by any means, but it\'s not worth buying in my opinion, a good rental for a day or 2.
i\'d give the game a 70/100
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
T-Shirts I understand where your comming from, and I may of been the only one to fully and throughly read your thread, but it was a little decieving, I was expecting a full review. None the less I see now it was never intended to be long, you simply got stright to the point of the game, I too had the chance to play DMC over at my friends for about 8 hours, and agree on 90% of what you say about the game.
DMC is not a crappy game by any means, but it\'s not worth buying in my opinion, a good rental for a day or 2.
i\'d give the game a 70/100
Once again, Ogodly, comes in here with is words of wisdom:rolleyes: You haven\'t changed much, although, ah nevermind, the game is awesome, and it is worth more then a damn 70/100 score. The replay value is quite high if you actually invest some time into it. and T****s isn\'t reviewing the game, hes being a fanboy, and bashing it. Ryu pretty much layed it out for us.
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Ogodly and T-Shirts wouldn\'t know a good game if it was rabid and knawing on their ankles
The games is fun. Nothing really innovative but who the **** cares. The controls and the battles are top notch fun
but the only games that live up to some peoples expectations are the ones that are not on a Sony system, and that is the ONLY deciding factor for these biased gamers. If its on a SOny system its not allowed to be better then average
In the meantime, I\'ll just pisss my pants in laughter at the nonsense that gets spewed from the SOny haters, and again THAT IS THE ONLY REASON FOR THEIR THOUGHTS. Its painfully obvious
Especially sice you can not find a sub par review for DMC anywhere, and lots of places rank it close to perfect for the game its is
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i here alott of peoples opinion on this game and even tshirt has siome valied statments even thow he got off the subject after while godbless his soul...heres my impressions on the game...
ill rate the game from a 1 to 5 5 being best...
graphics 3 and 1/2--- 4 the boss battles really showed off some of the ps2 power...
music 3 and 1/2 --- 4 music was acually good...
level design about 4 there really wasnt any levels,areas were kind of short but once you unlocked them you can go back and forth and collect coins,if the missions were longer id given level design a 5...
ai and battles---5 wow this game is really tough every monster has some kind of routine that you need to master,the bosses are unbeatable untill you learn there moves and styles and i hear it gets even harder on the hard level...
lasting appeal---so far am about 15 hours into the game and am still aveing fun,from what i hear when you beat the game you get harder monsters right from the start so ill be going threw again because i love a good challenge...
to tshirt guy you seem to have a really low value on people and you really seem to be angry and takeing youre frustrations on us gamers which is really wrong,what i think you should do is go for a walk take a look at the world and all the beauty in it and maybe youll see that its accualy you living in youre own reality and there acually is a biger picture out there that youre not seeing...
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Devil May Cry sucking is like...*insert cool thing to say here*...it\'s ridiculous. It\'s an awesome game. I can understand if you didn\'t like it a little, but you must have spent half of your day typing that BS.
Sheesh, man. :rolleyes:
Side note: Go back and refer to ddaryl\'s post...
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Originally posted by ViVi
Tshirts, why is it everyone thinks its great and you don\'t? I bet you didn\'t even beat the game. :rolleyes:
You are too dumb for words.
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[size=10] Someone please give him a pic! [/size]
what the Trool picture for T-Shirts
i would if i could............... i would if i could..................
maybe we should give him a Dante picture with the award
WORLDS BIGGEST DMC LOVER !
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Many of guys are missing the whole point I am trying to articulate.....
What has really change in the past 5 years? Think REAL hard: Nothing!
This year you will play GT3, MGS2, and FFX.......
Next year you will play GT4, MGS3, FFXI.......
The year after that you will play GT5, MGS3, FFXII.....
You guys ridicule Shenmue.....
Little do you realize or respect its ingenuity. Games like these are the ones who revolutionize and foster the new generation. Yet you shun it. You are the same guys who ostacized VF and Wolfenstein 3D on their inception...
Without realizing if there were no VF there would be no Tekken. If there were no Wolfenstein 3D, there would be no Red Faction. If there were no Shenmue......
I am plain pissed off.....
Think about it. We see progression and flowering growth in every prospect of our society, but our videogame industry is at a grinding halt. It is static and advancement is slow and delayed.
In contrast to others....
Like the car industry for instance.....
If the PS2 is a prime example....we would still be driving a 85\', 2 cyclinder engine with low gas mileage, no air bags and such, but the car would have a nice outside sugar coating with a new model...
What I am trying to say is....
As good as these graphics look, gameplay has not progress much. The PS2\'s self reliance on rehashes is hurting the industry....
By rehashes, I mean, a recycle idea that lacks progression.
Note: A sequel does not neccessarily mean it is a rehash. For example, look at the Zelda series. Each game transcends the series to new innovative heights. Now take a look at the Tomb Raider series....that is a rehash.
Sony, in contrast to other companies, rely heavily on these rehashes. What has really change in the last 6 years? Think real hard: NOTHING!
There is no progress....zilch....nada!
This year you will play the exact same game you played 4 years ago.....and the year after that, the cycle repeats......the only difference might be 20,000 polygons....woo f*ckin wee!
It might be sugar coated with a different story, 1 or 2 more levels, new music...but it is the exact same game....
Those are rehashes and Sony breeds and exerts them.
Devil May Cry repeats the cycle. It is just another sorry rehash....
Think Sword of Berzerk in a Resident Evil environment....WOW THAT IS SO INNOVATIVE!!!!!!
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Imagine a videogame world without StreetFighter 2, Virtua Fighters, Virtua Racing, Super Mario Bros., Mario 64, Wolfenstein 3D.......
Those were revolutionary, risk-taking softwares that transcended our industry to new heights.....
Rehashes will get us nowhere, trust me.....
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Your anxieties are focused on a much too narrow conclusion.
First of all, Sony is not responsible for software rehashes. Sony merely made the hardware for companies to use and while their hardware has been proclamied as innovative and ground breaking, you target them as the deliverer of these rehashes. Ico, although only one game, was created by Sony and that game in itself is unlike any other, but please note, it is the only game Sony has made in awhile besides Okage, an RPG of sorts that has a fairly original concept.
The people you shoul dbe focusing your blame on are those of the software developers. Capcom themselves admit to being a company who can make sequels to anything and although I do admit that there is a likeness between sword of the berzerk and Devil May Cry, DMC is the game that improved upon that formula with a game that is really fun to play, albeit short and slighty drawn out.
The problem with all software in general is that of the producers like MS with OS\' or Capcom with sequels or any other company who tries to profit off a popular idea with a rehash of sorts. Creating a videogame nowadays is a very costly venture totaling well into many millions of dollars and companies require a quick sell to make up for the money spent, even if that means sticking with a brand name and producing a formula that is widely known and easy to understand at the expense of innovation.
Innovation is a rare thing in this industry and games are heading in the way of PC software where the best version available is the same one as brand C, just with less bugs or a more friendly interface. The developers are to blame for this, but since we all love games and would never turn down a chance to play a newer version no matter the slightest change, these games will be made.
So you can be mad at the consumer and you can be mad at the developer, but don\'t force all of your hatred onto Sony. All companies are guilty of it in one way or another and that\'s just a sad fact. Nintendo, a company which you approve of thanks to its Zelda franchise, is guilty of reusing characters in almost all of its large title releases in one way or another. You can hate the industry for not evolving to bring the influental games forward like they did so long ago, but with the economy and our willingness to buy rehashes, can you really even blame anyone at all? You\'re just as guilty as the rest of us for buying them anyways. :)
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You still call DMC a rehash?
What game is it a rehash of ole wise one:rolleyes: It\'s not a resident evil rehash.
Your not making any sense in your post anyway, as Ryu already stated. Come back when you can make an attempt at a review that is worth reading, not just some bash towards one of the BEST ps2 games there is. Ogodly, looks like we found your long lost twin. DMC is a brand new game, which is good, capcom needed a new franchise.
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Yo Tshirts,
the biggest reason for getting sequels to games like GT3 or MGS2 is that they sold a huge azz number of copies when they were "fresh", so the companies behind these games try to cash in on the sequels. $$$
The only reason they do em, for the most part, is because lots of kids buy em,… even if some sequels suck…
I’m waiting for DMC2 now ! ;)
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Tshirts,
Name me the X-box games that \'break the mold\' with their incredible innovation and style? Really, I\'m serious.
C\'mon now. I\'m waiting. Hmm,. la la la, waiting. For real now. Name me some. *whistles* ... Wow, so many.
The answer is a simple one. Here\'s a hint. NONE.
Though I\'m sure you\'ll come up with your own reasons why Munch and Halo are a godsend.
/ dm /
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I can\'t wait \'til MGS3...
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It\'s real hyposcrital when you say PS2 is full of rehashes while the system your supporting the most only has one innovative game.
The answer is a simple one. Here\'s a hint. NONE.
Project Ego. Where have you been?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Project Ego. Where have you been? [/B]
Well if we go by that, then The Bouncer would have been classified as an innovative game. So far, we have not seen anything that shows us that Project Ego will be all that it\'s hyped up to be. It could turn out to be another "The Bouncer." Until we see more proof, I won\'t believe it. I don\'t want to be disappointed like I was with The Bouncer.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Well if we go by that, then The Bouncer would have been classified as an innovative game. So far, we have not seen anything that shows us that Project Ego will be all that it\'s hyped up to be. It could turn out to be another "The Bouncer." Until we see more proof, I won\'t believe it. I don\'t want to be disappointed like I was with The Bouncer.
Comparing Ego to Bouncer? That\'s pretty sad. If you don\'t want to be disapointed in Ego then what\'s not stopping you from being so ****ing interested in Jak and Dexter? Or any other game for that matter? Sounds like someone has a bias.
Bouncer can\'t be classified as been innovative because it brought absolutely nothing new into the gaming. No need to elaborate here.
It\'s obvious you haven\'t read a preview of this game. Check one out at IGNXBox. Pretty much the only reason why I\'ll most likely buy the Xbox.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Comparing Ego to Bouncer? That\'s pretty sad. If you don\'t want to be disapointed in Ego then what\'s not stopping you from being so ****ing interested in Jak and Dexter? Or any other game for that matter? Sounds like someone has a bias.
Bouncer can\'t be classified as been innovative because it brought absolutely nothing new into the gaming. No need to elaborate here.
It\'s obvious you haven\'t read a preview of this game. Check one out at IGNXBox. Pretty much the only reason why I\'ll most likely buy the Xbox.
Come on Jumpman. I\'m not bashing Project Ego. I just don\'t want to be disappointed like I was with The Bouncer. You remember what The Bouncer was going to be don\'t you? The preview had guys jumping over tables and using just about any object they could find to battle with. It was amazing. But then we got the garbage named The Boucer, which was nothing like it was hyped up to be. I don\'t want to be waiting a whole year for a game only to be let down in the end. Sure, it could be an amazing game that causes millions of people to buy an Xbox (including me), but there is also a chance that it might not be.
Finish this saying: If it sounds too good to be true...
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Project Ego. Where have you been?
Right.. but I was referring to launch games. :)
/ dm /
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Ogodly and T-Shirts wouldn\'t know a good game if it was rabid and knawing on their ankles
Sounds like a scene from Pikmin.
-Eik
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Ryu, once again I am going to argue with you.
The PC market IS the place of innovation. It is only on the PC that 2 guys and a garage can produce the best game of the year (Counter Strike, Diablo started off from a tiny company, Wolfenstein, etc). Consoles require fees and budgets and publishers and permission to code whereas the PC market is open to anyone with a computer.
You speak as if the PC market is a bad place for games, and you couldn\'t be more wrong. Yeah there are bad rehashes of tired formulas (not everybody and their garage has talent), but for every Quake 3 there is a Dues Ex or Max Payne. For every CnC rehash there is a, AOE or Kohen.
The PC market now is where some of the most exciting publishers and software originate and I don\'t see that changing any time soon.
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Ah.. You misunderstand my definition of software. When I say software in terms of PC\'s, I am always thinking programs like Internet Explorer, or Outlook, or an OS, or just about any office program... yah, you get the idea. Games wise, PC\'s are great. Counter-strike would not exist without Half Life, made by Valve, a fairly big development house and even then, Half-Life may not exist in its current form, which is a modifed version of the Quake 2 engine designed by ID software, makers of Quake and Doom and Wolfenstien.
Way back in the past in the days of Atari and Qbasic, you are absolutely right, 2 guys and a pizza with an original idea would be more than enough to make a game. The hardware was terribly simplistic and all it required was a PC capable of running some simple code to test the software, but nowadays, it requires a dev kit, high end PC\'s, the latest system developer libraries, etc etc.
It takes at least ten people working around the clock to produce a game that will release in about four years that is even on par with todays standards set by jaded gamers like you and I. Development houses have grown to where the big survive and the meek are folded into the bigger companies. It\'s almost impossible for a small time developer to even begin realizing their dream of forming their own development company unless they can fund multiple millions of dollars for advertising alone.
The PC games are fine, I have no gripes with them, it\'s the software that runs on PC\'s I have a problem with and the simple fact is that games on consoles are headed the same way that software on PC\'s are headed: Towards an island of rehashes where innovation is about as innevitable as Giligan being rescued from his island.
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Ahh... so good to be back. Just felt like posting something after so many months. Nothing\'s changed I see. Tshirts still being the rabid weirdo posting threads with text that has little or no relation to the thread title (or common sense in general) and Ruy still seeming like the one with the most brain (no offence to anyone).
Tshirts, you can crawl back to whatever hole you showed up from again and wait there until one of these real "mould-breakers" surfaces again. U silly man u.
Think about this : you get a cookie cutter (let\'s say there\'s only one shape to choose from, let\'s take a man-shaped cutter), some cookie dough and a hot oven. You make a cookie. Okay, you made it, you ate it. You loved the heck out of it. But now it seems you\'re bored. You\'ve only one shape to choose from. Making any more would be just carbon-copying the original and you\'d just go through the same DELICIOUS NERVE-TICKLING experience you just had. \'Bah\', you say, for some reason, and go moping around the house for the next year, waiting for a greater, fresher, new sensation. We, the other people, with some common sense, eat cookies through the year and have fun with each other. Wondering why this one narrow-minded individual just keeps on going about some stupid grudge against cookie-makers using the almost same recipe and shape all over again. Notice "almost", for there are many variations available, even though they come from the same mould. Some have chocolate bits, other cookiemen have additional limbs or something else attached.
Back to games. While I tried out the demo of DMC I went through something that I haven\'t experienced in a long, long time. I instantly felt that the game was FUN (mmmm, lookie \'ere, seems like I found a yummy fudge-filled heart in my new \'cookie\') to play, I sincerely and immensely enjoyed hacking the living daylight out of the evil minions and was left hungry for more. That is something I always look for in a cooki.... err, game.
At least I love \'em cookies (I\'m talking about games here, too much going on about just cookies, I\'m confusing even myself... ma\', where\'s the cookie jar?), as long as there are enough of \'em for me to eat. Bring \'em on!
The most ridiculous thing is that Mr. (dirty)Tshirst acts as his opinion is the final, ultimate verdict that everyone should heed to. Not sure if it is so, but at least I get that feeling. And I don\'t like it. Go away you nasty man. Oh yeah, and I\'m in the army now and I\'ve got my very own assault rifle.
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Once again, Ogodly, comes in here with is words of wisdom
Indeed, I\'m glad i was of service to you. On a side note I just find it funny that many of the people in here that hated xbox in the begining, are also the ones planning on buying one now, LOL, I knew this was going to happen.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Indeed, I\'m glad i was of service to you. On a side note I just find it funny that many of the people in here that hated xbox in the begining, are also the ones planning on buying one now, LOL, I knew this was going to happen.
Of course you did, Ogodly. Of course you did. :rolleyes:
But you are wrong. The people who are considering getting an Xbox now are the same people who were considering it a year ago. There might be a couple newcomers to the Xbox bandwagon, but that is bound to happen with every new console coming out.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Indeed, I\'m glad i was of service to you. On a side note I just find it funny that many of the people in here that hated xbox in the begining, are also the ones planning on buying one now, LOL, I knew this was going to happen.
Your just so smart, you know everything
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Your just so smart, you know everything
Yep the truth hurts dosen\'t it
ut you are wrong. The people who are considering getting an Xbox now are the same people who were considering it a year ago.
NO, you are wrong junior, I can remember perfectly comming here 2 years ago, so I remember most of the threads on XBOX and how most people here flamed and hated it, even before MS could be given a chance. Please don\'t even try and tell me that the same people a year ago are still the same people who were always planning on getting XBOX.
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Yep the truth hurts dosen\'t it
NO, you are wrong junior, I can remember perfectly comming here 2 years ago, so I remember most of the threads on XBOX and how most people here flamed and hated it, even before MS could be given a chance. Please don\'t even try and tell me that the same people a year ago are still the same people who were always planning on getting XBOX.
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I guess your right, alot of us have changed our minds.
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I think that this game is so over-rated. I mean NOTHING is new about it. You have a guy going around a shooting things with a gun. It almost exactly like doom...geez! Plus, I think that it is important to understand that jelly belly jelly beans are neither made up of jelly or resemble bellies in the least. Then again jelly beans arent really beans. They are shaped like beans but they don\'t give you gas like beans. It would be great though if they made your farts different colors like Hitler did with his "regimen"! Anyway back to my review... this game sucks.
;)
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
NO, you are wrong junior, I can remember perfectly comming here 2 years ago, so I remember most of the threads on XBOX and how most people here flamed and hated it, even before MS could be given a chance. Please don\'t even try and tell me that the same people a year ago are still the same people who were always planning on getting XBOX.
Er, um, ok senior (what the heck?). Maybe you forgot that two years ago the only thing known about the Xbox is that is was a console made by Microsoft. Of course people were looking forward to the super-hyped PS2 more. The only reason to want an Xbox back then was because of a hatred towards Sony, Sega, and Nintendo. Now that the Xbox is looking like it has some potential, and it\'s more than just vaporware, of course we will want it more. Like I said, this is bound to happen with every new console coming out. But congratulations on "knowing this was going to happen." You should get an award or something. MM, you have some awards for him don\'t you? ;)
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Originally posted by TheOgodlyThing
Yep the truth hurts dosen\'t it
Way to be a queer
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NO, you are wrong junior, I can remember perfectly comming here 2 years ago, so I remember most of the threads on XBOX and how most people here flamed and hated it, even before MS could be given a chance. Please don\'t even try and tell me that the same people a year ago are still the same people who were always planning on getting XBOX.
Just seems that some people can grow up and stop being fanboys. A lead you would be better off following.
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short repetitve rehash
I found the exact opposite. it gets repetive n seems like rehash cuz u only do simple slashes n can\'t figure out any new ways to kill guys.