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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Bossieman on October 31, 2001, 10:49:07 AM
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Source (http://www.sportsreviewers.com/)
Newsweek has posted an article that is part review of the Xbox and part analysis of the console war. While I generally scoff at video gaming articles published in the mainstream press, this article in Newsweek makes some valid points.
And Microsoft has approached the Xbox hardware with a software mentality—emphasizing a laundry list of marketable features over judicious, timely design. The result: a game console that’s expensive to manufacture, a bulky, awkward controller that few seem to like and an underwhelming lineup of launch games.
Microsoft cannot be happy with a remark such as this appearing in a large publication.
And even though Microsoft claims that Xbox is three times more powerful than PS2, major game publishers say all three systems are in roughly the same class. “Although there are differences in graphical quality from platform to platform, there is no game that we have in development for Xbox that we can’t also make on PS2 or Gamecube,” says Activision CEO Robert Kotick.
Interesting.
Microsoft’s football game NFL Fever looks sharp and plays dull. And here’s proof that on Xbox, as with every system before, the reality never lives up to the rhetoric: all the games exhibit jagged lines and slowdown—despite the Xboys’ statements that such problems would be relics of the past. What Microsoft failed to take into account was that while it may be easier to make a game for Xbox, it isn’t easier to make a great game for Xbox than for PS2 or Gamecube. Great games take time—something that the problem-plagued development of Xbox clearly hasn’t given many game designers.
MS has certainly played the game like a rookie so far. The lack of quality exclusive titles is going to really hurt the Xbox in its first year.
If you already have a PS2, stay the course, because this Christmas’s lineup of Grand Theft Auto 3, Jak and Daxter, Metal Gear Solid 2 and Devil May Cry is unparalleled on any system
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*awaits flamewar to start* :fro:
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basically, newsweek just repeated what ive been saying all along
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I like the part about great games take time.
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I got an idea how bout i keep my ps2 and by an xbox, a wonderful idea if i do say so myself
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Tee hee hee. :)
I find it kind of funny that both Sony\'s and Microsoft\'s first party football games suck. Sega is the leader here. :) Oh, and hopefully not too many newspapers (or whatever Newsweek is) say bad stuff about the Xbox. That could be disaterous (sp?)
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Originally posted by IronFist
Tee hee hee. :)
I find it kind of funny that both Sony\'s and Microsoft\'s first party football games suck. Sega is the leader here. :) Oh, and hopefully not too many newspapers (or whatever Newsweek is) say bad stuff about the Xbox. That could be disaterous (sp?)
Actually I would say EA\'s game, madden 2002 is the leader
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Originally posted by Bozco
Actually I would say EA\'s game, madden 2002 is the leader
From what I\'ve heard, not for long...:) Anyways, I was only talking about first party football games, so Sega is the leader.
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well sega isnt first party anymore so you cant say it that way
so there :p
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Who care\'s if a game is made by a first, second or third party developer as long as it\'s good?
I think that\'s the point Bozco was trying to make, at least it\'s the point I\'m making right now :P
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I\'m with mm
And NFL Fever looks like crap up against Madden 2k
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And NFL Fever looks like crap up against Madden 2k
You talken gameplay or graphics, cause personaly i think madden comes second in that feild.
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Originally posted by Tetrad
You talken gameplay or graphics, cause personaly i think madden comes second in that feild.
Are you sure you\'re talking about the right game? I doubt you\'ve even played NFL Fever (it\'s the one coming to the Xbox. ;))
Anyways, sorry for leading this thread onto such a huge tangent. Please read the first post and make your comments on that. Lets drop the whole football debate. :)
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And News week opinions matter because.....................? And seeing how ps2 doesn\'t have a game on it\'s roster rite now that looks close to project ego. I can see where the xbox graphics over shadow the competition.
Ps2 is a good buy this year. But dc was a good buy last year and that didn\'t stop sony drones so why should xbox drones not buy there system?
And fever has way better lighting and textures than madden. Fever was a good pc football game. It was way more realistic than madden. I won\'t say which is better until I get the full experience. But no football game is as crappys as sony\'s NFL GAMEDAY.
fanboys always use double standards when it comes to there console. I bout a ps2 when it\'s line up of launch games sucked donkeys **** compared to wut sega had, but I had a dc aswell. I am buying a xbox now I got all 3.
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we all know how much Newsweek knows about games...:rolleyes:
NFL2K2 on PS2 looks better than any football game I have seen, on any console.
Eric Jacob
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Newsweek? I could have told you all that! ;)
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Originally posted by QuDDus
And News week opinions matter because.....................? And seeing how ps2 doesn\'t have a game on it\'s roster rite now that looks close to project ego. I can see where the xbox graphics over shadow the competition.
Yeah you would be 100% correct if WE LIVED IN A UNIVERSE WHERE FINAL FANTASY did not exsist :laughing: :laughing:
P.S.
is it just me or dose MM realy work for NEWSWEEK
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I have a plan.
Get a job and buy every console that comes out.
Works for me.
Ace
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Originally posted by ooseven
Yeah you would be 100% correct if WE LIVED IN A UNIVERSE WHERE FINAL FANTASY did not exsist :laughing: :laughing:
P.S.
is it just me or dose MM realy work for NEWSWEEK
Whoa. I am not putting down either title but beyond them both being in the same genre there is really no common ground to compare the two.
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Eh?
Newsweek sounds pretty fanboyish if you ask me. They don\'t know video games all that well. They are basically going by the fact that Sony has the biggest installed user base. I bet that is what they are going by. Anyways newsweek=:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by QuDDus
And News week opinions matter because.....................?
Originally posted by AlteredBeast
we all know how much Newsweek knows about games...
Originally posted by DaRkGaMeR
They don\'t know video games all that well.
This could go both ways. Sure, they might not know anything about video games, but for all we know the person writing this could be a Sony fanboy, or they could be a completely unbiased gamer. But lets say that they don\'t know anything about video games. If this was the case, then their opinion represents the casual gamer\'s opinion (AKA, most of the gaming-world\'s opinion) very well. They base their opinion of gaming systems by the games that they see and play. That is why this article means so much, and why it could be disastrous for Microsoft.
Originally posted by DaRkGaMeR
They are basically going by the fact that Sony has the biggest installed user base. I bet that is what they are going by.
I guess you forgot to read the article. Here are some key points:
The result: a game console that’s expensive to manufacture, a bulky, awkward controller that few seem to like and an underwhelming lineup of launch games.
Microsoft’s football game NFL Fever looks sharp and plays dull. And here’s proof that on Xbox, as with every system before, the reality never lives up to the rhetoric: all the games exhibit jagged lines and slowdown—despite the Xboys’ statements that such problems would be relics of the past.
The biggest thing: they were not impressed with the games on the Xbox. They were not impressed that the system that Microsoft claimed was 3 times as powerful as the PS2 only looked slightly better than what we\'ve seen on the PS2. What makes you think that they are basing their opinion on Sony\'s userbase?
Newsweek sounds pretty fanboyish if you ask me.
If they don\'t like what they see on the Xbox of course they are fanboys. There\'s no other logical explanation. :rolleyes:
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Newsweek doesn\'t like the Xbox games, or Xbox controller. Big deal, who is going to go by that? Not to many people. I read the article very briefly. That is why i said what i said. I basically read the first 3 sentences, and stopped from there. Anyways, I\'ll retract what i said about them basing the article on their hands on with the Xbox. Anyone is entitled to their own opipion. So, I\'ll take back what i said.
Btw, Ironfist, you hate me don\'t you?
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Originally posted by DaRkGaMeR
Newsweek doesn\'t like the Xbox games, or Xbox controller. Big deal, who is going to go by that? Not to many people.
If that is the only article you read about the Xbox, don\'t you think it would pursuade your dicision to ever buy an Xbox? A lot of casual gamers don\'t read every review and every magazine/newspaper article. If they only saw that one, they would immediately think the Xbox sucks (which I disagree with). Now what if other news magazines start saying the same thing? That would be very bad for the Xbox.
Btw, Ironfist, you hate me don\'t you?
Heck no. I don\'t know you near well enough to make an fair opinion about you. I don\'t like Xbox fanboys and their deluded views of the future (just like some people don\'t like my deluded views of the PS2\'s future ;)), but I don\'t think you\'re even close to being included in that group. Right now you are on neutral grounds in my mind.
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Originally posted by IronFist
If that is the only article you read about the Xbox, don\'t you think it would pursuade your dicision to ever buy an Xbox? A lot of casual gamers don\'t read every review and every magazine/newspaper article. If they only saw that one, they would immediately think the Xbox sucks (which I disagree with). Now what if other news magazines start saying the same thing? That would be very bad for the Xbox.
Heck no. I don\'t know you near well enough to make an fair opinion about you. I don\'t like Xbox fanboys and their deluded views of the future (just like some people don\'t like my deluded views of the PS2\'s future ;)), but I don\'t think you\'re even close to being included in that group. Right now you are on neutral grounds in my mind.
Whoa!
You read my mind. Yeah, I\'m pretty mucn neutral, Xbox hasn\'t really impressed me that much, although i do want to try out 3 launch titles, thats about it. I don\'t see much content on Xbox, now PS2 has plenty of content that screams must buy. Take your avatarr for example, that is one of the must buy games. I\'m not an Xbox fanboy, and i don\'t care who bashes it, or who likes it. As long as i get to play some games. :)
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Originally posted by ho3j
Whoa. I am not putting down either title but beyond them both being in the same genre there is really no common ground to compare the two.
sorry but i am a RPG :nut:
SO for me it has to come down to prefrence, Project EGO looks damn fine but FF10 (TO ME) looks better. Also i am a very big Final Fantasy fan so that just about wings it to the in FF favour.
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Originally posted by DaRkGaMeR
Newsweek doesn\'t like the Xbox games, or Xbox controller. Big deal, who is going to go by that?
Sorry to double post but ME
thats the whole idea behind owning a Console (TO PLAY GAMES on)
of corse you are correct thats their opinion and they have every right to have but this is not a totally uncommon opinion within the gaming world.
personally here are the reasons why i don\'t buy a X Box ![list=1]
- I like some of the games (HALO and Project EGO) but there are not enough to warent the purchace of a new console
- The starting price (i am speanding most of my money on PS2 games and soon ADD\'ONS)
- I want to wait a year or more to see what happens (and no i wont trade my PS2 no matter what haapens to SONY)
- Even if i buy a X box i know the ratio for purchaced games will be about 8 to 1 in Sonys Favour
- I hate the Controller FAR TO BIG AND UGLY ! and seeing that i will be using it to actually play the damn games i want it to be confortable espeaually if i use it to play Project EGO to the small houres of the morning :D!
- Finally a very Vain point (i think the Console it self is too big and but ugly) but hey ill be playing games on it and not looking at the console ! so this is a VERY very very minour point, then again it would be nice if it was the consept desinge (the big CHROME X remeber that one)
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Source (http://www.sportsreviewers.com/)
Now we know where Sony has been spending their money.
Newsweek must be really hard up for money, I wouldn\'t be suprised if they did this to avoid layoffs.
If xbox was as bad as they say in that article, then it wouldn\'t have had a better lineup for launch than what sony did.
I don\'t think newsweek are fanboys, I just think they are wearing moneyhats. Sony is paying these guys, no doubt. Sony is afraid that if people buy xbox and it has a big userbase by the end of 2002 that support for the PS2 would be lessoned and I believe this to be true, so Sony is fighting with everything they have (ie square and paying off publications).
As much of you like to pretend xbox isn\'t a big threat at all to Sony, this really validates that they are.
Its like politicians on the video game scene. Video games are getting far too political nowdays. :(
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Originally posted by ooseven
Sorry to double post but ME
thats the whole idea behind owning a Console (TO PLAY GAMES on)
of corse you are correct thats their opinion and they have every right to have but this is not a totally uncommon opinion within the gaming world.
personally here are the reasons why i don\'t buy a X Box ![list=1]
- I like some of the games (HALO and Project EGO) but there are not enough to warent the purchace of a new console
This all I want to focuse on because you say the games. Ok when ps2 launched the games where crap besides maybe TTT and SSX. bUT based on sega\'s library if you didn\'t have a dreamcast there was no reason to buy a ps2. But that didn\'t stop most of you in here. But soon as xbox launch comes arounds you want to use double standards Jeesh:rolleyes:
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Sure they did Docwiz.. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by IronFist
If that is the only article you read about the Xbox, don\'t you think it would pursuade your dicision to ever buy an Xbox? A lot of casual gamers don\'t read every review and every magazine/newspaper article. If they only saw that one, they would immediately think the Xbox sucks (which I disagree with). Now what if other news magazines start saying the same thing? That would be very bad for the Xbox.
How many gamers do you think look to news week to tell them what console to buy??? I mean if Bossie had not posted nobody would anybody have cared? I mean you saying news magazines in the first place that don\'t know what gaming is. And I think it is all bias because everyone seems to forget that ps2 launched sucked **** but because it was surrouned bye much hype nobody cared.
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This all I want to focuse on because you say the games. Ok when ps2 launched the games where crap besides maybe TTT and SSX. bUT based on sega\'s library if you didn\'t have a dreamcast there was no reason to buy a ps2. But that didn\'t stop most of you in here. But soon as xbox launch comes arounds you want to use double standards Jeesh
A lot of PSX owners were looking forward to buy the PS2, so there was no big need to buy a DC. Games like Wipeout, Gran Turismo, MGS2 and others were and still are exclusive PS2 games and therefore a lot of people (like myself) didn\'t even consider buying a Dreamcast.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
This all I want to focuse on because you say the games. Ok when ps2 launched the games where crap besides maybe TTT and SSX. bUT based on sega\'s library if you didn\'t have a dreamcast there was no reason to buy a ps2. But that didn\'t stop most of you in here. But soon as xbox launch comes arounds you want to use double standards Jeesh:rolleyes:
:rolleyes: , for one, TTT and SSX weren\'t the only two games that people liked at launch, I liked Madden 2001 and Summoner also, and you forgot one little thing, Sony had a reputation, they just had a big console so a lot of people knew PS2 was gonna be good and they went out and bought it as soon as they could, while Microsoft has no previous reputation before the xbox, now was it that hard to figure out
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"there is no game that we have in development for Xbox that we can’t also make on PS2 "
I dont beleive this, there to me is no way the ps2 could do Dead or Alive 3 with the same detail, and AA which it has in it, and i don\'t thing it could do HALO either.
What do you all think?
I am not putting the ps2 down, but that is just what i think, when i see these games.
And apart from a handful of games, there isn\'t that many PS2 games i want, probably about the same amount as i want to play for Xbox and Gamecube.
Posted by ooseven
"FAR TO BIG AND UGLY "
Look dude stop talking about me will ya!!!
No just wondered you say this about the Xbox controller, but have you played with one?
Because alot of people that have, have changed there mind about it, saying that it is a good controller.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
This all I want to focuse on because you say the games. Ok when ps2 launched the games where crap besides maybe TTT and SSX. bUT based on sega\'s library if you didn\'t have a dreamcast there was no reason to buy a ps2. But that didn\'t stop most of you in here. But soon as xbox launch comes arounds you want to use double standards Jeesh:rolleyes:
Sorry my X-BOxenophobic young wipper snapper but your totally 100% wrong
here where my reasons for getting a PS2 (I wanted to get it on the big day but i had to save cos i am poor ! :( )
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- I LOVED Playing TTT Timesplitters and SSX on my Friends PS2, i have played the X box and it fails to intest me other than EGO.
- I AM A FINAL FANTASY NUT and being able to use the same console toplay 7 to 9 and Final Fantasy 10 and online only made me want it more.
- I trust SONY more than Microsoft or Nintendo ! (Personal Reasons !) and to be honiest i have never had any problems with any of my Paystations .
- MGS2 , Gran Turismo 3 , Wipe out Fusion and others (which where shown round launch) made me want it even more
- i Didn\'t Buy a Dreamcast ! and had my fingers burned with the N64 :mad: :evil:
- STILL Don\'t give a TOSS about anything non PS2 and will be looking to Pree order a PS3 when the time comes.
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So there there Are double standards, its just that mine are higher than yours :p ;)
i now have one highly used PS2 with 2 memory cards and a total (so Far of 14 games) if i had a Full time job it would be close to 30 games so i am buying them a bit at a time, now that TOTAL dose not incluse new and up comming ones so there :p ;)
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on a lighter note
i sayed = "FAR TO BIG AND UGLY "
Ethan sayed = Look dude stop talking about me will ya!!!
Hmmm that reminds me ......
Dose anyone want to buy Picture Of ETHAN NAKED ?
:p ;)
oh yeah i have used on of those foul oversized controllers, and my poor handshave never been the same since.
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Did Newsweek even mention the GameCube?
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I dont beleive this, there to me is no way the ps2 could do Dead or Alive 3 with the same detail, and AA which it has in it, and i don\'t thing it could do HALO either.
Why not? Or better, what\'s in this game that could not be done on PS2? IMHO, DoA3 and Halo look impressive, but I\'d hardly call it something that is 3x more powerful than current consoles can do and far from something that could not be done on PS2. DoA3 looks (taking out effects, and draw distance) and it doesn\'t look much different than DoA2 (and this is just from a graphics perspective). Anyone who thinks DoA3 can\'t be done on PS2, take a look at Virtua Fighter 4.
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Reading the entire Newsweek article instead of just the negative snippets along with the added commentary really leans the bias more towards center. One aspect that kinda gets brushed aside in the mini version is this major point:
MS marketing a piece of hardware the same way they do software is a major snag the article makes clear. With their delay in getting the final product to developers they put the devs in a bind to crank out games that could really show off the list of specs MS has been pushing since last year (pushing and fiddling with, I should add). Instead of launching with the big splash we all expected the xbox entry will hardly make a ripple outside the pool of hardcore gamers and MS believers who\'ve been looking forward to it. That\'s not just IMO, the evidence is all over the place.
As bizarre as it may sound there is good reason to think xbox not being a big hit on day one is of little concern to Bill and the gang. The idea of intentionally starting off looking weaker than promised is not outside the realm of possibility. I\'ll not explain my reasoning here, just remember the longevity of the Xbox will be determined by MS, not how many units are sold in the first month/year or two. MS entered the console game for the long haul with a very practical reason that so far has escaped the attention of the general public. Having the funds to stick it out, MS will do so well past the point where, at a casual glance, giving up would seem the smart thing to do. A while back I used to think differently but MS pulling the plug on xbox within the next two or three years is just not an option.
The short of it is, if you like what you see showing on Xbox buy it and play content with the knowledge it\'ll be around long enough to be a worthwhile investment, without the needless effort of some of you Xfans rallying here for support. Quit wasting time trying to sell the idea to PS2 or GC fans here the graphics of yours is the sh!t while ours be suckin\' on hind tit. We can see what you\'re getting and there is no point, those days are over until the ‘3X more powerful\' is visible for all to take notice.
For now, save the propaganda for yo mama.
[edit:] When I say "some of you Xfans" I mean the likes of DocWiz and QuDDus but not Ethan. I should not have been so vague, sorry
Jedi, GC was metioned but along the lines of \'the millions of Nintendo fans will be getting GC no matter what and are sure to be pleased\' type of deal. Brushing it off in a positive way as not much of a factor in the whole xbox/PS2 scence. True, no?
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yes, look at VF4. It has a noticible drop in backround detail on the PS2 conversion.
There is no way, in my mind, that PS2 could do DOA3 right now. People who think that it looks like DOA2 need to get their eyes checked. Memory likes to play tricks on you. Take a comparitive look.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
yes, look at VF4. It has a noticible drop in backround detail on the PS2 conversion.
There is no way, in my mind, that PS2 could do DOA3 right now. People who think that it looks like DOA2 need to get their eyes checked. Memory likes to play tricks on you. Take a comparitive look.
Eric Jacob
Well, I do need to get my eyes checked but they do seem to work fine for seeing a TV. From what I saw running the wow factor we were seeing in those xbox screen shots just isn\'t there. Backgrounds are impressive yes, character models not so much. The comparison of the two falls apart considering we know damn well there is no way Tecmo even came close to using the PS2 fully the way it was designed to be used. Maybe it\'s true as well for the xbox at this stage but I really doubt it.
We\'ll see better how the backgrounds look in VF4 when the game is for sale. Screen to screen I would have to rate the character models in VF4 as better looking than DoA3. That\'s not very fair either so my only point left would be to say they both look great.
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Newsweek can lick my sack as far as opinions go...try out the system before you pass it up
*is the worlds biggest hypocrit as he isnt willing to try out an X-Box*
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uggh, seeing it in motion is half the point, or more. It runs more smooth, and lifelike. Kind of like VF3tb to VF4, you can see the ripples in clothing and hair flowing realistically. DOA2 just doesnt show it.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by QuDDus
How many gamers do you think look to news week to tell them what console to buy??? I mean if Bossie had not posted nobody would anybody have cared?
Adults usually don\'t read gaming magazines. They read news magazines. With Christmas coming up soon, Santa Claus needs help deciding which system to buy for his kids. An article like this could really hurt Microsoft. The "gamers" out their already know which system they want to buy, but the average person does not.
I mean you saying news magazines in the first place that don\'t know what gaming is.
Maybe you\'ve already heard this saying before, but I\'ll say it again. "News magazines don\'t write articles, people write articles." What? You haven\'t heard that before? Well now you have. Why would the people who write articles for news magazines be any different than the average shmoh(sp?).
And I think it is all bias because everyone seems to forget that ps2 launched sucked **** but because it was surrouned bye much hype nobody cared.
Hmm, speaking of bias...*cough* *cough*
I, for one, loved the PS2 launch. And I know many others who feel the same way.
This all I want to focuse on because you say the games. Ok when ps2 launched the games where crap besides maybe TTT and SSX. bUT based on sega\'s library if you didn\'t have a dreamcast there was no reason to buy a ps2. But that didn\'t stop most of you in here. But soon as xbox launch comes arounds you want to use double standards Jeesh
There is a difference between then and now. Then, most of us did not have a Dreamcast. We were waiting for a more "for sure" system instead of risking wasting our money on a Sega system.(if you think that sentence was hard to read, just imagine how hard it was to write. :) lol.) But now, we have a PS2 and tons of great games. And more great games are coming out the same time the Xbox and NGC are launching. It is an entirely different situation.
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Originally posted by Bozco
:rolleyes: , for one, TTT and SSX weren\'t the only two games that people liked at launch, I liked Madden 2001 and Summoner also, and you forgot one little thing, Sony had a reputation, they just had a big console so a lot of people knew PS2 was gonna be good and they went out and bought it as soon as they could, while Microsoft has no previous reputation before the xbox, now was it that hard to figure out
Just because you like a game that makes it a good game?geesh want a ego. I guess all those ppl out there buying gameday sure now what a real football game is jeesh:rolleyes: And I never said a ps2 was not a good buy it just was not a launch. DO YOU GET IT AT THE PS2 LAUNCH. Compared to sega\'s library there was no reason to buy a ps2 at launch. If your going to say the same thing about xbox now but it was the same situation at ps2 launch GET IT.
Originally posted by IronFistAdults usually don\'t read gaming magazines. They read news magazines. With Christmas coming up soon, Santa Claus needs help deciding which system to buy for his kids. An article like this could really hurt Microsoft. The "gamers" out their already know which system they want to buy, but the average person does not.
This is not the 20\'s,30\'s,40\'s,50\'s or 60 or so on we are two months away from the year 2002. You think a parent that is about to spend 299.99 on a video game system does not ask there kid what system they want. And how many ppl let there mom or dad choose there console?
Originally posted bye seven A lot of PSX owners were looking forward to buy the PS2, so there was no big need to buy a DC. Games like Wipeout, Gran Turismo, MGS2 and others were and still are exclusive PS2 games and therefore a lot of people (like myself) didn\'t even consider buying a Dreamcast.
Umm Like I said before I said ps2 launch. This whole topic was about not to get a xbox at launch because ps2 has a library of games. Well you may have been looking forward to those games next year. But at the time dc had the best library of games. And if your a true gamer an not some bias one console fool(OOSEVEN) then want to play good games on any console no matter what Name is on front or back on the hardware. And at that time sega had great games on it at the time ps2 launched. But ppl can\'t say don\'t buy xbox now because ps2 library is better now when it was the exact same thing last year with ps2 and dc and you guys chose ps2. Don\'t be hipocrites. PPl are going to buy xbox just like all those sony fans bought ps2 when dc had the best library.
Originally posted byeOOSEVENSorry my X-BOxenophobic young wipper snapper but your totally 100% wrong
here where my reasons for getting a PS2 (I wanted to get it on the big day but i had to save cos i am poor ! )
I LOVED Playing TTT Timesplitters and SSX on my Friends PS2, i have played the X box and it fails to intest me other than EGO.
I AM A FINAL FANTASY NUT and being able to use the same console toplay 7 to 9 and Final Fantasy 10 and online only made me want it more.
I trust SONY more than Microsoft or Nintendo ! (Personal Reasons !) and to be honiest i have never had any problems with any of my Paystations .
MGS2 , Gran Turismo 3 , Wipe out Fusion and others (which where shown round launch) made me want it even more
i Didn\'t Buy a Dreamcast ! and had my fingers burned with the N64
STILL Don\'t give a TOSS about anything non PS2 and will be looking to Pree order a PS3 when the time comes.
So there there Are double standards, its just that mine are higher than yours
i now have one highly used PS2 with 2 memory cards and a total (so Far of 14 games) if i had a Full time job it would be close to 30 games so i am buying them a bit at a time, now that TOTAL dose not incluse new and up comming ones so there
Once again you fail to make any points. Gee you like doing that huh? And your naming games that did not come out at launch I said at launch. Means besides TTT and ssx there where no other games on ps2 that you could say where worth a purchase when you look a the AAA library of games sega had at the time. You may have fun bitting your toe nails, but that does not mean that it\'s better than just clipping them.[COLOR=0033CC][/JumpMan OFF][/COLOR]
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QuDDus, yeah, let\'s compare...
PS2 weak launch vs DC vast AAA library- the majority didn\'t trust or care what sega had to offer. You may not like it or think it was fair but the fact remains, that\'s how it was. Learn to deal
now you want to compare;
PS2 weak launch vs xbox launch. Hmm... ok, I see how it goes. Whatever, let\'s just do that, as it turns out...
Same thing again all over again.
PS2 weak launch vs xbox super terrific happy launch :rolleyes: - made by a company many people don\'t trust and looking hard at the kiosks shows little difference between the two consoles.
Get the picture?
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Seeing DOA3 in motion. Ckecked it out again. Uggh, I did notice the wads of hair moving but not the clothes. Have to go check again. I also noticed how the camera bounces up and down every time a player is hit. Whats up with that? Does the game play like that? I sure hope not, it seemed very distracting to me.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
yes, look at VF4. It has a noticible drop in backround detail on the PS2 conversion.
There is no way, in my mind, that PS2 could do DOA3 right now. People who think that it looks like DOA2 need to get their eyes checked. Memory likes to play tricks on you. Take a comparitive look.
Eric Jacob
Where do you get your sources from? Because accoarding to mine, the PS2 version is more or less identical to the arcade one. Or in other words "arcade-perfect". I won\'t compare screens, but I have seen videos of the PS2 version being played and it looks damn good. I can\'t see that drop in background detail there (all videos have bad quality).. ?!
But for now, I think VF4 already looks heaps more impressive than DoA3 ever did.
Originally posted by QuDDus
Just because you like a game that makes it a good game?geesh want a ego. I guess all those ppl out there buying gameday sure now what a real football game is jeesh And I never said a ps2 was not a good buy it just was not a launch. DO YOU GET IT AT THE PS2 LAUNCH. Compared to sega\'s library there was no reason to buy a ps2 at launch. If your going to say the same thing about xbox now but it was the same situation at ps2 launch GET IT.
Once again you fail to make any points. Gee you like doing that huh? And your naming games that did not come out at launch I said at launch. Means besides TTT and ssx there where no other games on ps2 that you could say where worth a purchase when you look a the AAA library of games sega had at the time. You may have fun bitting your toe nails, but that does not mean that it\'s better than just clipping them.
Let me get this straight: it\'s not okay for IronFist to say that they were other good games at launch (boy, what a ego, huh?), but it\'s okay for you to say that besides TTT and SSX there were no other games worth purchasing? Go read some reviews. I for one was very pleased with the PS2\'s launch (and I bought 4 games at launch) and so were many others.
As IronFist already pointed out: Sony had a reputation. What kind of a reputation does Microsoft have? None as console manufacturer, not to mention the other image they have. But why do you compare the PS2\'s launch with the one Microsoft is yet to face this month? They were completely different, and if you like it or not, Sony didn\'t need a "perfect" launch. Microsoft sure does nid something better than just good if they want to stay in this market, because these negative articles are sure making things worse for them. BTW: Sony had the reputation, the performance, the games (and exclusives) to stack up against the DC. And time showed, it was more than enough to be where they are now with PS2: right on target to become the most succesful console in history.
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For the record;
I don\'t think the US PS2 launch was weak at all and used the idea it was for the sake of the argument since I thought what QuDDus was trying to say was frail enough already. Considering the stores couldn\'t keep PS2s in stock for almost six months after launch, I feel the weakness of the lineup isn\'t worth much debate, despite how strongly some individuals might feel it failed to measure up. Also, the ‘weak launch\' issue is made by totally ignoring backwards compatibility, a feature adding an extra shot of confidence that paying the launch price would be money well spent.
If anyone wants to argue PS2 launch graphics were the problem then they might have a point. The thing is though PS2 only needed to kick PSX ass at launch, not DC, a luxury the xbox does not have.