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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: RichG on December 11, 2001, 03:20:33 AM
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This isn\'t a piracy thread!
Basically they are sending out letters to these devlopers saying legal action will be taken if they sell these chips... or something along of the times.
Neo Tech, Chan Tech have closed for the time being and Origa are even watching the situation closely.
Baiscally this makes me angry. :mad:
I know they can be used for piracy. However thats up to the person themselves. I want a mod chip to PLAY ORIGINAL IMPORTS. I\'ve had my PS2 for a year and the solution is here and Sony is stamping all over it.
Mod chips don\'t just play illegal copies...
They play backups, original imports, multiregion DVD, remove screen screen etc etc. All legal modifcations.
The fact that Sony are stopping these chips with there coorperate power is bad news!
It means that we will have to continue to suffer their crap, greenscreen, locked out region DVD player, games arriving in 50Hz mode 6 months later than the Americans.
Anyway nuff said.
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Sony have every right to do what their doing. They built the hardware, they put the Copyright on everything, they did everything legally to protect themselves so they deffinately can do whatever the hell the want.
More power to them I say.
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What Racer said.. They can do what they want. If they feel they are losing revenue due to the illegal piracy stuff, they should do something about it. I would if I were them.
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Yeah, u have a point, sony can do what they want. If i\'d made a console as good as the PS2, i wouldnt want people changing it around.
But then again, Rich, u got a point mate, i wanted one for imports aswell, i mean, if i had one, i could be playin mgs2 right now. Anyways, i have not heard of anywhere that can copy games on DVD cos its so expensive to do at the moment, i noticed that DVDrs are between £15 and £20 each, so it seems a bit riddiculous to me.
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They play backups, original imports, multiregion DVD, remove screen screen etc etc. All legal modifcations.
Exactly. None of the above is allowed. Under no circumstance are you even supposed to make a backup of one of your games. It doesn\'t matter if you own it, any kind of duplication is illegal.
Nor are we supposed to play DVDs/games from another region, I know it\'s upsetting to you, but Sony is doing the right thing. Bottom line is this,
M0dchips = Piracy.
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It would be great if we had the option to play imported PS2 games on our Pal machines,
take for example PsXChange for the PS1.. it allows the ps1 to play imported software.. i\'m hopefull that
some developer out there will release a PS2 import cd which will allow playing of imported software but lock out
backup versions of software.. it\'s possible
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rich, you fail to realize that sony DOES NOT want you to play original imports
for obvious reasons, territorial lockouts exist
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Racer / Serrano: When you purchase a PS2 it is your PS2. You can throw it down the stairs, open it and solder things to it etc.
You can do what you smegging like with the console which is your property as you own it. There is a newish law which goes along the lines of hardware can\'t be altered for illegal purposes but its very sketchy.
Datamage: You are wrong mate. Well least in England one backup is allowed per copy of the game. So if I say got GT3 I would be legally allowed to own one backup. Again DVD multiregion is not illegal of it was there wouldn\'t be this nice product known as DVD Region X which is on sale in high street shops such as HMV.
MM: Of course they exist. They don\'t exist for any logical reason other than to line Sony\'s pockets. They want the power to release games in different countries at different times for their own marketing reasons.
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Sorry guys... but SONY doesn´t have the right to do anything they want as long as I don´t harm their copyright ! I bought me a PS2 and I have the right to do with it what I want !!!
If I buy a new car and the company forces me with a chip or something to drive only 100mph, than it is MY chioce to rip out that chip and drive as fast as I wish... I´m not allowed to sell this car as my invention, but I can sell the knowledge on how to rip that chip off... got my point ?! :D
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Just my two cents but why should I not be allowed to play an import original Japanese game that will never see daylight in the US or any other region? SCEA never losses a dime because it is never released in the US. If anything Sony as a whole gains $$$ as they have an extra sale of software that would otherwise never be sold.
Anyway just my thoughts
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I support Sony any action they take against companies like Bleem and Mod chip developers
Sony has every right to protect there interests.
anyway this is a debateable topic so in debate it goes
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Originally posted by dragonluv
Just my two cents but why should I not be allowed to play an import original Japanese game that will never see daylight in the US or any other region? SCEA never losses a dime because it is never released in the US. If anything Sony as a whole gains $$$ as they have an extra sale of software that would otherwise never be sold.
Anyway just my thoughts
well ok if you want to play imports that badly then go about it legally and buy an imported ps2
see problem solved without *******
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UGH, DEATH TO BLEEM!
That\'s the only thing the Dreamcast has going for it :laughing:
And let\'s not forget these emulators that are out...
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That\'s the only thing the Dreamcast has going for it
gr0an
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I am against territorial lockouts. They only exist to inflate price between the regions.
I am a Renegade
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Originally posted by RichG
Racer / Serrano: When you purchase a PS2 it is your PS2. You can throw it down the stairs, open it and solder things to it etc.
You can do what you smegging like with the console which is your property as you own it. There is a newish law which goes along the lines of hardware can\'t be altered for illegal purposes but its very sketchy.
You have a point.. But remember, there are certain limits. By installing a m0d chip, you would be able to do illegal things.
A perfect example of this would be a car. Say you buy a shiny new Honda Civic. You think it\'s a slow ass mofo, so you "m0d" the hell out of it.. You have everything you need to make it do what you want to do. But then again, there are some laws saying that you can\'t have this certain thing on it, etc. because it\'s not street legal. So what can you do with it? Nothing. Leave it in your garage and drive it at 3am in the morning so hopefully no cops will notice. :laughing:
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Um, am I kinda out of the loop here, or am I right in thinking that 90% of the things you can do with a mod chip can also be done on a GameShark Or Xploder? At least in the DC and PSX\'s case, I know you can use these cheat devices to override territorial lockouts and play backups and such. Sure it\'s a pain in the azz to keep switching disks, but it still works right?
I never mod my consoles so this whole debate really dosen\'t affect me in any way, but I have to agree with RichG. Even tho the mass majority of people WOULD use it for pirating, it is YOUR private property once you lay down that 300 bucks for it. You should be able to do whatever the fukk you want with it.
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Some of you are trying to argue this as if Sony is coming after you for moding your console. Do you honestly believe Sony is not within their rights to go after the chip makers? Get real
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And if I buy a gun I want to shoot people!
I mean, its my own gun. I own it.. :D
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Get real people, there are LAWS on this planet. There are certain rights, i.e. cars need to fullfill certain aspects to be street legal. If it is not, these laws can permit the car maker from selling this car.
It\'s the same with the MOD chips: while Sony might not go after you for "editing" your PS2, they have every right to go after people who cell MOD-Chips if it\'s against their copyright laws or whatever. And unfortunately, MOD-Chips are generally used for pirating. You might not use it in that purpose, but enough do to give Sony a good reason for putting an end to it.
BTW: Sony did enable or official speaking "let some backdoor" in the Japanese version of the PS2 to play all region DVD-Videos. The result was that Sony got into big trouble with the movie industry in America for that.
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Originally posted by seven
It\'s the same with the MOD chips: while Sony might not go after you for "editing" your PS2, they have every right to go after people who cell MOD-Chips if it\'s against their copyright laws or whatever. And unfortunately, MOD-Chips are generally used for pirating. You might not use it in that purpose, but enough do to give Sony a good reason for putting an end to it.
Yes, if it\'s against their copyright laws. However since when did a ******* go against copyright laws. Its a chip! The user may use it to play copies but thats the user going against Sony\'s copyright laws not the chip.
The only way your statement would be true is if the code borrowed from coding inside the PS2 but thats never happened in any chip.
So *******s may be used for piracy, infact they may mainly be used for piracy but that has nothing to do with the chip developers who develop a chip for playing import originals.