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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: rastalant on December 14, 2001, 05:32:56 PM
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http://xboxaddict.com/
It seems there is a large posse of PS2 fans out there that are intent to believe that Sony is worth about the same as Microsoft. Where the hell did they get that? I decided to do a little bit of investigating and found out exactly how much Microsoft and Sony are worth. This is as of December 11,2001.
Sony= $43,147,050,000
Microsoft= $362,568,959,280
Microsoft is as of today $319,421,909,280 dollars richer, roughly worth about 8.5 times more than Sony.
Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now thats is some money!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Yeah too right. Its a big difference.
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Boy are you a fool
You are joking right, ??? You are going to embarass yourself on this one if you truly believe what you posted
go here to the fortune 500 website
http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=list.jhtml&list_frag=list_global500.jhtml&list=19
now look at Sony who is #30 on the 500 is
http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?co_id=1246&channel=list.jhtml&list_frag=survey_results.jhtml&list=19&_DARGS=%2Ffragments%2Ffrg_list_company_ranking.jhtml.8_A&_DAV=list.jhtml
Rank: 30
Previous Year Rank: 30
Country: Japan
Employees: 181,800
Revenues
$ millions: 66,158.4
% change from 1999: 10.2
Profits
$ millions: 151.5
% change from 1999: -86.2
Assets
$ millions: 62,465.6
Stockholders\' Equity
$ millions: 18,476.9
Now here\'s MS at #201
http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?co_id=879&channel=list.jhtml&list_frag=survey_results.jhtml&list=19&_DARGS=%2Ffragments%2Ffrg_list_company_ranking.jhtml.8_A&_DAV=list.jhtml
Rank: 201
Previous Year Rank: 216
Country: U.S.
Employees: 39,100
Revenues
$ millions: 22,956.0
% change from 1999: 16.3
Profits
$ millions: 9,421.0
% change from 1999: 21.0
Assets
$ millions: 52,150.0
Stockholders\' Equity
$ millions: 41,368.0
Now notice that Sony does lead in Revenues and Assets each by a significant margin, and SOny employees quite a bit more people then MS
MS leads in profits which of course can be partially attributed to MS\'s manopoly of software to a point and the fact that the bill on box hasn\'t come due quite yet. On the other hand Sony has built 2 full modernized semi-conductor plants in Japan to support the PS2 at a cost in the 10\'s of Billions that are set up to produce tons of future semi conductors for Sony
Sony also has taken a bit of a beating on the tech side of things like all tech stocks have but by far SOny is worth quite a bit more then MS in the form of Assets and Revenues.
but by the above information located on the Global 500 list and 1 billion times more accurate then anything you will get off of a fanboy forums. Sony is significantly larger and worth more then MS
now Raslant the question now is are you man enough to go baclk to those Xbox forums and speak the truth to them ????
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oops............I didn\'t realize that. But where did xboxaddict get there numbers from I doubt they just made them up or something?
You don\'t really need to quote an entire long post for a response. It makes the thread really long and it gets annoying scrolling through the same post twice. Edit the quote if you want, but please don\'t quote the whole message if your response is a sentence in length. Try just placing the person\'s screename who you are talking to in bold. That will get their attention and you will still convey the same response. -Ryu
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his name is Xboxaddict
What do you think ?????
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That\'s why you always look for a source on a fan-made website. Anyone can make up numbers, but fortune500 is what the real stuff is about. Stockholders, investors, all these people need to know where the company is going and thus all of their profits and losses are made public by the day. Fortune500 keeps track of all of that, especially since Sony and MS both have big stock values. X-boxaddict... well... How many articles from them would you really trust for stock advice? Just food for thought.
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wow, ddaryl!
have a nanner on me!
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rastalant, what is your user name at xboxaddict.com?
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Sony is a HUUUGE conglomerate. I think the Xbox fanboys just picked one of Sony\'s many company and used that number as comparison. If you wanna take compare, ya gotta take the whole thing. Sony is the bigger of the two and has deeper pockets.
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To Watchdog:
Remember 2 weeks ago in this (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16268&highlight=Sony+is+worth+more+than+Microsoft) thread when I said, "Actually, Sony has more money that Microsoft does (last time I checked at least). But Microsoft still has enough to keep the Xbox alive nomatter how unsuccessful it could be." And you replied, "MS is a much bigger and wealthier company than Sony. Someone posted the figures here a little while ago. The point is moot though because both companies have enough cash to last." Well well well, look who was right. ;)
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Now either Watchdog will never post in this thread or he won\'t admit hes wrong
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Bozco you\'re an idiot.
Well I was wrong, but my point wasn\'t that anyway--I was saying that neither company is going to run out of money anytime soon:
"The point is moot though because both companies have enough cash to last."
I read something on these forums that no one here discredited and thought it was true. Is this supposed to be an enormous embarassment for me?
These are also revenues, not company worth--is there a difference? I\'m not sure.
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LOL.. :laughing:
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This is from 1997:
http://www.skyrme.com/ppt/access/sld008.htm
Gates himself is worth 58.7 billion--that\'s after the tech crash too:
http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2001/0622ellison.html
Don\'t know about the reliability of this page but is say Microsft is worth (that being the key word): "$336,399,000,000. (That\'s $336.4 Billion.)"
http://web.quuxuum.org/~evan/bgnw.html
This link places Microsoft the 4th biggest/richest company. This is from when MS was in legal trouble too (no mention of Sony):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_700000/700899.stm
This one from 1999 says MS is worth 450 billion:
http://www.canoe.ca/MoneyMicrosoft/nov9_msoftvalue.html
I don\'t have time to look up Sony stuff right now, butI\'m sure someone here will.
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Rastalant has the name Rastalnat over at teamxbox, I have now clue what his name is over at xboxaddictive..
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Originally posted by ddaryl
his name is Xboxaddict
What do you think ?????
No thats the name of the website.
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Originally posted by pstwo
rastalant, what is your user name at xboxaddict.com?
I haven\'t even posted on that forum. What makes you think that I post there.:)
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Originally posted by Bozco
Now either Watchdog will never post in this thread or he won\'t admit hes wrong
Come on Bozco. Watchdog isn\'t like that. 1. He doesn\'t back down from a debate. And 2. He isn\'t afraid to admit he was wrong if he is proven wrong. Nobody can be right all the time. :)
Anyways, I was just kidding around (notice the little wink (;)) after the "well well well, look who was right?") I didn\'t mean anything by it. I don\'t even know if this proves that Sony is a bigger company. Sure, Sony got a lot more money in revenues that year ($66,158,400 compared to Microsoft\'s $22,956,000), but does that mean they are a bigger company finacially than Microsoft? I don\'t know. I think we need some real numbers of how much Sony is worth.
Watchdog, from those sites you posted, Microsoft is worth between 350 to 400 billion dollars. Now does anyone know where some real Sony numbers are?
*IronFist goes searching for the Sony statistics*
EDIT: from looking around, I think that Sony is worth only around 50 billion dollars. I haven\'t found anything official or anything, so I\'ll keep looking. But if that\'s true, wow, Microsoft blows Sony away! :)
EDIT: Ok, I found this info on Quicken.com:
Microsoft: $363,215,219
Sony: $42,433,037
It looks like there is more truth to that http://xboxaddict.com/ article than some of us want to believe. Sony made 3 times more money than Microsoft did last year (which is understandable due to the slumping computer industry), but Microsoft still has 8 times as much money as Sony does.
Oh, and and Watchdog, well well well, look who was wrong. ;)
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I really don\'t care and I wou;d have let the argument go but bozco goaded me into it. oh well, I guess youa re right, I don\'t back down from a fight. :)
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That was an asshole comment by me, disregard it Watchdog
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No hard feeling Bozco.
Hey Iron Fist--there is NOTHING wrong with gloating every now and again--it\'ll keep all of us on our toes so long as it is in good fun, and I knew it was. :)
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Hey so I was right two weeks ago in the last post. :)
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Boy are you a fool
You are joking right, ??? You are going to embarass yourself on this one if you truly believe what you posted
go here to the fortune 500 website
[url]truth to them ????
I think your both embarrassing yourselves because ddarly that is a yearly rank. So that means how much money sony and MS maid that year.
You still fail to show what is both companys Total net worth. And that is what the topic was about TOTAL NET Worth. Which none of us on this forum no. What is sonys total net worth and what is ms total net worth. But I mean it really does not care both companys have more than enough money to survive 20 console generation and not make a single dime.
But nobody has proved anything the question still stands.
Microsoft Operating systems is on 85% of the worlds computers. Sony makes a lot of electronic gagets.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
You still fail to show what is both companys Total net worth. And that is what the topic was about TOTAL NET Worth. Which none of us on this forum no. What is sonys total net worth and what is ms total net worth.
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But nobody has proved anything the question still stands.
Those numbers rastalant and I posted are the companies total net worth. I got my data from Quicken.com -- a well known and well respected stock market/financial site. Microsoft has 8 times the money of Sony. This debate is over.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Those numbers rastalant and I posted are the companies total net worth. I got my data from Quicken.com -- a well known and well respected stock market/financial site. Microsoft has 8 times the money of Sony. This debate is over.
Oh i never looked at your numbers my fault. I was only disputing ddarlys info. But great detective work I never would have believe xbox addict wow.
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I Cant believe you guys are arguing over this Bill gates himself is one of the Richest men in the world..
Sony sells more products then MicroSoft.. but all in all MS has alot more money then Sony .. ALOT..
The only competitor with MS would be Dell comp.