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Virtua Fighter 4 Update
Published: 27/12 Written by: Takada
PlayStationCenter caught up with Sega AM2 over the Christmas period, and aside from wishing us and our readers a very Happy Chrimbo, they took the opportunity to talk of their plans for the console - specifically Virtua Fighter 4, and what they think of the competition.
The company stated that they have had very few problems with the apparently \'hard to develop for\' PlayStation 2, and they are now finding new techniques which will make their future titles really shine.
They also couldn\'t resist a crafty side swipe at Dead or Alive 2 makers Tecmo, saying, "We have no idea why Nakamura (Tecmo President Jinji Nakamura) said that Dead or Alive 3 could not appear on the PlayStation 2. The hardware is certainly powerful enough to handle the title, as you will see from Virtua Fighter 4.
Nakamura of course stated a while back, "Under the current market conditions, we rank the PlayStation 2 as the most important platform for us, then Gamecube, and lastly Xbox. For Microsoft, it all comes down to how many developers they can win over, and that remains to be seen."
Another apparent bee in Sega\'s bonnet was Namco\'s Tekken 4, and they took the opportunity to state, "Tekken 4 may be an improvement over Tekken Tag Tournament, but we are still slightly disappointed in the coin-op end result."
Is Sega simply telling it how it is, or are they opening a war of words with their rivals? They explained, "There is room for all three titles on the PlayStation 2 should they all appear, but we are quite sure that for fighting purists, you will not look any further than Virtua Fighter 4."
The battle commences in Japan at the end of January when VF4 releases. Don\'t miss it.
Note: If this is written in poor English, it is down to my translation. - Takada.
http://www.playstationcenter.com...anguage=en
He stated since ps2 did vf4 they could do doa3. Its obivious that sega hasn\'t played seen or played doa3 yet. Cause doa3 graphics even stomp on vf4. I mean I still say the ps2 could not produce a perfect port of doa3. I just don\'t see that happen. Whats your thoughts on this???:fro:
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I dont believe there is any game that cannot be done on the PS2. Might not look as good or play as well as other platforms can do it but I dont see the PS2 unable to do any game out there now.
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Whats your thoughts on this???
VirtuaFighter4 Rulzzzzzz ! :D
Joking aside...both are beautiful...but I prefer the more realistic look of VF...the textures of the skin are incredible...
Sega knows how to program the PS2...in a word...Sega is God !:fro:
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Originally posted by jiggs
I dont believe there is any game that cannot be done on the PS2. Might not look as good or play as well as other platforms can do it but I dont see the PS2 unable to do any game out there now.
I agree but temco is talking about 100% perfect port of the game which I don\'t see happening.
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Originally posted by rastalant
He stated since ps2 did vf4 they could do doa3. Its obivious that sega hasn\'t played seen or played doa3 yet. Cause doa3 graphics even stomp on vf4. I mean I still say the ps2 could not produce a perfect port of doa3. I just don\'t see that happen. Whats your thoughts on this???:fro:
DOA3 stomp on VF4 ?
i don\'t think so
VF is one of pure class and highly technical game play where skill wins over mindless button bashing any day, from its earily days right up to the new instalment this series is steeped in .
DOA is one of Bouncing boobies, Sexisim towards women and brain dead button bashing .
i am sorry but all this VF Vs DOA is crap
its like compairing a fine wine to a bottle of cheap tonic
Vintage and Gameplay wins ANY DAY !
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Virtua Fighter 4 is simply gonna be the best fighting game out there. Tekken fans will finally have a change of heart when they try it out on PS2.
Simply put, VF1 through VF3 - the gameplay play took you to deeper waters. No button masher can challenge a grand master of any VF series.
I am thankful though, that this is coming out on PS2! Coz if it was on Xbox, I\'d say the odds are that Xbox would DEFINITELY catch on in Japan. VF is the Final Fantasy of fighting games.
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rastalant - I\'m sick of your "DOA2 graphics rule all" crap... IT CAN BE DONE ON PS2! And if they did make a port of it.... You wouldn\'t notice to much of a difference... As we all know, ps2 is a "learning machine" and developers are learning new ways to improve graphics on it... If Tecmo actually learned some of these tips they could make it look almost exactly the same as the Xbox version..
Of course there still would be some things that would look a little worse...... But how can anyone pay this close to details.....
And the most important thing about video games.... GAMEPLAY OVER GRAPHICS...... And VF4 wins in that...
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I would like to hear more about this..
SEGA is after all a 3rd party multiconsole developer..
And now they are sweet-talking PS2 more than ever..
E3 2002 will be very interesting.. indeed.
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Originally posted by ajoh432
rastalant - I\'m sick of your "DOA2 graphics rule all" crap... IT CAN BE DONE ON PS2! And if they did make a port of it.... You wouldn\'t notice to much of a difference... As we all know, ps2 is a "learning machine" and developers are learning new ways to improve graphics on it... If Tecmo actually learned some of these tips they could make it look almost exactly the same as the Xbox version..
Of course there still would be some things that would look a little worse...... But how can anyone pay this close to details.....
And the most important thing about video games.... GAMEPLAY OVER GRAPHICS...... And VF4 wins in that...
Gee thats why the dc version of doa2 looks better than the ps2 version. After two chances on it.(japanese version and usa hardcore). Sorry I own a ps2, dc, xbox, I haven\'t seen any ps2 game graphics that look good as doa3. I mean it outclasses everything I\'ve seen on ps2 so far. Its first generation software and vf4 is 2nd generetion software and even that doesn\'t approach the beauty of doa3. If you played it you would understand what I\'m saying. I\'m not saying ps2 doesn\'t have awesome graphics as well(FFX, dmc, gt3, mgs2). Plus xbox is a textures and polygon monsters as well. We all know the story about ps2 textures don\'t we?
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I probably could list a handful of PS2 games that impress me as much as DOA3, but I don\'t have the technical knowledge to respect the proper games for graphics, nor could I argue in favor of the games I do respect in that area.
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Originally posted by rastalant
Gee thats why the dc version of doa2 looks better than the ps2 version. After two chances on it.(japanese version and usa hardcore). Sorry I own a ps2, dc, xbox, I haven\'t seen any ps2 game graphics that look good as doa3. I mean it outclasses everything I\'ve seen on ps2 so far. Its first generation software and vf4 is 2nd generetion software and even that doesn\'t approach the beauty of doa3. If you played it you would understand what I\'m saying. I\'m not saying ps2 doesn\'t have awesome graphics as well(FFX, dmc, gt3, mgs2). Plus xbox is a textures and polygon monsters as well. We all know the story about ps2 textures don\'t we?
well umm if people know how to stream the textues correctly you dont have that problem do you
look at FFX - these graphics can be done - i mean sure the texture quality might not be as great but the difference isnt that great
think about it Xbox is not using all its power off the bat - and PS2 isnt but say half as powerful id say - so DOA3 is very do able if they dev takes their time
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There\'s no solid evidence that DOA3 could be done on PS2 or not. Because we haven\'t seen DOA3 put on PS2. And even if they put it on PS2, who\'s to say they\'ll spend a significant amount of time on graphics? Meh.
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Graphics do make a difference and everything is not all about power. Its all about speed and memory. I do in no certain understanding believe we have seen everything the X-Box or the PS2 can do just wait until a game comes out that has been in development for two to three and a half years. Does anyone know if VF4 is a PS2 exclusive?
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yea VF4 is Exclusive to PS2
at least for now thats what sega said
the only reason i believe DOA3 will end up on PS2 is because of the samething they did and said with DOA2 on DC
and also if they are planning DOA4 they would likely like to hype the sequel with a rerelease on PS2 and also Xbox if they update it enough
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rastalant:
Its obivious that sega hasn\'t played seen or played doa3 yet. Cause doa3 graphics even stomp on vf4. I mean I still say the ps2 could not produce a perfect port of doa3. I just don\'t see that happen.
I find it ironic that you say Sega hasn\'t seen or played DOA3 yet, then you say DOA3 graphics stomp on VF4 PS2 graphics when you haven\'t even seen or played VF4 PS2. I\'m not saying that I believe AM2 completely (they could be pulling a "DOA3" by hyping up their game way more than they should be), but I\'m not going to judge the graphics or discredit AM2 until I have actually played the game. Who knows Rastalant, in one month, you might be eating those words.
GmanJoe:
Virtua Fighter 4 is simply gonna be the best fighting game out there. Tekken fans will finally have a change of heart when they try it out on PS2.
I\'m not so sure about this. Sure, I, a hardcore Tekken player, am counting down the days until VF4 is released. But the steep learning curve might be more than most Tekken fans are willing to deal with. I don\'t know how hard it is to pick up because I haven\'t played it very much, but from what I\'ve heard, it is pretty hard.
Simply put, VF1 through VF3 - the gameplay play took you to deeper waters. No button masher can challenge a grand master of any VF series.
That can be said about every fighting game. DOA, Tekken, SC, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Super Smash Bros, etc, are all like that. If it wasn\'t like that, then what\'s the point of even practicing and learning new moves?
I would like to hear more about this..
SEGA is after all a 3rd party multiconsole developer..
And now they are sweet-talking PS2 more than ever..
E3 2002 will be very interesting.. indeed.
But would they be sweet talking the PS2 as much if its userbase wasn\'t this big? I doubt it. IMO, their main interest in the PS2 is the userbase. If that was gone, their nice comments about the PS2 would be too.
Rastalant:
Gee thats why the dc version of doa2 looks better than the ps2 version. After two chances on it.(japanese version and usa hardcore).
You can\'t be serious. I thought this debate was settled last year when DOA2:HC came out, but I guess you missed it. DOA2:HC is graphically superior to DOA2 on the Dreamcast. If you want to have another debate about this, we can. But I don\'t think it really has to do with this thread.
Its first generation software and vf4 is 2nd generetion software and even that doesn\'t approach the beauty of doa3.
Again, what are you basing this on? The handful of VF4 PS2 screenshots? The limited movies of the far-from-complete version of the game?
We all know the story about ps2 textures don\'t we?
Obviously not all of us do. The PS2 is fine with textures when it\'s used correctly. Naughty Dog said the PS2 is capable of around 45 MB of textures at once -- only 15 less than the Xbox. (They actually said more than that, around 55-60 MB, but I think some of the memory they claimed the PS2 had was just BS). Yes, it\'s a lot harder to tap the power of the PS2 than it is to tap the power of the Xbox, but it seems as though Sega is catching on quite nicely (maybe they\'re used to programming for complicated consoles because of the Saturn? ;))
Remember when the PS2 only had 4 MB of texture? Boy how the times have changed. ;)
There\'s no solid evidence that DOA3 could be done on PS2 or not. Because we haven\'t seen DOA3 put on PS2. And even if they put it on PS2, who\'s to say they\'ll spend a significant amount of time on graphics? Meh.
Exactly. Chances are, we will never get a fair comparison of DOA3 Xbox vs DOA3 PS2, and even if we did, it probably wouldn\'t look as good as the Xbox version because for all we know, the developers won\'t put nearly as much work into it as they did with the Xbox version. The best way to compare graphical capabilities right now is between DOA3 and the upcoming VF4 on the PS2. VF4 might or might not look as good technically. We will just have to wait and see.
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Originally posted by IronFist
But would they be sweet talking the PS2 as much if its userbase wasn\'t this big? I doubt it. IMO, their main interest in the PS2 is the userbase. If that was gone, their nice comments about the PS2 would be too
Maybe, maybe not.. But thats not the case now.. So Im happy. :fro:
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Gee thats why the dc version of doa2 looks better than the ps2 version.
Sorry Rasta, that\'s not quite true. If you wish for me to tell you why the PS2 one looks better, I will. Otherwise I won\'t even bother.
I have yet to see VF4 in person, so I can\'t comment on Sega\'s words. But if anything, I will trust SEGA more so than anyone on here, or that idiot from Tecmo anyday.
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My friend has the DC version of DOA. I have DOA:Hard Core for PS2. We both know that the PS2 looks better. He has the fancy shmancy Sony VVega TV.
BTW, it\'s pronounced as Veh-ga. The shmuck who made the logo for VVega decided to give the letter V double vision so it looks like a W. And that\'s the useless facts of the day, fellas.
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I think that DOA3 could be done on PS2 also, but at what cost? It would be a watered down version at best and who would want to see that? I know I wouldn\'t. The graphics would suffer the most, the levels would be smaller and perhaps even the gameplay wouldn\'t be up to par, compared to the original. I think it would be the Max Payne syndrome all over again.
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really, if doa3 came out on ps2 with grafix better than doa2:hc and grafix not as good as doa3 with some tasty extras that deepened the game, i think it would be a pretty good title. But we all know that its too late and that tecmo would be better off starting development on doa4, ( i mean i dont think that i would get a game that came out a year or more after because tecmo started development after they finished the first version). w/e
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There\'s no solid evidence that DOA3 could be done on PS2 or not. Because we haven\'t seen DOA3 put on PS2. And even if they put it on PS2, who\'s to say they\'ll spend a significant amount of time on graphics? Meh.
No matter how much tiime they spend on it. The game still would not look as good as the xbox version because there is a hardware difference between the two systems.
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d0a3 could be done on ps2 sure. But it would look like crap and not even be worth the attempt to make it. If it\'s can\'t be done at it\'s best don\'t even bother to put it on ps2 and it can\'t be done at it\'s best on ps2. That just the advantage of better hardware.
But vf4 looks like a beast. Tekken 4 looks better than vf4 to me. I think sega is just trying to get in good with sony because doa3 is still the best look fighter to date.
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Maybe its hype. Maybe its not. I don\'t really care, because unlike DOA, VF4 excells in gameplay , requiring skill and practice. Yes, some games actually require you to plan your actions and know what you\'re doing, instead of mashing the buttons to a victory. Then again, I forgot DOA players don\'t even use the controller most the time, they just stare at the pretty \'bouncy things\' on the TV.
;)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Maybe its hype. Maybe its not. I don\'t really care, because unlike DOA, VF4 excells in gameplay , requiring skill and practice. Yes, some games actually require you to plan your actions and know what you\'re doing, instead of mashing the buttons to a victory. Then again, I forgot DOA players don\'t even use the controller most the time, they just stare at the pretty \'bouncy things\' on the TV.
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DOA3 does take skill to play I actually took time out to master the game unlike most people that just bash it cause its on xbox. Yes doa3 is the most beautiful game ever made........
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Originally posted by rastalant
DOA3 does take skill to play I actually took time out to master the game unlike most people that just bash it cause its on xbox. Yes doa3 is the most beautiful game ever made........
Skill? Master it? I mastered DOA2 in 10 mins! I\'m pretty damn good...:D
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Originally posted by ajoh432
Skill? Master it? I mastered DOA2 in 10 mins! I\'m pretty damn good...:D
lol!!!!!! You must be good!!!!!:)
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Originally posted by rastalant
lol!!!!!! You must be good!!!!!:)
You know it.
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Originally posted by ajoh432
You know it.
:) :) :)
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Soul Calibur is the best. There\'s nothing beats having beating up people with sticks!!!
btw, I know FFX and GT3 CANNOT be done on the XBOX because it\'ll NEVER be done on the XBOX! Just like DOA3...great argument eh?
as for DOA2, the PS2 version is NOT inferior to the DC version.
The DC version has sharper graphics and less jaggies ? yes. but the PS2 version has significantly superior light sourcing and looks much more realistic.
As for MaxPayne...it\'s a PC port...and it\'ll never fit into the architecture of the PS2 unless redesigned from scratch but a perfect port on the XBOX coz the XBox is a PIII PC with a GForce4 MX GPU, gettit?
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Originally posted by rastalant
DOA3 does take skill to play I actually took time out to master the game unlike most people that just bash it cause its on xbox. Yes doa3 is the most beautiful game ever made........
Bah, DOA3 is crap. It\'s pretty like a butterfly, I\'ll give you that, it\'s very nice, but the gameplay is very limited and there\'s no real "mastery" in the gameplay, it\'s all "mash mash mash". And it\'s very likely that it could in fact be done on the PS2, although the textures probably wouldn\'t be as elaborate as the XBox due to the limited amount of memory Sony chose to use in the PS2. I think we will eventually see DOA3 on the PS2, just as we saw DOA2 on the PS2. There\'s money to be made by it, so why would they not do it? They released it as an XBox "killer app", and that\'s over now, so they may as well port it to the PS2 now.
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If anyone can do it, its definitely Sega.
And Capcom...
Just witness their efforts on the Saturn.
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Originally posted by Krakn3Dfx
Bah, DOA3 is crap. It\'s pretty like a butterfly, I\'ll give you that, it\'s very nice, but the gameplay is very limited and there\'s no real "mastery" in the gameplay, it\'s all "mash mash mash". And it\'s very likely that it could in fact be done on the PS2, although the textures probably wouldn\'t be as elaborate as the XBox due to the limited amount of memory Sony chose to use in the PS2. I think we will eventually see DOA3 on the PS2, just as we saw DOA2 on the PS2. There\'s money to be made by it, so why would they not do it? They released it as an XBox "killer app", and that\'s over now, so they may as well port it to the PS2 now.
Okay since doa3 could be ported to ps2 almost exactly as you would say. Name one ps2 game that looks as good as doa3? As for the doa3 I think its xbox only. Why? The producers of team ninja stated in an intereview if he couldn\'t get doa3 exact on ps2 or gamecube he wouldn\'t port. The game was made for xbox as well so both console would have a really hard time porting it.
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Originally posted by rastalant
Okay since doa3 could be ported to ps2 almost exactly as you would say. Name one ps2 game that looks as good as doa3?
Name one game that has been released on the PS2 within the last 2 months that only shows up to 3 characters on screen at once...
VF4 will be the game to compare with DOA3. No other game on the PS2 right now would be fair to compare because the last great looking 3d Fighting games were released a whole year ago -- TTT and DOA2:HC. Just wait a couple months for VF4 then you can compare all you want.
As for the doa3 I think its xbox only. Why? The producers of team ninja stated in an intereview if he couldn\'t get doa3 exact on ps2 or gamecube he wouldn\'t port.
He also said that he maxed the PS2 out with DOA2:HC. And he said that DOA2 was a Dreamcast exclusive. And he said DOA3 would blow all other 3D fighting games away. Team Ninja is not a credible source. (Which is very sad considering they are the developers).
The game was made for xbox as well so both console would have a really hard time porting it.
Which is why they would have to completely redo it to take advantage of the PS2 or NGC. The point of this thread isn\'t, "will Tecmo make DOA3 on the PS2?" It\'s "Can DOA3 be done on the PS2?" The only answer I can give to that is wait and see.
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Get real people, tecmo is deep in Bill gates paycheck. Bill want exclusive badly and give them an unresistable deal even if it means losing money for MS.
Tecmo probably has some kinda "guaranteed" deal whereby they\'ll make this $XXX dollars regardless whether their next few games sell or not as long as it looks good and they continue to become the front-end for MS hype machine.
It\'s a win-win situation for both MS and Tecmo.
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